Clinton falters in new national poll

[demmiblue]

Source: The Hill

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is faltering in her bid for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination, a new national poll of Democratic-leaning voters shows.

Clinton's support has fallen 21 points since July, from 63 to 42 percent, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll released Monday, dropping below 50 percent for the first time.

Support for Clinton has particularly eroded among women, an integral demographic for her campaign, falling from 71 percent two months ago to 42 percent now.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who gained 10 percentage points since July, now stands at 24 percent support in the poll, while Vice President Joe Biden has gained 9 points amid increasing interest in a potential White House bid, putting him at 21 percent now.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/253519-clinton-falters-in-new-national-poll

[peacebird]

1. Maybe her new 'Thx Box' of makeup & household supplies will help her get us wimmin folk back?

Sorry, I still can't get over THAT one... Which one of her high paid hired guns came up with the idea that sending women makeup and household supplies was a good campaign strategy?

[morningfog]

2. Wait. Seriously? I haven't seen that.

[Ino]

6. seriously!

http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/hillary-subscription-box/

[antigop]

21. oh, good grief. I hadn't seen that. nt

[MissDeeds]

26. Omg

That's really awful.

[RKP5637]

29. OMG! I thought it was a joke at first! n/t

[Hollingsworth]

44. I cannot believe her people let her do this!

What is Wrong with her Team(s)?

What I think is wrong is they are all old pros, been there done this too many times. She thinks that is experience, but what she needs are new faces and new blood, someone pumped up with excitement to put their candidate across the line and into the Presidency for their first time. What a rush. You can't buy that kind of thing with salaries.

[hifiguy]

78. "Tone deaf" doesn't even begin to describe it,

does it?

[Ino]

87. A very amusing thread about the box...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251578834
One Hillary fan defends it as appreciation of "women's culture."

[Catherina]

85. I can't stop laughing! n/t

[Geronimoe]

58. Perhaps the surprise is a ...

copy of her emails?

[demmiblue]

8. That is one of the lamest/insulting attempts at attracking women voters that I have seen.

I'm guessing that they will change the contents of said package PDQ (though nothing was said about makeup, just household products).

[peacebird]

15. I kid you not, the initial reports on it included makeup.....

[Fawke Em]

40. And household cleaning products.

Did she hire the fictional Mad Men advertising staff to come up with that one?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

48. I guess this tells us what Hillary values

1) Women who stay in the home cleaning all day.
2) Women that wrap their self-worth up in their makeup.

How politically inept is that?

[dorkzilla]

59. This from the woman who caught shit for saying she wasn't going to stay home & bake cookies

Does she think other women do? Is she a special snowflake? Maybe she remembered Oprah endorsing Obama in '08 and thought she'd out-Oprah her?

[Hollingsworth]

47. Maybe she should have sent out maps

with big X's marked on them for the next 'tough' decision she has to make.

[7962]

42. If a GOP candidate had done this, they'd be raked over the coals

because of the "sexism"

[dorkzilla]

60. or any male candidate from either party nt

[tomm2thumbs]

18. Maybe there will be something in that box to get her poll standing up

a poll-pill if you will

[erronis]

36. A blue poll-pill?

[7962]

75. HA!

[Uncle Joe]

38. It's the blue pill

[Le Taz Hot]

3. So, "vote for me because I have a vagina"

isn't working? Gee, that's a shock.

[demmiblue]

5. Yeah, that must be the sum total of her platform.

[Le Taz Hot]

9. That's been her theme lately,

"vote for me because I'm a woman." Seriously, now you guys are going to deny even that now? Ah yes, summer 2008, is all coming back to me now. PUMA!

[demmiblue]

10. I don't know who you are referring to, as I am not one of "you guys." n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

13. Well, you jumped to her defense so

I naturally assumed you were a supporter. Feel free to correct me. Who is your candidate or are you another one of those people who claims they haven't made up their mind yet?

[demmiblue]

22. No, I haven't made up my mind yet.

I will either support Sanders or O'Malley. I am leaning Sanders because he represents me and my beliefs, and has a steadfast track record that is beyond reproach. I am willing to hear O'Malley out, though.

I just call bullshit when I see it. And your comment was bullshit.

I mean, really, would I post this thread if I were supporting her? Jesus fucking christ on a trailer hitch.

[Le Taz Hot]

28. "fucking christ on a trailer hitch"

Well, dear, whatever floats yer boat.

