A very warm but mostly white crowd welcomes Sanders in mostly non-white Atlanta.

[pnwmom]

Only 38.4 percent of Atlantans are white, and even fewer Democratic Atlantans are white.

You wouldn't know that from the crowd that turned up for Bernie.

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/downtown/2015/09/12/bernie-sanders-atlanta-candidate-democrat-president/72120894/

While Sanders has been good at attracting big crowds, political pundits have noted that they are not terribly diverse. Nor was this crowd in Atlanta tonight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/upshot/why-democrats-now-have-a-shot-in-georgia.html?_r=0

What makes this decline particularly helpful for Democrats is that 48 percent of the newly eligible nonwhite voters are black. (Hispanics make up a larger share of newly eligible nonwhite voters elsewhere in the country, and blacks typically vote Democratic in larger proportion.) Over the past decade, Georgia’s pool of eligible black voters grew by nearly 600,000, compared with about 375,000 newly eligible white voters. Some of this is because of generational change, but many new black voters have moved from expensive northeastern cities to growing middle-class suburban communities on the south side of Atlanta.

Unlike Texas, Georgia is not a state where Democrats have a lot of work to do to capitalize on demographic change.

Thanks in part to the surge in voter registration ahead of President Obama’s election in 2008, more than 500,000 new black voters have been added to the rolls since 2000, along with 466,000 other nonwhite voters, compared with 111,275 more registered white voters. Georgia is now one of only a few states where a larger percentage of eligible nonwhite voters is registered than eligible white voters. Democrats like to remark that there are hundreds of thousands of unregistered black voters in Georgia. That’s true, but they don’t mention that there are far more unregistered white voters.

[Puzzledtraveller]

1. What do you think this means?

What is it supposed to mean in so far as posting it here?

I am not attacking you to be sure, but what are we supposed to do about it?

[pnwmom]

2. I don't think we can win unless we can keep the coalition together that elected Obama.

And so far I don't see that happening with Bernie.

I think Bravenak addressed part of the problem when she spoke out about Bernie supporters who criticized Obama. It isn't a good way to appeal to Obama supporters. I think Bernie understands this but too many of his supporters do not.

[jfern]

66. Remember when Obama was doomed with Hispanics in 2008?

And he lost Indiana in primary, which Kerry had lost by 20 points 4 years before, but Obama won Indiana in the general.

Primary support means nothing for general election support.

[pnwmom]

110. If the Rethugs nominate their current second place candidate

Carson instead of Trump -- we could find ourselves in a very challenging race.

Carson, the brain surgeon, is seen by many as a very positive role model. And despite his extreme positions, he doesn't come across that way, with his very soft-spoken demeanor. He even has a self-deprecating humor.

We'd be nuts to take the African American vote for granted, or the Latino vote, or any part of the Obama coalition.

[Bluenorthwest]

147. Carson is a right wing bigot. People who would vote for him are not part of anything involving LGBT

Such voters are Republicans.
"How I feel and what I think isn’t just my opinion. God in his Word says very clearly that he considers homosexual acts to be an ‘abomination.’" Ben Carson.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/rachelwitkin/ben_carson_s_10_worst_anti_gay_comments

Folks who would vote for that should go vote for that.

[Walk away]

277. It's a relief to know that Proposition 8 never happened!

[djean111]

3. Let me hazard a guess - this is supposed to make Sanders supporters feel very bad about

supporting Sanders, six months before a single vote is cast in the Georgia primary, and scurry over to Hillary.
That, and a jab.
The usual.
Doesn't accomplish anything at all.

[beam me up scottie]

4. And for not being diverse enough for the op.

Obvious poster is obvious.

[pnwmom]

6. No, it's supposed to make Sanders supporters think about what they could be doing

to make this situation better or worse. Bravenak had some ideas about this, but she got suspended for speaking out.

1StrongBlackMan also got suspended, and Number23 got a post hidden in her own forum.

It's almost as if people here don't want to listen.

[reddread]

9. attend to false charges of racism or implications of whiteness?

beneath consideration. purely cynical racist tactics.
somewhere, a mountain of shame sits unused by shameless, desperate advocates of Clinton.

[Ed Suspicious]

63. +1

[AtomicKitten]

162. +++

[MrMickeysMom]

183. ++++++++++++++++

infinity…

I'm really amazed. I try to reach out to this person and support the concerns of people who get hit by jury decisions or banned, and this is what I get back.

I give up with SOME advocates of Clinton…. Not all. I make that distinction, which, apparently, some of them DO NOT.

[840high]

206. ....x10+

[arcane1]

83. At least you're admitting this is just meta bullshit about Sanders supporters on DU.

Progress!

[pnwmom]

107. No, it isn't. Whoever runs in the election can't win the general without

the support of the whole Obama coalition.

We're not going to get that by discounting opinions of minority voters who, so far, aren't as thrilled with Sanders as many white voters.

[frylock]

113. So if Sanders were to win the nomination, but lose the GE because he couldn't attract PoC..

then that's on Sanders. But if Clinton wins the nomination, and she can't attract progressives, then that's on progressives?

[pnwmom]

115. The OP isn't about Clinton. It's about the need for Bernie, who is the "trending" candidate,

to do more to reach minority voters if he's going to win the election.

[arcane1]

128. You're in luck! He's in South Carolina doing just that n/t

[pnwmom]

131. I didn't realize that black South Carolinians are flocking to see him. Great!

Do you have a link for that?

[frylock]

138. Bernie Sanders woos voters in key Southern state

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Sen. Bernie Sanders decried “institutional racism” and called for major criminal justice system reforms — including an end to privately run prisons — while speaking at a historically black college here on Saturday.

The Vermont Independent, running for the Democratic presidential nomination, highlighted his proposals to eliminate federal, state and local contracts for privately run prisons within two years. He wants to shift money toward investments in jobs and education.

“We need to end the absurdity of private corporations making profits by running and building prisons,” he said during an hour-long speech at Benedict College. “Companies should not be profiting from the incarceration of fellow Americans.”

The crowd of about 1,000 applauded that position and Sanders’ push to promote diversity in police departments, reduce high incarceration rates, reform mandatory minimum prison sentences and invest in drug courts.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/09/12/bernie-sanders-looks-boost-presidential-prospects-key-southern-state/72003080/

[Autumn]

168. Were there black people at that black college or did they bring in whites for it?

[beam me up scottie]

139. Did that poster say "black South Carolinians are flocking to see him"?

We're running out of straw, you really should find some new material.

[GoneOffShore]

156. Ah, straw.

There seems to be a whole field of it.

[beam me up scottie]

157. She really should start conserving, there's a terrible drought out west.

Our local farmers are shipping truckloads of hay out there.

[GoneOffShore]

158. Hope they make good money off of it.

[beam me up scottie]

159. They do.

Our feed bill went through the roof last year and we have to place our order early or it's all gone by October.

[arcane1]

140. That's because I didn't say it. Another reading comprehension fail.

I said he's there reaching out, which is what you said he needs to do.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/12/politics/bernie-sanders-african-american-black-lives-matter/index.html

[frylock]

134. Which he is doing. What would you propose he do?

Maybe go on the Arsenio show and play the sax?

[Autumn]

172. Drop out and go away to start. And since he isn't a Liberal or Progressive he should join

the republicans and team up with Ron Paul and they could be Trumps VP. But I bet the farm they would still complain about and hate him. Not Good Enough Bernie

Because I support Bernie 200%. And now I will just say Go Bernie!

[AgingAmerican]

146. Bullshit

Sanders will win regardless. He gets votes where she can't. Independents. Disgruntled Libertarians and Republicans. Millennials.

Threatening to throw the election if Hillary isn't nominated is laughable.

[pnwmom]

148. Nobody's threatening to throw the election. But what is laughable

is, at the same time, to say that Bernie is far more progressive than the other candidates AND that he will get many votes from Independents, Libertarians, and Republicans.

[AgingAmerican]

151. Hillary will get none of those votes

Bernie will get LOTS of votes from disgruntled Libertarians, Republicans and Independents. Will Hillary attract those votes? No.

Those votes will more than make up any 'Democrats' threatening to throw the election for Hillary.

[pnwmom]

152. Do you even know what a Libertarian is? It's the opposite of a socialist.

And the Rethugs are mostly Libertarian these days, at least economically speaking.

