2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumwhy so much anger, hyperbole and antisocial behavior towards Democrats
from alleged Hillary supporters?
their repetitive tactics seem misguided.
is there something else at work?
I cant for a second think they are so short on sense that they would become their own worst enemy
by mistake. Surely they wish to engender support for her?
Do they simply hate liberals that much?
makes no sense to me, and its sad to see others attacked and misrepresented over and over.
like something less than high school in terms of maturity and forethought.
Not that Id advise them to do anything different except brace for defeat and maybe a historic
failure.
I lean underdog, but Im not switching.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Especially matters of
Economics
War
Domestic Surveillance
So they attack, smear, make things up, throw stink bombs, etc
Eventually she has to start talking about issues. the Democratic party has lost control of the direction the electorate is going, and this is how they choose to react to it.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)... I'll give you five from Bernie supporters.
Go.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)about half as bad as HRC supporters.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)Go.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)mind you, I think calling out posters is against the rules here.
However, I have seen only policy differences driving the criticism of
candidate Clinton. Not attacks upon her supporters.
On the other hand, I see no policy discussion beyond the fearful prodding
of financial/wealth interests by seeming surrogates who primarily lay their complaints
at the feet of voters interested in Bernie's approach, rather than Bernie himself.
This is a very interesting tactic, and will deserve much examination after the fact.
Its sad to see what poor calculations can be made in service to ultimate failure, but presumably in
pursuit of victory.
we are on the brink of some serious history in the near future.
and I feel sorry for Hillary Clinton.
she deserves better.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)I'm sure you have tons of examples.
But you'll try to weasil out by quibbling over the definitions of your charges from the OP and who 'goes first.' LOL.
reddread
(6,896 posts)and go fish somewhere else.
this is not about DU or individual posters/posts.
it is about a particular strategy/tactic that could only
come from a very interesting perspective.
I hope it is eventually fully understood.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)DU is not a place you will find those
LeftOfWest
(482 posts)okay n/t.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Anonymity without accountability.
reddread
(6,896 posts)but that faux opportunity should come with the proviso/warning
that ANYONE can pretend to be ANYONE at ANYTIME, and what goes down
online aint necessarily above board or safe.
Id like to see the envelope, myself.
wouldnt you?
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I even posted something to that effect in the lounge.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018794847
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It was hers, she was inevitable, she was entitled to it, she was supposed to get it, and this annoying upstart with a funny name came and swooped it away from her.
Now for fucking SURE it is HER TURN and dammit if anybody tries to screw with the inevitability train this time, man, they're in for it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)That was mailed to a poster's home.
/thread
reddread
(6,896 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)eom
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)To everyone, I say support your candidate, but in the end we are all members of DU. That deserves some respect and support as well.
riversedge
(69,707 posts)tritsofme
(17,320 posts)Very scary...major mental issues at play here.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)looks like theres something untoward happening in FL.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)I don't know why the sender put an AK return address...
Didn't he or she know the postmark would be from the city from which it is sent?
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)1. His/her own handwriting.
2. He/her probably licked the stamp (s) DNA
reddread
(6,896 posts)no precedents for that.
tritsofme
(17,320 posts)This isn't dirty tricks or politics as usual. At it's best this is incredibly creepy stalking, at worst there could be some criminal element.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)If it is, they should be banned, but it looks Rovian to me. And of course, it's been posted all over DU as if there's proof it's a DU Bernie supporter and there is zero proof of that.
I have other ideas of who it could be, but I'll keep those to myself.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)eom
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)There's still zero proof it's a DU Bernie supporter. My money's on ROVE operatives or Hillary's players.
reddread
(6,896 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)The truth will eventually come to light.
reddread
(6,896 posts)but what are the odds this isnt low rent mischief from local troublemakers?
clearly no shortage, but they seem to be a shrinking minority.
or I just hope they are
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)The person who sent the letter had to delve into a person's facebook page, find his or her address, create a phony return address, and then mail the letter twice because they thought they got it wrong the first time.
reddread
(6,896 posts)who is the culprit?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I have a good idea if who's behind it. They'll be caught eventually and then the truth will prevail.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Those postal guys/gals work quick.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)at a certain point, I say when one of our own is targeted like this, maybe being a member of DU is more important than partisanship for our personal candidates?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I wish I had the time to read more about it right now.
But anyway, that possibility makes every bit as much sense as any of other theories floating around.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)A friend tossed it out there.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)That was a new one to me too, but so accurately describes this "letter" issue and all the other racist bullshit being flung around DU the last few months.
VERY enlightening!
Accusation = Guilt - just because you were accused. Makes so much sense now!
Thanks for the new word, AK! It's one for the memory bank.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Interesting read on that. Seems oddly familiar.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I suggest you investigate that before making blanket accusations.
False flag operations wouldn't be out of character to some people.
I await your proof of who wrote this "letter" and your evidence of how and when they did it.
Thanks.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Joking about that letter, and deflecting by some first saying it could not have been a sanders supporter instead of rallying around a member of DU and putting aside partisanship is really distressing.
I am more concerned about a member of DU being harassed like this than any candidate I support. I am a member of DU, Bravenak is a member as well. When are we going to start caring more about our fellow members than we do trying to out primary-debate each other?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Your repeated posting of it proves that.
Which leads me to doubt it's authenticity completely.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)Which leads me to doubt it's authenticity completely.
Of course you do.
Oh, you can tell Mr. Citizen he can have my whereabouts too... You can have it as well... I like to meet new people.
reddread
(6,896 posts)but this post here ^ is grade F bullshit. take that tough guy shit somewhere else.
have some shame and some decency. this kind of crap just stinks the place up.
you shouldnt need to be told how to behave among other posters,
no matter how many you want to beat up.
all the while complaining about this stalkers letter campaign...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,704 posts)but this post here ^ is grade F bullshit. take that tough guy shit somewhere else.
have some shame and some decency. this kind of crap just stinks the place up.
you shouldnt need to be told how to behave among other posters,
no matter how many you want to beat up.
all the while complaining about this stalkers letter campaign
I would expect an apology for this calumny against me but I won't hold my breath.
Yeah, if a poster wants to threaten people anonymously I take issue with it. I am not the one fishing for poster's personal information.
PM me, ask me for my whereabouts, and I swear to God I will give it to you. I am not going to post it here and get a hide. Once you have it you can do with it whatever you want.
P.S. The suggestion that the letter in question is fake is odious.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)So just exactly how would you propose I tell "Mr.Citizen" anything? Why would you accuse me of knowing this person? People I associate with don't make threats, real or not, on the internet or in real life.
reddread
(6,896 posts)period.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)and taking open discussion of objectionable aspects as
some sort of "right wing" attack.
when the right wing's major concern comes from a different direction,
albeit with a seemingly common hatred for "liberals"/"liberal extremists"
Skittles
(152,963 posts)you all are making real spectacles of yourselves