“I will not hesitate to take military action” Do we really want a President like this?

[cherokeeprogressive]

Do we REALLY want someone who's predisposed to war talk even no need for war exists?

I'm actually glad Ms. Clinton got that out in the open so early in the game. Would that it becomes a debate issue.

[msongs]

1. you didn't vote for all options on the table obama then? nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

2. All options on the table is fucking LIGHT YEARS away from "I won't hesitate"

[Bubzer]

47. +1

I'd rather have a president who makes war the option of last resort... not something that could be a knee-jerk reaction.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

3. No. I don't want a President like this.

I don't understand peoples' support of Hillary Clinton. I'm just not on that page, and I never will be.

[elleng]

4. More discussion of this on Lawrence show,

and I'm glad it's out in the open now.

and p.s. Michael Steele got it perfectly right, and imagined her addressing repug candidate.

[liberal from boston]

65. Iran Nuclear Deal

Also watched Lawrence's segment last night. I was upset & disappointed at Hillary's response to the Iran Nuclear Deal. I did appreciate Steve Clemons response to Hillary.

[sabrina 1]

5. No, that is the last thing we want or need.

[brush]

6. And she vows to cozy up to Netanyahu and his apartheid, warmongering policies

She lost my vote with this.

The country doesn't need a a Democratic neocon and more wars.

She actually said she'll have a more "muscular foreign policy."

My God! That's a direct shot at President Obama, the one who's gotten us out of two wars and negotiated a historic nuclear treaty with Iran using DIPLOMACY not more war.

I'm done with this saber rattling, repug/neocon-style foreign policy, and from a Dem no less.

Ridiculous, as if she's running against Obama so she disses his foreign policy (which has been great, as has his incredibly consequential presidency). Diss the republicans, Hillary.

Backhandedly criticizing a sitting president in her own party? WTF? Disgraceful.

[Garrett78]

7. No, but it's not like this is news.

Ever heard of Beacon Global Strategies? Well, Clinton certainly has.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beacon_Global_Strategies_LLC

And I'll post this once again: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/29052-five-reasons-no-progressive-should-support-hillary-clinton

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. And one of the founders is a longtime Clinton advisor.

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

[Garrett78]

20. Most of the founders have ties to Clinton, in fact.

And so-called 'defense' contractors have made massive "donations" to Clinton over the years.

But it's just her being a pragmatist, right?

[SonderWoman]

8. We have that President now.

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. LOL.

You go girl!

[SonderWoman]

12. Seems to be working out pretty well.

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. Tell that to refugees from Syria and Libya.

Don't forget to toss in "We came, we saw, he died".

[SonderWoman]

19. Obama is doing his best to manage a global crisis.

[lonestarnot]

41. Bushitler and shootemintheface nostradumass destabilized the entire middle east. Now we have

fucking reporters (a giant woman) kicking 5 year olds as they try to get out of Syria. Mr. President has done a good job of keeping us from blowing what remains of the treasury.

[jfern]

15. Nope, this is a clear difference from Obama

Hillary Rodham Clinton — who has spent much of her campaign embracing the policies of President Obama — signaled clear disagreement with her former boss Wednesday in key areas of foreign policy, suggesting in some cases that he has been too hesitant.

Again and again, Clinton pointed to instances overseas where she would have taken a tougher stance than Obama, from arming Syrian rebels to confronting an expansionist Russia. In some cases, she was talking about policy debates she lost while serving as Obama’s first-term secretary of state, or about advice she suggested was not heeded.

The critique, delivered as part of a Washington speech focused on the Iran nuclear deal, was in many respects subtle — wrapped inside overall praise for Obama and never targeting him directly. But the differences were nonetheless striking for a candidate who has worked carefully to soften her hawkish national security reputation and who badly needs Obama’s liberal coalition of voters to gain the White House.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-a-break-with-obama-clinton-lays-out-tougher-worldview/2015/09/09/be77b058-570f-11e5-abe9-27d53f250b11_story.html

[SonderWoman]

17. More spin from WaPo. Watch her speech for yourself.

[Bubzer]

49. The saber rattling needs to end... not be perpetuated. We had enough of it with Bush Jr.

I don't want another "Bring it on" statement... or to see our country continue feeding lives and money to the industrial war-profiteer-machine.

