Absolutely disgusted that a major party candidate for our party accepts West's support.

[Drunken Irishman]

Cornel West's vile, hateful and racist words toward the President are absolutely disgusting and beyond any type of political discourse that should be welcomed in our party. I am absolutely stunned that a major party candidate is openly rallying with someone who has been so hostile and racist toward the President - a Democrat in his own right. In fact, I can't recall a time when that has ever happened.

I don't need to post the outlandish, extreme hate-speech West has flung at the President but needless to say I doubt anyone would be willingly to accept West's words if they came from someone on the right. In fact, I've heard just as divisive language from other conservatives - namely guys like Allen West who can't help but make subtly, and not so subtle, racist digs at the President.

Beyond humiliated right now that a candidate who might be our party's nominee could embrace a racist like West.

[Luminous Animal]

1. Of course you are dear.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. Do you agree with West's words toward the President?

Do you think Bernie does? West has been more vile toward Obama than even Donald Trump. That's saying something.

[jfern]

12. If you're talking about certain specific words he used about Obama

then I'm sure Bernie doesn't agree with those. But West was correct that Obama should have done more to stand up to Wall Street.

[Drunken Irishman]

16. West is a racist.

And Bernie should be embarrassed for associating with a racist.

[jfern]

28. Lets see

A black African American studies professor who says that Fox News is biased against BLM because of "white fear grounded in white privilege" is racist against blacks? Is that your argument?

[arcane1]

40. While using a DU name that invokes an old bigoted stereotype of Irish people.

Some people just can't see irony even when it's in their face

[historylovr]

92. +1.

[Fawke Em]

129. I'm Irish!

Does the OP not concern himself of offending me?

[orpupilofnature57]

160. + 1000

[valerief]

155. You got that right!

[Eleanors38]

176. Well, this Irish t---- will have to have a beer or four to consider that.

[bvar22]

41. aaaaannnnnndddddddd.............BaBANG!

Well Done.

[orpupilofnature57]

79. Your not listening to the accusations, all Valid points and I can point out more policies of the,,,

Presidents that are harmful to all victimized minorities, than any other example except for the statements made about the President, that Cornel West is a racist

[juxtaposed]

83. West is a racist, LOL! Try another shtick

[Bonobo]

91. Oops. Someone's gone and outed themselves. nt

[orpupilofnature57]

161. PLUG YOUR EARS AND HOLD YOUR BREATH.

[uponit7771]

109. overt dodge...

[bowens43]

36. I dont know what he said but IMO Obama has been at best a pretty poor president

He has given in to the right wing lunatics again and again . He could have been a great president but instead he decided to through throw those who him in office under the bus.

[orpupilofnature57]

87. Your using this as a diversion from the fact the man was SPOT ON in his Accusations.

[LondonReign2]

151. Don't you mean Rev. Wright?

This road seems strangely familiar....

[brush]

159. Make snarky remarks it you want but . . .

when the PAC ads come out running 24/7 loops using video snips of West trashing the President with the most vile language imaginable it won't help the Sanders campaign get badly needed Obama coalition votes.

Let's go back to '04, John Kerry can certainly tell us a little bit about "swiftboating".

Were the campaign researchers asleep on this?

[FloridaBlues]

178. Brush have to agree. He took him to campaign with him to me that suggest Bern agrees with his stand

[Enrique]

3. Brother Bernie!

[99Forever]

4. Your concern is noted.

[Drunken Irishman]

5. It's so funny when our party embraces our racists.

We have no moral ground to get angry at the right's racist rhetoric when guys like West use the exact same wording to attack the President.

So, does Bernie think Obama is Kenny G in black face?

[99Forever]

9. Ahhh...

... someone haz a madz.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. Yup. I think racist language has no place in Democratic party politics.

I guess some Bernie supporters disagree.

[99Forever]

24. Put words in other people's mouths much?

[TM99]

108. Then you will of course

never support Hillary Clinton for president, right?

Many of us POC still remember the vile racist campaign she ran against Obama.

Funny how so many white Clinton supporters now like to lecture Sanders supporters on how bad West is and how much of a 'black' problem Sanders has in this election season.

[Fawke Em]

130. Thank you.

I've been trying to point this out on here and on other social media outlets.

I remember that from 2008 and it offended me.

I'm white, but I'm Southern. When Clinton started trying to talk "black" or "Southern" or whatever the hell she was trying to do, it offended me greatly. I was already in Obama's camp at that point, but I really harbored no ill will toward her - until she did that crap.

Now, she's throwing Obama's foreign policy under the bus, criticizing him for not being as "macho" as she would be. Funny the Clintonites don't see that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/10/hillary-clinton-obama_n_5665901.html

[Hatchling]

137. I was actually in Hillary's camp before that.

I really wanted her to be the first woman president and questioned that she was really being racist. Obama suporters set me straight and I supported Obama thereafter.

I haven't forgotten the Obama supporters arguments from then.