[demmiblue]

31. My, you are a clever one. n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

32. I have my moments.

[demmiblue]

33. Indeed, a legend in your own mind!

[Le Taz Hot]

34. Nah, "legend" is a little OTT

but you're entitled to your opinion.

[dorkzilla]

71. you're awesome

I want to be you if I ever grow up (at 50, that looks less likely everyday).

[Le Taz Hot]

73. LOL!

Well, thanks so much for that. Btw, growing up is way over-rated IMO.

[Betty Karlson]

19. What did PUMA mean again? n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

23. After Obama beat her out of the nomination

in 2008, mostly Hillary supporters got together, swore they still weren't going to support Obama even though he got their party's nomination and formed the Party Unity My Ass group, or, PUMA.

[Betty Karlson]

35. Oh-oooh: that sentiment I remember. But PUMA is not making a return next year,

because it never completely left us.

[SouthernProgressive]

52. One positive of Sanders is that he is bringing a lot of new people into politics.

The negative of that is we see posts like the one you are replying to that shows they aren't knowledgeable about that to which they are speaking. In the end it will be good news. A small number of these political neophytes will stick around as they will like the partys platform. In ten years they will have a much better understanding and realize emotion doesn't run the game. Treat them with kid gloves.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

57. You are a real hoot.

Why don't you start a poll and see who really has the most knowledgeable posters. Hillary posters would lose big-time, since they seem convinced that Hillary is best for our country. We Bernie supporters vehemently disagree.

I'm 60, first voted for Jimmy Carter, and have been a reader of DU since about 2002-2003 when I first discovered it.

I truly AM a progressive, SP. If you're voting for HRC, then you should change your member name.

[SouthernProgressive]

62. Those are the exact assumptions I am talking about.

Still a lot of time. I'm also not sure what this has to do with the post I was replying to. It had nothing to do with you.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

65. Assumptions based on a lot of knowledge and experience.

So we can only respond to posters that reply to us first? Not the way it works on any message board or forum I've ever seen.

[SouthernProgressive]

72. I never said you couldn't respond to me. Another incorrect claim.

I get that you think you are, but you aren't the only one with knowledge and experience. Based off you seriously flawed assumptions, you might want to rethink touting those credentials. Assumptions as you are doing here are the easiest of things to do. They are not borne out of great experience as you like to portray. They are the simple way to go.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

74. Seems like it to me.

" I'm also not sure what this has to do with the post I was replying to. It had nothing to do with you."

We will see who is right and who is wrong. I can wait....

[zeemike]

24. Jury results

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

It's sexist. Uncalled for

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:04 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unfortunately, I have to agree with the alert.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Stupid post, over the top.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Please, get a hobby.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not sexist.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I like vaginas. Vaginas are nice. LEAVE IT
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's accurate. Some people do think like that. Remember Palin? Remember PUMAs? Alerter, if you're going to play in the GD-P pool, learn to swim.

[Le Taz Hot]

25. That's like the third Alert I've gotten

for saying the word, "vagina." All withstood a jury decision, though this one was a little closer than the other ones were.

Dear Alerters: "Vagina" is not a dirty word.

[zeemike]

27. The list of alterable words seems to be growing.

[Jester Messiah]

39. Round of applause for Juror #6!

Seriously, whoever you are, take a bow.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

51. I have one too!

And it's conveniently attached to my wife!

[morningfog]

4. What a difference a few months makes. All those Hill

supporters who were crowing with arrogance and hubris this summer can eat it (crow) now.

[demmiblue]

12. This makes me think that Biden will be entering the race.

But, who knows.

[Jester Messiah]

41. Sure do wish DNC would get behind the people instead of insisting on undermining us.

Pipe dream, I know.

[hifiguy]

80. The DNC has been riding the corporate gravy train for 20+ years.

Bernie is threatening to shut down the railroad and tear up the tracks.

They are not gonna go down easily. It will take a mass movement, with Bernie as the spokesman. And it just might be happening.

[dorkzilla]

69. did you see the Colbert interview last week?

I think he needs time to heal from the death of his son, and let's face it, he's owed a long vacation at this point.

[99Forever]

7. America is in Revolution.

And our leader isn't named Clinton.

***Feel the Bern***

[OilemFirchen]

11. Were they including Biden in July polls?

Rhetorical question, BTW.

