New CBS Poll: Sanders up by 10 in Iowa and by 22 in New Hampshire

[Fawke Em]

Still lagging in South Carolina, but he's just started opening campaign headquarters there. The fact he's only down by 23 there gives me a lot of hope. It's a job, but if he gets both NH and Iowa, the press coverage will change and help bolster him more.





http://www.cbsnews.com/news/battleground-tracker-sanders-surges-in-ia-nh-clinton-up-in-sc/

[CanadaexPat]

1. Simply amazing.

[reformist2]

63. Yet. It's making me nervous, though, wondering when the establishment will strike back...

[Bubzer]

83. Dont be nervous. We know its going to happen. Just expect it.

And when it happens, we'll simply band together and support one another!

[mhatrw]

147. The Empire Strikes Back

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That will be the name of the second movie in this trilogy.

[Yurovsky]

154. But in the third movie...

Didn't the rebels & the teddy bears beat the Empire?

It is critical that the supporters of true, fundamental change don't go all squishy when the Empire unleashes billions in Wall Street blood money.

Stay focused, stay positive, and win.

[demwing]

178. Hey, I LOVE that movie. My favorite line...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. Not all that amazing...been predicting this for months.

[mahina]

165. Let's not kid ourselves though, the system is def. planning to take him down. We can NOT let them.

He will not be Yearrrrghhhhed. We've got to be ready for that- ideally we should have a flash response ready for whatever they're likely to sic on him, and innoculate his message from it in advance.

In addition to everything we all love him for, his stance on public funding of campaigns is a billion dollar risk to the MSM who gets all that money now. We have to know they will use the tools at their disposal to prevent that.

He's really our only hope and I think God for him and all his supporters every day.

I know he's going to win, if people hear his message. Silencing him is already not working

He is absolutely the best of us. Aloha no Bernie!

[Trajan]

2. Wow ... Just wow ...

This will put a few knickers in a tight twist ...

Amazing indeed ....

Hell ... look at NH .... Geez .... This is huge ...

[questionseverything]

37. somebody pinch me..i gotta be dreaming

[roguevalley]

50. there's a thirst out there and he's the water. :D

[wendylaroux]

66. a thirst and a fever!

[HooptieWagon]

78. Lol! +1000

[Bubzer]

85. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

113. haha...yessss!

[Matariki]

174. HA!

[ram2008]

3. Holy shit!! Hillary cannot sustain two losses by that amount

Nor the next round of press about this poll.

Absolutely nuts, she's cratering. Wow was not expecting this.

[pa28]

103. It's one thing to lose. Another to get clobbered by those margins.

If she's that weak against a candidate who refuses to attack her what's going to happen when she faces billions in super-pac attack ads during the general election?

She'll be exposed as too vulnerable to be the nominee in Iowa and N.H.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

120. Hillary is so done...she's no match for Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[jfern]

162. Bernie will win the first 2

Hillary will stay in and win some later states.

[LondonReign2]

201. It's the tust and integrity factor

When the first word that people associate with you is "liar", whether that is reality or not, you have no hope of winning.

[beam me up scottie]

4. Wow.

Rock on, Bernie!

[Bubzer]

86. Right?!? Awesome news!

[beam me up scottie]

91. It really is!

Today is a good day!

[Bubzer]

94. Yes it is!

[HooptieWagon]

5. This by WoM and social media.

Sanders has gotten little M$M coverage, and can't afford ad buys. It's a true people-powered campaign that's steam-rolling the Wall Street backed candidate.

[Hollingsworth]

22. That is so true. The people are speaking, loudly!

Got to love it. This is the way.

[stillwaiting]

56. Bottoms up >>>> Top Down. nt

[arcane1]

127. Yep, the maxim that one must spend more to get more isn't holding up, it seems.

[HooptieWagon]

135. There are several factors involved.

First, the major expense driving previous campaigns was TV ads. There is only so much ad-time that can be bought, and over-saturation occurs long before then, when people start to get turned off by ads. Also, TV viewership is down, especially among the younger generations. Internet is nearly free, and the Sanders campaign is doing an amazing job online.
Secondly, Clinton spends an inordinate amount of money on her consultants and entourage, that Bernie simply doesn't need.
So the result is that Sanders is getting far more bang for the buck than Clinton, who's still trying to run a 1992 campaign.

[SheilaT]

195. I am one of those, and we're a tiny number I know,

who doesn't have a TV, and so therefore I NEVER see any advertising of any kind. Which is especially wonderful in Presidential election years, since I don't have to see all of those adverts.

But more to the point, I get to decide who I want to vote for without any of the ads that try to tell me how truly awful some candidate is. I sincerely wish more people did without TV so as to experience this.

[marym625]

6. K&R!

Truth, records, consistency and fighting for the people resonates.

Senator Bernie Sanders will be our next President.

[AtomicKitten]

7. brick by brick ...

[litlbilly]

11. Cenk on tyt said Bernie's national numbers would get better after he wins IA and NH, wow was he

wrong. They are moving up before those 2 states. Just amazing indeed. I was at the Portland rally and I am not surprised at all. Look at what just happened in Britain. Its happening worldwide and no amount of Koch money can do anything about it. M$M has no clue what to do and I am giddy watching them try and ignore Bernie.

[magical thyme]

19. Cenk is wrong. His #s are low because he's unknown. As his outreach spreads, as word spreads

his numbers will get better and better.

It's still nearly 4 months before IA and NH.

The DNC must be crapping in their pants now. If Biden announces right now, he'll mostly split Clinton's vote. But if he doesn't announce soon, there won't be time to play catchup.

