2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum(email) David Brock Struggles With Questions About Correct The Record Attacking Sen. Sanders
watch him squirm-
The Bloomberg commentators are laughing.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)but, as reported by HuffPo, there was no prior agreement. What arrogance. He actually thought his mere request would result in compliance.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-clinton-correct-the-record_55f85058e4b09ecde1d9d374
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Eriteo
(22 posts)Nobody corrects right wing disinformation like media matters does.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)that is so very nice of him
frylock
(34,825 posts)And you can go back and tell him I said that.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Language? Please explain?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Eriteo
(22 posts)Do you really think it's better?
jkbRN
(850 posts)2. Contributed to changing the course of events within media coverage
3. Not affiliated with a super PAC
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)jkbRN
(850 posts)I don't even read media matters stuff; noticed they had a pattern of propping up certain issues & people--they've been this way for years.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)attacks on a liberal media icon who has exposed media crimes for years are just as distorted and once again using speculative opinion as fact...more funny stuff!
And Bloomberg Corporate Media is being used as the credible messenger ....more funny stuff!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)prior good deeds do excuse this sliming of Bernie
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)heard of what it does?
And Bloomberg hates Media Matters! And those are not "commentators", they are Bloomberg media cronies, whose opinions no one supporting Sanders should respect, on anything.
Corporate media over Media Matters????
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)in a previous thread you demanded proof that the email was real
this proves it.
on video no less
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Not even in the original hitpiece/story on Huff Post!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)David Brock slimed Bernie through Hillary's SuperPAC
and we are just holding them all responsible for the slime.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Show me the beef! Show me the email...no one "denied it existed"....please correct your misrepresentations.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)and Brock acknowledges that he sent this SuperPAC opposition research to HuffPost.
HuffPost published it and identified Correct the Record as the source.
frylock
(34,825 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)so tired of this fucking shit.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hell, I think the EPA is way more important than MM, but that doesn't give Nixon a pass.
(Countdown to the "You're saying Brock is just like Nixon" accusation)
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)If this slimy, lying motherfucker wants a war, we can do that. Next.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I've read in these pafges recently that we who support Sanders need to get used to the big leagues, the attacks coming from Republicans, etc. setting aside the fact that Hillary is supposed to be a Democrat, I have no problem with big league, hardball politics. But I will damn we'll respond to attacks on my candidate, and I'll do it my way, without anyone else's leave. And I'm going for the jugular when people tell lies about my candidate. Bernie Sanders is a nice guy. I'm not.
7962
(11,841 posts)They just say he's a Socialist. Hillary is doing THEIR dirty work for them!
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)And then they won't have to do it.
Those real attacks will begin to happen after he wins the primary and the nomination.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)It is these kind of shenanigans that turn people off of politics. The type of politics he tried to play here is right out of Rush Limbaugh's playbook. Hey, I just putting the facts out their, people can come to their own conclusions!
What shite.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)8 more years in the WH keeping the barbarians at the gates is not to be messed up with faux internal party nonsense none of th candidates are themselves engaged in.
But keep on having fun, the GOP thanks all who attack Clinton.
September 14, 2015 by Marist Poll
Filed under Featured, National, National Poll Archive, Politics
In hypothetical general election tossups, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton leads her potential Republican rivals among registered voters nationally. Clinton does best against businessman Donald Trump, leading him by 13 points. Her closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, trails Clinton by just four points. Among Latino voters, Clinton outpaces Trump by 47 points, Cruz by 33 points, and Rubio and Bush by 30 points. President Barack Obama carried the Latino vote in 2012 over Republican nominee Mitt Romney by 44 points.
- See more at: http://maristpoll.marist.edu/914-decision-2016-clinton-leads-gop-rivals-bush-most-competitive-against-clinton/#.dpuf
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Or is Sanders not the enemy too?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)DLC/Third Way attempt to control the Left media. The very fact that this slimeball who nearly brought down the Clinton presidency with his lies and smears, again sneaking around to do it, was allowed to call himself a democrat caused a lot of people to wonder what was going on in this party.
He was mad at his right wing buddies and saw an opportunity at the time to get back at them by pretending to be sorry for all the harm he did, knowing the left would embrace him even if it was only to use him. And they did.
I haven't read MM for years, it doesn't have any impact at all. Fair.org is a far more credible organization.
Many of us doubted the efficacy of embracing someone as slimy as this character and now we see how right we were, not that I am surprised in the least.
And I remember his 'apology' to the Clintons and how they refused to acknowledge it after all the harm he and his low life right wing friends did to this country.
How dare HE of all people try again to influence yet another Dem election.
And anyone who tries to defend this slimeball and his sneaky actions, who remembers who he is and what he did to a Dem presidency, shocks me to be honest.
