DU Votes For Bernie - Hands Down

[tecelote]

Hillary Clinton Group Posts:

30 Days = 3,424
All Time = 18,838

Bernie Sanders Group Posts:

30 Days = 13,745
All Time = 51,864

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1099

[NuclearDem]

1. Driving off the Clinton supporters has probably helped a bit too.

[workinclasszero]

10. No doubt

[Hortensis]

86. Helped WHAT? Is your "revolution" about taking over this subforum? Of the

131,000,000 citizens who went to the polls in 2008, it took 69,000,000 of them from EVERY part of our nation and from MANY different social and political alignments to elect Barak Obama president.

To elect Bernie president will similarly require bringing diverse groups from all over the United States and its possessions together, or it will not happen.

Frankly, I cannot imagine anything more counterproductive than casting fellow liberals on this little forum, and the many millions they represent in the larger population, as enemies. Not if the goal is actually to elect Bernie President.

Just what is the goal? Pathetically small or huge? Silly or serious?

[aikoaiko]

14. Which ones? They're still here by my count.

[morningfog]

59. Poor things.

[sabrina 1]

62. Driving off Bernie supporters probably made those numbers a lot less than

they would have been.

Hillary's group is way older than Bernie's. His is only a few months old.

Alert stalking of Bernie supporters eg, nasty personal attacks, but Bernie supporters don't whine about it all the time, they just get busier, if not here, somewhere else, and mostly in RL.

[NuclearDem]

66. Oh give me a break.

Sanders supporters are not being chased off. That's the biggest load of bollocks I've read here recently.

[sabrina 1]

79. Yes they are and were from the minute Bernie announced and people began

to support him.

It doesn't matter, Benrie supporters don't waste their time whining about what happens on internet forums, if they are driven off DU, as they have been, they have plenty of other venues to go to and meet up with DUers who have known them for years and just keep on working to get their candidate elected, rather than wasting time moaning and groaning about something as petty as that.

The internet is a very big place now, and most of it is a lot more civil to Bernie supporters. In fact most of it supports Bernie also.

[ancianita]

75. Yeah no. I'm an old one who's worn a Bernie button for well over a year.

[RandySF]

2. I don't post in either group

I'm not going to segregate myself

[DisgustipatedinCA]

39. I don't either. I think we cancel one another out.

I LIKE to engage in the open forums. I really wish we had a free-for-all forum where we could get right to the point.

[Hortensis]

3. Please let their engagement, and responsibility, last to 11/2016.

[tecelote]

8. One of the reasons I posted.

There seems to be less Hillary and way more Bernie in the past couple of weeks.

OK - today Bernie was a champion. But still, look at the DU homepage. All Bernie.

Full Disclosure - I like Bernie.

But, DU has always been diversified.

I hope we're not pushing Hillary, O'Malley, Biden, etc. supporters out.

If I were supporting another candidate, the DU homepage lately would make me look elsewhere for serious debate.

[Metric System]

17. I've recently made a decision to visit DU less for the sake of my health. The bickering is just not

worth it. It's very hostile here.

[tecelote]

19. Agreed.

[Hortensis]

26. Understand, but your eyes are steady on the prize. I'm afraid some

Bernie supporters only care about him, that some'll simply drop out and refuse to vote if they can't vote for him. To keep the right from dragging us even farther into disaster, we need the passionate commitment of all who care about their direction our nation will take.

Hopefully Bernie will be able to inspire even the most partisan of his supporters to stay involved and hopeful no matter what happens.

[roguevalley]

85. the majority are talking about him, not her. this isn't school where everything has to

be someone's idea of fair. This is an open forum where people choose. People choose bernie. They aren't choosing Hillary. That is not a bad thing, its just what it is. If Hillary was a different and better candidate, if she actually believed in dem principles like bernie and cared about us little people, it would be different but she doesn't. If that means people leave because they're bent out of shape, how is that anyone's fault. The interests of the members drive the content. Hillary isn't driving the content.