[restorefreedom]

14. the snowball has started down the hill

the revolution has begun.

go bernie

[LondonReign2]

81. She's got momentum!

[6chars]

16. In January 2017, whatever happens

we will look back at this moment and say we saw it all coming.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

30. Some of us 'saw it' months ago ;)

And on Nov 5th, 2016, a group of us will get to say 'See, we told you so in early 2016'.

I just hope it's the group I'm in

[Fuddnik]

17. Don't go away mad, Hillary.......

Just go away.

[peacebird]

20. Spend some quality time with Charlotte....

[samsingh]

37. i'm very pro Hillary - but i'm dismayed at her distance from the voters

with this technique, even trump could crush her. at least he engages directly with the voters.

I don't understand her - she was the clear front runner, but she continues to be distant, elite, and too quiet - making rookie mistakes.

I HOPE she can turn this around - I think she would be a fantastic President and it would be great to have the Big Guy Bill back again.

Please Hillary - become more relatable and visible. We need you.

[jeff47]

43. Her campaign is being run as if it is terrified of making any mistakes.

The campaign is being run as if a minor gaffe is the worst possible thing that could ever happen. So Clinton comes off as stilted because she's more-or-less reading a focus-group derived script instead of being herself.

Interacting directly with the public en-masse is a risk. The campaign appears to not be willing to take that risk.

[samsingh]

45. that's what it seems like

[HooptieWagon]

46. She's running a Prevent Defense.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

61. And you know how that goes at least 50% of the time.

[HooptieWagon]

66. Yep.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

67. Football analogies are always fun and approriate in politics!

Go Packers!

[HooptieWagon]

70. Bucs fan here...

...it looks like my prediction of 4-12 record was wildly optimistic.

[Chan790]

79. It doesn't work in politics any better than it works in football in similar situations.

The same problems apply to prevent defenses in both cases. You give up a lot of little losses to prevent the knockout blow...but if the clock has too much time on it when you start, you just lose by a series of small increments instead of one big one.

Since I disdain the Clintons, I hope they keep this up right until it costs Hillary the nomination.

[hifiguy]

88. And when you play to "not lose," you wind up getting beat

far more often than not. Any football coach can tell you that much.

Absolutely nothing has been learned from '08 by the campaign staff and, I suspect, the candidate. She has always run as if she were a rather entitled incumbent. BAD move.

[Arugula Latte]

54. My impression is that they thought that Obama was a unique phenomenon,

and now that he is out of the way as a competitor, they could go back to the old way of doing things, which they seem comfortable with. But social media has changed the game completely, and the old way is just not working anymore.

[jalan48]

49. Her campaign seems to be a charade.

It's as if she thought the Democratic Primary was a lock and she was only prepared to run against a right wing Republican in the general election. People are beginning to see through the charade, Biden may well be on his way.

[treestar]

50. It is still 42 to 23 though

[HooptieWagon]

64. Down from 75-8 3 months ago.

She's in freefall...who knows where the bottom is?

[LondonReign2]

82. True. Though where Bernie has actually started campaigning

he has a 10 point lead (Iowa), 22 point lead (NH), and closed the gap from 70 points to 24 points (SC) in the last two months.

[NYCButterfinger]

53. If she continues to have a campaign like this, then

she may have to fire Robbie Mook, and hire Carville as campaign manager. He's more feisty.

[doc03]

55. Well duh she is not the only one running now and she is the

only one facing a 2 year 24/7 assault from the Republicans and the media. Nobody has laid a glove on Sanders cause the Republicans want to run against him.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

63. They believe the media they read - that Hillary is the inevitable nominee.

[ibegurpard]

84. if the Republicans want to run against Sanders they are fools

None of the Democrats will be able to match right wing money but Sanders is the only one that will be able to beat them on enthusiasm.

[graywarrior]

56. Here's a reality check

The election is still a year away.

[demmiblue]

68. I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads-up. n/t

[graywarrior]

86. Awwww, did that hurt your feelings?

Don't bother responding...I hardly come here after years of being a member but when I do I get the expected snark.
Have a nice day.

[jeff47]

89. Better tell the calendar makers to move February back several months.

The first primary election's in February. The 1st if you want to count the IA caucus, the 9th for the NH primary.

That might be kinda relevant when discussing Clinton's primary campaign...

[arcane1]

76. Could people finally be waking up?

[orpupilofnature57]

77. Clintonian = Machiavellian

[jonno99]

83. And jeepers, the guy in the glasses looks like an "agent" straight out of the Matrix.

It's kinda creepy actually - like he's peering into my soul...