[reddread]

9. Hell no.

[jfern]

13. I will not hesitate to never vote for her

[Bubzer]

50. Better yet; I will not hesitate to vote for Bernie!

[Juicy_Bellows]

14. I don't.

It sure seems like there are some people here that love them some hypocrisy though. Whatever she says or does is A-OK!

[WillyT]

18. No...

& Rec !!!

[CharlotteVale]

21. She is really starting to creep me out.

[moobu2]

23. Bernie really really creeps me out

He's an egotistical, rigidly ideological, uncompromising, hypocritical nobody that hasn't gotten crap accomplished in the 20+ years since he's been in Washington but some easy vet stuff since he has a guilt complex about refusing to serve his country when called on and letting someone else go in his place. He isn't even a Democrat either.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. One of the better run-on sentences I've ever read.

Still wrong though.

[reddread]

28. and hilarious

somewhat.
more sad, perhaps.

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. I tried to read that sentence out loud on a single breath...

almost passed out.

[lonestarnot]

43. Gotta have some hot air to do that

w/o passing out.

[Gloria]

27. His answer is....drones and we know

how well they have worked out, killing innocents and making us look like crap. He has no coherent experience at all...

Do you think he wouldn't defend Israel?

Personally, I'm no fan of current Israeli policies...but every candidate will say they support Israel If Sanders were elected, he would, too

[CharlotteVale]

30. You left out pinko commie.

[restorefreedom]

32. lol. nt

[beam me up scottie]

37. !

[mindwalker_i]

39. "He isn't even a democrat either"

It's becoming painfully clear that "being a democrat" refers specifically to having a circled "D" next to one's name. I want politicians who actually support the actions that will make this country better, and I don't care whether they have a "D", "I", or fucking satan next to their name. Voting just for party is the easy, brainless way to go and leaves one open to manipulation.

It's like when someone says, "He's a Christian, so he has to be a good person," regardless of the record of molesting children.

[Bubzer]

60. Ahem... pinko commie, volvo driving, latte sipper.

[adigal]

74. Please...the latte MUST be soy. nt

[Bubzer]

75. lol

[bvf]

62. Ran out of internet. n/t

[lonestarnot]

42. Bwaaa ahahaha. Nervous much?

[Bubzer]

58. I find it strange that you consider 354 peices of legislation not getting crap accomplished.

For that matter, Bernie's record is stellar. Odd that you'd choose to attack him where he's strongest. You make a number of interesting claims... have you any articles/links to support your position?

[Scootaloo]

59. Massage it, try to get the rest out. Then put an ice pack so the swelling will go down

[hifiguy]

70. To quote the great physicist Wolfgang Pauli,

you're not even wrong.

[Trajan]

79. Thanks for that

Now you are gone ...

[frylock]

31. Did you listen to the speech? Ominous, hushed tones..

it reminded me of Cheney. Creepy as hell.

[CharlotteVale]

38. I know what you mean. It goes beyond mere pandering.

[Gloria]

22. Obama has said if the Iranians screwed around he would prevent

nukes by using everything at his
disposal.

So, this a continuation of policy...
And, tough as nails vs Republicans is compunded by the "woman thing."

She is tough, but it's sanctions that got them to the negotiating table. Sending a message to Iran is part of the picture.
Let's see how the conversation develops over the other layers of policy that are out there...and there are many facets to ME policy.
Each area is in different diplomatic situation...

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. Yeah. Note the difference in the wording maybe?

[frylock]

33. And she needed to send that message because Obama's wasn't muscular enough?

[Travis_0004]

26. I support an ex walmart board member who supported the iraq war?

I didnt know you were a republican?

No Im voting for Hilary!

[restorefreedom]

34. hillary is w 2.0

and yeah, i went there.

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Ouch.

By the way, what's the ETA on the roll-out of Laugh-Track Hillary?

[restorefreedom]

36. l.o.l. nt

[SoapBox]

40. No.

Period.

[Autumn]

45. I want a President who WILL hesitate to take military action. I have never said this and I have

always voted for the Democratic nominee. Always. In this case I will make an exemption. I will not vote for her if she is the nominee. So I join the hated crowd who has said they will not vote for her.

