Hillary is going to win.....

[BooScout]

She will win most of the Democratic primaries, most of the delegates, nearly all the super delegates and she will win the General Election as well.

I know many think Bernie is different and everyone will flock to his banner....but fact is that most won't. ....and many of us have been around to see it all play out before. Some virtual unknown captures some people's attention for awhile, rises so far in the polls and then doesn't go anywhere. This is happening just like it has before and more than likely will during the next election.

Most Democrats don't think Bernie has what it takes to win the GE. Most Democrats support Hillary (DU excepted of course). She is winning every national poll among Democrats and will continue to do so. In fact, she will get a rather large bump in the polls when they finally take out the un-candidate Biden from the equation.

America is not going to elect a self-described Socialist, whether he calls himself a Socialist or a Democratic Socialist. Neither are Americans prepared to elect someone who is promoting a Revolution with a price tag of 17 to 18 Trillion.

You can call the front runner Democrat all the names and labels you can think of....Corporate Democrat, elitist Democrat, establishment Democrat, etc. You can complain the front runner never mentions the names of other Democratic candidates and you can complain the press ignores your candidate......it makes no difference....at the end of the day....we know who will be representing the Democratic Party in November of 2016. Her name is Hillary. She will win. That's called reality.

[daleanime]

1. I'm not so sure of that.....

but have a great day!

[HassleCat]

2. Well, cancel the election, then

Why bother voting if we already know the outcome?

[brooklynite]

7. Care to point us to your objection to a post saying that Sanders would win?

There've been a few.

[HassleCat]

35. I would do that

If anyone posts something to the effect that Sanders will win because he's entitled to win, as if he's some kind of demi-god who should not have to bother swatting at a pesky opponent, I will be all over that. If you want to steer me in the right direction, I will stick a pin in that balloon.

[DanTex]

52. Hmm. I didn't see the words "entitled" or "demi-god" or "swatting" or any of that in the OP.

[HassleCat]

55. Neither did I

But the OP is one of those opinions from Clinton supporters that cite her strengths and assets in a way that make it seem her destiny is not just inevitable, but ordained. Personally, I don't mind so much, since this is normal behavior for supporters of political candidates. The Sanders and O'Malley supporters do essentially the same thing, only without the "It's her destiny!" stuff. We have primary elections so the voters can see and judge the alternatives. Clinton stands an extremely - and I mean extremely -- good chance of winning the nomination and the presidency, but it's not ordained. The voters went for progressives 130 years ago, and they could do it again.

[DanTex]

72. Nobody said it's her "destiny" or that she is "ordained" either.

What you are objecting to is your own fantasy version of the OP. The only things you object to are things that you made up.

[HassleCat]

79. It's OK. Really.

I realize supporters of political candidates can go over the top quite easily. The OP expresses the opinion that nothing can stop Hillary Clinton, and it expresses that thought quite breathlessly, and makes it all seem like a matter of destiny, describing Clinton's path to the presidency as "reality." And that's OK. Those of us who support Sanders just like to remind the Clinton supporters that we have an alternate reality, and it's at least theoretically possible. I'm not trying to harsh on your buzz or anything, but you might not realize how these posts look to people who are not ardent Clinton supporters. They're downright worshipful. And that's OK, as I already said, but I will take a little shot at them when I get an opening. Please note I'm not calling anybody stupid or delusional, or anything like that. I realize there's a good chance I will end up voting for Clinton in the general election, and I'm just fine with that.

[MADem]

85. You just got your argument handed to you--so it is "OK" I'm sure.

It's "OK" apparently for one crew to insist their candidate will inevitably win on the strength of his "rightness" or "vision" or the fact that unnamed "old people" are anecdotally talking about him in a diner somewhere about how he doesn't take any of that money that will be needed to combat the GOP, but if another candidate's crew does the very same thing, you pull out the "entitled" and "over the top" and "destiny" and "breathlessly" cards, with a side order of snark.

Come on.

It just is what it is--partisan cheerleading. And there's plenty of dewy-eyed 'breathlessness' and 'destiny' and 'reality' visioning to go around.

