2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Surrogate David Brock Pleads with Base to Stick with Clinton
An Open Letter to Democrats: Stop Freaking Out, Start Fighting BackWhat if I told you we had a chance to elect a transformative progressive president -- someone with an inspiring personal story, a long record of accomplishment on behalf of the most vulnerable, a keen understanding of how to effect real change in a broken political system, and an ambitious agenda for bolstering the middle class?
And what if I told you we were at risk of blowing that opportunity because we couldn't stifle our own propensity to panic?
Clinton ally slams pro-Warren effort as cynical and misguided
David Brock, the former conservative journalist who switched sides to found an archipelago of leading Democratic groups, including two PACs supporting Clinton, devotes most of his new book Killing the Messenger to the media and the right-wing plot to derail Hillary.
And then there are those like the leaders of the online activist group MoveOn who rather cynically see the opportunity to build their e-mail lists and make some money by backing a more progressive alternative, Brock writes. MoveOn joined forces with a PAC that was trying to draft Elizabeth Warren for president, despite the fact that she said emphatically she wasnt interested and even signed a letter with her fellow women senators urging Hillary to run.
It was all part of a misinformed campaign by some of the left, unwittingly serving the interests of the right and enabled at every turn by a press corps that always favors conflict, Brock continues.
Doesnt David Brock have something better to spend his time on than driving a wedge between grassroots progressives and Hillary Clinton? MoveOn spokesperson Nick Berning said in an email to msnbc. Id bet there are lots of folks in the Clinton campaign who are livid at him for lashing out at progressives like this. She needs progressive support if she wants to win.
Brock elaborated on the thought while discussing Sanders in an interview with Bloomberg Tuesday evening: I dont necessarily see so much logic in a significant primary challenger to her, because shes been [on the progressive side] on these issues.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I'd ask who you're talking about, because it sure isn't Clinton.
(ETA: I'd also say Brock didn't actually move very far in his 'switch' from 'conservative' to Hillary supporter.)
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)He said so many horrible things about the Clintons in the 90's that he is trying to feel like he has done something about that.
I recall having to defend the Clinton's from mindless accusations by right wing idiots all thorugh the 90's thanks to the American Spectator and the Arkansas project.
In his book, "Blinded by the Right," Brock discusses how he was trying to use his conservatism to connect with his father. I think he still feels guilty for the harm he did, which had the good outcome of his creating the Medaimatters website. An act that I applaud him for. But he feels obligated to make amends to the Clintons personally was well and while that might be true, this is not the way to do it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)make a fabulous case for bernie
What if I told you we had a chance to elect a transformative progressive president -- someone with an inspiring personal story, a long record of accomplishment on behalf of the most vulnerable, a keen understanding of how to effect real change in a broken political system, and an ambitious agenda for bolstering the middle class?
uh, that's bernie, dude.
its not too late, mr brock.....
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)...I still don't see a solid strategy that wins a national election with an electoral where 45% will automatically vote for the Republican, and where the opposition will have $1 B plus to spend on staff AND advertising.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and i don't think anyone thinks so.
but the interesting thing about bernie and trump is they are appealing to people who traditionally are lock step on "the other side."
this election is not playing by any of the previous rules of engagement.
should make for a very interesting ge
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)His arguing for a progressive after Hillarys shift is down right laughable.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Autumn
(45,042 posts)The desperation is palatable.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)and I agree that it's probably been blown all out of proportion. I also agree that Hillary has been on the receiving end of some really unfair, sometimes sexist stuff. None of that has anything to do with why I prefer Bernie. The reason it looks like the "base" is starting to move away from Hillary toward Bernie has nothing to do with emails or Benghazi or any of the other fake scandals, and everything to do with policy positions. Bernie is a for-real progressive; Hillary has finally admitted she's a centrist. It would appear that progressive politics is getting to be a thing now. Brock might want to consider that rather than fussing about what he thinks hoi polloi think about the email non-scandal.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)He has never gotten out of the 20% range nationally since he entered the race.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)Hers have slipped.