I would denounce this right wing opportunist if he was doing this on Bernie's behalf, because for one thing, all it would do is cause HARM to a candidate I support.
Now it's time to remind people of his disgusting history and you can bet it will be all over Social Media as he crawls out from behind his never convincing mask to do what he did before, because THIS time we want people of PRINCIPLE involved on all sides of this campaign.
I cannot believe ANYONE on this forum is even attempting to defend this. They sure didn't defend it when he did it before. And that only makes them look like 'we don't have any problem with slime like Brock, so long as he's doing it for our candidate'. THAT will lose Hillary the election. That I hope is not going to be HER stand.
She needs to distance herself from this moron or be associated with someone neither she nor her husband, rightfully, wanted anything to do with because they did not trust his sudden 'remorse'. Nor did most of us Democrats.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)If you left Media Matters "years ago" then you left behind an ally.
And for what?
Can someone explain how attacking David Brock helps liberals? How does it even help Sanders?
Or is "liberals" just to RW for some?
Now I understand why Syriza had to let go it's extreme LW.
Their demands were based on revolution and not in reality.
Evolution over revolution, that is the choice between Clinton and Sanders.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I am surprised this kind of stuff was put out by his group.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Has anyone posted the email, for the love of Truth?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I would trust him myself. You could email him. At least he didn't use the "someone said" tactic.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...and really enjoyed hearing him expose the media for its bullshit. He should be ashamed. If he isn't, I'm ashamed for him.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)for years.
riversedge
(70,195 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)What happened to attacking Clinton or "her SuperPac" directly just this morning on this faux issue?
Was that debunked and now we have THIS?
Too funny.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)the email released by his Super Pac that coordinates with Hillary's campaign.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)that is what CAMPAIGNS do.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)and Brock has acknowledged it...on video.... and called it opposition research.
case closed.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Why don't you contact David Brock and ask him what was in the e-mail?
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)which she is, it is from a place of weakness.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)from freezing to death.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)reports that it came from Correct The Record.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Although he's likely just regurgitating Hillarys position. So much for Swiftboat The Record. They outed themselves rather quickly.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Have fun with Hill, David. You will regret your alliance with her. Mark my words.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Barky Bark
(70 posts)and Brock is still a right-winger.
7962
(11,841 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)he turned to Dems AFTER one of the slimiest, disgusting campaigns against other human beings ever was because EVEN HIS RIGHT WING BUDDIES couldn't stand him anymore. So he tried to gain credibility on the Left, showing the man has ZERO principles, and was NEVER Trusted as people like him never are, by any decent person.
Dems let him in, because it benefited them at the time, but once a slimey, lying dirty trickster always a slimey, lying dirty trickster.
This doesn't surprise me at all, never had any time for this piece of slime and he can't even defend himself.
One good thing though, just as he helped Clinton in the end because decent people were sickened more by his nasty, gutter level creepy lies than they were by what Clinton supposedly did, he has just HELPED BERNIE more than he can know right now.
Surely there is no Dem who ever trusted that fool.
And this interview is exactly what I would expect from such a unethical moron.
Cant' even defend his actions, but then he never could, could he?
frylock
(34,825 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)it was useful to do so at the time. But no one ever trusts a liar and a deceiver, and he has just proven those of us who certainly never did, to have been correct.
On the good side, as I said, the stark difference between this particular pos and Bernie Sanders only helps Bernie.
And it proves what he has always said, and continues to say, just how corrupt and corrosive our system is due to the money that flows into our electoral system.
I hope they USE this as an example, along with THIS video to expose the slime our elections are being influenced by.
And Hillary needs to condemn this, otherwise she owns it. Which is interesting because neither she nor Bill would acknowledge Brock when he apologized to them. And I completely agreed with them at the time. Apology came way too late, he helped to nearly destroy a presidency and only apologized AFTER his own far right buddies, found they even couldn't stand him.
So the decent thing for her to do would be to say 'this man in no way represents my campaign and I condemn this attack on a decent man like Sen. Sanders.
I guess we'll learn just how decent she is as a result of this.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)You are spot on.
The video in the OP shows he got caught out and he was scrambling and squirming under the questioning. I watched the show it in real time yesterday.
Money and the Power that follows is his game. Whatever he did with "Media Matters" originally has been overshadowed when he made a Super Pac to do Opposition Research for Hillary. He has two Super Pacs and has been questioned over his "Correct the Record" Pac which is allied with Hillary campaign. There was a good article on questions of whether it complies with campaign finance regulations.