[LondonReign2]

154. And of course...crickets

Hillary supporters hate to be reminded of the racist dog whistles she used against Obama

[brush]

162. The thing of it is, Obama coalition voters (90 % of black voters, 67% of Latino/a voters . . .

55% of women voters) a huge part of the Democratic Party constituency, and of which neither Sanders nor Hillary can win without, many may just chose to sit it out.

Having West carrying the baggage of easily accessible videos out there trashing Obama with extremely vile and crude language that can be made into extremely damaging anti-Sanders political ads that big money PACs can run 24/7 does not bode well.

Seriously, where were the Sanders campaign researchers. They didn't find this out? Were there no other prominent AA and/or Mexican American Sanders supporter out there to use as a surrogate?

[TM99]

181. This is just more propaganda.

Obama threw Rev. Wright away before the primary was even over. Clinton was already attacking him on the issue as well. Who was worried about the GOP doing it when your own party was.

Democrats are afraid of their own shadow. Clinton as well as Obama are more concerned with looking a certain way then actually acting a better way.

I have no problems with Sanders making any mistakes in the eyes of the MSM. Why? Because he is consistent. He does not pander. He is authentic. He and West share many of the same political beliefs and aspirations. It makes complete sense for them to team up on occasion during this election season to promote that.

[brush]

182. Are you serious? You're saying it makes complete sense to Bernie and West . . .

but what about the voters? They are the ones it has to make complete sense to.

Bernie needs to woo AA voters and having an Obama hater as a surrogate, I'm sorry, does not make sense.

If you want Bernie to win instead of going on about propaganda and you having no problem with it, you'd maybe try to help that campaign recruit another prominent African America who does not have West's baggage.

You seem to really have no idea how despised West is by many in the black community because of his vile attacks on the President.

[TM99]

183. Of course I am serious. I would not post otherwise.

You continue to push, without evidence, the assertion that the majority of AA's 'despise' West.

You continue to suggest that West is now an official and permanent fixture of the Sanders campaign.

You continue to assert that no other prominent AA will campaign or endorse Sanders in the future.

Lots of assertions and thus far no evidence but opinions.

Look around you. Things are changing.

[brush]

184. If you've followed these West thread at all you should have an idea of why he is despised. . .

in the AA community. You said:

"You continue to push, without evidence, the assertion that the majority of AA's 'despise' West."

I and several other have posted links for people to find out themselves of West unpopularity in in the black community. Here are some links (evidence) again since googling seem to be too much to do.

"The Rise and Fall of Cornel West" by Michael Eric Dyson..
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

Melissa Harris-Perry on Cornel West
http://www.thenation.com/blog/160725/cornel-west-v-barack-obama#

You also stated that I continue to suggest that no other prominent AA will campaign or endorse Sanders.

Is there a comprehension problem because that is not true at all.

What I continue to ask is why go with an Obama hater, West, instead of another prominent AA Sanders supporter.

Those are two different things completely. Do you not see that?

[TM99]

186. I have been polite. I suggest you do the same.

Got it!?

You have posted those hit pieces over and over. That is not evidence. Those are opinions.

You are fixated on West. You act like Sanders will not gain AA support because of it, which polls to the contrary are already showing his growing AA support.

I answered the question why. You simply did not like the answer. Look around yourself here. Look at how many AA, bi-racials, latino's etc. are applauding West's speech. Watch the actual video at the black college where he was greeted with applause and support.

They and we do not care if West said something potentially offensive (out of context). We care about jobs, police accountability, education, health care, etc.

[brush]

187. Okay, we agree to disagree

You don't like the links I posted. That's okay too, but my evidence is I am an African American and live in the black community and I know the zeitgeist and West is not well liked by the majority because of his vile attacks against Obama.

You don't have to like that but it is what it is. It's quite well known in the AA community.

And I guess you don't do social media or you would know the pairing with West by the Sanders campaign is being roundly mocked on Twitter.

[TM99]

188. Yes, we will agree to disagree.

I am a bi-racial man and my community includes blacks here in my city as well. I have not experienced what you claim.

I am on social media. It is self-referential and explosive before the crowd moves on to another outrage. I see a back and forth on Twitter about this. I also see a lot of whites complaining about West. All in all, it looks an awful lot like DU.

I'll also note that one of the loudest voices on Twitter about West is a white guy in San Francisco who loves all things Obama. Like I said, this looks like DU the last few days.

[Fumesucker]

110. Hillary and hard working Americans, white Americans, agree

Racism has no place in Democratic politics.

[John Poet]

135. Hillary in 2008: basically, 'Black votes don't matter'

I really love the way Hillary's supporters have been talking down Bernie because his support base, so far, has been mostly white--

when their own candidate in 2008 stated flat-out that white support was just about the most important thing to get the party's candidate elected (and throwing in a racist dog-whistle "hard-working" at the same time--- in the campaign where her opponent was getting the lion's share of the black vote).

The hypocrisy is breath-taking.

[roguevalley]

78. Clinton let a mentally challenged man die in arkansas to show everyone he was tough

on law and order. do you embrace him? Or is that somehow different? Given CLinton's remarks about Obama during the first campaign I suppose we need to throw all of bill clinton out and not believe he has any worth whatsoever because he challenged Obama's race and personal view of himself as a man of color. Purity is a tough taskmaster

[arcane1]

13. And manufactured n/t

[tularetom]

6. And I'm disgusted that a major candidate for our party sucks up to Henry Kissinger

So there!