Biden is personable, but issues won't help him -- bankruptcy bill, author of Patriot Act, Iraq war vote. 3 big strikes against him.

[Indepatriot]

41. Joe's very unlikely to run. He all but confirmed that on Colbert the other night.

He said his heart and soul are just not where they need to be at this point in time. That could change, but I'd be stunned if he got in.

FEEEEEEEELIN THE BERN!!!!!

[Major Hogwash]

171. Yeah, I saw that.

I think it is too late for him to enter now.
But, he may still enter the race before Halloween.

[Fawke Em]

77. Here's that video.

Cenk is so giddy, it's adorable.

[cascadiance]

136. Biden is also liable for handling Thomas confirmation hearings regarding Anita Hill...

... won't win him support from women much there.

Bankruptcy bill is still the biggest problem for me with all of the heavy credit card interest rates that many of us are stuck with today.

Also, the more that millennials discover that their huge college debts specifically can't be discharged through bankruptcy now with that bill in place, the more they won't like him as well.

I think it was largely due to him being a "Delaware" senator that had a state full of "Delaware companies" who were buying influence to ensure that things were still rigged for them in this bill. It's too bad that he wasn't representing another state, where perhaps he wouldn't have been under as much pressure to push that mess through. I do think Biden is a better person than many of the corporatist Democrats on Capitol Hill, but he doesn't have the strength of senators like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren to take them on, instead of working with these bad influences, and therefore isn't the leader we need when a political revolution that Bernie Sanders mentions in his campaign is SO needed now!

[LWolf]

18. Yes. nt

[cantbeserious]

8. The Message Is Spreading - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie

eom

[SoLeftIAmRight]

10. We have a real choice this time

I know what I am going to do

[cantbeserious]

12. Finally - The People Have Choice - I Will Not Waste Mine

eom

[Bubzer]

89. +1

[Catherina]

9. Ouch. FeelTheBern! Raises for Hillary's entire campaign staff

They're doing an outstanding job.

[Fawke Em]

14. LOL!!!

[Zorra]

146. The least we can do is pitch in and buy each of them a symbolic rose. nt

[hedda_foil]

13. And this, after Hillary has spent plenty on "sweetness and light" tv commercials in NH and IA.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

122. Hillary would do better flushing all that cash down the toilet...

the more people hear from Hillary, the less they like. Go Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[litlbilly]

15. If Bernie can persuade Elizabeth to join his ticket, they will win by 20 points, maybe 25

I picked Elizabeth to be our first female pres 4 years ago, and I'm sticking with that. Bernie can't be stopped and I know the media is freaking out, and if Elizabeth is there with him, yikes. Will be fun to watch.

[Le Taz Hot]

23. Warren needs to stay in the Senate

for the time being and lead the progressives. Besides, having two people on the ticket from the same area of the country is not good strategy. I'd rather see him going with someone like Barbara Lee and getting an endorsement from Warren. That would be "yuge."

[litlbilly]

24. Barbara Lee would be quite good. Just thinking big, I know we need her in the senate but, as VP,

the ticket would just be amazing. I can dream...

[Le Taz Hot]

28. If Hillary manages to get the nomination,

the Republicans win in 2016 and we can run Warren for 2020.

[daleanime]

197. It's a good dream.....

and who knows?

[jomin41]

90. Warren needs to stay in the Senate...

Just wanted to reiterate, Le Taz Hot! She would be wasted as VP.

[cascadiance]

139. I wouldn't mind Merkley as his running mate, but that depends on whether Schumer is allowed...

... to take over the Senate Majority leadership position for the Dems. Personally, I'd like someone like Merkley in charge (though he's not got the seniority probably for that to happen), since he's the one that has pushed for filibuster reform the last two congresses where we really needed it to prevent Republican obstruction then. But if he's far away from that, and Warren isn't available for VP, then Merkley would be good for me.

With Schumer's vote on the Iran deal, I'd like to think he might be vulnerable to a challenge for his presumed leadership, from a senate majority in 2016 (if we can push out a lot of Republicans) that don't want more third way leadership holding back progressive Democrats then.

People will say that we should keep Merkley in the Senate too, but I'd like states like Massachusetts and Oregon have the chance to push more of their successful progressive politicians up the ladder so that they can help more younger progressives get elected and build more progressive politicians with experience in congress that we sorely need too. If Bernie picks a senator for his running mate, take one from a state where the state will likely replace them with another decent progressive senator, so that we can grow the ranks of what is needed in this political revolution.

[mhatrw]

148. I want Warren as VP.

It would mitigate assassination risk as well as "too old" attacks.

[Le Taz Hot]

150. As VP she has NO power.

In the Senate she's leading the opposition and by opposition I mean the Vichy Dems.

[mhatrw]

158. We need a political revolution in Congress as well.

I don't want a compromise VP like LBJ. This is too important.

[Le Taz Hot]

160. I don't consider Barbara Lee as a compromise VP.

She flanks Bernie's position from the Left Coast and brings women and African-American votes with her.

[mhatrw]

163. You are right that she is no compromise.

I would be fine with her, but Warren is my first choice.

If anything happened to Bernie's health, Warren could run in 2020 and win. Lee might not be able to.

