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That Warren Buffett - what a guy. When he came out and praised Wells Fargo for how it conducted business AFTER it was criticized for its targeting of minorities I realized what a facade his image is.
http://thecollegeinvestor.com/3655/warren-buffett-loves-wells-fargo/
Wells Fargo Deliberately Pushed Dangerous Loans On Blacks, Hispanics: Lawsuit
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/wells-fargo-loans-lawsuit_n_6261356.html
Omaha, Neb.-based Berkshire Hathaway remains Wells Fargo's largest institutional shareholder. The company considers Wells Fargo to be one of its "Big Four" investments. The others are American Express, IBM and Coca-Cola Co.
The four companies possess excellent businesses and are run by managers who are both talented and shareholder-oriented, the letter to shareholders says.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/banking/bank-watch-blog/article11653628.html#storylink=cpy
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)'Cause we've spent the last three months serenaded with "bernie sucks because a supporter of his said something in twitter!"
Difference being, of course, "random guy on twitter" lacks the massive influence that "top ten campaign donor and international bank" weilds over a campaign.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Did they make sure to quantify the various geniuneness levels with the focus groups, so that each particular piece of the new improved candidate's integrity-laden spontaneity had been carefully crafted and vetted before being deliberately presented in a controlled setting?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But maybe you missed the part about her not being the nominee, yet.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That the American people care about, instead of meaningless, endlessly focus group-tested pablum.
Instead of imagining that millennials are too stupid to understand what 10 billion dollars being thrown at the failed drug war really implies, and are going to be swayed by someone dancing the nae nae on Ellen.
See kids, she's 'hip'! She's 'with it'!
They still have "laugh-in"? She should appear on that show. I hear it's in color, even, now.
But the question still remains, if shes so damn inevitable, why is it so important to hang out in GDP arguing with bernie people and martin people and undecided people? Primary-wise You guys have it in the bag, right?
You should be sipping mint juleps and saving your strength, one would think.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Someday maybe millenials will elect a socialist, but not for a few decades.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I remember when it told us that nominating a war hero in 2004 was the way to go, because no one would be able to attack a genuine war hero on his war hero-ness. And he voted for the Iraq invasion, truly the smart thing to do, because "security moms".
Yes, always better to nominate the smart choice. Cant lose, there. Would have been pure craziness to nominate someone who could have argued against Bush from a position of moral clarity on Iraq.
And 2008, when the infalliable conventional wisdom told us it was INSANITY to nominate a one term african american senator with a funny name.
Millenials are all still riding around the yard in their cozy coupes and diapers, anyway. Its not like they're reaching voting age.
And there's not that many of them, anyway.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)He was a star from the 2004 convention, and it was obvious he had what it took. The big hurdle was the primary.
This time there's no Obama. It's Clinton or the GOP. Maybe Biden if Clinton falters badly, but the Clintons have been through scandals before, I don't the email thing is going to take her down.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)As far as being obvious a candidate "has what it takes", objectively it's pretty friggin hard to argue HRC has been displaying anything remotely resembling that, lately.
The simple fact of the matter is, she has the Clinton name, but she doesnt have her husband's political chops. But she does have his playbook of equivocation and triangulation and avoiding taking clear and principled stands on potentially contentious issues even when the polls say otherwise (sometimes known as "leadership" .. It's not ridiculous, and it's not "Clinton-hate", to go back 10 years and ask who this person is- the person who gave speeches about ''the foundation of marriage is a man and a woman", whose legislative priorities included shit like outlawing flag burning.
You want to get into personal history, sure- i stood with 60,000 other people at the Daley Center in Chicago, 23 years ago next month, to see Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Tipper Gore, and... Hillary Clinton. The electricity, the energy, the enthusiasm, was palpable. Maybe we wanted a pony, we wanted unicorns, we definitely wanted real change.
and I LIKED Hillary Clinton. Shit, I still do, but maybe not as much.
You know who is generating that kind of enthusiasm, those kind of crowds, now? Bernie Sanders.
Still, I suspect you're right- odds are at least decent that Hillary will be the nominee. Which is one reason why I think it's imperative that she do a better job than the craptastic campaign she's run so far.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Neither does Bernie, though. He's got enthusiasm because he's throwing red meat to the base. Single payer, free college, etc. It's the Ron Paul kind of enthusiasm, not the Obama enthusiasm.
And pretending that the "socialist" label is suddenly going to lose its sting because of Bernie's magnetic personality is plain denial. So is pretending that the Dems can win without raising a ton of money, something that Hillary is probably the only one capable of, maybe Biden.
I also wish we had a better campaign-trail candidate, some kind of Obama version 2. But we don't. What we have is Hillary. It's too bad her campaign has been mired in the email stuff, but the good thing is that it's happening now and not a year from now.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)To try to support the "smart" candidate for the general, was a fool's errand.
So Im gonna support the one I want to support. And im still, actually undecided, but probably leaning toward Sanders right now.
Between Hillary and Biden I would go with Hillary. Biden's history as an architect of the worst aspects of the drug war is a real problem and vastly out of step not just with where I am, but an increasing majority of the country is. i respect the man, feel sympathy for his loss, think he's done a fine job as veep... But to get anything more than my grudging support in 2016 he would really need to address that.
Looking forward our party needs to expand its bench, Hillary or no.
The only other thing is, again, what you're saying about Sanders and "socialist" - maybe you're right, but ... maybe not.
I think the extent to which the conventional wisdom may need to be rewritten, is still in flux with this cycle. Certainly in the GOP the conventional wisdom had said Jebby and Walker would be battling it out for the relatively secure and staid nomination by now.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)running the country. At this point I don't really care which Democrat it is -- within reason, but Hillary, Biden, Sanders, and O'Malley all make the cut.
And to me Hillary, despite all her flaws, of which there are plenty, is the most likely to beat the GOP.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)So if she's the nominee, that's her.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)eom
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)eom
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)This is some serious LIV crap.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Proof that anything bad in the news can be attached to and/or blamed on Hillary Clinton.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:05 PM - Edit history (1)
What Warren Buffett Loves about Wells Fargo
Wells Fargo Deliberately Pushed Dangerous Loans On Blacks, Hispanics: Lawsuit - so I feel save in saying they target Blacks and Hispanics. There has been a lot of articles written about this.
Warren Buffet is praising Bernie Sanders, but still backing Clinton
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/r-billionaire-buffett-praises-socialist-sanders-but-sticks-with-clinton-2015-9#ixzz3lGXPi7Dv
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)twice, and that was not the headline on any of them. Maybe I'm not seeing well this morning.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)What Warren Buffett Loves about Wells Fargo
http://thecollegeinvestor.com/3655/warren-buffett-loves-wells-fargo/
Wells Fargo Deliberately Pushed Dangerous Loans On Blacks, Hispanics: Lawsuit - so I feel save in saying they target Blacks and Hispanics. There has been a lot of articles written about this.
Warren Buffet is praising Bernie Sanders, but still backing Clinton
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/r-billionaire-buffett-praises-socialist-sanders-but-sticks-with-clinton-2015-9#ixzz3lGXPi7Dv
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Done.
kacekwl
(7,013 posts)but this kind of shit is dumb.
still_one
(92,061 posts)by associations", and in my view, that would build the case on DU for Bernie far better than this, but it is election season, that is to be expected
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,909 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)Your observation here is dead on, thank you. Anyone who thinks that this is peripheral is not paying attention. Warren Buffet is the kind of shyster/snake in the grass that Democrats should deride as such and return any and all contributions from him.
Thank You for bringing this forward.
Cheers,
Agony