[jfern]

10. Good one

Kind of hard to compare some guy who didn't say the nicest things about Obama to someone who helped Pol Pot, whom many say was worse than Hitler, come to power.

[Drunken Irishman]

18. Me too! Not sure why you think I support Hillary.

I don't.

[morningfog]

32. So, not Hillary and disgusted at Bernie?

Undecided?

[Fawke Em]

131. Probably O'Malley

Because IRISH.

Even though O'Malley would probably be offended by the poster's moniker.

[stevenleser]

142. OMG DI, this is Hillarious. The reflexive attack on Hillary regarding your post, given that you

don't support her has me on the floor laughing.

[Autumn]

67. Human rights lawyers in Chile filed complaints against Kissinger

for his involvement in the covert program of political repression known as Operation Condor. And countries in South America and Europe wanted to question him about actions by the Nixon and Ford administrations in which Kissinger was National Security Adviser and Secretary of State. War criminal.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/04/28/henry-kissinger-wanted-man/

[rhett o rick]

76. Absolutely disgusted that a major party candidate for our party bowed down before

George Bush and gave him power to kill a million people with impunity.

[stevenleser]

141. Your attack doesn't work. DI supports O'Malley, not Hillary.

[rhett o rick]

143. How does that affect my post. We were all stating what disgusts us.

O'Malley doesn't disgust me. Clinton's close ties to Bush does.

And that rude emoticon is so last month. Didn't you get the memo?

[roguevalley]

81. Tularetom, BA-ZING!

[stevenleser]

140. Nope, Fail. It might be a "Ba-Zing" if DI was a Hillary supporter. LOL, he supports O'Malley.

[roguevalley]

146. :D

[jfern]

7. West still voted for Obama after said comments

[beam me up scottie]

8. Were you equally disgusted and humiliated when Obama went on tour with Donnie McClurkin?

Obama and McClurkin: Two for Which Road?

Under siege by the seemingly unstoppable Sen. Clinton, is Senator Obama's campaign heading toward incoherence?

The same man who's worked hard, even bravely, to bring open but tolerant religiosity to Democratic politics, who ventured into Christian, hard right territory for an AIDS conference at Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback church, who underwent a public AIDS test there to help de-stigmatize the disease in black eyes and who surely has heard about the black church's newfound dedication to combatting AIDS - that guy is barnstorming with Donnie McClurkin, gospel star, pastor to the black elite and crusading homophobe? What on earth is he thinking? Like Bill Clinton in his day, Obama is supposed to be the smartest, most intellectual guy in the bunch but this move is dumb as a rock, transparent as Britney Spears' clothes, cynical and desperate. Times are hard for a former super star whose best case scenario now is to argue sloppy staff work.

Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama ripped a page straight from the Bush campaign playbook with his announced upcoming three date barnstorm tour through South Carolina with notorious gay basher, gospel singer Donnie McClurkin. The Grammy winning black gospel singer's last effort on the political scene was his song and shill for Bush's reelection at the Republican National Convention in 2004. Obama has hitched his string to McClurkin's high flying gay bash kite in part out of religious belief (he purports to be somewhat of an evangelical), in bigger part because he's falling further and further behind Hillary Clinton with the black vote in South Carolina and everywhere else, and in the biggest part of all because he hopes that what worked for Bush's reelection will work for him. Enter McClurkin. He's black, he's popular, and gospel plays big with blacks in South Carolina, especially black evangelicals, and many of them openly and even more of them quietly loathe gays.

Perhaps like this minister who also practices restorative, religious 'therapy' to cure gays who said in defense of McClurkin: "Telling any child that he or she is born gay and cannot change is a death sentence. Gay activists and their blind allies in the mental health, medical and educational professions have blood on their hands for condemning young people to a life mined with such suffering and disease."

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2007/10/obama-and-mcclurkin-two-which-road

[arcane1]

11. His choice of Rick Warren was excused by many as well n/t

[beam me up scottie]

14. Of course it was. Some people are very selective with their outrage.

[rhett o rick]

25. I am particularly pissed at the choice of Rick Warren. I believe it was purposefully intended

as a slap in the face of the Left. Obama couldn't even wait until after his inauguration to start leaping to the Right.

[Drunken Irishman]

27. I could take this as Bernie not waiting to even get elected to going after the support of racists?

[arcane1]

33. The black guy who is racist against black people? Is this a Dave Chappel skit?

Keep on playing that race card! Divide!

[beam me up scottie]

38. How many people there today were racists?

[thereismore]

156. Good point. A picture is worth yada yada yada. nt

[rhett o rick]

63. You can and will take it how it makes you feel good about yourself. But you calling him

a racist doesn't make it so.