[demwing]

98. I'm going to keep beating the Jessie Jackson drum

these guys go way back, have very similar politics, and balance each other nicely

[Robbins]

111. If you look on wiki on Jesse's 1988 platform when he was running

there is a lot of similarity's between what both were running on.And Bernie did support him when he was running

[kenn3d]

16. And don't forget SC and the "southern states firewall"

The Iowa and NH numbers are very impressive, but perhaps even more importantly the SC trend lines are now following suit:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-south-carolina-presidential-democratic-primary

It will be most interesting to watch any impact this weekend's swing thru GA, SC, NC, and VA may produce, as this poll precedes any such effects.

[youceyec]

30. this

is all media driven. notice when she starts to decline? late july when media started this "anti-establishment" nonsense. Voters listen to what media tell them to care about. its that simple.

[litlbilly]

47. What media are you talking about? the M$M is ignoring him. too funny:) It is people driven just

like his entire campaign. You just keep trying.

[mhatrw]

151. LOL. More like the corporate media has BEEN driven off a cliff.

[L0oniX]

188. LMAO ...media is sooo last century.

[Fawke Em]

34. He's actually climbing in SC at a faster rate than he did in NH and Iowa.

[artislife]

61. Wow!

That is pretty impressive.

[book_worm]

49. You really don't think that if she loses Iowa and NH by double digits

that the media attention will not give Sanders a boost in SC and elsewhere?

[99Forever]

17. Heads will be exploding over at Camp Weathervane.

Oh my.

[Bubzer]

93. ...

[Luminous Animal]

20. Ah. That explains the new chorus of "Bernie supporters are poopie-heads" this morning.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. And yesterday - all day long

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All we saw were racially tinged posts. I knew there had to be a reason. Either to deflect attention from Bernie's rallies/fundraisers or there were poll numbers floating around they didn't like.

I notice that some kind of garbage always comes out right after Bernie has a 28,000 people rally, some new poll with Bernie in the lead or some other positive Bernie news. They just can't stand it. However, they have become predictable.

[Android3.14]

92. I saw that too

Pretty obvious that we have a large number of shills working the keyboards.

[Hollingsworth]

21. Impressive.

He works like a dog for it though. I appreciate that very much.

[Trajan]

59. Amen brother

He is out there ... Workin it hard ...

But here is the thing .. The more he gets out there, directly out there, the more his message gets out there, bypassing the suck ass corporate media, and directly to the ears that need to hear him ...

He needs to take some well earned breaks, though ...

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

25. Jesus, he gained 9 in IA and 13 in NH virtually overnight!

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. OMEFFINGGAWD!!!!!!!

Simply amazing! Really didn't expect this this soon, but am THRILLED to see these numbers!

Go Bernie, Go! I'm feelin' the Bern!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

27. Web is taking away votes from Clinton! He must go!

[beam me up scottie]

29. WHITE STATES! VOLVOS! SOCIALISTS!

What is wrong with these people???

Don't they read DU?

[bvf]

74. Surely this poll

had a 25% margin of error.

No?

Reverend Wright!! No!! That other guy!!

[beam me up scottie]

79. Look over there! SQUIRREL!!!

It's a good day to be a Bernista!

[bvf]

104. Yes, indeed!

"Squirrel!" has become a rallying cry around here lately.

[demwing]

179. LATTES, ELITES, INTELLECTUALS!

GAAAAA!

[beam me up scottie]

180. Hey I recognize that guy!

GET OFF DU'S LAWN BERNIE FANS!

[vadermike]

31. IMO

1. I'm calling it. Bernie vs trump looks like IMO
I could be wrong but I think the establishment in both parties has taken a dump. This election smells different. I think with all if the new polls today. Trump leading big time now in all early GOP primaries. Bernie now doing the same as a trending. iA NH and niw catching up in CA and SC. I think that Bernie would do well against the ZgOP .. I have GOP friends that support Bernie which way cool. This election is gonna be one for the ages. I think again the stablishment in both parties are shitting themselves this am and it's a good thing IMO. Long overdue

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. EVERYONE,

Democrats, Republicans, Independents, non-voters, Millennials, employed, unemployed, poor, Veterans...you name it, they're sick to death of the establishment.

When Congress has an approval rating of 11-14% - that should give them a clue that we are sick of their shit! Bernie has tapped into that and people are embracing him for it!

[appalachiablue]

64. +1. True that, and it forms a one mighty large front. Go Bernie Go!

[artislife]

65. We have to remember

Before April, most of the left of center didn't feel excited and the independents felt less unless they were Fundies--those guys feel like it is the best Christmas ever with choice.

Then Bernie met with Warren, I feel to make sure she wasn't running and announced. People started showing up in, at that time, record numbers of 1000.

How did they know, why did they come, and who are they?

They knew through social media, they wanted something more and they are feeling like it is now or never.

This is a grassroots movement. How did the Berlin Wall fall? How did the French Revolution? The Arab Spring?

Normal people who had ENOUGH.

There are way too many people who have always been on the last rung, those who never thought they would be and those who see a future that doesn't look as promising as their parent's future looked at their age.

It was just a matter of time.

[demwing]

183. You wanna see turn out with long coat tails?

Sander v Trump.

I predict Dem turnout will break every record ever set.

[Robbins]

48. What is going on

is revolt in both parties against the establishment.

In GOP Trump Is clear leader.runner up Is Carson.I believe as we get closer to primarys carson will drop some but i think people need to stop dismissing Idea of Trump winning nomination.the gop race is becoming trump insulting rest of field and tea party loving him and the others fight to be the not-trump candiate.so far that's Carson.It's just stunning how badly Bush and Walker are doing among republicans.

On our side the clinton campagin made 2 big mistakes.it should have delt with email story long before.and she acted like she had the nominationn and has been speaking like a general election candiate.