[Armstead]

30. It's been hostile and bickring since 2002

[redstateblues]

34. Yep- DU has become SU. The Fringe for sure

[sabrina 1]

64. Yes, it is. It's been hostile for Bernie supporters from the beginning. Many have

gone elsewhere but I simply ignore that nastiness and focus on the Issues as much as possible because that is what elections are supposed to be about.

If you just advocate for your candidate on the issues, and ignore all the rest, knowing you have a great candidate who is so good on pretty much every issue, that nastiness doesn't bother you, you get that people are just trying to distract from what is important.

[Metric System]

72. Hostile to Bernie supporters? Are you posting from bizarro world? DU has been a cesspool of

negativity toward Hillary Clinton since before she even declared her candidacy. Just look at the Greatest Threads page and it's clear this has become a Sanders forum. I

[sabrina 1]

74. Yes, nasty, vile attacks and alert stalking on Bernie supporters, many of whom

have just moved on to other venues, some driven off the board. Constant attacks on Sanders himself, not that that will or has had any effect, however, this board has become extremely hostile to Sanders supporters, and if you don't see it, you don't want to.



Disagreeing with a candidate on policies is NOT bashing them. Hillary's supporters talk about Bernie most of the time, never about where their candidate stands on issues.

Very hostile, actually had Bernie not decided to run, this forum had already become nasty to those who wanted a different choice.

So stop pretending you don't see the nastiness, the fact that most of us who are supportive of Sanders don't whine about it all the time, but would rather talk about issues, including where other candidates stand on them, doesn't mean that many Bernie supporters have been driven off this forum and it is a shame. I miss them, good DUers who were here for many years.

[ancianita]

76. I'm on here every single day. I'll swear on my mother's grave that is just not true.

Most DU'ers are running a PRIMARY battle here, but that doesn't mean every last one won't vote for Hillary if she pulls past Bernie in the primaries. Come ON. Be fair. You're seeing something that's just not there.

[Metric System]

98. I have seen multiple Sanders supporters state they won't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

[merrily]

106. Please try to understand the difference between DUers being hostile to Hillary Clinton, who is a

professional politician and does not post at DU and DUers being hostile to Bernie's supporters who do post here and are not professional politicians.

thank you

Criticism of Hillary on a political message board does not give anyone a right to be hostile to a fellow DUer. That is a huge false equivalency.

[leftofcool]

112. That is why the majority of us have moved on.

I am glad the Bernie crowd is happy being here.

[upaloopa]

63. yes, many of us Hillary supporters are gone.

It isn't a discussion board anymore.

[Metric System]

73. Bernie is a Saint. Hillary is Satan. End of discussion. That's DU in a nutshell now.

[ancianita]

78. A mean characterization. You know people are comparing their policies and records, is all.

[upaloopa]

104. I don't know if you forgot the sarcasm smilie or not

[Cali_Democrat]

4. If DU had its way...

Dennis Kucinich would have been the Democratic nominee in 2008 and we would have gone down in epic defeat.

John "Bomb Bomb Iran" McCain would have been Prez with Palin 2nd in command.

Thank gawd we dodged that bullet.

[Fawke Em]

6. I voted for Obama in the 2008 primary.

I was correct then and am now.

[merrily]

107. I did as well. I began donating to him the Monday after Thanksgiving of 2007.

Seems late now, but 2008 seemed like more of an authentic primary. Besides, I had a better idea of who Sanders was on the day he announced than I did of Obama. I began donating to Sanders before his formal announcement and never stopped. If he doesn't get the nomination, my only wish will be that I had had more money to donate. I won't regret a cent.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. Sanders is most definitely NOT Kooch.

Sanders is the real deal.

[aikoaiko]

15. Hardly.

[Cali_Democrat]

16. Yes. nt

[NanceGreggs]

5. This is REALLY important!

Because as we all know, the Democratic nominee AND the presidency will be determined by how many people post in DU groups!!!!!