So I can't imagine why you think those people would go for Bernie's progressive economic policies -- which is a huge part of his platform.

[AgingAmerican]

165. Irrelevent

You just don't understand there are a lot of disgruntled people in this country. Lots of Libertarians are coming out for Bernie. Everything isn't always about ideology.

Hillary will get none of those votes.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/20/why_libertarians_should_love_bernie_sanders/

[Chitown Kev]

95. Thank you

For better or for worse, "the Obama coalition" won not one but two national elections.

Any potential Democratic nominee should be attempting to duplicate that coalition, which is a proven winner

[azmom]

256. The Obama coalition needed an Obama to jell.

No Obama, no Obama coalition.

[Chitown Kev]

257. For the most part, I agree with you

A winning Hillary coalition, for example, may be somewhat different (if Hillary makes it to the general, yes, I believe that a lot of GOP women will vote for her)

A Sanders coalition will look slightly different, yes.

[Autumn]

102. Skinner says it's easy to not have ones posts hidden, but you knew that already

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598641

It really isn't hard to do, but you have to actually try.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598649

People in safe-haven groups are expected to adhere to community standards just like everyone else.

I agree with you completely. It's almost as if people here don't want to listen

[AgingAmerican]

150. They got their posts hidden through their own actions

Perhaps if they were more civil, they wouldn't get so many hides.

[kath]

245. +1000

[Puglover]

275. But of course Cali's

hidden posts are ALL well deserved while the others you mention are pure as the driven snow and being "alert stalked".



Puerile bullshit.

[AgingAmerican]

280. No

nt

[kath]

255. Note: this was a FUNDRAISER, and it COST $50 MINIMUM to get in,

(Not meaning this directly to you Puzzledtraveller, but wanted it to appear at least fairly near the top of the thread, above all the other bullshit)
, which would definitely affect the demographics.

[Fawke Em]

5. Possibly, but the crowd was still pretty diverse.

This one is in front of 200 Peachtree. The gentlemen were doing double duty: working for veterans and Bernie.



I still say he just needs to do what he's doing and come down here more. The corporate media refuses to talk about his issues, but, once the people here him, they like him - no matter his or their color.

[pnwmom]

7. You found pictures of a couple black guys. But the crowd still isn't very diverse.

Maybe it would be diverse for Vermont -- but not for Atlanta Democrats.

Here is Obama speaking in Cincinnati. This is what a diverse crowd looks like.

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2012/09/17/obama-speaks-to-crowd-of-thousands-at.html

[beam me up scottie]

10. Jesus Christ.

That's not offensive at all.

[SMC22307]

41. I bet ya didn't alert though...

didja?

[beam me up scottie]

42. Oh hell no. I want everyone to see the op in action.

She's going to have to get a backhoe to dig herself out of this.

[SMC22307]

59. That's my approach: shine a bright light. (n/t)

[reddread]

12. I look forward to the results of the Georgia primary.

right down to whatever demographics are produced.
sexism and racism certainly have their adherents and exploiters.
Not in the Sanders campaign, mind you.

the historic contortions necessary today, after 2008?
jaw dropping.

[Fawke Em]

18. I guess all the Latinos and Latinas in the front rows weren't enough for you.

[beam me up scottie]

34. They don't count.

She's really digging herself into a hole here.

[Fawke Em]

53. Well, let's blow her socks off.

South Carolina.

THIS morning.



Maybe this will meet her approval.

[beam me up scottie]

55. I wonder how long it will take her to count the poc in that pic?

Care for some popcorn while we wait?

[Fawke Em]

69. Sure! I love popcorn.

Got anything to drink?

[beam me up scottie]

72. Sure, white or red?

[Fawke Em]

88. Ooohhh... a Sangria would taste good about now.

The leaves may be starting to turn, but, here, in the South, it's still hot.

[beam me up scottie]

90. It's in the 70's here, a nice break from the heat.

We're supposed to be back up near 90 next week though.

I'm looking forward to the fall, I love to play outside and it's just too hot in the summer.

[arcane1]

144. She hasn't responded to it yet. Must be a slow counter.

[beam me up scottie]

145. Too busy slaying those vicious strawmen upthread!

[kath]

248. oooh, do we get to play "Where's Waldo?", aka "spot the poc in the Bernie crowd" again?! Yippee!

It's so much fun! And we get to play it so often here! Because only white people like Bernie.

(Can I have a glass of wine too? sangria, please, if you will.)

[beam me up scottie]

250. Sure! Here you go:

Cheers!

[artislife]

258. Brown people

not as desirable as other people.

We are the mutton in the butcher shop...

[beam me up scottie]

259. Screw them, I think you're very desirable!

My s/o is a red/brown person and he's all kinds of awesome!

The more colours in the rainbow the better, imo!

[artislife]

260. Especially with a nice mint sauce!

Heh.


It is funny because when you and I think about PoC, there are lots of shades...but I think the majority don't.
Shame, because there is so much wonderful diversity.---and cusine!

[beam me up scottie]

262. Cuisine, music, fashion, everything!

People love to put us in neat boxes but I like us all spilled out and mixed together.

Like watercolours...

[artislife]

264. gosh....I like you! nt

[beam me up scottie]

269. Right back atcha!

[Fawke Em]

296. Me, too.

My ex is Arabic. Our son is a beautiful shade of brown.

[artislife]

299. Yup, lots of diversity!!

[Scootaloo]

267. How many times have latino and hispanic voters been dismissed and written off on DU?

There seems to be a pattern to it.

[artislife]

268. aaahhh....yeah....there seems to be....

They are happy when we caucus with them, though...

[cherokeeprogressive]

51. In case you weren't aware... they were there to see a black President speak.

Fuck me runnin'.

[frylock]

54. Well played.

[pnwmom]

112. In case you weren't aware, that is what an audience with a minority of white people

looks like.

And Atlanta only has 38% white people. So why didn't Bernie's audience look more like that?

[cherokeeprogressive]

117. Maybe they had something better to do.

[pnwmom]

118. You're right. And maybe they'll have something better to do come election day. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

122. Just promise me you'll keep whistlin' past that graveyard.

By the way... has Laugh-Track Hillary had its official rollout yet?

[notadmblnd]

77. Perhaps Sanders won't get the AA vote

But I think what most people who think Sanders can't win fail to take into consideration- especially since we have all seen those who are riding in the republican clown car- is that conservatives are flocking to see Sanders and I believe that a huge number of them are going to cross over and vote for him. In other words, I don't think the AA vote is going to make or break this election.

Okay, I'm ready for the snark, insults and general all around meaness that my post is going to generate. Flame away.

[Chitown Kev]

96. I don't think that Sanders needs to get, say, the percentage of the AA vote in the primary

tha Obama received...I do think that he needs to do that in Southern states though; winning coalitions in various primaries will vary.

[notadmblnd]

104. Well sure it will

but Democrats are famous for staying home on election day if they feel they're not represented by the politicians running. Republican are not known for staying home and that is why I don't think there is any one group of people that will be the determining factor in this election.

[pnwmom]

114. So we don't have to worry about the AA vote because we'll get so many conservative white votes?

That says a lot.

[beam me up scottie]

120. Aaaaaaaaaaaand there it is, you never disappoint:

Okay, I'm ready for the snark, insults and general all around meaness that my post is going to generate. Flame away.

Well done, pnwmom!

Can't refute the what the poster actually said so you make up a strawman and declare victory after defeating it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

125. Gotta fight those strawmen with blowtorches dontcha know. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

130. She's using a flamethrower and getting Berned with it.

[notadmblnd]

123. You said that. I didn't

[pnwmom]

126. What you said:

"But I think what most people who think Sanders can't win fail to take into consideration . . . is that conservatives are flocking to see Sanders and I believe that a huge number of them are going to cross over and vote for him. In other words, I don't think the AA vote is going to make or break this election."

IOW, the AA vote won't make or break the election because a huge number of conservatives will vote for Sanders.
A huge number of conservatives.
Wow.

[notadmblnd]

137. Oh, so only certain people are supposed to vote for certain candidates or there's a nefarious

hidden agenda behind it?

Everyone is supposed to stay in their traditional places even if someone from the other side appeals to them? Wow indeed.