The MSM and Clinton campagin underestimated Bernie.2 stories people aren't talking about is Bernie is doing better than Obama was at this time In 2007.and the fact Bernie's lead In NH continues to grow.Hilary won NH In 2008,and at this time in 2007 Obama was
behind in both Iowa and NH.

Bernie has encourging poll results In SC and even California.

The momenturm here is with bernie.SC can go the way of Iowa.SC is all about getting better known.let's remember we haven't had any debates yet.Bernie will not attack Hilary on email or any of that crap.he will critze her on Issues.The Issues are why many people support Bernie over Hilary.Inless Biden jumps In the deabtes will really be battle between hilary and Bernie on Issues with O'Malley,Webb,and Chaffe trying to get a word in.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

116. It's the 'American Spring'.

We just are a little slower to toss out our repressive leaders than other countries.

[restorefreedom]

138. very apt way of putting it

I hope it catches on

this is our spring!

[Yallow]

193. The American Spring

Man I like that.

Who says the only folks that can overthrow corrupt asshole ran government live in North Africa.....

[colsohlibgal]

33. MSNBC

How will they ignore or try to spin this? Must see TV tomorrow.

Her connections to Wall Street, the Military Industrial Complex, and her scarlet letter vote on Cheney's insane unprovoked war.....well that is a lot of warning flags for the Hillary loyalists to ignore. That said they will doggedly try.

[Fawke Em]

40. What the hell has happened to that channel?

They've absolutely tanked since they got rid of their liberal talent. Didn't they see that coming?

MSNBC Wagner: EdShow: Sharpton: Matthews: Hayes: Maddow: O’Donnell:
54 44 71 174 134 172 134


MSNBC News: News: News: Matthews: Hayes: Maddow: O’Donnell:
19 49 52 111 128 191 121

[appalachiablue]

68. MSNBC doesn't care, they fired Donahue, Olbermann way before the recent purges.

Their owner Comcast is even more conservative than GE previously. But it's very stupid of them viewer wise since they've lost most all left followers now. Some here think MSNBC's hoping to fail so they can do a bankruptcy deal. Who knows.

[Fawke Em]

80. You'd think they'd care about ad revenue, if nothing else.

No eyeballs=no ad revenue.

I guess that's why some think they're aiming for a bankruptcy deal.

[appalachiablue]

87. Beats me, what they're up to. They produce no live news reporting and continue with

the prison lock up programming. Wild and weird!

[HereSince1628]

35. Really, didn't expect to read that today.

Wow.

[Fawke Em]

46. Happy Sunday!

[magical thyme]

36. SC reminder: just 6 weeks ago it was 78:8, per Huff Post!!! FEEL THE BERN!!!!

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-south-carolina-presidential-democratic-primary

[questionseverything]

110. what worries me about sc is there is virtually

no paper to count

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7899

Rawl has said he'd raised hundreds of thousands of dollars during the campaign, appeared at some 80 campaign events all across the state since March 1st, and had hundreds of campaign volunteers. By way of contrast, Greene didn't have a campaign website, had no volunteers, no campaign literature, and doesn't even own a computer or a cell phone.



and remember obama was 8 points ahead of hillary in 08 and LOST

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5535

[Stevepol]

166. Exactly!

And the Democratic Party of SC, after having an investigation of this primary result in which several computer experts told them that the odd result was almost certainly due to the machines, not necessarily malicious programming. Instead of calling for a new primary using paper, which would have been one of the most important events in the history of modern American so-called "democracy," the party met and voted AGAINST DOING ANYTHING. They just let the result stand. I could not believe this when it happened. If the Democratic Party in SC does not have the guts to stand up for democracy in a situation that is THIS OBVIOUS, what in God's name is the average person to do or think?

In SC and other states like KS and WI at present, it seems to me that the machines are pretty much routinely tilted however much they need to be tilted to insure that the Repub or the Repub favorite wins any election. The chance of anything being done to unmask the rigging is so slight and the rewards of rigging so great, that it's going to continue. And I'm afraid Bernie is very likely to discover this in this election. I'm hoping and praying it doesn't happen, but I have almost no evidence to suggest that it won't happen or that if it does, anybody will raise a finger to do what needs to be done to discover the rigging and those responsible for it.

Because there is either no possibility of having an "audit" or a fair "recount," or it is just not done. If we are going to use these confounded machines, we darned well should REQUIRE AN AUDIT and if the AUDIT shows the strong possibility that hanky panky has taken place, provision should be made for a COMPLETE RECOUNT.

If we are serious about democracy, we have got to VERIFY THE VOTE!!

[questionseverything]

181. if i lived in a state where machines were the only option i would request an absentee ballot

at least then there is something physical to count....getting the ptb to count them is a completely different story

the companies that make the machines are owned by 1%ers (everything is)

and the companies that report the results are all owned by 1%ers

optical scanners are not much better but theoretically the ballots could be counted

we need huge overwhelming numbers to win...and the greene case in sc shows that may not be enough either

//////////////////////

[vadermike]

39. 2016 parallel 1980 Bernie equal liberal version of Reagan!

That's my story and in sticking to it. People were ready to go unfortunately hard right at that time and are now I think finally ready to go more to the left with a older grandfatherly figure who tells it like it is. Bernie is more honest than Reagan tho

[Robbins]

60. This election may turn out to be parts 1932 and 1980

Bernie In some ways Is like FDR.

Republicans back then didn't think the liberal governor of New York could win.Remember FDR started big deal as Governor.

