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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:44 AM Sep 2015

Clinton Surrogate David Brock Pleads with Base to Stick with Clinton

An Open Letter to Democrats: Stop Freaking Out, Start Fighting Back

What if I told you we had a chance to elect a transformative progressive president -- someone with an inspiring personal story, a long record of accomplishment on behalf of the most vulnerable, a keen understanding of how to effect real change in a broken political system, and an ambitious agenda for bolstering the middle class?

And what if I told you we were at risk of blowing that opportunity because we couldn't stifle our own propensity to panic?


Clinton ally slams pro-Warren effort as ‘cynical’ and ‘misguided’

David Brock, the former conservative journalist who switched sides to found an archipelago of leading Democratic groups, including two PACs supporting Clinton, devotes most of his new book “Killing the Messenger” to the media and the “right-wing plot to derail Hillary.”

“And then there are those like the leaders of the online activist group MoveOn who rather cynically see the opportunity to build their e-mail lists and make some money by backing ‘a more progressive alternative,’” Brock writes. “MoveOn joined forces with a PAC that was trying to draft Elizabeth Warren for president, despite the fact that she said emphatically she wasn’t interested and even signed a letter with her fellow women senators urging Hillary to run.”

“It was all part of a misinformed campaign by some of the left, unwittingly serving the interests of the right and enabled at every turn by a press corps that always favors conflict,” Brock continues.

“Doesn’t David Brock have something better to spend his time on than driving a wedge between grassroots progressives and Hillary Clinton?” MoveOn spokesperson Nick Berning said in an email to msnbc. “I’d bet there are lots of folks in the Clinton campaign who are livid at him for lashing out at progressives like this. She needs progressive support if she wants to win.”

Brock elaborated on the thought while discussing Sanders in an interview with Bloomberg Tuesday evening: “I don’t necessarily see so much logic in a significant primary challenger to her, because she’s been [on the progressive side] on these issues.”


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Clinton Surrogate David Brock Pleads with Base to Stick with Clinton (Original Post) portlander23 Sep 2015 OP
We have the op to elect a real progressive - Bernie Sanders. Not a DLC/3rd way corporatist peacebird Sep 2015 #1
Heh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #2
indeed ibegurpard Sep 2015 #4
+1B. oh wait. we do have that opportunity. His name is Bernie Sanders. magical thyme Sep 2015 #37
...+1 840high Sep 2015 #52
Brock is talking out of his guilt kenfrequed Sep 2015 #55
his own words restorefreedom Sep 2015 #3
I would challenge the "chance to elect"... brooklynite Sep 2015 #22
it is not going to be a cakewalk restorefreedom Sep 2015 #25
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #33
Apparently Brock didnt get the memo that Clinton is now a moderate centrist. bunnies Sep 2015 #35
but a great endorsement for bernie! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #36
Agreed! nt bunnies Sep 2015 #40
maybe he's stuck at Hillary v7.0? magical thyme Sep 2015 #38
He needs to download the update. Stat! bunnies Sep 2015 #39
With all due respect. Nah, I'm gonna stick with Bernie cause he sticks with me. Autumn Sep 2015 #5
I don't care much about the email thing, The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #6
The base is moving to Bernie? upaloopa Sep 2015 #11
His poll numbers have steadily improved. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #13
How long? upaloopa Sep 2015 #17
Considering that he's already polling ahead in Iowa and NH, The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #19
No the easiest primary States for him upaloopa Sep 2015 #21
Whistling past the graveyard, are we? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #23
He is ahead in states where he is known AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #29
He'll pass her nationally in six weeks. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #34
tops. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #49
How about when the primary voting actually starts? frylock Sep 2015 #42
I asked how long upaloopa Sep 2015 #48
Progressive politics already showed how powerful it was in 2008 LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #14
I don't like Faux pas Sep 2015 #7
Admit it you weren't going to let yourself upaloopa Sep 2015 #10
... Faux pas Sep 2015 #12
It's hard to get inspired about someone AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #30
This from MSNBC the Comcast Trump 24/7 channel upaloopa Sep 2015 #8
To a former Rethug like Brock, Clinton appears progressive. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #9
"a long record of accomplishment on behalf of the most vulnerable," SMC22307 Sep 2015 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #16
lol....i know! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #26
Ugh jkbRN Sep 2015 #18
I love the smell of desperation in the morning. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #20
Brock puts the Hill in shill Prism Sep 2015 #24
He went after Sanders from the right AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #27
She can't be a "transformative progressive" and a self-described "centrist" at the same time. arcane1 Sep 2015 #28
An absolute contradiction in terms hifiguy Sep 2015 #47
Brock knows what is at risk. I think he is actually scared, the idea that randys1 Sep 2015 #31
Brock is scared, but it's not fear of the GOP that drives him. frylock Sep 2015 #43
The stronger Bernie becomes hifiguy Sep 2015 #46
You clearly dont know anything about him, his history, to say that. randys1 Sep 2015 #50
It's not like it's been touted all over the board and easily accesible on the internet or anything.. frylock Sep 2015 #54
Fuck Media Matters? Boy, cant believe I read that here randys1 Sep 2015 #57
When I say Fuck David Brock, I'm saying Fuck David Brock.. frylock Sep 2015 #58
Brock is Media Matters. I would expect to hear that crap elsewhere, not here. randys1 Sep 2015 #59
Well then Brock does Media Matters a disservice with his red-baiting bullshit.. frylock Sep 2015 #62
I am not a fan, is it a requirement in the DU TOS to like Brock or Media Matters? m-lekktor Sep 2015 #61
I think it's verboten to speak ill of anyone that Clinton surrounds herself with.. frylock Sep 2015 #63
Hillary should have gotten a new pack of attack dogs Dems to Win Sep 2015 #32
What's a surrogate? Hydraulico Sep 2015 #41
http://dictionary.reference.com/ n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2015 #51
Remind me again, Dave, what exactly is progressive hifiguy Sep 2015 #44
Excuse me if I sound rude, but David Brock looks like hell! reformist2 Sep 2015 #45
It's been a tough 2015 for him, see... PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #53
We do have a chance to elect a transformative president !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Sep 2015 #56
you can take the man out of repukian land olddots Sep 2015 #60