On both sides.

I mean, this shit works just fine from the other side of the fence:

I'm not trying to harsh on your buzz or anything, but you might not realize how these posts look to people who are not ardent Sanders supporters. They're downright worshipful. And that's OK, as I already said, but I will take a little shot at them when I get an opening. Please note I'm not calling anybody stupid or delusional, or anything like that. I realize there's a good chance I will end up voting for Sanders in the general election, and I'm just fine with that.

[HassleCat]

89. I know all that

As I said, people get worshipful about their candidates. Me too. I love the guy because he's a progressive and a democratic socialist, kind of my dream candidate. I even see some posts claiming Bernie Sanders will win because he is morally pure, good defeats evil, etc. If he does win, it will be because people catch on, pick up on the subtext, etc. But there's one element to the Clinton campaign missing from the Sanders campaign, and this may be the only real stylistic distinction, but the Clinton people often include this component of what they like to call reality or inevitability, but I like to call destiny, and some detractors like to call entitlement. And I do sometimes remind my fellow Sandernistas of harsh reality when they post things saying the enormous Sanders tsunami will roll in and drown the Clinton campaign, etc. I even remind them to try to be a little fair to the Clinton campaign, and they tell me to take a hike.

[quickesst]

82. We know...

...and they certainly know those are just a couple more phrases concocted solely by the pro-Bernie/anti/Hillary crowd with abysmally weak attempts to infer they are actual quotes from Hillary's supporters, hence the dishonest, misleading use of quotation marks. They will not own up to it, and will continue to repeat in the hope that eventually it will stick, and be believed by someone. I predict a very long wait.

[AgingAmerican]

70. It is implied

nt

[treestar]

122. Someone is simply giving their opinion

A prediction.

[HooptieWagon]

3. Cancel the primaries!!! Prepare for the coronation!!!

Uh, this might be news to you, but Sanders is polling higher than Obama was at this time. Hillary is trending downward, and Biden is readying to step in as Establishment's Plan B. It's looking like a trainwreck.
Go ahead and enjoy your smoke though...must be good stuff.

[bvar22]

91. Thank You.

Clearly the OP doesn't remember 2008,
just like the Republicans can't remember that 9-11 happened on Bush's watch.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. We shall see.

[Dawgs]

5. "That's called reality."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I think we need more to be more gracious but I realize how utterly inane my pleas for comity are.

eom

[brooklynite]

10. In what way was this not gracious?

There were no insults of Bernie Sanders OR of his policies. There was (in my opinion) an honest assessment of how ordinary voters (the type that don't hang out here) are likely to view him. If you disagree, there's plenty of bandwidth to offer an opposing viewpoint.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I agree with most of her points. I just subscribe to to the theory it's better to make a friend ...

I agree with most of her points. I just subscribe to to the theory it's better to make a friend than an enemy, hence my quixotic plea for comity.

[cali]

30. lol. it was thoroughly nasty- right down to the dishonest Murdoch

WSJ meme of an 18 trillion price tag; a meme that has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked.

[U of M Dem]

117. Care to define "ordinary voters"

Or is that just a euphemism for HRC supporters? After all, "ordinary voters" chose Obama over HRC on a similar message to Bernie's (hope and change vs anti-establishment).

[frylock]

131. You know, ordinary voters. The type that don't hang out here..

or on Facebook, or reddit, or attend Bernie Sanders events irl.

[RoccoR5955]

64. Yes we have to be more gracious

and just accept the coronation. Resistance is futile. You shall be assimilated.

[Aerows]

124. With all respect

I you think you missed the poster's point.

[RoccoR5955]

152. Okay, so I am an idiot...

Please educate me.

[Aerows]

153. Now I didn't say that Rocco

The post you replied to was a plea for more civility. I'm a Sanders supporter, but we really can do a little better at being civil towards each other, no matter which Dem we support.

I appreciate DemBeforeBirth offering the reminder.

[RoccoR5955]

156. I shall be civil to them

when they are civil to me. Not before.

