Hillary losing support among Democratic women

[pinebox]

Eeeeks. Well......I can't say I'm shocked.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-sharp-erosion-in-clinton-support-among-democratic-women/2015/09/14/6406e2a0-58c3-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html

Excerpt---

The steep decline among women, which is sharpest among whites, is the main force driving the poll’s overall numbers, which show support for Hillary Clinton falling from 63 percent in July to 42 percent now among Democratic-leaning voters. Her numbers among women have declined to the point where they are about even with her share among men.

As a result, Clinton’s once-commanding national lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who is running to her left, and Vice President Biden, who is considering joining the race, has been cut by two-thirds. Both men are now polling in the low 20s against her.

The poll suggests that the historic significance of Clinton’s campaign is being overtaken by other forces.

This isn't boding especially will for her.

Also this article http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/13/why-are-women-ditching-hillary.html

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Perhaps more worrisome, women don’t seem to think she’s telling the truth about her server. Among all female voters, 51 percent in a Fox News poll said Clinton “knowingly lied” about her private server, while 51 percent of women in CNN’s August survey said Clinton did something wrong when she decided to control her email through her own server.

Sooner or later the email scandal would hurt her. I saw this coming a long time ago....

There is also an article on HuffPo which talks about her losing support among women. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-female-voters_55f71c2ae4b042295e372a41
She's in trouble.

[Tommy2Tone]

1. The poll reflects the effects of constant media trashing of her

When they have nothing bad to report they just make shit up. Then people who "Can't say they are shocked" buy into the rhetoric.

[pinebox]

2. Um

There are several polls however, it's not just one. Check the links. I say I'm not shocked because as I've been saying, people don't want another Clinton or another Bush in the WH. One only need to look at her favorability ratings. /shrug

[rock]

6. Wish granted

Bush is not going to win the General, even if he wins the primary. Clinton is a Clinton only by marriage. Welcome to DU!

[pinebox]

13. We shall see

Stay tuned!

[rock]

26. Indeed

And as you so subtly (or not) point out, Clinton may not win the Primary. But in any case, she is a Clinton by birth only. You don't have to be psychic to see you will be granted your wish!

[pinebox]

31. lol

Let's be frank, when people hear the name "Clinton" these days, they aren't thinking of Bill. You're splitting hairs here.

[merrily]

55. It really makes a huge difference

if the monarchy Presidency is passed along by blood rather than marriage because close relatives aren't close relatives? Poster, please.

[Tommy2Tone]

7. I see no proof that they want Bernie either

[upaloopa]

29. That is the thing that makes be doubt these

stories about Hillary losing support among women. Where did they go? Hillary's numbers go down but Bernie stays in the Twenties.
My guess is the mix of Republicans to Democrats in the polls. Several polls had more repubs than Dems and found Hillary wanting.
There is great pressure out there to derail Hillary and it isn't coming from Sanders, though his supporters relish any bad news Hillary gets. I think the idea is that powers to be think Hillary will be the Dem nominee and anything they can do to weaken her now is to their advantage.
The funny thing is that Sanders supporters think this is between Bernie and Hillary and in reality it is between Hillary and the right. Sanders is ground clutter to them.

[Tommy2Tone]

30. To your point about Sanders supporters is spot on..

Oh he is doing well in Iowa and New Hampshire..Yawn..but he is getting killed in the south and swing states.

[magical thyme]

33. no he's not. state by state trends show him going up from when he announced...and he's only just now

starting to campaign and staff up in the south and swing states. He's largely unknown, but the more people get to know him the more his numbers go up.

[Tommy2Tone]

34. So your proof is being down by 25, 30 and 35 points?

Get back with me when he's leading.

[magical thyme]

37. the trend is up. IA: from 57-13 to ahead by 10 in <5 months; NH 59-6 to ahead by 22 in 2 months

and the trend is all that matters. Note the steep, steep drop in Clinton's #s.

Get back to be when her bounce back begins.

[upaloopa]

40. Get back to me when the other 48 states

break for Bernie, when he gets some Senate endorsements, union endorsements and over 1/5 the delegates he needs to win.

[magical thyme]

41. not establishment candidate, so not seeking senate endorsements. has nurses union. and his trend is

UP, not down.

[upaloopa]

43. He does not go up the same amount that

Hillary goes down. Where are those voters? Did they turn right wing because Hillary had a private email server?
There isn't one bit of positive news about Hillary from the MSM. They are out to destroy her campaign and it isn't because they love Bernie.

[magical thyme]

47. some to Biden. most likely the rest to "undecided"

no, they did not "turn right wing" because Hillary had a private email server. They were more likely "turned off" by the months of stonewalling and lawyerly responses, and reminder of the old Clinton drama.

[merrily]

60. Luckily for everyone, no primary is being held tomorrow.

Many things can change polls over time. Of all people, Hillary fans should know that better than anyone.