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Heh.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:51 AM
Sep 2015
What if I told you we had a chance to elect a transformative progressive president -- someone with an inspiring personal story, a long record of accomplishment on behalf of the most vulnerable, a keen understanding of how to effect real change in a broken political system, and an ambitious agenda for bolstering the middle class?


I'd ask who you're talking about, because it sure isn't Clinton.

(ETA: I'd also say Brock didn't actually move very far in his 'switch' from 'conservative' to Hillary supporter.)

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
55. Brock is talking out of his guilt
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:21 PM
Sep 2015

He said so many horrible things about the Clintons in the 90's that he is trying to feel like he has done something about that.

I recall having to defend the Clinton's from mindless accusations by right wing idiots all thorugh the 90's thanks to the American Spectator and the Arkansas project.

In his book, "Blinded by the Right," Brock discusses how he was trying to use his conservatism to connect with his father. I think he still feels guilty for the harm he did, which had the good outcome of his creating the Medaimatters website. An act that I applaud him for. But he feels obligated to make amends to the Clintons personally was well and while that might be true, this is not the way to do it.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
3. his own words
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:52 AM
Sep 2015

make a fabulous case for bernie

What if I told you we had a chance to elect a transformative progressive president -- someone with an inspiring personal story, a long record of accomplishment on behalf of the most vulnerable, a keen understanding of how to effect real change in a broken political system, and an ambitious agenda for bolstering the middle class?

uh, that's bernie, dude.

its not too late, mr brock.....

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
22. I would challenge the "chance to elect"...
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:46 PM
Sep 2015

...I still don't see a solid strategy that wins a national election with an electoral where 45% will automatically vote for the Republican, and where the opposition will have $1 B plus to spend on staff AND advertising.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. it is not going to be a cakewalk
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:50 PM
Sep 2015

and i don't think anyone thinks so.

but the interesting thing about bernie and trump is they are appealing to people who traditionally are lock step on "the other side."

this election is not playing by any of the previous rules of engagement.

should make for a very interesting ge

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
35. Apparently Brock didnt get the memo that Clinton is now a moderate centrist.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:32 PM
Sep 2015

His arguing for a progressive after Hillarys shift is down right laughable.

Autumn

(45,042 posts)
5. With all due respect. Nah, I'm gonna stick with Bernie cause he sticks with me.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:53 AM
Sep 2015

The desperation is palatable.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
6. I don't care much about the email thing,
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:53 AM
Sep 2015

and I agree that it's probably been blown all out of proportion. I also agree that Hillary has been on the receiving end of some really unfair, sometimes sexist stuff. None of that has anything to do with why I prefer Bernie. The reason it looks like the "base" is starting to move away from Hillary toward Bernie has nothing to do with emails or Benghazi or any of the other fake scandals, and everything to do with policy positions. Bernie is a for-real progressive; Hillary has finally admitted she's a centrist. It would appear that progressive politics is getting to be a thing now. Brock might want to consider that rather than fussing about what he thinks hoi polloi think about the email non-scandal.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
11. The base is moving to Bernie?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:58 AM
Sep 2015

He has never gotten out of the 20% range nationally since he entered the race.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
19. Considering that he's already polling ahead in Iowa and NH,
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:37 PM
Sep 2015

the earliest primary states, I'd say not long.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
29. He is ahead in states where he is known
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:56 PM
Sep 2015

He is behind in states where he isn't well known. This will all change over the next five months.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
42. How about when the primary voting actually starts?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:54 PM
Sep 2015

I know you guys would like to hold the GE tomorrow, but that ain't happening.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
14. Progressive politics already showed how powerful it was in 2008
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:11 PM
Sep 2015

Unfortunately Obama, after the groundswell he brought out, governed far to the right of where he campaigned.