[Bluenorthwest]

114. Links to posts in which you exhaustively defend the McClurkin crap and attack LGBT people for

daring to take issue with it. Giant hypocrisy on your part. Clearly you do not see LGBT as equals to straight people as you excuse those who openly attack us.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3689912#3690577

More mocking our objections to being subjected to hate preacher Rick Warren, who had just called us all pedophiles on TV. It was very amusing to you, this is impossible to forget having seen it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8104134#8104162

Here you mock straight allies for daring to object to Rick Warren in the most kindly way. Your entire cohort is in all of those threads, strongly taking the position that openly denigrating speech is acceptable as a political modality if it is aimed at LGBT. Not if it is aimed at those you count as real humans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8068612#8068681

As a fun 2016 bonus, here is you from 2008, taking a pot shot at LGBT for complimenting Hillary Clinton for taking part in LGBT events:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8018979#8019015

[beam me up scottie]

122. Excellent work, Bluenorthwest!

If the op hadn't been locked out of his own thread I'm sure he'd have an explanation for his hypocrisy.

[demmiblue]

123. As a woman, I find this rather offensive:

Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:40 PM
Response to Original message
18. Drunken to Hathaway: Explain Ella Enchanted.

scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. I actually like that one


I wish some fairy god mothers would put a "curse" on my kids to force them to obey.

Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. Ella Enchanted? Really?

It's a retelling of Cinderella. And it's actually full of social activism (Elf and Giant civil rights, for example). It's very similar to the version of Snow White that's really about the Welsh miners striking with the Evil Queen symbolizing the abuses of the Queen of England.

Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #26
51. It's lame.

scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. Admit it, though... you would love to go on a date with a beautiful girl who is forced to obey.....


....

Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #52
56. Isn't that every guy's dream?

[appalachiablue]

145. Whoa, this is really something. Appreciate the links.

[ancianita]

173. Thank you. Provocation backed by careless words doesn't pass for analysis at any level.

[senz]

125. I think it was an attempt to repair the divisions that cripple this country.

Obama seemed to think that was possible, back then. His tactic was to try to draw them in, to include them. It failed. Bernie's tactic is smarter: he appeals to a deeper truth, the common threat to working people of all political persuasions. He is far more experienced, sophisticated and courageous than Obama -- but that is not to say that Obama actually sympathizes with the Right; he just doesn't (or didn't) know how to deal with them. We need to be careful when attributing motives. BTW, rhett o rick, you are one of the people I most respect on DU.

[rhett o rick]

138. I respectfully disagree. He could have waited a while and said thanks to the Left for their

support, but no he struck at the Left with Rick Warren and then again and again. Dean, Van Jones, ACORN, Rahm, etc. And almost all of his appointments were not just middle of the road, they were conservatives. That's going too far to just be reaching out.

" We need to be careful when attributing motives." I agree and I do go around with a sizable chip on my shoulder. But Obama's so-so attitude on torture sits very badly with me. His drone kills with a 100 to 1, innocent kills to "suspect" kills also sits badly. Without droning (no pun intended) on I will include fracking and the TPP as disappointments.

[Drunken Irishman]

19. Yes I was.

And I'm glad that Obama stopped doing that.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Link?

Surely you penned an op about how vile and despicable it was for Obama to campaign with bigots.

[Capt. Obvious]

148. Did he PM you the link I hope?

[beam me up scottie]

149. You mean after he was "silenced" by Bernie Underground?

Nope, haven't heard a peep.

[Capt. Obvious]

152. The Bernlerters are out in force

Now they're targeting the Irish.

[beam me up scottie]

153. LOLOLOLOL!!!

You owe me a new keyboard and you made me scare my dog.

[JackInGreen]

180. We tend to target our own

When they act like the piggies.

[Puglover]

164. "Silenced."

New DU speak for a hidden post. Sometimes earned. Sometimes not.

Aung San Suu Kyi was silenced. The hyperbolic nonsense burns.

[beam me up scottie]

165. As are the atheist bloggers in Bangladesh.

Some DUers use the alert function to get even with people they don't like and sometimes the jury gets it wrong.

But DUers on a timeout can't put all the blame on others.

I owned my two hides, one was fair the other wasn't, but I made those posts and took my chances.

Everyone needs to dial it back, me included.

[AlbertCat]

185. "Silenced."

Hiding a post ENSURES that it will be read.

[treestar]

169. Were you ?

If disgusted then, why aren't you disgusted now?

[beam me up scottie]

170. Yes, I was.

And I am not going to lecture AAs about which members of their community they should and shouldn't be offended by.

Why are you?

[Autumn]

15. Alrighty then. I feel your pain. I kind of felt like that when Obama picked

Rick Warren to offer the invocation at his presidential inauguration and hung out with that homophobic McCluck ern And then again when Obama appointed Geithner, Summers and Jamie Dimon. I would rather Obama had appointed any republican on the right over those men who crashed the economy and caused billions of dollars in losses to Americans. I really got offended at Dimon whipping votes on the Senate floor at Obamas behest for the Omnibus bill.

Strangely enough I don't have a problem with Cornel West, he's entitled to his opinion about Obama just as you are.