[Aerows]

123. Thank you

As a Sanders supporter, but an unfailingly loyal Democrat, you do yourself - and the party - credit by not throwing mud at fellow Democrats, even though you may wish to vote for someone differently in the primary.

We need more of your attitude in the party, my friend.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

125. I am trying to be pacific and set a good example but it's hard and I sometimes slip.

eom

[Aerows]

136. We all do the best we can

Emotions get high, and every now and then we all slip. It's enough if we all do our best to be respectful of each other, though .

[virtualobserver]

8. we will see

[cloudbase]

9. People were saying the very same thing

around this time in 2007.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. A year is an eternity in politics.

I learned long ago never to try to predict what's going to happen in elections, especially this far in advance. Joe Biden could decide to run, which would change the balance. Polls are merely snapshots in time and only illustrate trends over time (and Bernie is now trending up while Hillary is trending down - but that could change too). Previous elections are not necessarily indicative of what will happen in this one - this election is off the charts for weirdness where the GOP is concerned, and what's happening with those nutballs will also affect what happens with the Dems. It's all a crapshoot. The only thing I feel pretty sure about is that Hillary does not have the nomination in the bag.

[mccallen]

12. I cannot wait to see Hillary give the smackdown

To Bernie. She is the BEST

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. LOL.

[Duval]

97. x1000! eom

[nichomachus]

21. It will be a low blow. You can be assured of that.

That's what the Clintons excel in.

[pandr32]

53. Your post is a low blow

Or don't you realize that?

[HooptieWagon]

36. Which of her surrogates will be assigned the job?

I hope they're ad ridiculously incompetent as the previous ones...that was hysterical watching it blow up in her face.

[AgingAmerican]

73. Thus far every 'smackdown' has blown up in her face

Or her surrogates faces. She attacks him from the right at great peril to her own campaign.

[frylock]

83. More insightful analysis. So why the delay?

Hillary should be chomping at the bit to "give the smackdown To Bernie." Looks like she's more interested in giving the smackdown to wealthy donor's checkbooks.

[leftofcool]

111. And she will do this.

[morningfog]

13. Rah rah rah, with a sprinkle of RW nonsense for good measure!

Hillary is going to lose AGAIN. As she lost in 2008. It may be in the primary. I hope it is in the primary, because she can't win the general. She will never be president.

[pipoman]

14. Your first presidential election I see....

How Cute.....

[RufusTFirefly]

15. One day I will believe in self-fulfilling prophecies

(But until then, I'm sticking with democracy.)

With respect, your unsubstantiated argument is about as compelling as "Choosy mothers choose Jif"

Unless you possess a crystal ball, I strongly recommend that you focus on getting your candidate elected rather than attempting to squelch any sort of dissent before even the first presidential primary has been held.

[nichomachus]

28. One of the most amusing things in election cycles

Is watching naifs make predictions. Don't spoil the fun.

[RufusTFirefly]

42. Great moments in predictions...

"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr. Epstein" -- Decca Records A&R man, Dick Rowe, rejecting the Beatles, 1962

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist. . . ." -- last words of Union General John Sedgewick, killed in action, 1864

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977

"Hillary is going to win….." -- BooScout, 2015

[nichomachus]

44. Let's not forget Bill Kristol's famous prediction

“If Hillary Clinton gets a race against John Edwards and Barack Obama, she’s going to be the nominee. Gore is the only threat to her … Barack Obama is not going to beat Hillary Clinton in a single democratic primary. I’ll predict that right now.”

[jmondine]

16. Well then I guess there's no point supporting that candidate Obama. Oh, wait...

[Martin Eden]

20. "price tag of 17 to 18 Trillion"

Swallow rightwing fake numbers much?

[HooptieWagon]

38. Evidently so.

[think]

22. You're posting right wing lies about Sanders from WSJ that have been debunked.

The economist who the WSJ based their figures on even refuted their claims:

An Open Letter to the Wall Street Journal on Its Bernie Sanders Hit Piece

Gerald Friedman, Professor of Economics, University of Massachusetts at Amherst - Posted: 09/15/2015 8:03 pm EDT

Gerald Friedman's research was cited in a Wall Street Journal story about Bernie Sanders's proposals for government spending. Friedman responds to that story below.

t is said of economists that they know the cost of everything but the value of nothing. In the case of the article "Price Tag of Bernie Sanders's Proposals: $18 Trillion," this accusation is a better fit for the Wall Street Journal that published it.