That he was on "All Due Respect" touting his Book shows what a double or triple dealer he is. And, I've never trusted him, either, in his claims he had broken with his Conservative views. As you say, he made a fool of himself in front of conservatives and then saw opportunity on the left to profit. "Media Matters for America" sounded great when it started...but, it didn't take long to see the direction he was headed...in that it was all about HIM.
Sad, because we Progressive Dems have for decades now lacked a strong voice in the MSM. "Current TV" and "Air America" promised so much hope but weren't able to get enough funding to compete with the Corporate/Repub/Evangelical onslaught. But, we Progressive Dems don't need power hungry Moles doing opposition work attacking us from within our own party.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)considering he was associated with it. However I always thought he was using it to get back at the Far Right, and for his own personal gain.
A lot of people whose Liberal creds were very dubious were given prominent positions controlling the New Media during those times, Kos being one of them. And made me wonder, 'don't we have any longtime, credible Progressives who could be doing this'?
Over the years though it became apparent that this was the GOAL, for the Third Way/DLC to control the 'liberal media'.
He was part of that, and several 'liberal pundits' who were groomed during the Bush era such as Ezra Klein. People like Glenn Greenwald were also around at the time, first encountered him when he was a member of DK where the Left had been lured into thinking THAT was a 'left' forum.
Greenwald was the most popular, while these other people, who at the time didn't tell members they WERE being groomed to take over the Left media, were always suspect.
They let the membership show their support for people like Greenwald and a few others, initially, had to or it would have been too obvious what was going on, then we began to see attacks on the left leaning writers.
Brock became a tool for the DLC which he was perfectly happy to do consideriing his lack of ethics etc.
And he would go right back to the far right given a 'better' opportunity.
Once a liar always a liar imo.
As I recall Media Matters received a lot of funding. Can't recall from where right now.
And I always wonder why, if the 'left' was going to fund 'left media' why would they fund someone as untrustworthy as Brock among others whose leanings were clearly not 'left'.
You had to be there watching it all, I suppose, and I happened to be a member of DK when all this was happening and being exposed.
We were fooled by what called itself 'the left' at that time, and even though a lot of people saw through it all, Bush made people go along for a while, however reluctantly.
Hillary MUST condemn these attacks, or she will suffer the consequences of being associated with a low life life sneak, going back to his old ways, the ways he went after Clinton, and reminding people of those days. Hard to IMAGINE she could set all of that aside and remain silent about this smarmy tool.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I remember all the way back to the great "Media Whores Online" website,"My DD," "Buzzflash," "Firedoglake" (spinoff by disatisfied Kosacks) and other early sites before the Blogs were introduced. I read at KOS early on and met him and have a signed copy of their first book when they went on book tour and appeared in my city. I drifted away from KOS when infighting started and since I was already a DU'er early on...I stayed here where there was much more activism and diversity and the format was more welcoming.
I've noticed what you have about the early young journalist/bloggers who I thought might be new Progressive or Liberal Voices gradually becoming more DLC leaning. Josh Marshall was a great new voice when he started TPM and had his "Muckraking Section" at the blog. But, times change and he became DLC Centrist as his site grew and he began to get outside funding. I saw that with others as you observed.
What a time its been and watching with frustration that our hope for a Powerful Progressive Media counterpoint to the FOX and other RW News Media Empire wasn't going to come as soon as we might have thought given our mighty efforts.
Maybe one day we will get there. Nice to share those memories. It's been an interesting time and I'm glad to have experienced it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)a disinformation warehouse himself, unfortunately, if this video is any evidence.
You can't do things like this and not stain your reputation.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I couldn't help but laugh at how obvious he was. You take away what you want from the facts my ass.
Eriteo
(22 posts)Was that an attempt to show a "struggle"?
Why the loop?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I'm guessing it's the "style" of the day to reinforce the message.
frylock
(34,825 posts)go get your shinebox, Brock.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Fuck him. I will no longer donate to them.
Just another political 3 card monty game.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Major league.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)And I concur
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)lol
valerief
(53,235 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Good part is...he made a fool of himself and her campaign AND her...this early on.
Next!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)So Hillary OPPOSES negotiating cheaper heating oil prices and other programs for poor and elderly people in the colder states?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That's probably a poor issue to campaign on, but she put it out there.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Read the Huffinton post story.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)From an email sent them from her Super PAC that coordinates with her campaign. Since her campaign is smearing Sanders for providing discounted heating oil to poor people, the only conclusion people can draw is that she's in favor of letting poor people freeze to death.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I don't think HuffPo published the whole email (I could be wrong) but after he admits to the whole thing (he's showing integrity there, at any rate) why do you think it's important anymore that HuffPo didn't publish the whole email?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)reporter replying to a story the reporter wrote. The reporter made the email contents public. Hillary was not involved in any way.