[Autumn]

176. Well Hillary doesn't have to worry about the Independent vote. They should STFU and go away

and let the democrats pick their own nominee and then they can vote for whatever nominee democrats chose in the GE. Cause that fucking shut up and sit in the corner until we need you works every time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027162864#post11

Here's the thing Bernie is reaching out to African Americans, if they chose to ignore him or whatever he does just isn't good enough as far as I'm concerned that's their choice. I've made mine I'm going with the one who supports the poor the elderly the hungry and the struggling, those who have been denied a seat at the table. Bernie Sanders

[R B Garr]

177. Perfect picture for your analogy. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. n/t

[Report1212]

192. I was there

If you were here in 2014 for the Carter and Nunn rallies, this had more diversity than those did. This is southern politics. Deal with it .

[bvf]

23. Good pix, thanks.

The idea that attendance at these events has to be held to a litmus test of concordance with the states' demographics is utterly ridiculous.

I agree that he should keep doing what he's doing. The more support he picks up, the greater will be the pressure on the media (by public demand, hopefully) to talk about the issues and draw distinctions between the candidates.

[Doctor_J]

224. It cost $50 to get in instead of the $2700 that Hillary charges. I wonder how diverse her

fundraisers are.

[frylock]

247. Probably lots of old money as well as new money..

so plenty of diversity.

[HassleCat]

8. There is a good reason for this

The Democratic Party has attracted minority voters by two primary means over the last 47 years, since Lyndon Johnson signed significant civil rights legislation. (1) The party supports civil rights legislation, such as the Voting Rights Act. This allows black people to elect (usually) black people to represent them in congress. They like this, and they appreciate it, and they're loyal to the Democratic Party because of it, and that's appropriate. (2) The party has pushed hard for a number of significant programs and policies that benefit minority citizens. Federal employment is very open to minorities, etc.

Progressives like Sanders (and me) support such efforts, but we feel more needs to be done. We believe economic justice propels social justice, in most cases. This puts us at odds with much of the black civil rights movement, which enjoyed great success pushing political and social justice. But we have a couple questions. When your state insurance commissioner stops insurance companies from redlining, is that social justice or economic justice? Are fair housing laws social or economic? What about federal jobs programs and urban renewal? Social or economic?

Anyway, our appeal does not play very well with most black voters. They made progress by supporting traditional Democratic liberal policies and the politicians who promote them, and they're not particularly interested in venturing into unknown territory. They're afraid of losing what they've gained. We can make a case that we support liberal Democratic programs and policies just as strongly as most Democrats, better than many Democrats in fact, and we have these additional features we'd like to point out. But it's different, not what people are used to hearing, not in line with traditional expectations, so it doesn't sell.

Black voters are sticking with Clinton. They like her on both the political and personal levels. They feel comfortable with her. They are disturbed by the message that the liberal era is coming to a close, that it's time to expand the horizons. Sticking with what you know is certainly not unreasonable. As Molly Ivins would say, you got to dance with them what brung you.

[pnwmom]

15. There's another factor that Bravenak brought up.

Some of the Sanders supporters are strongly "dissing" Obama, and many of Obama's supporters take exception to that. They also don't think that Sanders is going to work the miracles Obama hasn't been able to work.

HRC, on the other hand, isn't running from Obama's record. She's promoting it.

[Comrade Grumpy]

20. Obama is the president, not a sacred cow.

He has left a huge opening for criticism from the left.

Criticizing some of Obama's policies isn't "dissing" him.

I like some of Obama's policies. Others not so much.

I care about what candidates say and do, not what "supporters" say and do. I'm not voting for "supporters."

[beam me up scottie]

25. Well said.

That meme is getting old.

[pnwmom]

26. You have no idea how well loved Obama is by many, especially by African American voters.

You should listen to people like Bravenak. This is what she had to say on the subject, and she speaks for many:

If you want Bernie to get the black vote it will NOT happen if you guys are seething with hate and dissapointment for Obama. Straight up. We love him and do not give two shits about anybody intellectualizing about how they 'really hate him for policy reasons!' We hear the same thing from republicans that you guys are using as your talking point and we do not trust that kinda talk. Serious. Lose the Holder Obama Lynch talking point if you want to have even a chance at a dialogue or even talking to black people about your candidate. We will always perfer Obama to whoever is up for election.

[beam me up scottie]

29. Why don't you stop using strawman arguments to lecture people and address what they actually say?

Obama is the president, not a sacred cow.

He has left a huge opening for criticism from the left.

Criticizing some of Obama's policies isn't "dissing" him.

I like some of Obama's policies. Others not so much.

I care about what candidates say and do, not what "supporters" say and do. I'm not voting for "supporters."

Where does that poster say Obama isn't well loved by AA voters?

[SMC22307]

47. "...seething with hate and dissapointment for Obama."

I imagine many tuned her out after that.

And Obama/Holder/Lynch is a legitimate "talking point" -- they're with ones at the top, the ones with the power.

[Autumn]

108. Yeah but...Bernie is running for President now and if he wins in 2016 he will take office

in 2017. To tell you the truth I tuned the whole thing out out after I suggested that perhaps Obama/Holder/Lynch should have their feet held to the fire and step up to stop these senseless murders now instead of waiting for Bernie or whoever wins to take office. I was chewed out by her and another poster and painted as a racist Bernie supporter.

[SMC22307]

119. I remember some of the exchanges. Either the situation is dire...

or it isn't. (It is.) It's September 2015... January 2017 is a lonnng way off.

[Autumn]

124. It appeared to me that the situation wasn't a priority so I quit reading

those OPs.

[Autumn]

82. If only Obama were running again.

[beam me up scottie]

100. I voted for him both times and would do so over Hillary again in a heartbeat.

But Bernie is the progressive in the race this time and he's my guy.

[Autumn]

105. I voted for him twice too and would do so over Hillary again in a nano second.

Bernie is the one.

[Fawke Em]

22. Promoting it by throwing his foreign policy under the bus?

Sanders supporters aren't "dissing" Obama. I voted for Obama all four times - both primaries and both general elections. The reason: Hillary Clinton is not my kind of politician. I didn't like her then and I don't like her now. She's far too right wing for me on matters of foreign policy and economics.

Hillary has been running as more "macho" than Obama on foreign policy and economics this entire primary.

She is NOT promoting his record. Sorry.

[pnwmom]

28. Many of them strongly criticize Obama in their efforts to promote Sanders.

And that fails to move many Obama supporters, like Bravenak:

If you want Bernie to get the black vote it will NOT happen if you guys are seething with hate and dissapointment for Obama. Straight up. We love him and do not give two shits about anybody intellectualizing about how they 'really hate him for policy reasons!' We hear the same thing from republicans that you guys are using as your talking point and we do not trust that kinda talk. Serious. Lose the Holder Obama Lynch talking point if you want to have even a chance at a dialogue or even talking to black people about your candidate. We will always perfer Obama to whoever is up for election.

[Fawke Em]

71. But not a peep when Hillary does it?

Sounds disingenuous to me.

[pnwmom]

116. Hillary isn't tearing down Obama's record. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

170. She blamed him for the rise of ISIS, criticizing his Syrian policy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/

[Fawke Em]

297. She also said "don't do stupid shit" isn't an organizing model.

She's said a lot against Obama, particularly on foreign policy.

[R B Garr]

237. Yes, and they basically told the BLM activists to go bother Obama in the WH and

leave BS alone. We all know what that really meant,

[riversedge]

91. Hillary is a woman-she needs to project toughness and strength

in foreign policy. That is a fact.

[Fawke Em]

298. Your "fact." Not mine. eom

[HassleCat]

101. Not promoting, but not dissing either

Clinton is careful not to repudiate, or even criticize, Obama foreign policy. She merely says, "I will do this!" and leaves it up to the audience to interpret that as support for or criticism of Obama foreign policy. After all, she was Secretary of State, so she would be criticizing herself if she came right out and said Obama was wrong. How you see this depends on whom you support, I suppose. If you like Clinton, you will gauge his as loyalty to Obama and a tacit promise to continue his foreign policy. If you don't like Clinton, you will see this as a clever dodge, and a warning that she will build a more neocon foreign policy when she is president.

[AtomicKitten]

171. +++

[steve2470]

46. yep you nailed it nt

[frylock]

52. It's unfortunate that people can't differentiate between "dissing" and sound criticism of policy..

but that's what happens when people intertwine their identities with political figures. That criticism starts to look more like a personal attack on a best friend, or favorite uncle.