[Drunken Irishman]

20. Yes. Geitner and Summers are the same as a racist POS like West.

I'm glad you don't have a problem with someone who calls Obama the first niggerized president. Maybe you agree?

[Autumn]

29. I suppose Warren and McClerken, a couple of raging homophobic bigots were just fine with you?

See how that works? Geitner and Summers were piss poor choices by a President who offered "change".

[rhett o rick]

57. I think your priorities are out of whack. You seem to be upset at a person

that called Obama names more than concerned about the 22% of American Children living in poverty, our vets living on the streets and Seniors facing SS cuts, and jobs leaving the country and foodstamps being eliminated. The last couple of decades have seen Wall Street steal our wealth which literally leads to untimely deaths. None of these problems will be fixed if we elect another billionaire backed candidate.

[LWolf]

61. West said,

"A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy," West explained. "So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/22/cornel_west_on_obama_the_first_black_president_has_become_the_first_niggerized_black_president.html

Now, I'm not an expert on the use of the word "nigger." I have made sure not to use it myself since 1964, when, at the age of 4, I heard someone say it and repeated it.

My white mother, who didn't believe in spanking, leaned down, nose to nose, and said, grimly, "We don't use that word. You will never again use that word. We don't hate." So I haven't.

I admit to being confused when it was first explained to me that "nigger" was okay when used by a black person. I think I was upset by one of my students repeating one of his favorite raps a couple of decades ago. I know this is not a universal understanding even among African Americans, and since I am white, I'll leave that up to the black community to resolve.

http://africanamericanenglish.com/2010/09/10/the-n-word-who-you-callin-a/

I DO know, however, the difference between denotation and connotation. I do know the careful use of powerful words to communicate. What I see in this quote is a criticism of Obama for not using the power of his position to dismantle institutionalized racism. A scathing criticism, to be sure. For those who gave their hope for racial justice into his care, such a deeply personal and devastating national condition, I really understand feelings of betrayal. It takes some courage to voice it publicly, since there is also an urgent need to support the first black president.

Agree or disagree with the criticism; from my perspective, I don't see that as a racist use of the word. I do admit to still, 51 years later, feeling the shudder of revulsion and residual panic that my mother's uncharacteristically harsh words to me engendered.

As a matter of fact, it looks to me like West was out ahead of the BLM curve. But that's just me. I'm sorry that it bothers you.

[Autumn]

72. I admit I don't know much of Dr. West and when DI told me that he had said

that about Obama it concerned me, thank you so much for your explanation and the links. You cleared that up for me and I like the fact that I can trust Bernie's judgment and that of so many of his supporters. Thank you again.

[GitRDun]

73. I really like your perspective on this.

I've stayed out of these Cornell West threads, for the most part because when I've heard him speak about the President, he's usually negative..pretty angry. I've never felt like I understood where he's coming from.

I agree with you that when you read the full quote, it's a cogent argument, can understand the anger. I would counter his thoughts with the statement that it's like asking Jackie Robinson to end racism in baseball..it's unrealistic expectations, especially since the President never really had 60 Senate votes on his side.

That aside, it's just the use of the word "niggerized" that's remains troubling...but I'm white. My cultural view of the world may be why it bothers me.

[beam me up scottie]

75. Thanks for adding context and perspective.

I have stayed out of the West threads because he is such a polarizing figure but the op really was out of line when he called his supporters racists.

[Lordquinton]

88. No wonder the OP didn't want to include the quote

Cause he's claiming West is racist for saying Obama isn't standing up to white supremacy... wat?

West is a professor of African American studies, he probably meant something specific with those words, so you'd have to research what he meant.

Actually clicking on the link will show you exactly what he meant:

"A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy," West explained. "So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie."

So basically OP is a deceptive piece of horse hockey, esp. when you consider that a white person (I'm assuming with an offensive name like he has) is trying to claim a black person is racist for using that word, it's really comical, like someone above us said "Is this an episode of the Chappele show?"

[GitRDun]

99. Have you read this article?

It paints a different picture of West's motives...the angry guy I have always seen on TV....except more petty than righteous.

As I said in my other comment, I've never been sure of what to make of West.

http://www.thenation.com/article/cornel-west-v-barack-obama/

[LWolf]

127. No, but I will.

I don't know what to make of him either; I don't know enough about him overall.

I just know that the specific accusation in the OP needs context.

Thanks for the link.

[senz]

111. Very thoughtful response.

It sounds like West was saying he considers Obama something of an Uncle Tom. As you say, he was not being the least bit racist; he was standing up for AAs against White Supremacists.

[Martin Eden]

115. Rec x100

[ancianita]

174. Great! Thanks. Every last thing you've said here is correct, including your mother's words.

[roguevalley]

84. Obama's belief that going along with the GOP who are the Klan without hoods for six

years and not getting it that they want in their hearts to lynch him is worthy of outrage. What about that?

[orpupilofnature57]

85. And that isn't being a racist, that's calling it what it is, BAIT & Switch, and because the

person that did it was African American people who identify what has taken place, are not racists, and though Cornel West was offensive he was neither wrong in his accusations or a racist

[Autumn]

94. There was a wonderful post down thread that really cleared up what Dr. West said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251588259#post61

It was a great interview. Short but sweet.