Faux pas

(14,657 posts)
7. I don't like
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:54 AM
Sep 2015

that the one 'coronated' one has to use others to fight her battles. She gets less impressive by the minute.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
10. Admit it you weren't going to let yourself
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:57 AM
Sep 2015

get impressed with Hillary anyway so what does it matter to you?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
30. It's hard to get inspired about someone
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:59 PM
Sep 2015

Who sleepwalks through the issues, and exists in a hermetically sealed world untouched by the people.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
9. To a former Rethug like Brock, Clinton appears progressive.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:56 AM
Sep 2015

To this 40+ year Democrat, she's republican lite...a bit right of Ike, a bit left of Reagan, just about same as Nixon. No thanks, I'll take a real progressive - Bernie Sanders.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
15. "a long record of accomplishment on behalf of the most vulnerable,"
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:22 PM
Sep 2015

Wow, Hillary's a regular Mother Teresa.

Response to portlander23 (Original post)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
20. I love the smell of desperation in the morning.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

Brock apparently hasn't figured out yet that the "base" isn't panicking over the email non-scandal; many Democrats are just starting to find Bernie the more attractive candidate because of his consistently progressive positions.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
24. Brock puts the Hill in shill
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:49 PM
Sep 2015

I've never liked the guy. Gay men who aid the right-wing never impress me, and just because his oiliness is now being served to our side doesn't make him any more palatable.

He's always struck me as an establishment opportunist.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
27. He went after Sanders from the right
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:53 PM
Sep 2015

And it instantly blew up in his face. He used to to the exact thing to Democrats when he wrote books for the GOP.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. She can't be a "transformative progressive" and a self-described "centrist" at the same time.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 12:55 PM
Sep 2015

Unless that term means "transforming from a progressive to a centrist", which wouldn't surprise me one bit.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
31. Brock knows what is at risk. I think he is actually scared, the idea that
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:04 PM
Sep 2015

the GOP could take the WH will drive him to do anything in his power to stop that, I will help him.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
46. The stronger Bernie becomes
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 03:09 PM
Sep 2015

the more corporate "Dem" pants are being loaded. Bernie means the end of the comfortable corporate-oligarch driven gravy train they've all been riding for the last 20 years.

for Bernie!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
54. It's not like it's been touted all over the board and easily accesible on the internet or anything..
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:19 PM
Sep 2015

let's see, he was a right-wing douchebag that wrote some pretty awful things about the Clintons, and is now trying for redemption by prostituting himself by issuing attacks from the right on behalf of Team Clinton. Does that about cover it? And yeah, I'm well aware of Media Matters, as if that gives him a pass on his bullshit. I actually conducted a phone interview with them several years ago for a spot on their team as a sysadmin and web dev. I probably would've landed the job if I wasn't living in CA at the time. In any case, fair.org is better, and has been around a lot longer. Also, fuck David Brock.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
57. Fuck Media Matters? Boy, cant believe I read that here
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:24 PM
Sep 2015

When you say Fuck David Brock you are saying Fuck Media Matters, right?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
58. When I say Fuck David Brock, I'm saying Fuck David Brock..
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:31 PM
Sep 2015

like when I said Fuck Joe Lieberman, I wasn't saying Fuck the Democrats, right?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
59. Brock is Media Matters. I would expect to hear that crap elsewhere, not here.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:32 PM
Sep 2015

You are just adding to my reasons to no longer consider certain people liberals or Democrats.

Whether terribly blind or misguided or GOP plants, I no longer care which.

The endless and now harmful attacks of the likely Democratic candidate must not continue on an alleged board dedicated to the Democratic Party.

Yet not only are they continuing, but if someone fights back against it, they are silenced.

Crazy shit

frylock

(34,825 posts)
62. Well then Brock does Media Matters a disservice with his red-baiting bullshit..
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:45 PM
Sep 2015

something he should've considered prior to sending that email. But nobody is going to accuse Team Clinton of using any kind of foresight, that's for sure. In any case, I'm sorry you feel it sacrilege to criticize The Brock. That's the problem with identity politics.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
61. I am not a fan, is it a requirement in the DU TOS to like Brock or Media Matters?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:40 PM
Sep 2015

Brock is a DEM establishment partisan hack who spins for establishment DEMS. I much prefer Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting for my media watchdog stuff, they are leftists who aren't beholden to one of the two parties.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
63. I think it's verboten to speak ill of anyone that Clinton surrounds herself with..
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:48 PM
Sep 2015

evidently, if you're not kissing this former right-wingers butt, your liberalism is called into question.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
32. Hillary should have gotten a new pack of attack dogs
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:08 PM
Sep 2015

Brock, Carville, Begala, Lanny Davis -- I'm exhausted with all of them, don't have any interest in listening to them on TV.

They are not serving her well, in my view.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
44. Remind me again, Dave, what exactly is progressive
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 03:07 PM
Sep 2015

about cozying up to Blankfein/Wall $treet and War Criminal Kissinger.

Bueller? Bueller?

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
56. We do have a chance to elect a transformative president !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:23 PM
Sep 2015

His name is Senator Bernie Sanders.

.......Conservative journalist who switched sides.............

She sure knows how to pick them.

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