[arcane1]

149. They can differentiate perfectly. They just pretend not to n/t

[pnwmom]

254. Bravenak is much smarter than you think. She can tell the difference all right.

Here is a post where she explains her position -- as a Bernie supporter who is heartsick to see how some of his other supporters treat African Americans.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=488879

[frylock]

281. I'm not going to rehash all that, and I stand by my statement..

people have allowed themselves to become far too invested emotionally into some of our politicians. When that happens, criticism of policy gets misconstrued as a personal attack on that politician, who is looked upon as a close, personal friend, or cherished family member. That's why I, and many others, prefer to focus on the issues, rather than engage in personality politics.

[pnwmom]

283. If you're not AA you shouldn't be judging her or any other African American

on how they feel about the President.

[beam me up scottie]

284. Yet you're not AA and you're judging West and how he feels about the president.

Along with every AA who supports West.

Funny that.

[frylock]

288. Maybe we're not ready for a Black President after all..

or a woman for that matter, you know, if people are no longer able to level legitimate criticism of policy for fear of offending a segment of society.

[pnwmom]

291. All Bravenak was asking is that people understand how much Obama means to the community

and not use their anger at Obama as their jumping off point for their support of Sanders.

It is quite possible to support Sanders while not "dissing" Obama, as Bravenak and many others demonstrate.

I think Bernie recognizes this because he doesn't go around calling Obama names and treating Obama with the kind of disrespect many of Bernie's followers do. Although he made a serious misstep linking himself with West, I believe. In the battle between West and Obama, Obama has many more supporters. It's not even close.

[frylock]

292. We're going in circles here..

when a person attaches themselves emotionally to a candidate, criticism of policy becomes a personal attack. Look, I get the personal connection between the AA community and our first Black President. That doesn't mean that criticism should be tempered, nor should discussion of what constitutes criticism or disrespect. I like Bravenak, have read many of her posts, and agree with her nearly 100% of the time. I just happen to disagree that expressing disappointment in Obama's negotiating techniques during the healthcare debate, or his use of the bully pulpit to push TPP through is inherently disrespectful.

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. LOL!

You funny!

[jfern]

68. Hillary has run from Obama's record on foreign policy

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/09/atlantics_steve_clemons_hillary_clinton_gave_a_very_neoconservative_speech.html

[grasswire]

215. why do you keep citing Bravenak?

Trying to stir up some trouble?

[pnwmom]

216. Because she's been silenced. And so has 1StrongBlackMan and a number

of other DUers from the African American community, who have all recently had their accounts suspended.

Do you think their voices should be silenced?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=25800

And are you aware that her stalker has actually sent letters to her home address, threatening her with retaliation if she keeps speaking out?

[grasswire]

243. I fixed it for you:

"threatening her with attempting to have her banned from an Internet message board for her strong political speech...."

Perspective is everything.

Look at my sig line. Do you know who wrote that?

[pnwmom]

244. Fixed what for me?

I don't know where your quote came from ("threatening her with attempting to have her banned from an Internet message board for her strong political speech....&quot , but google tells me that your signature line (which I admit I hadn't read) is from Frederick Douglass.

[grasswire]

249. I have had that sig line for years now.

I fixed YOUR statement, for clarification. For perspective. Being banned from an Internet message board for strong political speech should not be a surprise. It may not be fair, but it should not be a surprise.

The jury spoke. Not DU. Not me. The jury.

[pnwmom]

252. I confess to not reading the tiny faded print in signature lines.

It might not be a surprise that this happened to her, but -- obviously -- that doesn't mean it didn't hurt her or that we shouldn't attempt to right the wrong or to avoid similar episodes in the future.

[uponit7771]

246. +1

[azmom]

103. As a latina, I agree with you, but you are

Discounting the level of suffering our communities are experiencing. Things are bad and people want change. I know that Bernie's message will resonate with Latinos.

[artislife]

261. Claro que si.

[procon]

11. How much of a ground team does Sanders have in the field?

He needs money to fund massive get out the vote efforts targeted specifically to minorities. Many of his policies should resonate with blacks and hispanic, but he's clearly not reaching them so the problem is with his campaign organization. The question is why?

Is he bringing in enough experienced people of color into his management team who can focus on broadening his message and welcoming more black voters? Is he staffing up campaign offices in areas where he can meet and greet more black and hispanic voters? Does he even have enough money to fund the intensive campaign effort necessary to overtake Clinton's formidable and ground game and attract voters away from her camp?

[Gothmog]

13. GOTV operations take money

It will be interesting to see if Sanders is able to mount such an operation with limited financial resources

[pnwmom]

16. Maybe because his campaign is built on saying how wrong everything is.

And the current occupant of the White House is very popular among minority voters, who are skeptical that Sanders will be able to achieve much more than Obama has -- as Bernie's supporters seem to expect.

[artislife]

263. Not sure this is an acceptable source

I didn't get it off the Hillary site.....

But
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/latina-press-secretary-helps-build-bernie-sanders-hispanic-outreach-n425901

Oh, lets see, he also got another Sanders in Seattle..

http://www.essence.com/2015/08/12/6-things-bernie-sanders-press-secretary-symone-sanders


He has millenials who created
http://feelthebern.org/

for him...because they wanted to and because they had the skill set coupled with vision.

I say that my area alone has 32 events from learning how to caucus, to phone banking...

[Mike Nelson]

14. Not worried...

I expect Hillary and Obama will rally everyone to support Sanders, if he wins the nomination!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. Well

I know it's not Atlanta.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Clinton: Obama Not Winning Over "Hard-Working Americans, White Americans"

Clinton: Obama Not Winning Over "Hard-Working Americans, White Americans"

USA Today notices that Sen. Hillary Clinton has begun referring explicitly to her appeal among white voters while on the campaign trail:

Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters -- including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
This is the second time since Tuesday's primaries that the Clinton campaign has referred to the racial dimension of the voting electorate. Ben Smith reports from yesterday's conference call on the state of the race:

And Garin brags, specifically and explicitly, about her strength with the white vote, comparing North Carolina's white voters in North Carolina to those in Virginia. (The conversations have always been about these voters, but they're usually referred to as "blue collar" or by some less specifically racial euphemism.)

"We lost the white electorate in Virginia, started even in North Carolina among the white electorate just two weeks ago, and ended [with] a very significant win of 24 points among those voters," he said, acknowledging that among black voters, Clinton "did not do as well as we would want or need."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/clinton-obama-not-winning_n_100763.html

Let me know when Bernie starts using racist dog whistles like the Clintons did in 2008.

[arcane1]

33. Using race as a weapon is a trademark of Clinton campaigns. Even here n/t

[beam me up scottie]

35. The op is carrying that torch well. Hillary will be proud of her efforts on DU.

[arcane1]

44. Indeed. Playing that role well n/t

[Puglover]

166. It is beyond pukeworthy.

I feel like I need a shower. But that happens a great deal on DU these days. Ugh

[beam me up scottie]

173. Race baiting for Hillary - reminds me of 2008.

At least the op only got a few recs for her trouble though, maybe other HC supporters are getting as sick of it as we are.

[Cali_Democrat]

65. What does that article from 2008 have to do with Bernie's struggles

with African American voters in 2015?

[beam me up scottie]

67. You really think the op is about Bernie's struggles?

Why should I take her concerns seriously when she dismisses poc who were at the event?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=587736

[Cali_Democrat]

73. The subject of the OP is the continuing trend...

of Bernie attracting mostly white followers even in heavily African American areas like Atlanta.

This is very relevant to the 2016 Presidential race because any Dem nominee will need the overwhelming support of blacks to win.

Period.

It's clearly a subject that Bernie supporters would rather avoid, but it's impossible to ignore.

Clinton's comments from 2008 are pretty irrelevant especially considering the fact that polls have shown her attracting a lot of American American support at the moment. Clearly blacks aren't as offended by those comments as Hilary's white detractors on online message boards.

[beam me up scottie]

76. I disagree, dismissing poc like she did proves it wasn't about concern at all.

And Hillary's comments are very relevant when discussing political strategies in the south.

[Cali_Democrat]

84. So you never actually answered my initial question

What do Hillary's comments from 2008 have to do with Bernie's struggles with African American voters which was the subject of the OP?

[beam me up scottie]

86. Your question is based on the premise that I agree with you about the op's intention. I do not.

And her dog whistles in 2008 are very relevant to the discussion.

