Hillary's sign - the big red arrow pointing the right

[Rosa Luxemburg]

My grandson commented on Hillary's logo with the big red arrow pointing to the right. He wondered if this meant that she is to become more right wing (as it red). I never really noticed this until now.

[Motown_Johnny]

1. Show him this

[sheshe2]

3. Yes we can read a lot of things into it.

From Rosa

Hillary's sign - the big red arrow pointing the right
My grandson commented on Hillary's logo with the big red arrow pointing to the right. He wondered if this meant that she is to become more right wing (as it red). I never really noticed this until now.

Bernie takes us backwards as Hillary takes us forward. It is all about the interpretation.

[Motown_Johnny]

4. Why is right forward and left backward?

Because you read from left to right? Not all languages do that.

Your preconception is the problem.



The interpretation should be clear. Bernie is pulling Hillary to the left politically. If you have some other opinion then please post exactly what it is that Bernie is proposing that would be moving us backwards. I am betting you can't.

Your post seems to be nothing but a really bad attempt at spin.

[sheshe2]

5. ...

[Motown_Johnny]

8. So I was right. No substance to your post

Thanks for confirming that.

[PatrynXX]

69. yep smh

you had a great point...

[pnwmom]

28. Why? Because in the English-speaking world, sentences and all timelines

move from left to right.

The past is to the left and the future is to the right.

This is still a country where the vast majority of people read books and timelines from left to right, despite all our diversity.

[Hollingsworth]

45. A lot of us are fighting against a future further to the right.

[Go Vols]

90. for years

[emulatorloo]

103. Look at the > 'forward' and < 'backward' buttons on your web browser

< >

< back | forward >

People who are web-savvy understand this convention no matter what language they speak.

This discussion is idiotic and we already had it and did it to death.

[LoveIsNow]

106. Isn't that more or less what Bill Clinton argued?

That the New Deal and Great Society were just terrible mistakes that need to be rolled back, and neoliberalism and mass privatization are the wave of the future?

Maybe those ideas have more adherents on DU than we would like to believe.

Personally, I believe neoliberalism and privatization will be a blip in history, and eventually we will get back on track. The course of freedom only runs in one direction.

[rhett o rick]

9. Sen Sanders wants a higher min wage, and money for college, and money for our infrastructure.

How is that backwards. H. Clinton wants money for Goldman-Sachs and Wall Fracking Street.

Do you really think that forward is to the right or left?

We want to reduce the 22% child poverty rate what do you want? We want to stop the Free Trade agreements that are killing American jobs, what do you want? We want to avoid wars like Iraq, do you? Which way is forward? Mores wars?

We want the 1% to pay their fair share to send our children to college, don't you?

We want to stop the XL Pipeline to avoid the environmental damage like what happened to the Gulf. I hope you agree.

We want to end fracking that is destroying the water supplies of the 99%. How do you stand? Clinton likes fracking. Big profits for oil companies and contaminated water for the peons. Where do you stand?

[beam me up scottie]

15. You're citing facts???

What is wrong with you, don't you know that perception is everything?

If sheshe says Hillary is more progressive than Bernie then she just is.

[rhett o rick]

55. Some here think progressive is moving to the Right. How sad. nm

[kath]

67. Why would you expect people to discuss ISSUES, when it's so much fun to just shake the

Pompoms?
Rah rah cis boom bah!

[Scootaloo]

21. This'un's better

[aikoaiko]

22. That never gets olds.

Every time I see it, I chuckle.

[mhatrw]

37. That must be pointing to the Third Way.

[Ms. Toad]

44. Love it!

That's always been (and still is) my main concern about Clinton.

[GoneOffShore]

47. Totally brilliant. Totally true.

[rhett o rick]

51. .

[MissDeeds]

66. That really says it all

Evolving, forever evolving.

[840high]

72. Love that one.

[Motown_Johnny]

85. what would really be great....

A Bernie "B" pulling a Hillary "H Weather vane" which keeps flipping as it is being pulled.

[cyberswede]

78. That is clearly the word "BATH" - Sanders supporters are saying Hillary needs a bath!

Evil Sanders supporters!

[Mojorabbit]

83. I like this one because I originally had the same reaction as the child. nt

[SouthernProgressive]

92. Why would we want someone tied around our ankel pulling us backward? nt.

[Motown_Johnny]

96. Why do you think moving left is backward?

Please read posts numbered 4,5 and 8.