Democrats never thought reagan a right wing washed up actor turned governor could win.Reagan's success was his charisma
In fooling public he was wise grandfather figure.

Economy which helped FDR and reagan also is factor with Bernie.

Bernie should never be underestimated.He took on incumbent Dem mayor In 1981 and beat him by 10 votes and was reelected 3 times.The last time he ran for mayor the vermont Democratic and republican party's backed same candidate to try to unseat bernie and he still won in 3 way race for house In 1988 he finished second beating the dem and losing to republican by 3 %.he unseated him in 1990.and until he was elected In 2006 to senate he was largely reelected easily even in republican revolution of 1994 he won by 3%.In 2006 he ran against the richest guy In Vermont who lied about his record and who called him ineffective and he won by 2 to 1.In 2012 he was reelected with 72% of the vote.If you look up on you tube he has been talking same way for years.While he doesn't agree with republicans much,he was attacked in 2012 despite being a independent with voting with dems 98% of the time,he worked to get more money for veterans.

His biggest strength Is he Is honest guy.Even some conservative voters out there say while they don't agree with him on everything they do on some things and he seems to be honest guy.

[appalachiablue]

71. Do Not Underestimate Bernie Sanders. I'll say! and am delighted!

~ Next US President ~ Brothers and Sisters!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

123. Oh I like that one!

That would make a good yard sign.

[appalachiablue]

133. It's a a gem piece of art alright. Pinned here in the 1st link of avatars, logos etc. Would be

a fabulous Yard Sign, T-Shirt or Car Logo. I don't know the origin but someone does- maybe the DUer who added it to the logo link. Just checked, it was posted by 'Bubzer' on Aug. 24 with several other good ones in the pinned link.

[Indepatriot]

42. I'll bet Nate is readjusting his calculations this morning....

[Hollingsworth]

54. lol.

[Divernan]

43. WaPo:"It Might Be Time for Hillary Clinton to Start Panicking"

(Can someone with more posting skills than me, post the photo which accompanies this article, and which accompanies a tweet quoted in the article? The comments following the tweet are along the lines of: "Not exactly a packed house for Hillary Clinton's Women's Event in Columbus; "I've seen more people at a blood drive", followed by "and they were happier." One HRC fan tried claiming the photo was taken before the event started, when people were just beginning to arrive - but that was immediately refuted by someone pointing out, HRC was in the photo.)

The latest piece of bad news for Hillary Rodham Clinton came in the form of a Quinnipiac poll out of Iowa on Thursday morning: Bernie Sanders, 41 percent. Clinton, 40 percent. Clinton has dropped 11 points in two months in the state, and now 1 in 3 self-identified Democrats say she is not honest or trustworthy.

The poll numbers come just days after NBC and Marist College released twin surveys in Iowa and New Hampshire that also spelled trouble for Clinton. She led Sanders in Iowa 38 to 27 — less than half her lead in a July NBC/Marist poll. In New Hampshire, Sanders led Clinton 41 to 32 — a 20-point shift from where the race stood in July.

Then there's this "crowd" shot from a Clinton event Thursday in Columbus, Ohio:

(T)here is now a realistic — if not strong — chance that Sanders will win the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. And that Vice President Biden enters the race and circles the South Carolina primary as his place to take down Clinton (and Sanders). Add those things up and there's plenty of reason for some stomach-churning at Clinton's Brooklyn headquarters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/10/it-might-be-time-for-hillary-clinton-to-start-panicking/?postshare=7131442096339258

[Fawke Em]

51. And that was written BEFORE this latest round of numbers.

HRC Campaign:

[Dragonfli]

140. Here

[Divernan]

142. Thank you! Isn't that a sad excuse for a crowd?

[Dragonfli]

145. I would think so, perhaps it was one of those $2,700 door ticket things

And the area didn't have enough wealthy people to fill the room?

Not really sure, but I do know it usually costs a great deal of money to get to hear her utter words.

[hedda_foil]

159. It was supposed to be a Women for Hillary event.

The hall doesn't look like it was a big donor, big ticket party either. Those are held in fancy houses in fancier suburbs.

[n2doc]

44. I expect to see some really nasty attacks on Sanders in the near future

Not necessarily by HRC. I cannot imagine the 0.001%'ers are going to allow Bernie to continue building momentum without a fight. If he starts really threatening on the southern states, it is really going to freak them out.

Go Bernie! It is inspiring to see how well people are responding to his message. Now comes the really hard part.

[hedda_foil]

161. I aagree. Hillary probably won't do it herself, though.

That's what those handy dandy SuperPacs are for. Of course, the social media Bernieverse will be on top of the who's paying for the ad buys, so I doubt the Pac attacks will have the effect they'll be hoping for.


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[book_worm]

45. Any Clinton supporter who thinks this is meaningless is

whistling past the graveyard. HRC was supposed to be on her way to a coronation.

[Metric System]

57. The only people I ever saw talking about a coronation is people like you.

[Arugula Latte]

52. ...

[Kenjie]

53. Yeeeeeeeah!

[Babel_17]

55. Now the voters know there really is a choice (nt)

[MissDeeds]

58. Great news!

K&R

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. Socialist!! Socialist!! EEEK!! Socialist!!

[GummyBearz]

67. Butt he doesn't have electilibility

He cant win vs republicans cuz uv electilibility!

[Zorra]

69. This is way phenomenal. nt

[6chars]

70. Lots of interesting details underneath

What is enthusiasm level for your preferred candidate?
Who is your second choice?