[Ron Green]

21. This election cycle is a very specific test for all American voters:

Can we reject the bought candidates and politics of the past and hear the truth about the failed system?
Or will we embrace the comfortable lies of the brands we've been sold?
We may indeed fail this test. So far the demographics for Bernie are reflecting a fear of change, and that's no surprise. My hope is that there's enough time for grass-roots work and social media to outstrip the big media branding that will work to preserve comfort and fear.

[pnwmom]

31. Or maybe it's a reflection of skepticism that Sanders can accomplish so much more than Obama,

which is what many of his supporters seem to believe.

[Ron Green]

38. He'd sure as hell have said the words "single payer"

loud and clear. Obama's ACA was absolutely necessary in its timidity, because Big Pharma and Big Insurance were calling the shots. If that fact doesn't provide enough skepticism to go around, there are more examples.

[pnwmom]

39. So? Why do you think the Rethugs would have cared about that? As it is, the ACA

was passed without a single Rethug vote.

[Ron Green]

153. Then why not pass true universal health care, if Rethug votes weren't needed?

Unlike Obama, Sanders will stand up and call the crooks out. Who knows what could be done if THE PEOPLE are engaged and energized to throw out the Rethugs and the bought Democrats?

[pnwmom]

154. Because it only passed with the vote of an independent from Connecticut,

the corporate home of major insurance companies.

If he abstained we wouldn't have passed any insurance bill at all.

[Ron Green]

160. Once again - What if THE PEOPLE had been involved, to the extent they put pressure on the lawmakers,

more pressure than the corporations could buy? This kind of game change is what Bernie Sanders is about, and what we need in this country. It may not happen, but that doesn't mean we oughtn't try.

[questionseverything]

207. lol insurance bill?

we did get an insurance bill instead of a healthcare bill

we had a great healthcare bill, passed by the house that included a strong public option, when we started talking about passing it in the senate with only 50 votes (nuclear option) , the ptb quickly gave us the insurance bill instead

[pnwmom]

211. Tell that to the millions who are finally covered on Medicaid.

And to the millions of others who couldn't get any healthcare because they didn't have insurance.

[questionseverything]

217. if a person has a highly subsidized bronze plan with a 6000 grand out of pocket

they still are not getting healthcare

and here in illinois the co pays have gone so far up on medicaid it is criminal

but the point of my post was, glad to see you admitting it is nothing more than an insurance bill and reminding peops that there was a clear path to passage for the public option bill

[pnwmom]

218. There was never a clear path to the public option because Lieberman was standing in the way.

Once Ted Kennedy died and was replaced by a Rethug, the public option was dead.

[questionseverything]

219. nono and no

even rachel talked about passing the good bill from the house with the nuclear option, which is only 50 votes...the 60 vote threshold for closure is self imposed by the senate

so it was not dead no matter what revisionist history you try to write...

[pnwmom]

221. Rachel's memory, or yours, is failing. The reason it couldn't pass is because

after Kennedy died, the only way we could get anything passed was to have the House, which had passed a bill with the public option, vote on the Senate bill, exactly as it had already been passed. (Because we no longer had enough votes in the Senate to defeat a filibuster.) Reconciliation in a joint committee wasn't an option.

It's explained here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/physiciansfoundation/2014/03/26/a-look-back-at-how-the-president-was-able-to-sign-obamacare-into-law-four-years-ago/

[questionseverything]

227. i'll see your 1%ers' rag and raise ya a rachel

MADDOW: Senator Boxer, you are one of the 23 Democratic senators who

have signed on to a letter supporting not only using reconciliation, but

supporting—

BOXER: Yes.

MADDOW: -- the pursuit of a public option through reconciliation.

BOXER: Yes.

MADDOW: And when you give me that story about the child with the
Advertise

cleft palate in Nevada and the way the private insurer responded to that—

BOXER: Yes.

MADDOW: -- it does make me want there to be better regulation for

private insurers, but it also makes me want the American people to have an

option to compete with the private insurance companies through a publicly-

accountable public plan.

BOXER: Yes.

///////////////////////////

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35582068/ns/msnbc-rachel_maddow_show/t/rachel-maddow-show-wednesday-february/#.VfTDIZdSKUo

i did use the wrong term i guess nuclear option is for appointments and reconciliation for bills that deal with financial issues but the 50 vote threshold is the same...we had a clear path it just was not chosen

[pnwmom]

228. We did use reconciliation. This interview was before the bill got passed and was signed by Obama --

and it did involve using the process of reconciliation.

[questionseverything]

229. you did not read the link

or even the tiny bit i posted for you

we had a great bill from the house,senate boxer and other senators were advocating passing that bill in the senate with only 50 votes ,hence the term reconciliation

hopefully others will actually read the interview between rachel and senator boxer

[pnwmom]

230. Yes , I read it, and it doesn't show that reconciliation wasn't used. It shows that the

Rethugs were trying to fight its use before it was used.

Here is how the vote went down.

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/senate/2/105

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/health/policy/26health.html

In a fitting finale to the yearlong health care saga, the budget reconciliation measure that included the final changes was approved first by the Senate and then by the House on a tumultuous day at the Capitol, as lawmakers raced to complete their work ahead of a two-week recess.

The final House vote was 220 to 207, and the Senate vote was 56 to 43, with the Republicans unanimously opposed in both chambers.

The reconciliation bill makes numerous revisions to many of the central provisions in the measure adopted by the Senate on Dec. 24, including changes in the levels of subsidies that will help moderate-income Americans afford private insurance, as well as changes to the increase in the Medicare payroll tax that will take effect in 2013 and help pay for the legislation.

The bill also delays the start of a new tax on high-cost employer-sponsored insurance policies to 2018 and raises the thresholds at which policies are hit by the tax, reflecting a deal struck by the White House and organized labor leaders. It also includes changes to close the gap in Medicare prescription drug coverage known as the doughnut hole, and to clarify a provision requiring insurers to allow adult children to remain on their parents’ insurance policies until their 26th birthday.’

Many of the changes were intended to address the concerns of House Democrats, as well as to bridge differences between the original House and Senate bills and to incorporate additional provisions sought by Mr. Obama.

[questionseverything]

232. reconciliation was not used on the good house bill that included a public option

which is what rachel and the left wanted

it was used on the final insurance bill the third wayers wanted, the insurance bill you are so proud of

////////////////////////

this is too funny, you started this discussion by saying the public option was dead because we did not have 60 votes in the senate and you have since proven yourself that we never needed 60 votes in the senate

[pnwmom]

234. This is very complicated to follow, I know. Here's a published journal article about what happened.

http://www.aallnet.org/mm/Publications/llj/LLJ-Archives/Vol-105/no-2/2013-7.pdf

[Recursion]

309. God, no. Whoever came up with "Single Payer" as the branding should never work in politics again

It's a horrible brand, it polls awfully, and it's not even an accurate description of what most of the left wants. And yet so many people want to die on that particular hill despite not even knowing what the phrase actually means (people are lumping together France, the UK, and Canada, though of those only Canada has "single payer"; people are complaining about ACA just being "insurance reform" and lamenting the downfall of single payer -- which is also just insurance reform).

Now, Obama did in fact say he would prefer universal Medicare as a system, very early on.

You did know that, right, since you seem to think the Presidents' saying that matters?

[Ron Green]

312. The President's telling the truth is what matters.

And Bernie Sanders does a good job of that. I don't care if "single payer" polls well or not; call it "universal health care." But for Pete's sake don't pretend it's other than a giveaway to insurers with no real cost controls. That's something Obama did, and I'm confident Bernie would not.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. better than a cold and mostly green crowd.

Atlanta, after all.

[beam me up scottie]

27. HOW DARE YOU NOT TAKE THIS SERIOSELLY???

Don't you know how much time and effort it takes to racially profile those crowds?

[Metric System]

40. Well played and culturally relevant.

[Warren DeMontague]

141. Hillary should ditch the expensive advisors and hire me, instead.

Finger on the pulse, i tell ya.

And i work cheap.

[frylock]

58. !

[Autumn]

163. Atlanta? Man that's a lot of white people.

[840high]

209. ...+1

[arcane1]

30. Play that race card! It's not like you have any others n/t

[HooptieWagon]

32. I'm not worried about what I can't control.

Sanders has been reaching out to AA community, but ultimately it's up to them. My own thoughts are that Sanders platform will be particularly beneficial to minorities, and Clinton's will hit minorities the hardest. But if AAs want to support Clinton, that's their prerogative. Best of luck to them.