[Ron Green]

18. That's a snappy rejoinder.

However, a place like DU is essential for people who want to test their ideas, their understanding, their version of the truth. That's fair enough, right?

What's becoming apparent on DU is that the narrative we're getting from the media is drifting farther and farther not only from what we need as a nation and world, but also farther from reality.

DU postings won't determine who'll be President, but it's clear to me through careful reading therein who should be President.

[tecelote]

21. Great response!

We need the debate and less of the hate.

[NanceGreggs]

28. DU is currently only "essential" ...

... as an echo chamber for BS supporters. And the OP is evidence thereof.

The "narrative we're getting from the media" has long been held as unreliable at best, and total bullshit at its worst, by DUers since the inception of this site.

However, one can't help but notice how the media - even the RW media - is now quoted here as unbiased and accurate when they publish anything that is pro-Bernie or anti-HRC. Suddenly heretofore scoffed-at MSM sources are hailed as unimpeachable.

According to the site's owner, 85% of DUers are BS supporters. I think we both know that Bernie doesn't have anywhere near that kind of support among Democrats in the real world. That speaks to how far afield this site has become from reflecting what is happening in the real world among real Democratic voters.

As an echo chamber for Bernie enthusiasts, DU has quickly emerged as the go-to site for those who require high-fives and bouncies every time someone spots a Bernie for President! bumpersticker in the local mall parking lot. As a Democratic-supporting site - as DU once proudly held itself out as being - there is no room here for anyone who thinks Bernie isn't the be-all-and-end-all Messiah about to lead the masses into the land of progressive milk-and-honey.

The reason there are fewer and fewer posts in the Hillary Group is not because she is losing supporters - it's because DU is losing the interest of those who want to deal in the realities of the 2016 election, rather than pretend that DU has a grasp on those realities.

[Ron Green]

33. This "real world" of which you speak -

that's the one that must change. It's the one in which Donald Trump, an Axis II disorder TV clown, is leading the polling for the Republican presidential nomination. The one in which the Congress has a single-digit approval rating. The one in which the most reasonable and truthful candidate for the highest office is ignored, marginalized and caricatured by the media, while the presumptive nominee of our party is endlessly needled and wheedled about her emails, while her serious flaws and dangers go unmentioned.

We may not, as Americans, deserve the change that DU is aching for. But to dismiss as an "echo chamber" a group of people who see what's possible and fear what's probable is just unseemly.

[NanceGreggs]

41. If you think the world must change ...

... so be it. But it's not going to be changed by people posting on DU.

And people posting OPs about how many people participate in the Bernie Group as opposed to the HRC group are proof that this site is more interested in what happens here than they are interested in what is happening in the real world.

[bvf]

54. It's "proof" of no such thing.

That's like saying a union local congratulating itself on an uptick in its membership couldn't give a relative rat's ass about the national picture.

[redstateblues]

36. America is not going to elect a Socialist who wants to spend

17 trillion without anyway to pay for it. Sorry- that is a losing platform.

[bvf]

43. You're at least three threads late with this nonsense.

[Lancero]

105. Shock shock, the MSM left out the part about his plans to pay for it.

Go ahead and look up his plans - Actually, I'll do it for you.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/15/1421477/-Hey-WSJ-Your-Hit-Piece-on-Bernie-Sanders-Got-a-Fact-Check-and-It-Failed#

[artislife]

81. *snap

it's because DU is losing the interest of those who want to deal in the realities of the 2016 election

That is the rarified air of H support in an easy to carry catchphrase.

I don't feel bad that H supporters have left, they lose on the issues. They raise the "electibility" issue or complain about how mean everyone in the whole world is to H. The group haven is filled with cute H photos and cooing about being a grandma, when it isn't building shrines to their own members.

Shoot, Cheese Sandwich came back from a hide and jokingly chided us for not holding a vigil. And we like him/her...but the pack has got to move fast.