The Journal correctly puts the additional federal spending for health care under HR 676 (a single payer health plan) at $15 trillion over ten years. It neglects to add, however, that by spending these vast sums, we would, as a country, save nearly $5 trillion over ten years in reduced administrative waste, lower pharmaceutical and device prices, and by lowering the rate of medical inflation....

Full rebuttal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-friedman/the-wall-street-journal-k_b_8143062.html

[cali]

23. I agree that she'll win the primary. we'll then get the ugly spectacle of

of Hillary bellyflopping the general. Oh, and I love to break this to you, but on social media and dem websites, Bernie massively wins over your dear Hillary. DU is hardly singular.

[NCTraveler]

24. I believe you are correct. It will become more clear....

When Sanders is forced to stand on stage with O'Malley and Clinton.

[99Forever]

31. Bwahaha....

Funny shit friend.

[NCTraveler]

37. Love making people smile.

Watch Sanders in his attempt to debate Michelle Bachman. You won't be laughing after watching how he did. Have a wonderful and smile filled day.

[cali]

43. I've watched Bernie debate scores of times. I look forward to your disappointment.

[NCTraveler]

45. I don't wish disappointment on you in any way at all. nt.

[cali]

46. could have fooled me.

[NCTraveler]

47. Wouldn't wish disappointment on you or try to fool you.

I do wish you the best.

[Fawke Em]

59. He let her hang herself.

Not sure what you were watching, but I remember it the first time.

She ended up sounding like the loon she is, while he hung back and looked statesman-like.

[NCTraveler]

60. He didn't stop trying to talk almost every second of the discussion. lol.

I understand people can see things differently, but hanging back doesn't include talking, then trying to talk, then talking, then trying to talk, all while your opponent runs over you with their talking points. Hanging back. Not under any concept of the phrase. Being able to see his frustration is hanging back? That is not an opinion. It was painted all over his face. Might want to watch Obama in this type of discussion if you want to see holding back and knowing when to throw punches. He is cool under pressure and delivers jabs to the opposition.

[frylock]

84. The only candidate being forced to stand on stage is Hillary..

Sanders and O'Malley are going to eat her lunch.

[peacebird]

112. Precisely why DWS is limiting the debates, & scheduling one for 19 Dec... Hoping no one will watch

[corkhead]

25. "The Black Knight always triumphs!"

[artislife]

26. This post was on my facebook feed

https://www.facebook.com/donnie.rodriguez1/videos/1083843851627655/




Republican trucker after watching Bernie's speech talking to Donnie. They have talked politics through the years, it seems from the conversation and respectively disagreed.

This guy put chills in my body, just like I was hearing Kennedy

People recognize a straight talker, they trust it, like it...

[Fawke Em]

62. That was awesome!

I just shared it on my Facebook!

Thank you for sharing!

[RoccoR5955]

74. Nice video.

Reminds me of what I am hearing from conservatives here in the North as well.

[99Forever]

27. Could message me next week's winning Powerball numbers...

....while you're at it?

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

29. Lying for Hillary. Fun, isn't it?

Except what you just babbled out was already debunked.

ALL HANDS. PREPARE TO DIVE! SOUND THE KLAXONS! DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!

That's what Hillary's trends will end up after the debates.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

32. Good news for the 1% shitty news for the 99%

Nothing to cheer about if you ask me

[riversedge]

33. and a reminder poster...

EqualityRising! retweeted
TKDMike ‏@tkdmike 1h1 hour ago

#GOPDebate @FoxNews @replouiegohmert @BobbyJindal @realDonaldTrump #UniteBlue #tntweeters @GovMikeHuckabee #foxnews

[WI_DEM]

34. Didn't they think she was going to win in 2008, too?

I say we wait until all the votes have been cast before speculating on who is giong to be the nominee.