[mccallen]

36. Hillary's got the minorities, and she will win

with all the minorities backing her! Because she will be the first woman President, and she herself is a minority! A woman!

[jfern]

70. Women are a majority of the population

[Ed Suspicious]

75. She will definitely have her way vs that Jewish majority in this country.

Women are not a minority. wtf? 50.8% of the country is female according to the 2010 US census.

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf

[TheFarS1de]

231. Sorry ....

Women are NOT minority . Look it up sometime .

[David__77]

37. I think it would be interesting for Sanders to select his running mate now.

I haven't come to support a candidate and haven't been closely following things. I'm not especially intrigued by Sanders at this point. I think that selecting a running mate would be interesting.

I do wonder the impact of teaming with an African American politician; for instance, if Barbara Lee would run with him.

This is all pure conjecture obviously!

I think that would throw in an interesting dynamic, and if the person had strong left/progressive credentials, it could make for quite a race!

[Ed Suspicious]

79. I hope like hell that Sanders does not consider ethnicity when selecting a running mate.

How cynical would that be?

[David__77]

85. I don't agree.

I think it's a consideration one can have. If there are equally-qualified choices, I personally would consider historically-underrepresented groups when making a selection. Affirmative action is, in my opinion, a good thing. It's not about choosing someone solely based on ethnicity.

As I mentioned, that was just conjecture. I'm not hoping or recommending anything.

[HereSince1628]

43. Wasn't the Sanders stop in Atlanta a fund-raiser?

When you put the fund-raising expectation onto entry I think it probably influences the demographics of the attendance.

[slipslidingaway]

98. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Appears there was a $50. minimum donation ...

"Atlanta Meet and Greet Fundraising Reception

All online tickets to this event, have been sold, but a limited number of tickets will be made available at the door. Please bring a check made out to Bernie 2016.

Here's the information for the event:

Friday, September 11 at 6 p.m.
Atlanta Meet and Greet Fundraising Reception
200 Peachtree
200 Peachtree Street NW
Atlanta, GA 30303

The minimum contribution for this event is $50."

https://secure.berniesanders.com/page/contribute/atlanta-reception

[840high]

210. Yep

[HereSince1628]

214. This is like complaining about demographics that don't show up at Clinton's Hamptons house parties.

Whut???? Hillary doesn't like the middleclass??? cuz none of them are present?

[840high]

223. Exactly!

[SonderWoman]

45. Mostly empty as well:

https://instagram.com/p/7iOKLFMRpg/

[beam me up scottie]

50. LMAO!!!

Mostly empty as well:

You never get tired of embarrassing yourself, do you?

[Warren DeMontague]

57. There was a utility closet that was CLEARLY NOT AT CAPACITY

CHECKMATE, SANDERISTAS!

[beam me up scottie]

60. WE'RE DOOMED!

I only count 3 cockaroaches and two mice in that pic.

And they're WHITE mice!

[Juicy_Bellows]

64. I think they linked to the South Carolina speech from earlier?

What a weird thread this is!

[beam me up scottie]

89. Weird is one word for it, I would be less polite but my post would get hidden.

The op really let the mask slip this time, there's no going back now.

[Juicy_Bellows]

93. I had a post in the chamber ready to go but then decided against it.

I've done that a lot lately!

I will say that the OP itself wasn't great but some of the authors replies down-thread made me go, no way? oh no way? oh WOW holy shit, really!? Something like that.

Cheers!

[beam me up scottie]

97. Counting poc is quite a hobby for some HC supporters these days.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=587948

I have been holding back a bit too, sometimes it's better to point and laugh than engage.

[Juicy_Bellows]

99. Yes, laugh along, it's performance art at this point.

You don't want to heckle a good set!

[Autumn]

161. Oh how precious.

[frylock]

48. And awaaaaay-yay we go!

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. Lovely

More racial bullshit. This is the shit that will lose Hillary the Primary. Just like the last time she and her surrogates used the dog whistles. You should be ashamed.

Have a nice day.

[elehhhhna]

61. shes totally capable of losing primary without anyone's help

Like last time. Hills just a redundant footnote in progress. Sad.

[Ed Suspicious]

62. Bernie Bad with Blacks is the implication.

I've heard this story before. Rerun time.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

81. Nobody mentioned this in 2008 campaign?

That Obama's crowds had many Whites

[Ed Suspicious]

87. Great speech.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

92. Yes it was!!!

[DCBob]

74. Here's a screen capture of the crowd..

Hard to pick out many black folk in that shot. Maybe 1 out of about 30.

[beam me up scottie]

78. "Hard to pick out many black folk in that shot. Maybe 1 out of about 30."

[DCBob]

80. Is my math wrong??

[DCBob]

94. Here's another one you might like better..

Clearly one black fellow there!

[Armstead]

164. What an awful looking bunch of people

[DCBob]

278. They look fine to me.. just a bit pale.

[frylock]

253. Have you been appointed the HRC group's counting PoC czar?

[DCBob]

273. No but someone needs to do this..

If Bernie can't attract a decent number of black folk in places like Georgia and SC then that is major red flag for his campaign.

He cannot win the nomination or the general election without support from black voters.

[frylock]

282. If Black voters sit out the GE because they don't feel a personal connection with Sanders..

then that's on them. Enjoy your little game.

[DCBob]

285. No games here.

This is serious business. We cannot afford to let the gop take over this country.

[beam me up scottie]

286. That's why you're counting poc? To save us from the GOP?

My hero!

[beam me up scottie]

289. Maybe but I'm not the one playing where's Waldo with poc.

[frylock]

290. Alerting this shit.

[DCBob]

293. good grief. chill out.

[frylock]

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[pnwmom]

121. Thank you. And it should be 54% black if it's just representative of the Atlanta population.

And the number would be even higher of Atlanta Democrats.

[Armstead]

106. More race baitiing, oh goody

Sanders has a lot of work to do to increase his visibility and acceptance among African Americans.

Shit a few months ago, probably 15 percent of the country had ever heard of him. And people who did have benn ,yes, white progressives for the most part.....And then,he was subjected to those ambushes early on by BLM and the false impression it created about his "lack of committment to social justice" and the opportunistic "Bernie doesn't care about black people" meme that followed.

So yeah, it's not surprisibg.

But he is working on it, and his campaign is working in it...And trying to set the record straight on his lifelong committment to social justice and civil rights.

Whether the truth can be promulgated soon enough to make a difference is one of the unknowns.

But these attempts to mischaracterize him and his supporters certainly are not helpful.

[beam me up scottie]

109. I agree with you - well said as usual, Armstead.

We know that Bernie has a lot of work to do and more importantly so does he.

[hifiguy]

142. Nope, and they never end around here.

Sad, really.

[MellowDem]

111. African Americans are among the most conservative...

demographic groups that make up the Democratic Party, polls have shown this.

There is a real cultural and ideological divide, and Sanders will have a tough time reaching out to conservative demographics in general.

The Democratic Party is probably too conservative as a whole for someone like Sanders unfortunately. Elections often will highlight very real divides in American society some people would rather ignore in an attempt to maintain an idea of party unity.

[Armstead]

136. There are many varities of conservative

Cultural conservatism is one form. But when it comes tobeconomics, its not so cut and dried.

PEople may be culturally conservative but still belueve in things likecthe safety net,livable wages, entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, access to education, etc......Both personally and in terms of social justice.

I wouldn't write that
off so readily.

[MellowDem]

225. That's very true...

And I don't write those types of conservatives off, but it will be hard for Sanders to reach out to culturally conservative Democrats IMHO, a lot of voters vote for who they most identify with, and he will have a tough time, optics matter a lot in electioneering.

[L0oniX]

127. -

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=176119199389124&set=a.137359946598383.1073741827.100009731355290&type=1&theater

[pnwmom]

129. Cornel West hates Obama. So his endorsement won't appeal to a lot of Obama supporters. n/t

[L0oniX]

132. Yea we'll believe that just cause you say it.

[pnwmom]

133. Do you need links showing West's contempt for Obama? n/t

[L0oniX]

135. I also have some contempt for Obama but he was the only choice. Kinda like what you want for us...

with Hillary.