We have already tried this and the Clinton supporter has no rational for this argument.

If you have one, please present it.

[hifiguy]

111. Or this

Graphic deleted because Scootaloo beat me to it!

[cantbeserious]

2. Observant Grandson - Many Puzzled Over That Logo - I Think He Has It Nailed

eom

[NorthCarolina]

6. I said that on the day they released the logo.

huge arrow in GOP red pointing to the right...at least it's truthful.

[Fawke Em]

10. My first thought, too.

BTW, from Tennessee!

[NorthCarolina]

12. Hey back to you too

from....well, that's obvious I guess.

The South is gonna rise again...but this time with help from a Democratic Socialist, and as an important part of the union.

[redstateblues]

36. Socialism will not play well in TN

I've lived here for 30 years. TN is a long way from electing a socialist. The closest we've come was a centrist pro business Democrat named Phil Bredesen. He was a good governor but he was The only statewide Democrat elected in many moons. Al Gore lost TN. Blowing sunshine is not going to rebuild the Democratic Party in TN

[Fawke Em]

60. I don't know.

Governor Pilot has pissed off a lot of people by trying to privatize the maintenance of our state colleges, parks and other state-run institution. That means people's jobs.

[mak3cats]

65. And that's really unfortunate...

...there's a branch of my mom's family that moved down to Tennessee in the 60's. I have a cousin who is in her mid-60's who has great-great-grandkids (my cousin had her first child at 15, I believe, and the pattern continues), and many in her family has had to depend on government assistance at some point. Socialism didn't suck for them. This is a case of people voting against their own best interests.

[Ed Suspicious]

71. My commie friend lived in Memphis for quite some time.

[Go Vols]

93. "A candidate who trusted the intelligence of voters (in Nashville!) wins a decisive victory."

Little by little it will be done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027163878

[Admiral Loinpresser]

101. New Nashville mayor:

http://www.thenation.com/article/nashville-elects-a-mayor-who-is-serious-about-jobs-wages-poverty/

[aidbo]

7. I noticed that the first time I saw it!

Made me wonder what they were thinking. Someone has to have pointed that out when they were coming up with it.

I know we read left to right and that subconsciously an arrow pointing right implies going 'forward', but it just seems pretty tone-deaf.

They could have tried switching colors and have a blue arrow pointing right.

I don't know why it jumps out at me so much, but there it is.

Oh and I'm sure you'll get some folks saying this is a non-issue, but I think it matters because either 1: someone knew exactly what they were doing and did it on purpose or 2: nobody even noticed it or gave it a second thought which would speak poorly toward her team.

I don't know which is worse, but I have an idea which is more likely.

[Dragonfli]

17. If you came to a detour sign with that arrow painted on it

Do you
A) Turn right or
B) Drive forward onto a washed out bridge?

This "a right arrow means moving forward" meme is hogwash

[aidbo]

19. The machine knows!

[zentrum]

27. That's interesting.

Because I found the logo disturbing from the first moment I saw it and couldn't figure out why.

The closest I could get to it was that it seemed like a fake dynamism.

[aidbo]

34. We may be over-analyzing it.

Heck, some christian fundies would look at that and say that the arrow represents the devil, 'cuz he's got a pointy red tail.

I get a sense that the logo was too contrived.

Also, it's more red than blue. Just sayin'.

[zentrum]

63. Egg-zactly

Contrived.

[artislife]

11. Nancy Reagan red? nt

[reddread]

14. Bill Clinton Blue (sp)

[Dragonfli]

18. Painted over a red used car to sell it. /nt

[hifiguy]

112. Snap!

[jimlup]

13. I noticed it when it was first used...

I was surprised that no one in her organization pointed that out and stopped it. I mean, I'll assume for now that it was simply an oversight but I mean it was kinda obvious...

[Tommymac]

74. +1

[MissDeeds]

16. Your grandson is very perceptive

The logo indicates a clear move to the right, as do her policies. No more DINOs. Not now. Not ever.

[pnwmom]

26. Nonsense. Going right means to go forward into the future.

A left arrow goes back in the past.

Look at any timeline.

[MissDeeds]

38. Going right means to go forward

Thanks. That's all I need to know about you.

Bye

[pnwmom]

41. ALL timelines in English go from left to right. All books in English go from left to right.

I guess you don't read.

[MissDeeds]

46. Nice try

I have a Ph.D. Sorry about you.