[HooptieWagon]

22. Nothing like faux poutrage for Sat nite lolz.

[arcane1]

34. Who says we don't manufacture anything in America anymore? Synthetic outrage is booming!

[Lordquinton]

89. Thread winner right here

I want that on a bumper sticker.

[Puglover]

95. I wonder sometimes

If posters are aware that their posting history is a matter of record on DU.

It would seem not.

[Puzzledtraveller]

96. I know

I don't think I can dredge up that amount of disgust if I tried.

[cherokeeprogressive]

101. And to think...

People say I post stupid shit.

[Report1212]

23. The head of the Charleston Democratic Party praised Bernie for getting Wests's support

Although he might lose your support, getting power players like that on your side is helpful. So sorry

[azmom]

37. I'm confused by your use of the term racist.

Do you believe West is anti-black or anti-white?

[beam me up scottie]

39. I am too, does the op think the people who heard him speak today were racists?

[morningfog]

43. Don't wait up. OP is blocked from the thread.

[beam me up scottie]

48. Oops. Should have quit when he was behind I guess.

[rhett o rick]

80. I would love to hear from the three jurists that thought "whore himself out"

was acceptable. I bet we'd be surprised.

[beam me up scottie]

86. I think GD P is numbing jurors to despicable claims like that.

Nothing wrong with calling pols corporate whores, etc but claiming Bernie is whoring himself out to racists when the crowd was full of black people who support West is insane.

And calling West a racist is even worse.

[arcane1]

49. It would've gone unanswered anyway n/t

[morningfog]

30. Lol, that's a lot of disgust. Take a tums.

You'll be alright.

[Cheese Sandwich]

31. Not me. I'm a big fan of Dr. West. He's a true leader.

He says whatever is on his mind whether it's popular or not.

He's been a real leader on many of these issues like against stop and frisk and ending mass incarceration.

He was there during Occupy Wall St., in the DSA, and he was a leader in organizing a grass-roots network that helped fuel the civil rights uprisings in the past few years.

I understand he insulted the president but hey shit happens.

[virtualobserver]

45. He speaks very directly and truthfully

no wonder he and Bernie are friends.

[azmom]

46. Did you know that West originally was not

going to endorse Bernie because of the Palestinian issue. I'm glad he changed his mind.

[Cheese Sandwich]

60. That totally makes sense. I share his concerns on that too.

But we do have to look at the big picture. But I've talked to so many people on the independent left who just won't support Sanders because they think he'll be too much for Israel. In other words they think he'll be too much like the Democrats and Republicans. But having read and listened a little I actually think he'll be more fair and helpful to the Palestinian cause than any other candidate.

[azmom]

69. Do they Normally participate

In elections?

[Cheese Sandwich]

71. Yeah, it's a mixed bag.

But some of the Green Party people and some socialists who think Sanders is just another imperialist.

It seems like a lot of people to me but probably it's really a tiny number like less than 1% of voters.

[840high]

70. He tells the truth.

[artislife]

93. During the 2008 I belonged to a mainly AA blog and forum

which sadly turned into kind of a twitter account and the chasm between those who were not sure of Obama because he wasn't the son of slaves, the ones that weren't sure of him because he was raised by a white mother, the ones who were afraid because of his time spent in a Muslim country, the ones who didn't want such a practicing Christian, the ones who thought he promised too much, the ones who thought he promised too little, the ones who thought the group should stick with Hillary because they didn't trust the nation to elect a PoC, the ones who clutched their pearls, the ones who got active...

Balanced by those who were excited that he was half African, that he had lived a biracial life, that he had traveled and had a sister with a different biracial make up, that he was a practicing Christian, that he was embraced by other minorities, other white people, that dog whistle of the Clintons forever sealing their fate with some, the one who felt empowered, emboldened , inspired

What I am trying to relate, is that the community has no one viewpoint on any one topic. There are many who haven't forgiven West and those who haven't forgiven Obama for not pushing harder for the community. And a wide, wide, wide spectrum between these two stands.

[virtualobserver]

35. explain to me how Dr. West is a racist

I've read his words.....I saw no racism there.

[morningfog]

42. It's because the OP is an Obama devotee.

Any criticism is intolerable and probably racist.

[virtualobserver]

54. Yeah, but his criticism was that Obama hadn't done enough to combat racism.....

The term that he used to describe the President was hardly a compliment, but to call it racist is bewildering.

[arcane1]

56. The Plan was to have Sanders dismissed as a grumpy racist long before now, well before the debates.

They're getting desperate now, because the Plan isn't working as hoped.

[morningfog]

59. Yeah, it's silly and unfounded. They don't know what they are talking about.

[awoke_in_2003]

90. Because if the 08 primaries taught us anything...

anyone who says something against Obama is a racist, and anyone who says something against Clinton is a sexist. Make sense?

[Mass]

44. Is that an episode of the Twilight Zone?

For a moment, I thought Alan West had endorsed Sanders, which would have been surprising and shocking, but West and Sanders agree on politics. They both care about POOR people and not only the elusive middle class.