Just wait.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)the earliest primary states, I'd say not long.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)He is down everywhere else.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)He is behind in states where he isn't well known. This will all change over the next five months.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I know you guys would like to hold the GE tomorrow, but that ain't happening.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I am sure till the primaries start. Most likely till Super Tuesday.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Unfortunately Obama, after the groundswell he brought out, governed far to the right of where he campaigned.
Faux pas
(14,657 posts)that the one 'coronated' one has to use others to fight her battles. She gets less impressive by the minute.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)get impressed with Hillary anyway so what does it matter to you?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Who sleepwalks through the issues, and exists in a hermetically sealed world untouched by the people.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)To this 40+ year Democrat, she's republican lite...a bit right of Ike, a bit left of Reagan, just about same as Nixon. No thanks, I'll take a real progressive - Bernie Sanders.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Wow, Hillary's a regular Mother Teresa.
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restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)He's pathetic and kind of a creep.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)Brock apparently hasn't figured out yet that the "base" isn't panicking over the email non-scandal; many Democrats are just starting to find Bernie the more attractive candidate because of his consistently progressive positions.
Prism
(5,815 posts)I've never liked the guy. Gay men who aid the right-wing never impress me, and just because his oiliness is now being served to our side doesn't make him any more palatable.
He's always struck me as an establishment opportunist.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And it instantly blew up in his face. He used to to the exact thing to Democrats when he wrote books for the GOP.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Unless that term means "transforming from a progressive to a centrist", which wouldn't surprise me one bit.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)like "Justice Thomas."
randys1
(16,286 posts)the GOP could take the WH will drive him to do anything in his power to stop that, I will help him.
frylock
(34,825 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the more corporate "Dem" pants are being loaded. Bernie means the end of the comfortable corporate-oligarch driven gravy train they've all been riding for the last 20 years.
for Bernie!
randys1
(16,286 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)let's see, he was a right-wing douchebag that wrote some pretty awful things about the Clintons, and is now trying for redemption by prostituting himself by issuing attacks from the right on behalf of Team Clinton. Does that about cover it? And yeah, I'm well aware of Media Matters, as if that gives him a pass on his bullshit. I actually conducted a phone interview with them several years ago for a spot on their team as a sysadmin and web dev. I probably would've landed the job if I wasn't living in CA at the time. In any case, fair.org is better, and has been around a lot longer. Also, fuck David Brock.
randys1
(16,286 posts)When you say Fuck David Brock you are saying Fuck Media Matters, right?
frylock
(34,825 posts)like when I said Fuck Joe Lieberman, I wasn't saying Fuck the Democrats, right?
randys1
(16,286 posts)You are just adding to my reasons to no longer consider certain people liberals or Democrats.
Whether terribly blind or misguided or GOP plants, I no longer care which.
The endless and now harmful attacks of the likely Democratic candidate must not continue on an alleged board dedicated to the Democratic Party.
Yet not only are they continuing, but if someone fights back against it, they are silenced.
Crazy shit
frylock
(34,825 posts)something he should've considered prior to sending that email. But nobody is going to accuse Team Clinton of using any kind of foresight, that's for sure. In any case, I'm sorry you feel it sacrilege to criticize The Brock. That's the problem with identity politics.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Brock is a DEM establishment partisan hack who spins for establishment DEMS. I much prefer Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting for my media watchdog stuff, they are leftists who aren't beholden to one of the two parties.
frylock
(34,825 posts)evidently, if you're not kissing this former right-wingers butt, your liberalism is called into question.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Brock, Carville, Begala, Lanny Davis -- I'm exhausted with all of them, don't have any interest in listening to them on TV.
They are not serving her well, in my view.
Hydraulico
(24 posts)?
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)about cozying up to Blankfein/Wall $treet and War Criminal Kissinger.
Bueller? Bueller?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)SamKnause
(13,091 posts)His name is Senator Bernie Sanders.
.......Conservative journalist who switched sides.............
She sure knows how to pick them.
olddots
(10,237 posts)but you can't take the republican out of the man.