[pnwmom]

54. So you say. But something major got left out of your education. n/t

[Hollingsworth]

95. The English readers have it the right way over all others that read in different directions?

I don't think you mean that and I don't think your argument holds much water either.

Moving to the right is not progress it is regress. We are talking politics here, not futuristic sci fi.

[rhett o rick]

53. So you think the Right is the goal? I can see how you get that. GoldmanSux is

to the Right and I think some think that is heaven.

We need to reduce the 22% child poverty rate. The god Goldman-Sachs doesn't care, do you?

[pnwmom]

57. You know you're twisting what I said. The question is why. Do you think

it helps Bernie to have his supporters deliberately alienate future voters? Assuming you think he'll win?

The future is the direction that we're all heading. All timelines designate the future with arrows moving to the right. Hillary's arrow points toward the future.

[rhett o rick]

59. Sen Sanders supporters want change to help the 99% and get away from the status

quo that has for the last 40 years seen Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street growing wealthier and the 99% getting poorer. Whose side are you on?

[pnwmom]

61. I'm on the side of the Democrat who goes to the general.

I used to think that with her organization Hillary had a much greater chance of being that person, but Bernie has impressed me.

Unfortunately, many of his supporters make me want to run in the other direction.

As for my vote, I'm going to wait for the debates before I make up my mind. I respect both candidates and Martin O'Malley as well. I doubt that Biden will run.

[rhett o rick]

73. I wish you could understand this. In 2002 when Bush and Mr. Evil were trying to lie us into

a war, I was adamant that we should do whatever we could to not let them kill Iraqis for profits. I knew that the Democrats couldn't actually stop them but I relied on them to at least expose Bush and Mr. Evil for the wicked humans they are. Some Democrats had the guts to stand up for what was right and some betrayed us and hundreds of thousands of humans died because of it. I watched the vote on CSpan and was distraught. Kill innocent Iraqis because Bush and Cheney wanted their oil. How many tens of thousands of Iraqi children were killed? How many killed by land mines, phosphorus shells, and the cluster bombs that children mistook for toys? How many American soldiers were killed or wounded? How much money, how many trillions of dollars went from the middle and lower classes to the war profiteers? Iraqi lives and American troops lives matter. I can not forgive H. Clinton for her betrayal.
And I am astounded as to how others can.

Around the world peoples are standing up to oil companies and other companies that are destroying our environment and looting our wealth. The billionaires may be successful in buying the WH for H. Clinton, but they can not kill our dreams of the freedoms and liberties that our founders fought so hard for us. We will fight the oligarchs for ever just as our founders fought.

[pnwmom]

79. Ted Kennedy didn't blame Hillary, John Kerry, or Joe Biden for that vote and neither do I.

They made the terrible mistake of believing Colin Powell, who had until then been a respected figure for both parties -- he was once even recruited to run for President as a Democrat.

Kennedy knew better because he had access to top secret information as a member of the Armed Services Committee -- but he didn't blame those who voted the wrong way because he couldn't share the truth with them.

[rhett o rick]

89. You are saying that Colin Powell fooled them. While the Germans and French were

telling the world that the intelligence was bogus, they believed Colin Powell about some pipes. Even if Powell was telling the truth, it would have been a very weak reason to justify killing a hundred thousands innocent Iraqi children. The pipes would have meant Iraq was in the process of building a facility to make WMD. Years away. No hurry. All other evidence at the time was debunked.

They trusted the Bush Admin. That is enough to disqualify them for the presidency of the USofA. Were you aware that the spent Uranium shells we used there left uranium dust and is causing cancer at a high rate. The deaths continue from that mistake. How many of our troops are living in our streets with injuries and mental disorders. All because the Bush Admin wanted the oil in Iraq. How many of those that made the decision got rich off the war?

If the excuse was we got bad intelligence, why wasn't the head of the CIA fired? He got the medal of freedom because his intelligence accomplished what was needed by those wanting war, wanting profits for our MIC at the terrible cost of Iraqi lives that some want to sweep under the carpet.

Because Ted Kennedy didn't blame them in public, doesn't mean anything in politics.

It was a mistake that killed maybe a million people and turned 5 million Iraqis into refugees, and some just turn their heads, look the other way and pretend it is inconsequential. Those responsible for the "mistake" need to be held responsible.