Guess what % of respondents in Iowa is black?

Also, guess who is giving Trump a run for his money in Iowa (and guess which gender is responsible for that)?


https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/3zimki4xtx/Iowa_Release_20150913.pdf
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/q6q6e3504o/NewHampshire_Release_20150913.pdf
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/j03a6pduqk/SouthCarolina_Release_20150913.pdf

[beam me up scottie]

81. Find a happy place, find a happy place...

How about you just let us enjoy this, okay?

Bernie has worked hard for it and no one is going to ruin the celebration today.

[6chars]

88. Actually

I think most of those details will make your day happier.

[beam me up scottie]

96. Thanks!

And I promise not to rain on your parades.

[Robbins]

82. what's Intresting

Bernie now leads Hilary with women In both Iowa and NH

Bernie leads among all ages in NH while In Iowa Bernie leads among 18-44 year olds.He and hilary and tied among 45 to 64 year olds and only age group she leads In Iowa and 65 and older.For now she leads among all ages In SC.

What;s intresting is some women In republican primary support trump.And only candiate who comes close to trump Is Carson.

[A Simple Game]

72. I knew Bernie would gain and win both States but this is unbelievable. Very good news because

this means the revolution will be peaceful.

The Democrats would be wise to run the most liberal candidates possible down ticket, they could win back both the Senate and House. If they don't understand what this is saying, they deserve to cease existing as a party.

Tomorrow I mail my voter registration cards in to be able to vote in the NYS Democratic primary next year. I probably will then re-register as unaffiliated soon after.

[restorefreedom]

73. that certainly explains

the rabid and virulent anti sanders/sanders supporters threads of the past few days

she is heading down, and they are coming undone.

bernie has the message and the mojo
enough is enough
go bernie go

[Logical]

75. Wallstreet and Hilary fans have to be getting nervous! nt

[youceyec]

84. you sanders folks

do realize that he has ZERO chance in general right? He will get murdered once they start talking about the S word.

[Hollingsworth]

95. as opposed to the Top Secret word?

No, I think Bernie is at a great advantage. The GOP is going to sling mud no matter who it is and make stuff up if they don't have awkward truths to work on.

Bernie is a formidable opponent to any of those clowns and that is why some people in the media and certain opposing camps are getting a little bit nervous. I don't blame them, Bernie is on the rise and will rise more in the months to come.

[youceyec]

97. at some point Bernie will have to throw his weight behind clinton

if he wants a Dem to be president.

[frylock]

108. Throw his weight behind the candidate trailing behind him?

Sound advice. No wonder Clinton is losing this thing.

[youceyec]

124. Im calling it here, i will quit DU if Im wrong.

HC will get the nomination and BS will throw his weight behind her. Cooler minds will prevail and realize feeling good about Bernie winning IA and NH is not worth losing the general election. You want a pres Bush, Trump or Cruz?

[frylock]

128. Yeah, okay..

See you on the next plateau.

[TheFarS1de]

194. The only plateau is the top ....

as Sanders ascends Mt Everest

[restorefreedom]

134. sorry, no takers.

you might want to take this inevitability stuff to hillary group.

she is heading down. bernie is going to win the nom and the presidency.

she is headed down the 08 path.

enough is enough go bernie go

[mhatrw]

153. You had 40 posts on DU before today. We will miss you. n/t

[Divernan]

125. At some point, Super Delegates will switch their allegiance to Saunders

I keep hearing how many Super Delegates have "pledged" to Hillary. Yeah, right! It may come as a shock to the Clinton camp, but a Super Delegate pledge does not constitute any kind of binding legal contract. Nor is it even a religious or morally binding promise like a marriage vow, i.e., I pledge thee my troth and will cling only unto thee, forsaking all others till death do us part. Here's the real deal, and it ain't good news for Hill.

Superdelegates have to consider how to use their votes carefully. They may:

Vote in step with how the voters in the majority of states voted
Vote in line with Democratic voters nationwide
Vote in favor of the candidate with the most pledged delegates, even if it is just a slim majority.

A superdelegate can also choose to vote his or her "conscience." This is one way of saying that a superdelegate may not vote the way the majority of voters do, but on the candidate he or she feels is best. "Superdelegates are supposed to vote their conscience and supposed to vote for [the] person they think would make the best candidate and the best president," Howard Wolfson of Hillary Clinton's campaign said in February 2008 [source: Miami Herald]. This is what California Congressman Dennis Cordoza did when he officially switched his pledge from Clinton to Obama the following May, citing her "contentious primary campaign" [source: The New York Times].

Cordoza illustrated another characteristic unique to superdelegates -- they're allowed to switch their pledges from one candidate to another. They can also pledge and switch long before the national convention. Most commonly, a superdelegate rescinds his or her pledge based on his or her constituency. In the 2008 primaries, Georgia Rep. David Scott changed his pledge from Sen. Hillary Clinton to Sen. Barack Obama. Around 80 percent of the Democratic voters in Scott's district voted for Obama, and Scott changed his pledge [source: Ohlemacher].

Ohlemacher, Stephen. “Superdelegates are flocking to Obama.” Associated Press. February 23, 2008. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080223/D8V007M80.html

[HereSince1628]

149. True. If Sanders wins with primary delegates and the establishment goes against that

It'll rip the base away from the leadership. That wound could be fatal.

[totodeinhere]

99. That is absolutely not true. Current polls have Bernie doing as well or better than Clinton

in one on one matchups against leading Republicans including Trump and Bush.

