2016 Postmortem
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Jennifer Granholm, senior advisor for Correct the Record: "I dont think this is the kind of thing that she would be uttering. She has been entirely positive."
Mrs. Clinton wouldn't have said the dishonest thing her Super PAC said on her behalf.
Got it.
A Pro-Clinton Super PAC Is Going Negative On Bernie Sanders
A super PAC backing Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is going negative, circulating an email that yokes her chief rival Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to some of the more controversial remarks made by Jeremy Corbyn, the United Kingdom's new Labour Party leader, including his praise for the late Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan leader who provided discounted fuel to Vermont in a deal supported by Sanders.
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HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Brock is her guy, she can't walk back her responsibility.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ever would or could trust. He is in the category of Rove, a person of no principles, shifting from side to side depending on how it might benefit him personally.
He has been on probation with Dems most of whom NEVER trusted him. As for Media Matters who even goes there other than the circle of bloggers who themselves are part of the Third Way Wing of the Dem Party.
I am glad he was caught and kudos to the reporters who refused to hide his ID.
I am not the least bit surprised nor are most Dems, who remember WHO he is and what he did and who never trusted him, but were willing to let him go his way so long as he didn't return to his slimy, dirty tricks.
Well, I guess it's hard to change your ways when you are that unethical without some kind of deep counseling.
You can expect to see this incident referred to many times throughout this campaign, because Brock just provided a perfect example of what has so disturbed over 80% of Americans regarding the money poured into our electoral system, paying for these kinds of filthy, tactics, many times the IDs of the Perps ARE kept hidden, and it is all legal, thanks to people like the Kochs.
We now have a real life example of what that dirty money buys.
We don't need this in our system of elections.
Bernie Sanders has never run a negative ad, he opposes these kinds of Super Pacs and for good reason.
Brock just provided us with a perfect example of those reasons.
If a candidate cannot win an election based on their OWN positions on issues, but have to turn to sneaky, vile, personal attacks, they are not qualified for the job they are asking us to give them.
Hillary needs to quickly condemn this.
O'Malley condemned the negative ad from a super pac supporting him. That was the ethcial thing to do.
If she doesn't it's hers and yes, it will be brought up over and over again to make sure these dirty Corporate funded tactics get the full light of day.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Remember Dick Morris?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)a lot more naive back then, pretty clueless actually. Now of course, it all makes sense.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)No need to keep repeating it until I understand. I do.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)it because you surely don't get it.
I HATE Citizens United and what it has done to our country.
Brock is merely the slime hired by the Oligarchs who pour billions of dollars into our elections in order to CHOOSE the candidates THEY want.
Brock isn't even smart enough to get a real job. Naturally working for what will one day be illegal as it should be, is about all someone of his caliber of integrity can do. That's what he always did, isn't it? So he's a perfect 'employee' for those shadowy figures whose IDs are protected, another travesty allowed by CU. Someone with no morals, no integrity.
Hell if I were looking for a hitman I would be looking for someone just like him to do my dirty work for me. Thankfully I am not.
Otoh, I think if I were, I would look for someone a little smarter.
I assume then since you don't really get it, that you are a supporter of Citizens United.
We have to assume that Hillary is also, though she says she will work to end up. However since she has not condemned this use of the worst aspects of CU, we have to assume that she was merely saying what she felt was necessary to say during election season.
I will repeat again, Citizen's United is the democracy destroying SC decision that a majority of the American oppose because it robs them of their rights as citizens, and allows a wealthy few to BUY our elections.
Brock is a perfect employee due to his character which we are all very familiar with though he claimed to have reformed, to be tapped by these shadowy billionaires to do their dirty work for them.
But what does it say about Hillary, that SHE is the candidate these unidentified billionaires want in the WH?
Because unless she does as O'Malley did when one of his super pacs attacked Sanders, condemn it, then we will have to assume that she approves this use of Citizens United, one of its worst aspects, even while claiming she opposes it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)I think you are smarter than that.
Your passion I also get, your viciousness about it and, again, ignoring what Brock has done in the past number of years, no one gets I would think.
Remember how much Fox hates Brock because of the work he does to expose their lies and all the media lies.....it is yeoman's work?
THAT is heroic.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and since few people, as I said, other than those who post on liberal blogs ever HEARD of Media Matters, not to mention how mild their critiques are, to call him a hero is simply laughable.
No Progressive supports Citizen's United. He not only supports it, obviously, he is profiting from it.
And yes, you are correct, he is one of the few people who have caused me to use epithets I generally do not use when referring to human beings.
We all have lines that we sometimes cross, mine are few as I generally see little benefit in using dehumanizing epithets no matter who the individual is.
However, I have failed to find polite words to describe my opinions of this particular individual, but will work to do that because you are right, no one should sink to the level of those they are rightfully criticizing.
I will go back to using more appropriate words to describe this person and his code of 'ethics' in the future.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Media Matters has literally dozens of articles mentioning the evil of CU....do you really not know that, or just not care??
And having to play by the rigged rules is not "supporting CU"!
Brock is a progressive superhero, the nemesis of Fox and the corporate media.
You really do seem to have your facts mixed up.
And being successful with Media Matters and making a living....I do not resent success or call liberal success stories "slime" over and over again as if that convinces anyone.
frylock
(34,825 posts)but nobody is buying this shit except for the people who vehemently denied that it ever happened.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)been out there since Huffington post released it.
By tomorrow it will be Chelsea's baby who attacked Bernie
frylock
(34,825 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)A guy that attacks someone for helping poor people get heat in the goddamn new england winter? I dont give a fuck what he founded. He's an asshole.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)karynnj
(59,495 posts)Yet the same people funded Bush/Cheney and the SBVT.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)That's what McCain-Feingold tried to end.
It is what Hillary had embraced through a "loophole." The loophole will close as illegal, but not before Hillary cashes in on it.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Her surrogates say that shit for her. We have the internet and teh Googler and can figure that stuff out now.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Brock, first for his deceiving, vile lies AND for attempting to hide his ID.
But mostly, for USING CU to do this dirty work, the SC Decision she SAYS she will work hard to get rid of?
If SHE has not condemned it personally, then she supports it.
So from now on we will know when she claims she opposes CU that this is simply more of the same old campaign rhetoric the American people are sick to death of.
Autumn
(44,972 posts)it for Hillary.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)needs to read his book, Blinded by the Right and then come back and tell us how much you LOVE the jerk.
READ IT.