My candidate was introduced by Cornel West one day, and cheered by Liberty University

[Ron Green]

students a couple of days later. He didn't change a thing; he's the same guy with the same clear message.

THIS is the person we need as President of the whole United States. It's not about him, it's about us - all of us.

Telling the truth is the starting point, if cynicism is really to be replaced by hope and action.

[HooptieWagon]

1. Liberty U students liked the message of a Socialist Jew.

I think Sanders is a lot smarter than his detractors.

[thereismore]

8. They worship a socialist Jew. nt

[HooptieWagon]

14. Yes, that's what I was alluding to.

[roguevalley]

49. plus six trillion

[sabrina 1]

32. This may be the first time they really HEARD the message of the Socialist

Jew they worship. They seemed to like it for the most part. I have a feeling he caused a few of those students to think a lot about what they have been told, and what the man they worship actually said.

Credit should go to Liberty University for inviting someone so, on the surface anyhow, opposed to their beliefs.

But Bernie shone today, never pandering, never trying to explain himself, respecting their views while vehemently disagreeing and using them to TEACH them about the hypocrisy of the Party they support.

[randys1]

2. Who do you think would be at the receiving end of more Obama like obstruction, or McConnell like

obstruction, you know what I mean.

We all know and agree Barack Hussein Obama received more opposition and obstruction from all GOP and some Dems than any other president in history.

So, given many of those who created this horrific, unpatriotic opposition to the country succeeding, are still in power, who do they hate the most?

I call them "Teaparty".

So, which person do they work harder to destroy, like they do Obama, the Socialist or the Woman?

No, he is not a Socialist, he is a Democratic Socialist as am I, but you know what I mean.

I dont know , what do you think?

Because whoever they hate more, want to destroy more, gets less done.

[Scootaloo]

3. I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. could you bring it all together?

[HERVEPA]

4. Yeh, let's do the tea Party's biddng, allow their blackmail. Worked well for Obama.

Your agenda is very thinly disguised.

[randys1]

5. My agenda? My agenda is to get the Democratic candidate into the WH no matter WHO it is

can you claim the same?

[HERVEPA]

9. I will vote for the Democratic nominee of course. To not do so would be foolish and selfish.

However, I believe Bernie is the best choice and is electable and will represent change, Hillary status quo, Republicans backwardness.
So your thinly veiled accusation is rubbish. And you will now claim, of course, that it was not an accusation.

[randys1]

12. I dont even know what the accusation is, you will not find a single word from

me on this board that is not supportive of both candidates.

I criticize both as well.

You cant win that argument with me.

[rhett o rick]

63. Nope. I want a Democrat that has democratic principles, not just any ole Democrat.

That of course excludes Democrats that bowed down to Bush in 2002. How can you support a DEmocrat that bowed down to the Republicons? The thing is we have other choices.

[randys1]

64. Str8t, white, non Muslim non Jewish male?

Just curious.

People who fall into that category can weather the horrific attack an all GOP government would launch a little better than some.

It is not coincidence that many Bernie supporters fit into that category.

Even if you dont fit this category, I am CERTAIN most Bernie supporters do.

[rhett o rick]

65. My criteria is very simple. I want a candidate that represents the 99%, the people and not

the 1% or Goldman-Sachs. Sen Sanders is far from perfect but he is the best available. I was a big supporter of candidate Obama. President Obama, not so much.

Some have strange agendas. It should be obvious that the oligarchy controlled government isn't going to be very helpful with social justice. Progressives are fighting for social justice yet some still turn to the apparent comfort of the big brother, authoritarianism offered by the Oligarchy.

This class war we are in is between the 1% and the 99%, but the 1% would love to change the emphasis to a racial fight.

[randys1]

66. So yes. Makes sense. If you arent going to get pregnant, be judged on your skin color

for every single transaction in life or be attacked physically because you are Gay, or judged non stop for being a Woman, then it is easy to say a Hillary presidency and a Koch Bros presidency are the same.

[djean111]

7. Since the GOP Congress spends quite a bit of time and money right now, investigating Hillary,

I would say they already hate Hillary, will obstruct her, will get less done.
One of the reasons I support Bernie.

[randys1]

11. Good point, but what would they do to a Socialist, because even though he isnt one, that is what

they will call him and by lying about him they can pretend to be doing the business of the American people by protecting us from the harm from the Socialist.

You and I know he isnt a Socialist and his policies are far better for all of us than anyone else's, but the average American knows none of that.

I honestly dont know which one would get more done, I tend to lean toward Hillary for the obvious reasons of why an established insider would etc.

Our political system is BADLY broken, ALL are corrupted and Bernie is corrupted the least, but ALL are.