[kenfrequed]

94. Good points.

Too many of the H posts are about how mean Bernie supporters are. Even when there is an issue in it they still manage to try to make it a broadside against anyone that would support Bernie. I swear sometimes that some of the Hillary supporters here aren't really supporting her at all and are just trying to anger people that have chosen other candidates.

[morningfog]

95. Oh look, another screed against DU.

I always wonder why people who loathe the place keep showing up and keep posting here.

[Bobbie Jo]

99. Oh look

Another nasty comment at a veteran DU'er.

I don't know, maybe because she was here long before you?

[morningfog]

100. My point stands.

Why stay somewhere you hate?

[Bobbie Jo]

101. As does mine.

Not your call.

[NanceGreggs]

118. As I've always wondered ...

... why people who have never had a single positive thing to say about Obama, elected Democrats, or the Democratic Party as a whole keep posting here.

There are some very prolific posters here who post nothing but "screeds" against Democrats day-in/day-out. And yet they are not only permitted to do so, their "screeds" are often displayed on the Greatest Page and the Home Page.

If you're going to call your site DemocraticUnderground and hold it out as a Democratic-supporting site, and then allow anti-Democratic "screeds" to be posted without consequence, you're going to get push-back from pissed-off Democrats.

It's rather ironic that you're permitted to call President Obama a "piece-of-shit used car salesman" and refer to Hillary as a "whore", but you're not permitted to even point out that such things are not in keeping with what this site continues to hold itself out to be.

I didn't draft the TOS, nor define the rules - and yet I continue to wonder why the only "rule" that seems to be enforced these days is the "don't complain about DU" rule, while the rest have been conveniently thrown out the window.

Like I said, if you want to present yourself as a "Democratic" site where 24/7 Democrat-bashing is allowed, you'd best be prepared for actual Democrats posting their objections to their fellow Dems being continually vilified without interference or consequence.

[bvf]

20. Uh...

Because as we all know, the Democratic nominee AND the presidency will be determined by how many people post in DU groups!!!!!

I don't think the OP said that, but if that's your own interpretation, have at it.

[beam me up scottie]

23. Nance loves her strawmen.

They don't talk back and are easily defeated.




Eta and the exclamation points make them super strawmen!

[bvf]

31. LOL--Clearly!

I wonder if it's a linear relationship.

IOW, do ten exclamation points make a straw man twice as powerful as five do?

ETA

A completely gratuitous

[beam me up scottie]

45. We'll have to start keeping track.

Could be a research grant in it.

Go Bernie!

[Scootaloo]

29. Tell us again of your activism, Nance n/t

[NanceGreggs]

35. Why the need to change the subject?

What does my activism have to do with the fact that on a site that is comprised of 85% BS supporters, someone thinks it important to post the HRC Group stats versus the BS Group stats?



If you have nothing to add to the topic at hand, just say so.

[Scootaloo]

38. Because you said this.

Because as we all know, the Democratic nominee AND the presidency will be determined by how many people post in DU groups!!!!!

Obviously you feel something else is important. And that would take the form of some variety of activism, would it not? So. Tell us about your contribution to the cause.

Prove to us your superiority.

[NanceGreggs]

49. So you think ...

... the Democratic nominee AND the presidency will be determined by how many people post in DU groups?

Do I feel something else is important, other than who participates in DU groups? Yes. It's called reality - which DU is in no way reflective of.

Do you picture Wolf Blitzer on-air next election night saying, "Now that the members of DU groups have been counted, the next president is ..."?

THAT is the topic here. Again, if you have nothing to add to the topic being discussed, just say so.

[Scootaloo]

56. I'm asking you to prove to us your superiority, nance.

Clearly you believe yourself so elevated. Please put it on display for us to stare in wonder and awe at.

And you know, for someone who believes DU is "in no way reflective" of reality, you sure do seem to spend a lot of time, energy, and emotion in screaming at and belittling people here.

[Logical]

50. I love how the hillary fans are so defensive! nt

[NanceGreggs]

52. Defensive of what?

That DU has more posts in the Bernie Group than the HRC Group?