And frankly, while Cornell West can be provocative, racist is hardly a term that describes it.

For those who are as puzzled as I am by this epithet, here is the reference :
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/06/cornel-west-obama-first-niggerized-black

It is obviously critical of Obama's treatment of these issues, so people can agree or disagree with Cornel West, but calling this statement racist is kind of weird.

[morningfog]

52. Only a cultural idiot would think Cornel West a racist.

I mean, that is some through the looking glass pretzel double thought. Hilarious though.

[bvar22]

47. UnRec.

Way too much Bullshit for one OP.
Sounds like a personal problem to me.

I started to PM the Admin to see if they would lock this thread,
but then decided to leave it.
It perfectly exposes the author of the OP for what he is.
I'm going to come back and kick this back to the top for a few days.
Everyone should see this disgusting piece of work.

[bvf]

50. You'll feel better after a good night's sleep. n/t

[Truprogressive85]

51. As a black man and as a person who voted for Obama , I feel he did loose touch

Politics is not fairy dust, and the truth is not pretty

To call Dr. West a racist offensive to me , and shows that maybe you need to check your privilege

[azmom]

58. Yep, the truth is not pretty. N/T

[rhett o rick]

66. I agree with you. Some use the racist card for their own agenda. And others see that as racist.

I do not believe the OP author is racist and I don't think the good Dr. West is either.

[restorefreedom]

53. absolutely disgusted that a major party candidate

takes money from corporate tax cheats amd claims to be for the middle class.

[Hissyspit]

55. Meh. I'm fine with it.

[TheFarS1de]

64. I guess when your out of policy ideas that resonate ..

racial attacks are all you have left . Sad to see . Enjoy holding someone in total contempt after a lifetime of helping others over one incident .

[Warren DeMontague]

65. Oh, the drama

[Doctor_J]

68. And I'm absolutely discgusted that a major party candidate accepts private prison support

And those people are a lot more racist than Cornel West, a lifelong civial rights activist. nah nah nah nah

[rhett o rick]

74. Absolutely disgusted that a major party candidate for our party accepts cash for her

personal bank account from Goldman-Sachs-of-Gold, the worst of the worse and then pretends she is an advocate for the people.

[Ron Green]

77. This OP really sucks.

You continue to use the word "racist" as if everyone has precisely the same definition for it, which of course we don't.

Dr. Cornel West is an important voice, and to impugn him as you have with a poorly-defined slur and then post again and again with essentially nothing to back it up is just a big steaming pile. In my opinion.

[L0oniX]

82. Bwahahahaha ...yep now that West is for Bernie he's under the Hillary bus. Got it.

[Bonobo]

97. A calculating politician, a coward WOULD INDEED turn away from Cornel West.

It is more proof of Bernie Sanders authenticity and unshakeable convictions.

And courage, oh yes, his courage.

Unlike the political weathervane.

[NorthCarolina]

98. Of course, if West was stumping for Hillary...well then

that would be a horse of a different color I'm sure.

[cherokeeprogressive]

100. Wrong kind of black man?

"a racist like West." You must not post on DU much. If you did, you'd know that blacks cannot be racist.

[Rose Siding]

103. It's enough to doom him in the general

-not that we really need to worry about that.

[wyldwolf]

119. Exactly.If you were Obama and one of the people campaigning for your job was hanging with West...

... and they'd both said these things... who would you be endorsing?

[Ron Green]

134. Nice. Did you make up this ad?

This is exactly the kind of thing Bernie's talking about moving away from.

Middle-school campaign ads.

[Teamster Jeff]

104. Oh, the DRAMA of it all!

[Barky Bark]

105. I am reminded of this clip....

[SouthernProgressive]

106. Might be bigger than some are thinking.

By tomorrow there will be captioned videos connecting Sanders to his words about Obama. His disgusting comments aren't innocuous like some think. They aren't going to go over well. It is also PAC material. They just don't get how small the percentage of people who respect Wests comments is when compared to those who are disgusted by them. When the comments he made about the first black President are read when associated with Sanders it won't be forgotten. Most people don't know West as we do. There will be no benefit of the doubt.

[bullwinkle428]

107. West is a "racist" in the same way that Jon Stewart is an "anti-Semite".

At least according to some in the right-wing media.

[senz]

112. Cornel West is not at all racist toward Obama. You misunderstood what he said.

Bernie is being very pro-AA in aligning with West.

We do not need any more of these false accusations of racism directed against Bernie Sanders.

[wyldwolf]

118. And you should know because you're either his spokesperson or psychic.

[senz]

124. No. I read what he actually said. You, apparently, did not.

[Scuba]

113. Fail.

[Bluenorthwest]

116. The OP as a white straight person certainly found it acceptable to have Rick Warren and Donnie

McClurkin involved with Obama events, both of those men have said in the media horrible, bigoted things about millions of Americans, they denigrate an entire community for their own advancement and agenda, and the OP was happy to find excuses and mitigations for those men being involved.

McClurkin had, on 700 Club, called for war against gay people 'the gloves must come off, they are trying to kill our children'.