[Gloria]

51. So, you assume every policy will be like Iran policy...

That is ridiculous. Iran's case is unique, every situation will be different.
Look at all the different responses Obama has had to different conflicts.

Really, get a grip...

[Autumn]

54. You get a grip... I want a President who WILL hesitate to use military force.

Only a fool will not hesitate to go to war. War should always be a last resort. Obama has different responses, Hillary's responses seem to always lean to war.

[Gloria]

55. oh please...Mr Peace Prize learned fast about

using military force...you assume Clinton will act the same way in each situation which is nonsense.

[Autumn]

57. The wheels on the bus go round and round eom

[LeftOfWest]

72. That's it Gloria?

"get a grip"?

okay n/t.

[tularetom]

46. If you listened closely to that speech you could hear the sound of Obama going under the bus

I think she's actually insane. She wants to go back to Cheney type policies.

That speech was fucking eerie.

[Gloria]

53. No, see above response

You have no idea what Obama would feel compelled do...he will be out of office, but he's laid down hid markers.
Mr. Peace Prize hasn't be shy about using the military because reality sets in....

[Bonobo]

48. No, we do not.

We have a clear choice.

A candidate primed and pumped and pre-cocked to go to war, or one who would do so under truly only the most extreme circumstances.

Make your choice.

[passiveporcupine]

52. This is her tough act that I've always hated.

An intelligent and strong woman does not need to act like a testosterone fueled teenager to show she can rule the country. She needs empathy, compassion, intelligence, wisdom, and the strength to do the right thing, which is usually the hardest thing to do. Going to war is one of the easiest and most shallow things to do.

[certainot]

56. get fucking real. it's a show and they all have to say that

---look around.

look at the last 2 decades of politics and rw domination of media and messaging and explain to me why saying "if we are attacked i will have to think about using military force" would win an election in this rw radio dominated country---- and that's the left's fault all around for giving rw radio a free speech free ride.

[Hoyt]

61. I want someone who can convince the 5% or so of folks who might vote for Democrats

unless they fear for our security. We might not be like that, but that 5% will make the difference in Democrats winning Prez and maybe more. I think Clinton spoke wisely at this time.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. I don't. Sending people to kill and be killed should give anyone pause.

In fact it should give them a need to ponder death, get a lot of other opinions, look for alternatives, and question their conscience.

Violence should be a very distant last resort.

[silenttigersong]

64. Primary Posturing

Distancing herself from Obama,appeasing the neocons,reassuring her Aipac donors.I found her little gem distrust but verify( a Reagan spin) something she may have thought to be creative wordplay -shallow.

[Autumn]

66. Today is another day. My answer is still fuck no, I want a President who WILL hesitate

to go to war. War should always be a last resort and a leader should hesitate to wage war that wastes lives costs the tax payer.

[cherokeeprogressive]

67. Concur.

[KoKo]

68. ....!

[hifiguy]

71. No.

Hell no!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

73. Thought experiment:

If somebody ran for President saying that they WOULD hesitate to take military action, do you think that he/she would be electable? It's political rhetoric and she, more than any of the other candidates, has to prove that she's "tough enough" for the job. There is the audience to consider as well. Just because she said this doesn't mean that she's going to launch a war against Iran on day one like, say, Scott Walker. Doesn't even guarantee that she's going to launch a war on anybody period. It's stupid that our leaders feel like they have to say such blustery stuff and pander while running for office but it's just a fact of political life, especially when it comes to Democrats, whom are routinely smeared by Republican wingnuts and pundits as "weak on defense" (even though they aren't really, just smarter about it). NONE of the (serious) Democratic candidates are going to come out and say that military options against anybody is "off the table", which is certainly not the same as saying that they are going to bomb everybody either. Even progressive champion Bernie Sanders has stated that he supports the ongoing use of drones. Barack Obama made similar statements about Iran in 2008 and look where we are now.

[mvd]

76. Well hopefully only as a last resort

As Sanders has said. Many say this same line, but my fear is she will be more hawkish than President Obama, especially on Iran. It's a very sensitive situation there.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

77. Not now - Almost got me...

[HassleCat]

78. Looking for a transcript

Does anyone know where can find a complete transcript? I can download the video of her speech, but I don't want to spend over an hour watching it. My understanding is she threw Obama under the bus a little bit, and got very chickenhawk-neocon with her rhetoric.