But that isn't juicy enough hence the story you want to tell.
snip- The email, sent to a Huffington Post reporter in response to an article about Corbyn and Sanders without any agreement that it would be off the record,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Into an email reply to a reporter, with no 'off the record' agreement in place?
Stop it, y'all are killing me!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)No I didn't think so
riversedge
(70,195 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)he slimed Bernie with an email to HuffPost
Hillary supporters have been demanding proof that it happened, this is it
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)What more FUCKING CONTEXT would you like?
djean111
(14,255 posts)No context! Um, yes, and Brock admits to it.
Trash the source! Okay - Bloomberg. Uh-huh.
and so on. I think it is a required response, really.
frylock
(34,825 posts)to watch this trainwreck happening again.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...for Hillary and Brock does not even attempt to deny that what Huff Po reported is true.
This whole "no context" thing you are trying to push is impotent.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Brock and Correct the Record have now branded themselves as Swiftboat liars, in favor of poor people freezing to death. I doubt they'll recover any credibility. All those Super PAC million$ are wasted.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The e-mail in question was never released publicly, it was only sent to the media. It looks like Brock had hoped the media would run with the story without identifying him as the source so he could launch a smear campaign without anyone tying it to him or the Hillary campaign. Unfortunately for him the media did identify their source and the smear attempt backfired on him.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)thank god that the HuffPost journalists revealed it.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)WITH the email that he sent. He never sought prior agreement so they ran with it. They are not under any obligation to comply with the request.
The email flagged Corbyn's "most extreme comments" in response to a HuffPost article about the two politicians, and requested that the communication be kept off the record, though without any prior agreement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-clinton-correct-the-record_55f85058e4b09ecde1d9d374
frylock
(34,825 posts)just what I would expect from Clinton's floundering campaign.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)But in this case, the reporter didn't take the bait.
Makes you wonder what other emails they're sending, and to whom, that we don't know about.
frylock
(34,825 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...uncomfortable.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)He's now actively looking for ways to take down her opponents in questionable ways.
An irony, that his book "Blinded by the Right" made me more able to recognize the very techniques he himself is employing.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)but old habits die hard, especially when neoliberals get desperate. Why does corrupt ideology lead to sleazy ethics. Third Way = Scumbag.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)even human?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)his reptilian look...
reddread
(6,896 posts)TSIAS
(14,689 posts)But what is the deal with David Brock's hair? Did he inherit James Traficant's toupee?
On a more serious note, it seems like there has always been dissension between Clinton insiders. Brock already left one Super PAC and joined Correct the Record. Between Mark Penn, Sidney Blumenthal, and Lanny Davis , Clinton has some of the most odious people reprsenting her publicly.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)This is exhibit A.
This is exactly why she lost in 2008, and why she isn't going to fare any better in 2016.
Arrogant, entitled buttheads like this guy.
portlander23
(2,078 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)In fact, it's pretty telling.
Bad, shitty strategy
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)And she'll end it once she becomes POTUS.
1monster
(11,012 posts)can-out-there-and-hope-something-sticks" procedure.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)It does show how very hard it is to attack Bernie, though.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Typical Clinton operative using typical Clinton tactics.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Here who accused Anita Hill of having ulterior motives and made money off his disgusting attack on her
yet he is a liberal hero huh ?
sorry not overhere
aspirant
(3,533 posts)but David Brock is a Clinton strong point.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I think there is a big difference. But, I am glad you have Corny West.
senz
(11,945 posts)hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)There's no way that white mop look is real.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)Keep him on the ropes.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)back in the 1980s? Slimy little weasely guy, with the little round glasses, attempting to duck every single question asked of him, and attemtping to turn the question around back upon the interviewer?
Brock is absolutely that guy.
For your viewing pleasure...
https://screen.yahoo.com/nathan-thurm-tobacco-growers-america-000000071.html
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)David, we know your tactics, they are as clear as day so don't bother.
What a joke he is, and WHY is this jerk in a such prominent position in our party?
Where are the people of integrity and honesty we KNOW exist within the Dem Party?
That he is so prominent in the party only emphasizes the need to reform the party as soon as possible.
Everything we claim to abhor about the Republicans, is now viewed as okay for US to do.
Sorry, I despised the dirty tricks and smear campaign tactics of the Right, and I simply can't be so hypocritical as to approve of them when our side engages in the same tactics especially when they use an unethical person like Brock.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)he is not an outlier....he is so very compatible with the likes of Sidney Blumenthal and Lanny Davis.
I'm sure that Dick Morris, Bill Clinton's 1996 Campaign manager
would probably still be in the Clinton fold if his scandal hadn't led to his downfall.