[OLDMADAM]

38. doubt these ..about Hillary losing support among women. Well, I'm real..

I just don't trust her, period, and am ready to back it up with facts.. Sorry, I'll vote for her if she is our nominee, but I would like it 1 bit..

[upaloopa]

39. Well when you get polled you can tell them that.

Hillary's life is an open book. You can know more about what she has done for women and children than you can about Bernie.
Hillary has a record of accomplishments to point to.

[OLDMADAM]

42. Hillary's life is an open book.... WHAT?

She hides everything because she is a Clinton, living above the rules.. I know we are suppose to turn a deaf ear, and turn a blind eye because the right wing reports on their scandalous behavior..

Well, I can see and hear fine and have the ability to form my own opinions.. I know I am low count member on DU, because I hate the nitpicking that goes on around here, and an easy target, but I am a faithful Democratic voter, and not only want to win, I want to be proud of my vote, and my elected officials..

[AtomicKitten]

50. The whole point of her private server was lack of transparency.

[merrily]

56. Sanders' numbers ARE rising and a Democratic primary is NOT between Hillary and Republicans.

Also, while it's adorable that you think you can read the non-existent collective mind of "Republicans," you can't.

[Hollingsworth]

3. You have to admit she really does do a lot of that damage to herself

and can't blame others for that. It's called responsibility.

And that women's tupperware party thing, if I didn't know better that was a deliberate attempt to lose more women as it was such a bad move, beyond words bad move.

[Tommy2Tone]

10. Headline "Bernie Loves Tupperware."

How can he lose.

[LondonReign2]

15. Er, wut?

[Tommy2Tone]

16. In response to post #3

[LondonReign2]

19. Yes, but I have no idea what you are trying to say

[Tommy2Tone]

21. Sarcasm toward Bernie fans

[LondonReign2]

22. By saying "Bernie Loves Tupperware"? I don't get it

[99Forever]

25. Smells like desperation to me. eom

[merrily]

59. Bernie fans are flattered that you had to use a ridiculous hypothetical like Tupperware.

Especially when so many actual headlines exist.

[Zorra]

35. He's insulting women, and doesn't realize it. nt

[merrily]

58. I know, right?

[azmom]

49. There was a Tupperware party?

Where, when?

[merrily]

61. The men kept it a secret. They wanted it all to themselves.

[TM99]

8. That may be true.

Her own actions, however, brought the scandal to the forefront. Yes, the GOP and the MSM are running like mad with it. And yes, it is having a negative effect.

Why push then as the inevitable candidate the one with the most baggage, the one most likely to be at the center of a scandal(real or not!), and the one most likely to be damaged by negative publicity?

[Tommy2Tone]

11. So you think the right will just ignore Bernie?

If, like you say, we should disqualify Hillary even if the scandals are real or not, then should we disqualify Bernie when they turn on him? I guess we should have disqualified Obama because there is a question if he is a Muslim or if he was born in Nigera? I mean they are not real but using your criteria where do we draw the line?

[TM99]

14. What strawman are you attacking?

The right will naturally attack Sanders just as they did Obama. Guess what? Neither of them have hooks for the lies and the bullshit.

There was literally zero evidence that Obama was a Muslim born in Nigeria. There is, however, sadly proof that Clinton lied about Chelsea jogging at Ground Zero on 9/11. There is, however, proof that Clinton lied about being under sniper fire in Bosnia. There is, however, proof that her email server and its usage was out of the ordinary. Her lies about it have provide fuel for the fire in the GOP belly.

There is a difference between expecting GOP attacks on any of the Democratic candidates and putting forth a candidate who has problems with truth and has had scandals around her for 30 years. That is where I draw the line.

[randys1]

27. Endless bashing, day after day, lies about her, email stories that mean NOTHING

We have known for many years the right HATES Hillary.

Almost as much as they hate the skin on Obama.

There are many rightwingers working on ALL message boards tearing away at Hillary day after day.

In some places they have taken control and the Democrats and supporters of whoever the nominee will be are badly outnumbered and silenced.

[djean111]

51. And this is why we think she would lose the GE. The GOP hate her rabidly.

And I think she is the candidate the GOP Congress is least likely to work with, except for things that are Third way items, like cutting safety nets, the TPP, and war war war, and fracking.

In the end, the voting will be the deciding thing, not posters on an internet board. And, at this point, you surely don't think there is a post or a topic that would cause anyone to switch their support to Hillary, right?

[kenfrequed]

52. Yeah

And never mind the fact that most of the people choosing Bernie are doing so over his economic and social policy proposals that are specific and his record of standing up to wealthy and powerful interests his entire career.

[djean111]

53. There is a somewhat sad delusion for some that the ONLY reason people are supporting Bernie

is because they "hate" Hillary. They don't really care about the issues thing, and seem astounded that others do, and that others do the research. This is a personality-driven entitlement event for them, seems to me.