[Vinca]

143. Maybe I'm having vision problems, but I see a whole lot of white people in Clinton crowds.

Shall we slice and dice it and dissect it town by town? I'm beginning to wonder about the nonstop Bernie bashing, especially from Hillary supporters who will be begging us to vote for her should she be the nominee. You WILL need Bernie supporters in the general to overtake the crazy train. Don't kid yourselves. Her numbers are still in a downward spiral. She's not on an Obama trajectory.

[artislife]

266. But in their past lives they were Cleopatra...nt

So it's okay.

[left-of-center2012]

155. "A very warm but mostly white crowd welcomes Sanders ...."

Haven't we seen some very warm but mostly female crowds at HC gatherings?

[Armstead]

167. Speaking of a white crowd

OF course this doesn't necessarily represent anything either but...

[link:http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/AvZoSNJrz_nEGvjFsTGROA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/|

[HooptieWagon]

189. Not a single black face. Nt

[840high]

212. NOW that's white.

[TheFarS1de]

235. Hang on...

I need to put on my sunglasses .... that is one white sea Watch them avoid this part of the conversation as they try to boil up the next great evil that Sanders has perpetuated .

[Number23]

169. The unadulterated PANIC that any OP that doesn't spray kisses at Bernie immediately receives

is almost comical at this point. As well as the attempt to deflect from the subject at hand or just change it altogether.

Not to mention the well known names at this point that will race up and down every single one of these threads anywhere from 5-50 times, all in an effort to prove how non-important said thread is of course.

Any Dem candidate for any national office that goes to Atlanta and gets an overwhelmingly white crowd has a shit load of work to do. And none of the panicky and nervous laughter and high fiving is going to change that.

[Armstead]

174. More irritation than "panic"

I am sure Sanders, his staff and all of his supporters realize he has "a shit load of work to do."

But the irritation comes in response to these endless posts who want to create an issue that totally misrepresents Sanders, and insults those who support him.

[Number23]

175. You may consider attempts to discuss Sanders' commitment and policies re: communities of color

and his current lack of support in these communities to be "irritations" but many of us consider them important.

And if they "irritate" you guys so much, you always have the option of ignoring them instead of kicking them back up to the top of the forum every 16 seconds with yet another post about how "unimportant" this all is when you're not trying to change the subject.

[Armstead]

181. This is a discussion board. I have no problem with discussing things

But you know damn well the difference between that and deliberately trying to gin up an issue, and either piss people off and/or make a candidate and their campaign supports look bad.

And we have just as much right to call out such things as do people who support otehr candidates, when they perceive the same kind of behavior from the supporters of Sanders.

In an ideal world such differences and questions would be "discussed" in ways that aren't personalized or polarizing. But neither the world or DU is ideal unfortunately.

[Number23]

186. The FACT of the matter is that Bernie's support among minorities is slim to nil right now.

That has been borne out in every single poll and discussion about his support. Now YOU guys are the ones that consider pointing out his dismal support from minority communities to be race baiting and "manufacturing outrage" when it is nothing more than the truth.

This is a GENUINE issue, one that Sanders himself knows is real. Now if that bothers you guys to the point that you have to haunt and stalk every single thread about it, then that says more about your ability to deal with reality than it does about anything else.

[Armstead]

195. Haunt and stalk?

On one hand you say its a legitimate "discussion." But when 'we guys" respond, that's haunting and stalking? So all threads about how awful Sanders is on race and only appeals to white people should just be ignored by anyone who doesn't agree with that?

What the hell...have a nice evening.

[Number23]

199. It is a legitimate discussion and issue. Which is why his "supporters" here will do whatever they

can to shut it down.

See ya.

[AtomicKitten]

178. Kafkatrapping.

[Number23]

179. You. Yet AGAIN.

[AtomicKitten]

180. and here you are, AGAIN.

[Number23]

184. Being a woman of color, I had to look up what kafkatrapping means. It's the SJW insult

for people who think that they are too smart to call people SJW's. Friendly tip: you aren't.

And I will post any damn where I feel like, no matter how hard you and your pals try to run every single one of us off this board for daring to have an opinion.

[AtomicKitten]

185. We're all free to post here.

I remember a time when you were appalled by the racial politics employed by Hillary.

Now you are participating in it.

[Number23]

187. Then feel free to post everywhere and leave me alone. Your posts are more ravings than

anything else and I have absolutely no interest in anything you write about, "agenda" based or otherwise.

You are not going to run anybody off. Deal with it.

[AtomicKitten]

188. nor will you run anyone off ...

[Number23]

190. I, unlike you, don't feel the need to haunt the steps of posters who have opinions that dare to

differ from mine. And your need to follow me around every chance you get (though I notice you don't dare step foot in AA) lobbing 2nd grade insults does nothing but show how fucking terrified you must be of me and my "agenda."

And I'm loving it.

[AtomicKitten]

194. don't flatter yourself, you're not that interesting

what is interesting, however, is the continued racial swift-boating of Bernie Sanders here

it's like a carwreck in slow motion with no thought given to blowback

[Number23]

198. Nothing anybody could ever say could swiftboat Bernie worse than having people who behave like

you among his supporters.

If "Sanders speaks before an overwhelmingly white crowd in Atlanta" is considered "swiftboating" then no wonder you think your behavior qualifies as "support".

[AtomicKitten]

200. Your campaign against Bernie supporters is lame low-hanging fruit,

... because Bernie's record is excellent. So the racial swift-boating of the candidate often turns to racial swift-boating of the candidates' supporters, hoping whatever thrown at the wall sticks.

You have a lovely evening. The last word is yours.

* edited in deference to the language police, yet another strawman in the continuing saga of "Bernie (and his supporters) don't care about black/brown people." Hat tip to Kanye.

[Number23]

202. So you've gone from Kakfatrapping to "jihad" Any other racist crap you want to toss around?

Your "jihad" against posters with melanin who speak their mind is even more illuminating.

[Number23]

205. Really too bad you can't change your behavior as easily as you've changed your posts

And you appear to only have done so "in deference to the language police" and not because your calling my posts a "jihad" was needlessly incendiary, offensive and ignorant as all hell.

You guys need mirrors. Desperately.

[MineralMan]

295. Alert Results

On Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:42 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I, unlike you, don't feel the need to haunt the steps of posters who have opinions that dare to
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=588323

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Welp, I'd break this down piece by piece for you folks, but I'll make it simple; This post is rude, insensitive, a bit over the top, and possibly hurtful. Insulting, attacking, taunting and mockery of DU members shouldn't be tolerated, primary season or not. Still, I know juries are playing a bit partisan lately, so I won't hold it against you if you leave it.

Either way, have a great day folks, and thanks for your time and consideration.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:04 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's GDP.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not a chance, alerter. Not a chance.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole exchange degenerated. But we can't hide it all.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

I was Juror #3

[Number23]

304. Thanks so much, MM. My 2nd batch of jury results in this thread. This person follows me around

needlessly launching personal attacks that are oftentimes racially loaded and I'm the one that gets the alert(s). Somehow MY posts defending myself from this person's unhinged attacks are the "hurtful" ones.

I don't have a reputation around here as being a shrinking violet at the best of times. And even if I did, the way this person has decided to make these unprovoked, incredibly nasty, incredibly PERSONAL posts to me when I don't give her, her thoughts or her opinion the first bloody thought would lead anyone to tell them to get lost. Or worse.

[840high]

213. For sure.

[Jamaal510]

272. +1

[steve2470]

182. yep nt

[Number23]

201. And the inevitable jury results in case anyone is interested

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

several kinds of baiting that we do not need any more of here

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:18 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Baiting? Baiting you say? Look to yourself, alerter.
These spurious attempts at alert-intimidation should be halted by administrative action.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is an opinion--not "baiting". And yet ANOTHER alert on AA who speaks their mind on race relations.
Ismnotwasm
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Come on, this sort of stuff is Standard for GD.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you think this is 'bait', then don't take it. Pat yourself on the back for having recognised something you don't need, and move on.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: LOL@ the alert message complaining about baiting. Read FD.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lame alert.