BTW, I dont consider the word SOCIALIST to be a slur, I am probably the most Socialist of any member here, or at least my positions are.

[djean111]

18. Bernie has been in Congress since 1991. He knows how Congress works.

Really, honestly, he has not spent all this time in his back yard in Vermont.

And, again - the GOP hates Hillary, they are slavering to find something about Benghazi or the emails to nail her with. The only thing they would cooperate with her on are things that I hate - fracking, TPP, H-1B visas, war war war. Plus I am afraid they will work with Hillary on those Third Way objectives - cutting Social Security (and/or privatizing it), medicare, medicaid.

To sum up - the GOP hates Hillary, but will work with her on issues I oppose. That is my bottom line.

[randys1]

21. You make a great point. Now, as long as I can count on your vote for WHOEVER

the Democratic candidate is on election day in November 2016, we can go from there.

You actually make a point in a way that is rarely seen here, most of what I see on DU is bash bash bash, this nonsense about emails and flying in helicopters.

But if you were to take your message and spread it without bashing, simply stating your belief of how and why GOP would do what in regards to her, then I think you can soften some opposition.

[djean111]

24. You think this is the first time I have expressed this? Sinks like a stone.

Please stop with the Pledge-y Thing. It means nothing, really, and implies that it does not matter who wins the nomination. Now is not the time for that, IMO, Plenty of time later. And, really, the only way to guarantee a vote is to get someone's mail-in ballot.

[randys1]

26. Even when I reach out ...i will be amazed if the Democratic party pulls this off regardless

of who is the nominee.

smh

[Doctor_J]

10. The problem is I don't WANT more drilling, fracking, war, privatization, and bad trade deals to get

done. These are things that will get done if Secretary Clinton wins the WH.

[randys1]

15. Well, you allege they will, you dont know they will. But as long as you will vote for Hillary

if she is the nominee, then I say go for it.

[rhett o rick]

31. She says she will do those things and the Republicons will go along. There is your

"get something done" criteria. I don't want just any Democrat in the WH. And getting things done that the Repubs want isn't the correct criteria. I want a Democrat that will fight for our freedoms and liberties and not "get along" with Wall Fracking Street.

[pnwmom]

35. Where does she say she will "do" privitization? I'm not even going to bother with

the rest of your list.

[rhett o rick]

46. I've gone thru the list time and again with you. What I notice is that you don't post

her policies on fracking, the TPP, Arctic drilling, college tuition, the XL Pipeline, drone killing, union busting free trade deals, jobs, infrastructure, war, private prisons, etc. etc.

Do you support her stand on fracking? She stands with the Republicons and oil companies and on the other side are the people that want to keep the oil companies from contaminating their water. So, do you stand with the oil companies for profits or stand with the people that just want clean drinking water.

[pnwmom]

47. I don't think what Hillary could get through Congress will be that much different

from what Bernie or Joe or O'Malley can get through Congress. All the our candidates are much more liberal than the Republican Congress, which is the obstacle to everything.

I didn't see Bernie Sanders write lots of progressive bills that got through Congress. Wishing isn't achieving.

So, for me bottom line is always: who is best positioned to win in the general.

But since you asked about fracking, HRC wants to phase it out:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-fracking_55a7fdc8e4b04740a3df4b75

[riversedge]

51. Nice. I agree. Thanks for the link

[rhett o rick]

54. Well that's a big change since she was try to sell the world on fracking as Sec of State.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

"Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance. According to Borissov, she agreed to help fly in the "best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits to the Bulgarian people." But resistance only grew. The following month in neighboring Romania, thousands of people gathered to protest another Chevron fracking project,"

From your link: "Now "Clinton said she would not stop the extraction right away, but would try to make the transition as quickly as possible."

Just on public lands and not right away.

""We still have to run our economy, we still have to turn on the lights," Clinton told a town hall meeting in Dover, New Hampshire."

I hope she isn't trying to tell us that fracking is helping the economy for anyone but the oil companies and their paid politicians.

[pnwmom]

55. As SoS, she was the employee, not the President. n/t

[rhett o rick]

56. So your rationalization is that she isn't responsible for anything she did as "an employee"?? nm

[pnwmom]

57. Why do people here love to put words into other people's mouths? My rationalization

is that every President sets his or her own policies, and it is up to the SoS to carry them out. It is impossible to know where the dividing line is on any particular policy though it is probable that a SoS and a President see mostly eye to eye.

[rhett o rick]

58. I believe that Pres Obama and H. Clinton agree on supporting fracking. Her small concession

stated in your link is too little to be effective. All fracking that endangers drinking water should be banned immediately. The oil companies will cry but their gross profits will handle it. I believe it's just a campaign gimmick.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Irony meter implosion.

[Lorien]

62. Exactly. The issues ARE

the issue!