[youceyec]

119. these polls relfect the current mood,

not who is going to win. we are 14 months out people. think about the long game!

[totodeinhere]

131. Of course they only reflect the current mood. But at the very least we can

say that currently Bernie is as strong as Clinton. What will happen in the future we don't know but there is also the possibility that Bernie will get stronger as time passes, not the other way around. You have no basis for flippantly asserting that Bernie cannot win the general election. There just is no data at the present time to validate that opinion.

[HereSince1628]

177. We aren't 14 months from the first caucuses and primaries

and as outcomes happen what will be at that time "current opinion" will be -much- influenced by the outcomes of those first caucuses and primaries.

You speak like you candidate won't face a democratic opponent until the GE, something that can only be a possibility if your candidate isn't running for the democratic nomination

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

100. EEEK!! Not the S word!!

[beam me up scottie]

105. I had to run to my fainting couch!

[Divernan]

126. And what the hell happened to my pearls? I need to clutch!

[beam me up scottie]

129. You can borrow mine!

[Divernan]

130. THanks! & check out my reply#125 re super delegates!

[beam me up scottie]

132. That's some good info, bookmarked it, thanks!

[druidity33]

170. THAT

is a very nice fainting couch. Be careful though... it looks to be on wheels!

[beam me up scottie]

172. Why thank you!

I just had it reupholstered and moved to the parlour.

I'll make sure the wheels are removed before fainting next time!

[frylock]

106. What's the S word? Septuagenarian?

[Logical]

109. LOL, I love the panic of you hillary fans. Initially it was "he has no chance in the primary" now...

it is he will lose the general. LOL!

[youceyec]

115. maybe some

said that but not I. I personally have always been worried about the long game. Though I still think HC will carry both IA and NH, wont be easy.

[HooptieWagon]

118. Oh, you has a sadz...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

121. Oh, you mean the one they used on Obama?

That's how we wound up with President McCane.

[mhatrw]

152. Just like he had zero chance in the primaries 2 months ago?

[Eleanors38]

155. Uh, Spaghetti and venison meatballs?

[beam me up scottie]

164. ZOMGWTFBBQ??? BERNIE'S A PASTAFARIAN???

[Indepatriot]

176. With astute observations like this you're wasting your time at DU. Perhaps you could get paid to

be a "random caller" on Right Wing Radio....

[Betty Karlson]

198. Are we now back to the elegibility question?

Because that really boils down to: what of voters start voting for someone who is not supposed to be elected? The answer is: he is elected.

[WillyT]

101. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[totodeinhere]

102. Even in South Carolina half of the respondents want someone other than Clinton.

If Sanders wins in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada and comes closer than expected in South Carolina it would turn this race upside down and cause panic at the DNC. And yes Clinton is stronger in the South but she can't win the nomination with the South alone. Remember that the South has proportionately fewer delegates than other regions because most of those states voted Republican in 2012. That'a how the delegate allocation works.

I mentioned Nevada because I am in Nevada and I can tell you that Bernie is surging here as well. I literally don't know anyone around here who supports Clinton.

[pa28]

107. K&R !!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

114. The Right has infiltrated the Beltway and they tell each other the Left is extinct.....

Rachael said they don't believe there are enough Liberals left in the country to fill a phone booth because they've been driven out of DC.

They pontificate "conventional wisdom" to each other as they spill gin on their shoes at the cocktail parties.

To them, the public is a bunch of idiots who will accept anything. This crowd lied them into a war and they're still attending the parties. It other countries the public would have doused them with gas, strung them up with wire from a street light and set them on fire.

Instead they're reaching for a deviled egg with a bit of crab on top.

[AzDar]

117. Bernie!

[JDPriestly]

137. These polls confirm what I am hearing when I talk to random people out here in California.

For example, I went to a real estate open house in my neighborhood, talked to a woman and in the course of the conversation we discussed the economy. How easily people are being fired from their jobs and how unfair that is. As the conversation was coming to an end, I said, "I'm for Bernie Sanders for president." She said, "So am I." We were both amazed with each other. That was not what either of us expected to hear just out of the blue, but I was very happy to learn that she is a Bernie fan.

This happens every time I get into a conversation about politics with strangers.

With my friends who claim to be liberals and are very active, the conversation is often, "I like Bernie. I really like him but he can't win." That is what the special breed of liberals I call pessimistic progressives are saying. (They are usually big fans of Counterpunch.)

But what I think is that those pessimists are the most progressive of all the people I meet and underneath it all will become the biggest Bernie boosters. They want Bernie to win, but they are torn because they don't want to suffer the pain once again of supporting a candidate who speaks for them but who is doomed to lose. They've suffered that pain before and don't want to have to go through it again.

Once the extent to which Bernie really can win, really is winning becomes unavoidably evident, these pessimistic progressives will support Bernie wholeheartedly. We have a lot of those types on DU. They are good people, really good people, but they have been disappointed so many times. We need to have some compassion for them. They will come around. Just give them time.

Many of them were Kucinich or Edwards supporters in 2008. Let's understand where they come from. Many of them supported Obama and either can't admit how he was sidetracked by Wall Street or just think that's the best our country can do. There is a learning curve. Once they realize that Bernie is the real deal and has a plan to overcome the inertia the Republicans brought to the Obama dream, they will join us in supporting Bernie.

I am an optimistic progressive because I see the kind of determined campaign that Bernie is running.

Bernie is a dream come true. But the pessimistic progressives are afraid to grasp that dream because they think that if they do, they will have to wake up to disappointment..