Rick Warren, just before the inaugural, on TV equated all same sex relationships to pedophilia and incest.

The OP found excuses for those guys and was aggressively critical of LGBT persons and allies who objected to that hate speech being legitimized by the Democratic Party and Barack Obama.
No one has ever apologized for those events. No one has said that Donnie's war against is has been called off.
But that's all fine to the OP and the dozens of Warren and McClurkin defenders on DU.

[wyldwolf]

117. Just remember - Sanders (and West, I'm assuming) are NOT Democrats

West's words and his association with Sanders are a gift to the Clinton campaign.

[senz]

126. Sanders is to the left of conservadems. He's more democrat than Democrat.

You don't know West's political affiliation, so it's silly to just blurt out what you assume it is. West and Sanders are both true friends to AAs. You apparently want to muddy the whole thing to try to get a "gift" for the Clinton campaign. If Hillary's chances depend on negative campaigning against her competitors, then she doesn't have much going for her.

[senz]

133. Aw, that is really ugly. Shows extreme desperation.

I feel sorry for whoever jammed together those quotes, all taken out of context. Someone's at the end of their rope. Anyone with half a brain can see through that kind of mud-slinging. Now I know what they mean about some Hillary supporters.

Sorry you're so afraid of Bernie Sanders, wyldwolf. Fear and hatred hurt the person who feels them. Try to relax a little more, 'kay?

[Autumn]

120. I am delighted that Dr. West supports Bernie Sanders.

[SidDithers]

121. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Fawke Em]

128. The average voter doesn't see it that way.

Spruill said he wasn’t particularly concerned about West’s criticism of Obama, suggesting it was different to criticize a sitting president than someone still aspiring to the job. As for Obama, “he hasn’t done a perfect job, but he’s been a good president."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cornel-west-joins-bernie-sanders-on-the-campaign-trail-in-south-carolina/2015/09/12/bc9b4236-58c2-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html

[DisgustipatedinCA]

136. Then don't vote for him. But make sure you stay the hell out of the way in the General.

Let me know if you have follow-up questions.

[mhatrw]

139. I'm disgusted that you do not support Cornel West.

Attack him on the issues.

Go ahead.

Lay it out there. On which issues that the two differ do you personally favor Obama over West?

[uponit7771]

144. But but... West feels the "Bern"

[McCamy Taylor]

147. West is a socialist. Nice that the socialists are supporting a socialist candidate.

Now, can I hear about Sander's Democratic supporters?

[LondonReign2]

150. Absolutely disgusted one accepts Blankfein's, Dimon's, and Kissenger's support

[valerief]

157. Thank you for your concern.

[orpupilofnature57]

158. How about Hillary excepting money from Misanthropic industries, that have you outraged ?? Come off

it .

[closeupready]

163. Uh-huh. Sure you are.

[DCBob]

166. Sorry.... Saint Bernard can do no wrong.

[backscatter712]

167. Oh noes! Cornell West said something uppity!

Why that disturbs the tranquillity of Plantation America. Can't have that...

[MrMickeysMom]

168. I'm also disgusted...

with posts like this one.

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[beam me up scottie]

171. WHAT THE FUCK???

When you want to lecture others about bigotry you'd damned well better make sure your own house is in order.

He should have been banned for that disgusting misogynistic post.




I fully expect every DUer who defended the op to call him out for it.

But I won't hold my breath.

Hypocrisy abounds in GD P.

[Eleanors38]

177. And to think, Al Gore ain't running either

[ancianita]

172. This is divisive, anti-democratic crap. To dis Cornel West is to undermine Bernie Sanders.

You are purposefully provoking the ire of those in DU who have already posted and thought through your glib attack here in thread after thread -- people who have already sorted out the contexts of his words and Sanders' decision to work with him and other African Americans nationwide.

Just what is your agenda. You are too dismissive of the fact that Cornel West -- as Bernie Sanders well knows -- has national recognition within and without the nation's academies. African American communities all over the nation hail him as a voice for their interests along with Barack Obama's.

Anyone who's been on DU at all over the last few weeks knows that you show a willful ignorance -- not only of the definition of "racist," -- but of Cornel West's rightful place in the well-known African American academic and religious tradition of self-critique, as in the black community's self critique.

Obama has called him "an oracle," a "loving person." Even Barack Obama knows what Cornel West's role is and why he's said what he's said about oligarchic influence on Obama as president.

[Scruffy1]

175. You are in the wrong party

There has been quite a few parties where speaking ill of the leader will end up with a short swim in the crocadile river, the gulag, or a firing squad. Thank God the Democratic Party of the USA isn't one of them. All leaders deserve criticism and it's a fundamental part of politics. I admire Mr. West for speaking his mind and Bernie for not being afraid of him. Hell, were Democrats, not an organized party like the fascists.

[TheKentuckian]

179. West is about a hundred trillion times more valuable and wise than a gaggle of banksters, neocons,

corporate taint lickers, drug warriors, and out of touch moneybags.

West has been a hell of a lot more right than wrong over the years that I can recall.