I do wonder if we will be seeing that little Hillary IS TOO a liberal chart again, though. Since even Hillary admits that she is not.

[merrily]

62. Not only the right. She's turned off Indies and Democrats, too.

Plus, so many have Clinton fatigue. I don't know if hate is the right word, but, whatever the word is, it doesn't translate to great chances for success in the general.

The DNC is really in its own head on this primary/general, including as to Biden. Bernie and Trump prove MANY Americans could not be more over the same old, same old, so with who do they try to supplant Hillary? Biden.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Right, it has nothing to do with the crappy, meaningless, overly poll-tested and contrived campaign

She's been running, eh.

[merrily]

54. Yeah, that must be it.

[HooptieWagon]

4. More Thx Boxes full of beauty and house-cleaning products on the way?

Yea, that'll do it...

[Warren DeMontague]

45. She enjoyed meeting Kim Kardashian

WHAT MORE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM HILLARY™?!?!?

[saturnsring]

5. Watch Bernie's numbers when the media starts on him

When the media says he's a socialist who says we need to be more like Sweden. Hillary is their focus and once they ( with the help of democrats) bring her down they'll start on him.

[Live and Learn]

9. It hasn't hurt Bernie's numbers on DU and the mud slinging began long ago here. nt

[HooptieWagon]

48. Bernie's support is very committed.

Hillarys is a mile wide and an inch deep. She's quickly losing support once people discover there's alternatives.

[pinebox]

12. They already started

And have done it for a long while now but he keeps climbing.

[randys1]

28. As a Bernie supporter I fully expect the media to tear him to shreds like they will NOT do to

Trump the bigot fuck.

AT the end of the day, I will likely be supporting HIllary as she is likely the candidate and I dont know if the all day long bashing of her on DU and elsewhere is repairable.

When they bash endlessly their agenda is clear.

One of the TALKING POINTS the right is using is having Women say things like

"I dont trust her"

yeah, right

If you are a Woman and the GOP takes the WH, you are not safe any longer in America.

[djean111]

63. Putting aside your assumption that Hilary will be the nominee,

as a woman I recognize that the TPP, a "more muscular" foreign policy, and fracking will make EVERYBODY unsafe. Women, children, and men. Making HRC's campaign about women was a big mistake, methinks. As is looking obvious. How is implying that women will vote for Hillary any different than implying that POC voted for Obama because he is black? Sexism instead of racism.

[randys1]

64. I didnt say that, I said if you are a Woman, and the GOP takes the WH, your life will be in danger

[Barky Bark]

57. All the media has the old tired recycled memes that have already been through the wringer

at least three cycles.

All of them were laughable and debunked.

They got nothing on Bernie. That's why many people are flocking to him.

[Zorra]

17. I do not trust her, and do not feel that just because she is female that

she will significantly improve my condition. She is extremely fickle regarding what she claims to believe; her history shows a great deal of disingenuous, duplicitous behavior.

I feel that her primary interest in running for President is to represent the billionaires, giant multinational corporate interests, and large financial institutions. Although I believe I may possibly benefit from her Presidency, any consideration for advancement in my social and economic condition will be secondary to her primary interest of serving profit interests, and I simply can't count on her to do take a break from her service to corporations and take a hammer to the glass ceiling, or vigilantly and steadfastly protect and advance my right to have control over my own body.

Bernie Sanders has a long history of honesty, forthrightness, and consistency in his beliefs and actions concerning my rights as a woman, and member of other minority groups. I trust Bernie Sanders to place my interests, and the interests of my children and grandchildren as human beings first and foremost, when executing his populist agenda as US President.

It is clear from observing Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State that her primary interest is in serving the wealthiest 10% of Americans, and that just ain't me in any way shape or form.

I'm relieved that many other women are waking up, and are now realizing that Bernie will actually do what he says, and do everything in his power to help achieve equality for the women of the United States, to the very best of his ability.

[ancianita]

23. Well said. I see Sanders as more a feminist than Clinton, especially in looking out for female PoC.

[SouthernProgressive]

18. I have been reading for months that she is losing this and losing that.

Yet she is still the unchallenged frontrunner. Well, Biden is making a surge in the polls.

[whatchamacallit]

20. She started with all the marbles

She's been steadily losing them over time. Her stealth candidacy is an attempt to run out the clock before she loses them all.

[LondonReign2]

24. Unchallenged is an interesting description. Not accurate, but interesting

[pinebox]

32. Keep in mind

Bernie's gap is closer than Obama's was to her at this stage of the election.
Let the shit storm begin

[Warren DeMontague]

46. "Unchallenged"?

[beam me up scottie]

36. Maybe she needs to spend more on those thx boxes, throw in some more goodies.

Women are suckers for that kind of thing.



Shame I have to do this on the DU but that's

[AtomicKitten]

65. Including the new Shimmer! For the greatest shine you've ever tasted.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/61320