Really? Do you think anyone in the real world cares?

[Scootaloo]

57. You sure seem to care.

Are you real? Is this happening? Am I in a dream?

[NanceGreggs]

58. The only reason I got drawn into this thread ...

.... against my better judgment, is to point out how utterly ridiculous it is to post an OP about how many DUers participate in the BS Group as compared to the HRC Group.

In what universe - other than the DU universe - is this important, or reflective of anything happening in the real world?

The OP is just another example - as if any more were needed - of how DU has become a BS echo chamber, where such things as who posts in what group are actually supposed to matter.

[Scootaloo]

61. Maybe your better judgement deserves more attention.

[NanceGreggs]

65. For once, we agree.

I've never been into cults. But the BS Cult is just too amusing to ignore.

The "drones are always evil - except if Bernie uses them" threads were beyond fantastic!

[Scootaloo]

67. You really can't help yourself, can you?

[NanceGreggs]

68. Admittedly, sometimes I can't.

I've always been a sucker for comedy - and this site has been a never-ending source of yuks for a while now.

[Scootaloo]

69. Your contributions help n/t

[NanceGreggs]

70. I've been known to be mildly amusing ...

... but can't hope to complete with the delusional scribblings of the cult.


G'night!

[artislife]

82. One for the ages....! nt

[leftofcool]

115. I think they really think Hillary supporters care.

[Capt. Obvious]

110. Some people say that's typical of cult behavior

amirite?

[leftofcool]

114. Nailed it!

[whatchamacallit]

7. Get ready for a chorus of butthurt

[Le Taz Hot]

32. See above.

[Historic NY]

11. If this is voting on DU then your delusional....

spend some more time here.

[tecelote]

24. Insulting my intelligence makes you look real smart.

Responding to you makes me look less so.

However... check out the post below by Erich Bloodaxe BSN.

There's your votes.

[Historic NY]

46. DU is what it is. It is by no mean a bellweather...for anything...

ACT Blue...is just another contribution source. Is this a contest what do you win???

[book_worm]

12. That Bernie supporters are overwhelming here is no secret

[GitRDun]

13. Lol

The biggest self confirming feedback loop on DU...congrats all!

[leftofcool]

111. LMAO!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

22. Checking the DU candidate contributions pages at ActBlue...

DUers have made 553 contributions to Bernie totalling $17,076.88 so far.

DUers have made 8 contributions to Hillary totalling $100.00 so far.

[JackInGreen]

25. They know she has Hamptons money

No need to fund someone who's paid off already ye know?

[Trajan]

27. Well now ... That is telling, right?

For all the bluster and mayhem that side creates, they apparently refuse to actually support their own favorite? ....

I've never donated through DU, but Bernie gets my money instead, directly ... Of course, Hillary supporters are doing the same thing ...

Nevertheless, the difference is striking ...

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

42. Well, they could be donating elsewhere

Or they could all already be maxed out on the personal donations. You go to one $2700 Hillary dinner, and you can't donate anything else to her for the cycle, right?

[Trajan]

71. LOL ...

I more or less said the same thing - I don't donate from DU - I donate direct ... I am sure lots of Hillary supporters are doing exactly the same thing as I ...

Still, it is fascinating that there is such a difference ...

[bvf]

40. That is striking. n/t

[neverforget]

44. A wealthy DUer has made the maximum contribution to the Hillary campaign

so there is that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251448517

[brooklynite]

53. As pointed out, my wife and I maxed out to Clinton on day 1, before the DU page was set up...

...so if you want to punch that Clinton number up to $5,500...

BTW - interesting that the average Clinton donation is $12.50. I can recall someone here calling a working class person making a Clinton contribution an "idiot"...