But Bernie is not a dream. His goal for years has been to serve the people, and he has spent tireless hours listening to and talking with voters on Thom Hartmann and on Ed Schultz and in town halls, and he is trying to offer himself as a spokesperson for the American people that he has talked to over the years.

Bernie is the real deal. He does, as he admits, have an ego. But he has less of an ego than other potential candidates. He really is a person who is dedicated to public service. He really is amazed at how well his campaign is going.

Doesn't mean he is perfect. Doesn't mean he won't make mistakes. It just means that he is authentic. And what is driving his campaign numbers is not ads or Wall Street money, but the sense that people get when watching him talk, that he is sincere, that he is authentic and that he cares about America and the American people just about more than anything except his family.

May I add a note here to assuage the concerns of the people on Wall Street and in business. Bernie is not going to try to bring down the economy. In fact his ideas will help our economy grow in healthy ways. He is tuned in to your customers, that base of people who invest in the 401(K)s, whose money goes into the pension funds, who buy in your stores and watch your ads. He has been listening to them on issues you never bothered to ask them about with all your polls. His ideas will open up new areas for entrepreneurs and economic development. And he is by nature a fiscal conservative. So you will be paying higher taxes, but earning more money in an economy finally really on the move, and you may even get a less risky business environment to operate in. Not saying he will create an economic nirvana, but his democratic socialist ideas are not going to interfere with your profits nearly in the way you think. Look at the countries in Europe that have generous safety nets. Not bad places in which to do business. Not at all.

Back to Bernie.

The secret for Bernie is to stay the humble self he is and to remember that his campaign is flourishing because he is putting the people first. (As if he needs my advice. And where is my ego as I write this?)

One of my pessimistic progressive friends said, "Oh, Bernie. That hair. How are young people going to vote for him with THAT hair?" (I am paraphrasing a bit.) That hair is the living proof that Bernie cares about the people and is not concerned about his own ego. Contrast with the hair of other candidates who comb and hire hairdressers to travel with them or meet them wherever they go. If you are old enough, remember back to Clinton's blow-dried hair.

Feel the Bern! Because sooner or later you are going to have to admit to yourself that your nagging fear that Bernie can't win is just plain wrong. Bernie can win. Bernie will win. And our country will be much the better for it when he does.

Feel the Bern!

[senz]

141. Thanks, Fawke Em. What beautiful graphics. Real mood-lifter!

[left-of-center2012]

143. You're not listening !!!

Polls don't matter
when they show Bernie ahead.

(Only when HC leads)

[left-of-center2012]

144. She'll send Bill Clinton to attack Bernie soon

Can't have Bernie besting HC

[Plucketeer]

157. That's gonna require some really innovative bullets

to have Anything Bill could hit Bernie with!

[SMC22307]

184. Oh, yeah, we know that's coming...

and it's gonna be nasty. Not getting the nomination twice? Brace yourselves...

[left-of-center2012]

187. I saw it in 2008

Gov Bill Richardson (of N.M.) switched his support to Obama
and Bill cut him off at the knees.

[Eleanors38]

156. MSM will have to allot a second camera to his events.

[tomm2thumbs]

186. or even a FIRST camera! (rolling eyes at the press in general on this)

[liberal_at_heart]

167. That is fantastic news!

[humbled_opinion]

168. AMAZING

Bernie's message spreading like wildfire not long before the rest of the nation starts to follow....

[WillyT]

169. Kickety Kick !!!

[Truprogressive85]

173. Political revolution is brewing

As for SC polls I won't be shock to see his number gets better . His mini tour of SC just happened this week therefore more people were exposed to him.

[madville]

182. It's the DNC's worst nightmare

Haven't even had a debate yet either. Bernie not going the slightest bit negative against other Democrats also has to be tying Hillary's campaign into knots.

She's in trouble, a poor debate performance and more negative news on the email front will pretty much knock her out of it.

They have taken the left for granted for too long an now it is biting the establishment hard.

[tomm2thumbs]

185. HOLY F*CK!!!

and this is with the news press, the political TV pundits, the Washington standard-bearers, the DNC, business organizations and corporate America all heavily leaning against him.

THAT'S what I call grassroots at work... genuine swell of enthusiasm and momentum.

[L0oniX]

189. Bernie owns it ...and DU right now.

[NYCButterfinger]

190. Good. This is not a coronation. Hillary will have to reset her campaign with bold endorsements and

some tough rhetoric. I'm still undecided, but Bernie Sanders still does not have the cash needed to win. Grassroots can vault him to the nomination, but he will have to soon distance himself from the DNC. The DNC will have to join with Sanders if he is the nominee, or most likely, Sanders' anti-establishment roots will most likely help with some independent voters. Sanders still has to show that he is electable in states like Ohio, Missouri, Florida.

[LittleBlue]

191. Holy shiiiiii

This is crazy


I never dreamed he would get leads that big so soon. Didn't know if he could get a lead at all with such a rich and powerful opponent like Hillary.

[morningfog]

192. His lead is at or outside the margin of Biden in

Each state!

[Warren DeMontague]

196. ...thaaaaaaaaaaat wasn't supposed to happen.

SOMEBODY GET THOSE VOTERS IN LINE, RIGHT AWAY!!!!

[raouldukelives]

199. K&R! nt

[d_legendary1]

200. So much for Bernie being unelectable

He's spreading like a wild fire! I likes!

[OnlinePoker]

202. From an outsider's perspective (Canada), it looks like the U.S. will have a choice...

...between two very different options for running the country this time. Hopefully, the choice will be obvious come voting day.