Big-Name Plan Bs for Democrats Concerned About Hillary Clinton

[Purveyor]

If Hillary Rodham Clinton’s new apology for her private email server fails to reassure jittery supporters, it could amplify the chatter among some Democrats who have been casting about for a potential white knight to rescue the party from a beleaguered Clinton candidacy.

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., Secretary of State John Kerry, Senator Elizabeth Warren, former Vice President Al Gore: Each has been discussed among party officials in recent weeks as an alternative to Mrs. Clinton if she does not regain her once-dominant standing in the 2016 presidential field and instead remains mired in the long-running email controversy, with its attendant investigations.

On Monday, Mr. Biden, who has spoken publicly of pondering a run, looked very much like a candidate at a Pittsburgh union gathering and Labor Day parade. And some Democrats were intrigued by word that Mr. Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee, had met recently in Nantucket, Mass., with David M. Rubenstein, a billionaire co-founder of the Carlyle Group — and the sort of Washington wise man Mr. Kerry might consult if he were mulling another run. (Friends say he isn’t.)

It is not just Mrs. Clinton’s weakness in the polls that has generated talk of other alternatives, but also the strength of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who is routinely drawing huge crowds at campaign events. That has been disconcerting to Democratic officials who believe that Mr. Sanders, a socialist, is so liberal that his presence at the top of the party’s ticket in 2016 would be disastrous.

“If party leaders see a scenario next winter where Bernie Sanders has a real chance at the Democratic nomination, I think there’s no question that leaders will reach out to Vice President Biden or Secretary of State Kerry or even Gore about entering the primaries,” said Garnet F. Coleman, a Texas state lawmaker and Democratic national committeeman.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/10/us/politics/big-name-plan-bs-for-democrats-concerned-about-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

[antigop]

1. just shows how out of touch the party officials are

Bernie is "so liberal that his presence at the top of the party’s ticket in 2016 would be disastrous."


The officials really are tone deaf and out of touch.

[peacebird]

2. No, they know who they are beholden to. The 1% donors, NOT the American Middle class.

All the more reason we NEED Bernie!

[antigop]

4. I meant they are out of touch with the 99%. Sorry if that wasn't clear. nt

[PowerToThePeople]

3. I do not think they are out of touch.

I think they are Oligarchs and/or henchmen of the oligarchs.

They do not want anyone like Bernie. Ever.

That is why we, the average citizens of this nation, need him.

[antigop]

7. "out of touch" with the 99% is what I meant. nt

[PowerToThePeople]

8. In my mind

"out of touch" means that you likely agree with the other, but there are misunderstandings that lead to communication issues.

In the case of the current powers that be, they are actively working against the public (99%) for their own self interests. They are not on our side. They will kill us, starve us, and make us homeless if it is to their financial benefit.

[antigop]

11. Definition #2 below

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Out+of+Touch

out of touch
1. Unaware of the latest developments, as in current events or an area of interest.
2. Unable to appreciate or understand the concerns or difficulties of others.
3. Unable to be contacted, as by telephone or e-mail: I will be out of touch during my flight to Los Angeles.

They are "out of touch" with the concerns/difficulties of the 99%.

[PowerToThePeople]

15. They are not unable

They just don't give a shit.

[antigop]

19. I think they are unable to understand the concerns and difficulties of the 99%.

They are so used to listening to and catering to the 1% that they are unable to understand the concerns and difficulties of the 99%.

[reddread]

13. they know what they want and couldnt care less about us

[Mnpaul]

20. Disastrous to their campaign contributions

That is their real concern

[antigop]

5. This is what happens when you play the "inevitability" game and it turns out that your chosen

one may not be so "inevitable".

[KoKo]

9. ....!

[left-of-center2012]

12. "one may not be so "inevitable"

Please refresh my memory.
Didn't the "inevitable" lose in 2008?

[elleng]

18. They often do,

as Martin O'Malley has said: "History is full of times when the inevitable frontrunner

is inevitable right up until he or she is no longer inevitable."

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-29/martin-o-malley-takes-aim-at-hillary-clinton-s-crown-

[wyldwolf]

6. I suppose Bernie is plan C.

[Armstead]

14. For some he's Plan Z

God forbid anyone should mention the uncomfortable truth that America is controlled by a handful of Corporate Monopolists and Oligarchs.

Shhhhhhhh.

[SouthernProgressive]

10. She is the front runner in almost every way.

Her closest competitor hasn't even announced. Polls across the country have her standing very well. Well respected people in progressive circles are endorsing her daily. She is raising more money from every sector than her rivals. She is holding excellent events talking about the issues of the day. Yet is referred to as beleaguered.

[Dems to Win]

16. Party leaders are going to tell younger voters to go to hell?

That should help in November....

If party leaders actually cry for Biden to save the party from Bernie, as the final paragraph of your clip states, it will almost certainly doom the Democrats chance for victory in November.

Look what Nancy Pelosi just said:

Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, said she had followed Sanders down the West Coast during her travels around the country amid the August recess. The enthusiasm for the Democratic candidate’s message was remarkable, she said, especially among young people.
“I was going right down that trail and it was just amazing to see,” Pelosi told reporters from her office in the Capitol. “Parents would come to me and say, ‘I’m for Hillary, I’m for this one, I’m for that one, [but] my kids are all for Bernie Sanders.’

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/253167-pelosi-praises-bernie-sanders

President Obama won (twice!) with enthusiastic support from young people. If Dem leaders embark on a 'Stop Bernie' effort, they will alienate young people and virtually guarantee defeat in November, imho.

[elleng]

17. Gonna grovel around for 'big names,'

or support an experienced leader? Get your heads together, Democrats! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281