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

55. If I include your wife and you, and punch the number to 5500 the average Clinton donation is $550.nt

[TheFarS1de]

83. Don't be so devisive .

Sorry , couldn't help myself

[beam me up scottie]

87. LOL!

Well played!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

90. It wasn't actually an attack, just an observation of the macro in the microcosm.

Hillary does have her base of regular donors, small as it might be in number, but the larger donors' influence completely overpowers and distorts the averages. It's like talking about 'average American' wealth by throwing a Walton heir in with a hundred regular secretaries and janitors and whatnot and looking at the average. Two wealthy people contribute to Clinton, and in so doing, contribute about as much as 150 other people who contribute to Sanders.

[beam me up scottie]

91. Considering who you were responding to that was priceless.

[TheFarS1de]

92. I know .

It was just too good of an opportunity to give up . You made a valid point .

[OhZone]

37. I feel bad for the anti-Hillary people here. They're in for a rude awakening soon.

Oh well.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

47. Don't feel bad on my account. If we go down, we go down trying hard.

Bernie is the only choice for liberals who value honesty. So this is wHere the stand is made.

[brooklynite]

48. Why is the frequency of posts in any way related to popularity?

I am clearly a big Clinton supporter and I almost never post in the HC group.

[bvf]

60. It's a rough estimate, granted.

A better indication might be found in subscriptions, trashes, and blocks.

Want the numbers?

[Persondem]

51. See below.

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[Lil Missy]

77. Which is a sure sign that the majority Democrats in real Life will choose someone else.

DU has a history of favoring candidates that will not win the nomination.

[MFM008]

80. I am still voting for her

just not feeling the Bern.

[ellisonz]

84. Let's not get tyrannical now...

[beam me up scottie]

88. Sorry.

No gloating here, ellisonz.

And I'm really glad we haven't driven you off.

[ellisonz]

108. They tried!

I, an Obama supporter, was once banned from the BOG for suggesting it might be effective to just block posters left and right.

I am looking forward to the debates.

[madokie]

89. Bernie Sanders is one of us

Hillary is not, pretty simple

[Skwmom]

93. This doesn't prove that. There are A LOT of Hillary supporters on this board.

The Hillary Supporters have been busy posting in other categories.

But, for some reason they want to portray this board as an overwhelming Sanders Board which begs the question why?

I notice when the polls for the primary are posted the Hillary supporters don't vote, which again begs the question why?

In addition, there are PLENTY of self-identified Bernie Sanders supporters on this board that I would bet money are NOT Bernie Sander supporters.

[Renew Deal]

96. President Kucinich would agree

[kenfrequed]

97. Not remotely surprising.

And contrary to the Hillary supporters it corresponds in a parallel fashion with enthusiasm in real life rallies.

[peacebird]

102. Her turnout at rallies is just embarressing. Maybe thats why she cancelled the one in Texas...

She kept the fundrai$er that day tho....

[kenfrequed]

103. It isn't just Hillary

A lot of the candidates running this year are avoiding any rallies, or changing them drastically, to avoid any comparison with Bernie Sanders events.

[ancianita]

109. DU, from my view, represents those of the FDR wing of the party who want a major voice in the

national party at federal and state levels.

That they back Bernie in the primaries stands to reason.

Attacking same-party candidates' assumptions, past record, current speeches and campaign ads isn't the same as personally attacking the same-party opponent. I don't believe one word from Hillary supporters that Sanders supporters are mean, insulting or trying to drive anyone out.

If -- and I can count on one hand the few times I've read them -- any BS supporter has posted a personal attack -- I've seen other BS supporters immediately remind them to act like their man, Bernie, and not vent personal attack. In the heat of primary talk, very few people have said they won't vote for Hillary, and the vast majority say they will if she beats Bernie.

Overall, the FDR wing of the Democratic Party and its candidate have much to proudly stand together for.

[leftofcool]

116. Truthfully, Hillary supporters just don't care

Most of us here are campaign insiders and have ground work to do.

[oasis]

113. DU: the 51st state.

Now Bernie has 3.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

117. It's nothing new. The Left vs Right, Progressive vs moderate war has been going on here

since the founding.

A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine

[hack89]

119. Probably the kiss of death

Let's see what President Kucinich has to say about it.