[pnwmom]

100. And the other half is what you already mentioned. There was nothing they could do

to really stop Bush, because the Rethugs could have passed any resolution they wanted in January. So in October they passed an IWR with U.N. conditions that Bush ignored. In retrospect this was wrong -- at least in the sense that it didn't work to rein Bush in -- but I can see why they thought it was worth attempting.

[mak3cats]

77. Slightly off-topic, but you have just said something very important...

"As for my vote, I'm going to wait for the debates before I make up my mind."

Isn't it a real shame that the debates are being controlled by one individual? And that the opportunity for people to make up their minds are being delayed (maybe beyond reclamation) by that same individual?

[AgingAmerican]

116. Then you are in the wrong party

Because around here, going right means going backward.

[hootinholler]

20. It makes a spiffy weather vane

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. LOL

[MissDeeds]

42. Exactly

That's true leadership. Not.

[pnwmom]

24. Explain to him that on a time line, going left means going back in time

and going right means going forward in time.

That's probably why you haven't noticed this before. You've seen more timelines and number lines than your grandson.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. At least they could made it blue?

[pnwmom]

30. Bernie has a red white and blue logo as well. That's pretty standard. n/t

[aidbo]

43. More blue than red in Bernie's logo, and the blue is above the red.

But Hillary's has more red than blue and the blue behind the red.

Still this is all pretty much just speculation.

This is not a reason to vote for or agains any candidate, just fun diversion.

[pnwmom]

58. This whole thread is insane.

Thanks for noticing.

[aidbo]

62. How many angels could dance on the head of a pin?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

115. Yep

fun!

[SoapBox]

25. I've asked that since the second it came out.

And I find it almost impossible to believe that no one in her campaign thought of that either.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

32. You find it almost impossible to believe. I find it completely impossible to believe.

The first day they rolled it out, several at DU noticed. There's no way this wasn't done by design. Everything her campaign does or says is very much by design.

[Hydra]

33. I'm sure they did

"How many people do you think will get it?"

"Not enough!" *laughs*

[tomm2thumbs]

31. Truth in Advertising

Guess she should also have a barcode on it so we can scan and find out how much she is being bought for by the corporate powers and Wall Street money

[GoneOffShore]

50. Nailed it.

[DesertRat]

35. I always saw it as pointing forward.

Toward the future.

[redstateblues]

39. I'm surprised no one on DU

Has said that it is the devil's pitchfork since so many here think she's evil

[mhatrw]

40. Maybe it is a missile pointed at Iran? n/t

[Eko]

48. It could just as easily be

right as in "on the right path" as opposed to the wrong one. When you start interpreting symbols with no basis in fact it could be anything. "feel the bern" could be we are all going to burn in a nuclear blast because Sanders is so anti war that he will leave us vulnerable, stupid and silly and not worth a discussion but here we are discussing what possible interpretations they could possibly be. I know, I know, there is all the evidence in the world that Clinton is a closet republican even though she was the 11th most liberal member of the senate while she was in it. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate. Who was 1st? Sanders of course. Props to him, but you dont see me wondering things based off of inane symbology or a catchphrase other than a stupid, silly argument just for the sake of discussion.

[GoneOffShore]

49. To go forward select D

To go backwards, select R.

[jfern]

52. "I plead guilty" - Hillary

[Eko]

56. I also want to comment

that my nephew looked at Sanders and said he looked like an insane scientist that would blow up the world, should I post an op on this? Is that op worthy? Of course I am being facetious, maybe ironic, without a doubt humorous. but once again, here we are.

[radiclib]

64. This should settle it

Once a Goldwater girl...

[yawnmaster]

68. but doesn't it point to HER left? if you see me moving right I'm actually moving to my left. eom

[riversedge]

70. Bingo.

[Motown_Johnny]

84. So you assume that she will never stand beside us?

That she must always be opposing us, by facing the opposite direction?



That is pretty harsh.

[yawnmaster]

120. hmmmmm....so people facing you are always opposing you? interesting. eom

[Motown_Johnny]

121. Physically, yes.

And since anyone arguing that movement to the left must be movement backward, it is the only logical conclusion.

The graphic is clearly referring to the political left. Arguing that moving left politically is moving backward is what conservatives do. I really think there is no place for it on a progressive site.

[yawnmaster]

125. guess that really limits rational conversation. I think one needs to realize that face to face ...

is not always confrontational. Important decisions are made face to face.
There is no discussion when facing away from one another or just following.