[Surya Gayatri]

203. Hey Number 23...thought you might be interested in this:

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The unadulterated PANIC that any OP that doesn't spray kisses at Bernie immediately receives
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=588230

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

several kinds of baiting that we do not need any more of here

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:18 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Baiting? Baiting you say? Look to yourself, alerter.
These spurious attempts at alert-intimidation should be halted by administrative action.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is an opinion--not "baiting". And yet ANOTHER alert on AA who speaks their mind on race relations.

Ismnotwasm
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Come on, this sort of stuff is Standard for GD.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you think this is 'bait', then don't take it. Pat yourself on the back for having recognised something you don't need, and move on.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: LOL@ the alert message complaining about baiting. Read FD.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lame alert.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was juror N° 1 and it would appear I wasn't alone. 0-7 to
LEAVE IT ALONE!

[Number23]

204. Damn, too bad many of my fellow "jihadists" appear to have been on that jury.

Oh well, maybe next time. Onward Sanders soldiers!

[Surya Gayatri]

208. "...marching as to war." The crazed obsessiveness is truly off-putting.

[Report1212]

191. I was there, and it was the most diverse fundraiser I've ever been to

It was a fundraiser, and it was $50 at least to get in. It's not surprising it was going to tilt whiter (I'd say 70-30 white to minority).

If youre not from Atlanta you might want to refrain from commenting ont hese events as they are usually much whiter and much older than this one was.

[beam me up scottie]

196. Thank you!

It's good to hear from someone who was there and knows what they're talking about.

[Report1212]

197. And by the way I can't compare it to Hillary's fundraiser here over the summer

It was closed to the press and cost $2,700 to get into. It took place in Buckhead a place few blacks live or can afford to live. So I don't think it was very diverse. But your mileage may vary.

[R B Garr]

251. Did you even read the OP and the local news article? You are contradicting yourself and

missing the point. The point was mainly that AA's were underrepresented for the area, not that there were none there. Your local news said the same thing.



quote from the local news station article in the OP:

"While Sanders has been good at attracting big crowds, political pundits have noted that they are not terribly diverse. Nor was this crowd in Atlanta tonight."

[Report1212]

276. You don't know what a fundraiser is, apparently

Fundraisers are usually old white men. This was a fundraiser that looked like a diverse college campus. This was a huge change from the norm in ATL

[Puglover]

193. You know Hillary may well be the Democratic

nominee for President.

But I can tell you this much. Ugly crap like the stuff you seem to enjoy peddling are not going to serve her well.

So if you think it's helpful keep on keeping on with this revolting divisive crap.

[Doctor_J]

220. Do you think "Bernie's a racist" is enough to carry HRC to the nomination?

Seems to be your only remaining argument in favor of Mrs. Clinton

[TheFarS1de]

226. That's because they have nothing else ..

No policy that won't be shot down by Sanders in terms of popularity so they go for the lowest common denominator , racism and sexism . Just check the boards and the same group posting the same meme's day in day out . And none of it has any substance but does make for good diversionary noise .

[Gothmog]

233. The crowd in Houston was just as white

According to one of the lawyers in my office, there were more Jews in the audience than Latino voters.

[beam me up scottie]

236. And how would they know that?

[Gothmog]

238. They were there

I heard about this event from my temple as did every other Temple in Houston. The Houston Tejano group was evidently not told about the event. One the attorneys from my office attended the event and it was like a meeting of the board of the Federation or the ADL.

My county party chair attended and he saw mostly white faces. For his troubles, my county chair was savaged by the local paper for being a socialist http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740

Were you at this event?

[beam me up scottie]

240. How could they tell which people were Jewish?

Or Latino for that matter?

My s/o and his family are multiracial and I'll bet your friend wouldn't know what race they were.

[artislife]

270. Don't you know

There are different kinds of swarthiness!

Here, this may help.
https://www.google.com/search?q=images+of+swarthiness&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS555US555&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CB0QsARqFQoTCKGp-Y-q88cCFYmWiAodEA0JQw&dpr=1


For the love of all things holy, I have no idea why there is a red head in there...might be a recessive gene?!



***DISCLAIMER: I am swarthy--swarthy
/ˈswɔːðɪ/
adjective swarthier, swarthiest
1.
dark-hued or dark-complexioned

[beam me up scottie]

271. LOL! No kidding!

My mom was a dark skinned Romanian, not as dark as some folks but not lily white either.

My older brother looks like her while my younger brother and I took after my dad's side of the family.

[Gothmog]

301. Or they could all belong to the same organizations

The same people are active in ADL and Federation.

[R B Garr]

303. Which is exactly what you already said and answered the so-called "question" n/t

[Gothmog]

300. As for Jewish, my associate is active in ADL and the Federation

Houston has a fairly small Jewish community and the same people are active in Federation, ADL and a couple other organizations. The ADL annual lawyer of the year award is a great way to see most of the Jewish lawyers in town

[TheFarS1de]

241. How did they know they were all Jews?

or is that what we call an assumption ?

[Armstead]

265. More important, why did he care?

[Gothmog]

279. Read the post-there were more Jews than Hispanic voters at this event

I know two different people who attended this event. One is a young Jewish member of my firm who heard about this event from his Congregation and who met a large number of Jews at this event. Neither he nor my county chair saw any Hispanics at this event and another friend complained to me that the Tejano Democrats did not know about the event until the day after it occurred

Were you at this event?

[Bonobo]

306. OMG! JEWS!!!

By the way, I am alerting this. It may not get hidden, but the Admins will see it.

[ecstatic]

239. I didn't know he was coming here. Nt

[SouthernProgressive]

242. Socioeconomic oppression plays a big role in so many aspects of society.

Two things that include are impediments to descent news and a more detached stance when it comes to caring about politics. Disenfranchising voters also plays a big role in this. These things can't be ignored when looking at these numbers.

Point being many AA communities, by way of socioeconomic oppression and oppressive governmental policy, are often lagging behind other segments of society with respect to timely and quality news. Many of them are really going to like what Sanders says as they learn more.

I think some just completely overlook the Clintons decades of outreach and focus only on certian aspects of Bills Presidency. It's a fair argument but isn't complete without an understanding of the scope of their outreach.

[Jappleseed]

274. I am guessing all this racial hatred is not going to work out well for us in the general.

As someone who is neither black or white. This black and white view on race is disgusting and counter productive to moving ahead in this country. Only fuels the stereotypes that the Republicans have and I am betting it will do more to bring out the vote for Republicans than Democrats.

Race is something that really needs to be dealt with in this country. One that overwhelmingly is highlighted in your post, counting black people as some sort of badge. Shameful in my opinion, coming from a supposed Democrat at that. For some reason there is no policy conversation to be had with racial issues on DU. It's all about how many blacks this how many whites that. This will certainly come back to bite us.

What we need is to energize the electorate and win back some of these Senate and House seats along with the presidency. We may get the reigns but darn it we have no horses.

We do have a real enemy in this country in regards to race and by Ka'tikenhrakwahst it ain't Bernie or Hillary.

[underpants]

302. Weak

[slipslidingaway]

305. This was a fundraising and a $50. minimum donation to attend n/t

[WorseBeforeBetter]

308. They don't sweat the details... doesn't fit the narrative. (n/t)

[slipslidingaway]

310. And they just continue with the race baiting ...

shit.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

311. It's disgusting. And it will backfire.

I didn't pay that close attention to DU during the 2008 primaries, but I'm getting a taste -- a very nasty taste -- of what I hear others refer to re: Hillary, PUMAs, racist dog whistles, surrogates doing the dirty work, etc. Ugly stuff.

[slipslidingaway]

313. It was nasty ...

so many switched from Kucinich to Edwards because he was more electable. But if you looked at Edward's voting record it was pretty shitty and I was rather outspoken on DU back then, my old journal has the records. This was before his infidelity, I was not paying as much attention to the top tier candidates of Clinton and Obama, the media were giving them lots of attention. In the early times the media attention to Obama was negative, but still he got attention from corporate media, that was a sign he was a viable corporate candidate to me. He has done some good things and has taken a wrong turn on others.

We have to look at the issues and stand tall, the best candidate out there for me is Sanders.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

314. I always came out closest to Kucinich in those online quizzes,

but I did like Edwards' "Two Americas" message. He was right... I live in NC and see it EVERY DAY. I viewed Obama and Clinton as pretty much the same, and that's probably why I can't get enthused about her now. Sanders has been on my radar for over a decade, and based on the issues, NO ONE comes close.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

307. Like warm tapioca pudding?

Yum.