[Ron Green]

13. My sense is that the true haters will become more and more marginalized

as President Sanders' message resonates among all sorts of people, and their obstructionism will be less effective. People like Dick Armey and Tom Delay are not now held up as heroes, and as time goes on more hateful and fearful old people will fade away.

I really believe people want a better world, and a libertarian utopia is not going to gain people's fancy. The socialist utopia at least allows for entrepreneurship AND the safety net to coexist.

[randys1]

16. For the general public I have no doubt Bernie could get a majority

on most issues, but so does Obama.

The problem is the gerrymandering results in the minority party being in control.

Given that REALITY, which of the two gets more done?

You say Bernie, I say maybe, but that is still a very big question.

Personally, as long as one of the vicious clown car asswipe kochsuckers isnt in the WH, I will be celebrating.

[uponit7771]

17. Sanders will "fight" them

[randys1]

23. NO doubt. I am very curious to see what the numbers are in March

Hillary vs any and all cons

Bernie vs any and all cons

[TheKentuckian]

59. I thought Clinton was going to "fight them" you know

because she is a fighter and has been fighting them for decades and is still standing and all that jazz?

By the by, in all of that fighting what victory has she brought the American people?

[Armstead]

19. They basically don't like, and will work to obstruct anyone who is not an R

It's not a matter of degree. They are already 100 percent opposed to Hillary, Sanders, Biden, O'Malley or anyone wlse that mifht get the Democratic nomination.

[randys1]

22. Amazing, isnt it! All the more reason we MUST come together behind whoever the

candidate winds up being.

[TheKentuckian]

61. What we MUST DO is not nominate Turd Way wrong-headed folks that will help implement

portions of their horrible and throughly toxic agenda.

[sabrina 1]

33. I doubt Bernie will be as nice to them as Obama tried to be. He will not

be reaching across the aisle unless THEY are willing to compromise.

You can't be nice to extremists, they take it as weakness. I think Bernie's years in Congress and the Senate has taught him that you have to be firm with people who think compromise only goes one way.

And I doubt he cares one bit whether they like him or not. Besides, the people will throw them out hopefully, starting in 2016 when they go to vote for Bernie.

[frylock]

38. So which person do they work harder to destroy, like they do Obama, the Socialist or the Clinton?

FIFY

[randys1]

41. I said Woman ...there is no The Clinton ...If your point is that name alone creates

a visceral reaction by some, i get it

[Uncle Joe]

6. There was great consistency in Bernie's message to both groups and I believe

Bernie's support will continue to grow from the outside in as more people are exposed to his encompassing message.

Thanks for the thread, Ron Green.

[quickesst]

20. Ted Cruz

"He spoke on the fifth anniversary of President Barack Obama’s health care law — legislation that prompted Cruz to stand for more than 21 hours in the Senate to denounce it in a marathon speech that delighted his tea party constituency and other foes of the law. Cheers rose in the hall when Cruz reminded the crowd Monday that Liberty University filed a suit against the law right after its enactment."

Fickle bunch aren't they?

[djean111]

25. No one is saying that Bernie converted everyone or anyone. We all hope he opened some minds.

That is why Bernie went there.

[quickesst]

27. Ok

[haikugal]

52. I think he also wanted to show them he didn't have horns and a tail...

Not that they'd believe their lying eyes but he addressed them as adults and laid out his program and gave his reasons. It was short and sweet..the question session was Bernie good...he really is a pro, in a good way.

[whatchamacallit]

28. Love it! K&R n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. Good!

[RandySF]

30. And they have one thing in common

They hate Obama.

[sabrina 1]

34. They hate the Left. They view the Left as the enemy. Who do you mean when you say

'they have one thing in common, they hate Obama btw'?

[RandySF]

40. Have we forgotten the last 6 years?

[sabrina 1]

44. No, not a single thing about the last 6 years. Still don't know what

you mean.

[Ed Suspicious]

37. What a completely bullshit response. How divisive.

[RandySF]

39. And the truth.

[Fuddnik]

42. Total bullshit!

[Ed Suspicious]

43. Your truth. Not mine. Not ours in the Berning Caucus.

[sabrina 1]

45. What is this truth?

[Ed Suspicious]

36. And he is simply a credible messenger of a political truth. Absent Bernie, the message remains.

That's what I love most about the energy behind Bernie. Bernie is a force because we are making him a force. We are making him a force because his politics and his track record deserve it.

[Agschmid]

48. Not really down with either...

[Ron Green]

50. Yeah, lots of people aren't "down with" others. That's what Bernie Sanders transcends.

It's exactly what we need at this time: One who can state the truth without excluding other peoples' honestly held beliefs, some of which you may not be "down with."

[haikugal]

53. .