[Motown_Johnny]

129. I didn't say confrontation

I said opposition.

But I agree this is not a rational discussion.

That was kinda my point.

Read the entire sub thread. It should be obvious when the spin begins.

[yawnmaster]

131. It has been obvious. eom

[demwing]

88. So, what looks "Left" to Hillary

looks "Right" to everyone else?

Interesting message...

[Go Vols]

94. and fairly accurate

[The River]

76. All I See

is a blue equal sign rotated 90 degrees. The red arrow looks
like it was borrowed from the symbol used to designate the male gender.

What's the real message here Mrs. Clinton?

[Zorra]

80. heh

Last edited Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)

My first reaction to it did not go over well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026500564

[NuclearDem]

81. I thought we were done with Arrowghazi.

Silly me.

[JoePhilly]

127. Slow day at the outrage factory.

[malokvale77]

82. Very smart grandson you have there.

Personally, I think it is the "ugliest" campaign logo I have ever seen.

Jeb! is only silly in comparison.

[Hollingsworth]

105. The initial blue with red arrow, yes. I thought it was butt ugly too. But

the variations of it's use are quite pleasing and clever:

?w=1600

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

86. Ones vote and support for a presidential candidate should not be based upon a logo

if it is ones priorities are well just fucked up.

Ones support and vote should be based upon the ISSUES, nothing more.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

98. Well exactly

he's not that old

[MoveIt]

102. so you are saying that losing his vote wont affect Hillary's numbers?

*whew*

[demwing]

87. Looks like a street sign pointing to a Hospital

And inspires more worry than hope, imo

[SouthernProgressive]

91. Critical thinking skills.

Ask him if there is another way to interpret it that would make more sense. It would be a good lesson in how we read things we come into contact with when we have preconceived notions. Very teachable moment in critical thinking.

Is this one of the "issues" Sanders supporters keep saying we need to get back to discussing?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. An observation

[pinebox]

99. Well there is always this :)

When I first saw Hillary's logo I snickered and thought to myself "that really says it all", so I went with it and came up with this as my twitter avatar

[Agschmid]

118. It says a lot about you that you support a candidate...

By mocking another candidates logo.

Class act.

Not red. Not blue. Just being real.

[pinebox]

123. Actually it says a lot

about me on where I stand. American's shouldn't have to settle for this lesser of 2 evils corporate bullshit any longer.

Class act? More like a case study in reality.

You sound mad though. You should be considering how out of control our system and 99% of our reps are.

*side note. It's funny, you're actually the first person who's gotten upset over my logo. I've gotten hundreds of compliments on it XD

[brooklynite]

104. That's what you want to focus on, is it?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

107. Just a mere observation

Nobody is focusing on it.

[rhett o rick]

108. Not me. I want to focus on her standing with the 1% on fracking, the TPP, drone killing,

XL Pipeline, Arctic drilling, fracking, college debt, prison non-reform, and other issues.

It's silly to make fun of her arrow pointing toward the Right Wing. She admits she isn't a progressive. We need a progressive to counter the Right Wing and not "compromise" with them.

[DirkGently]

109. Could be communicating that

... whether intentionally or not.

Americans mostly perceive right as "forward" though as well, probably because we read in that direction.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

110. Towards red?

[libdem4life]

113. Wait until you hear what I first saw...true...

A red male arrow and angular everywhere. No curves or softness. It's stark.

The Bernie symbols I see here have some flair to them.

JMO...seemed weird to me, but someone brought it up and, well....

[Rosa Luxemburg]

114. interesting observation

[treestar]

117. It means moving forward towards communism

[in_cog_ni_to]

119. That was the first thing I noticed when I saw it.

First thought, ugh...arrow pointing to the right.

Second thought....figures.

It has to be deliberate, to send a message. If she wanted to court Progressives, the arrow would be pointing LEFT.

Her actions and policies fit her right arrow too.

[pinebox]

124. Yup

I picked that off right away myself.

[Buns_of_Fire]

122. Maybe she should just use her middle name? (It's Diane, BTW)

There's probably not much you can do with an "H" that won't get somebody's bowels in an uproar.

I love Silly Season!

[arcane1]

126. Regardless of what it means, it's fucking hideous. Even worse than the stupid "D" logo nt

[DanTex]

128. This is a hugely important policy issue. Just the kind of thing that Hillary bashers focus on.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

130. Only

a grandson