[99Forever]

48. Oh no.

They didn't think it, they KNEW IT BEYOND ANY POSSIBLE DOUBT!!!!!

[mhatrw]

39. Live With It (tm)

[Autumn]

40. Sure she will. Just like she was going to win in 2008.

Her whole problem is, Hillary is still the same.

[sorechasm]

54. Hillary is running the exact same election strategy....

Demanding Super delegates votes before any citizens vote, out raising and outspending all other candidates on air time, revolving policy statements, fake emotions, etc. etc. Why would anyone expect a different outcome than 2008?

It wasn't just because she lost the black vote ( how condescending is that?). It was because of the entitlement personality that is portrayed in this original post.

Unless Hillary stands up to the 1%, she has to lie to the 99%.

Nobody likes being lied to any more.

[hifiguy]

99. It worked so well in '08 she decided to rerun it all in full.

Same sense of entitlement and arrogance. Same "running as an incumbent" strategy. Same tone-deafness to what's going on out in the country.

Jebus, she's been running for POTUS since Bubba's first term, and that means she's the only person in US history who has run for president longer than Richard Nixon did. Can you say obsession?

No one who wants the office that badly should ever be allowed within a light year of it.

[Warren DeMontague]

119. if anything, her team seems MORE out of touch this time around.

Did you see the shit about the Millennials in Ohio? And she thanks this room full of 19 year olds for "supporting me in 2008".... They're all, "we were 12"

I swear to fucking God, the denial among the fucking boomers that there's a generation EVEN BIGGER THAN THEY ARE out there, is epic.



She might as well tell them she really enjoys listening to Frampton Comes Alive on her quadraphonic hi-fi, you know, to establish that college student cred.

[Nothingcleverjustray]

41. Holy fuck.

Wow. Just wow.
With all the problems this country has, income inequality, institutional racism, and wars everywhere just to name a few. Hilary is our only hope? Shit.
The thing about Bernie is that he doesn't represent the statute quo, he's the better candidate.
I don't feel the country will survive 8 more years of the "same old".
But then again it if we keep voting against our own best interests, maybe we shouldn't get to go on.
The experiment that is America may just fail after all.

[mcar]

49. K&R

[beam me up scottie]

50. Resistance is futile.

And you guys call us a cult?

[DanTex]

51. Yup. This pretty much covers it.

[Depaysement]

121. Like manure in a desert

But even less useful.

[Fawke Em]

56. And, if she does, the 99 percent lose. eom

[Vincardog]

57. Will you still believe after BS wins Iowa? NH? SC? The nomination? The general?

Hell you can believe that inevitable crap up until
Bernie is sworn in if it helps you.

Just don't expect me to fall for it.

[leftofcool]

58. I love it when you stir things up. Brings them all out!

[sibelian]

63. Oh, is it trolling, then?

I did think so.

[leftofcool]

107. Nope, just praising his candidate.

See, praises for Hillary bring out people who really do hate her. But, I am okay with that.

[sibelian]

149. ... but there's nothing in that OP that resembles praise...?

...?

[RoccoR5955]

61. She will win, because the election is fixed.

That is the only way I see that she can win. The corporatists on the Dem side have finally figured out that they can hack the voting machines to their own advantage.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. And, we will lose if she does.

[RoccoR5955]

68. So if Bernie gets the nod, I guess you will not be voting for him?

Because "we lose."

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

69. Huh? If he gets the nod I'll vote for him.

If Hillary gets the nod I'll vote for somebody else.

[RoccoR5955]

75. sorry, my bad! n/t

[bigwillq]

66. Probably

But still a lot of game left to be played.

Go, Bernie, Go!

[sibelian]

67. I suppose she *might*.

The thing is, I can't see why she would.

[Politicalboi]

71. LOL!

Thy name is Hillary!!!!!!

So you ignore us here at DU but take the word of the media. TRUE dems support no baggage Bernie, but will hold their nose and vote Hillary if we have no other choice in the GE.

[jkbRN]

76. Seems to be

a spineless justification. Most polls don't even include Bernie in match ups (especially lately)--when they did, Bernie did better than Hillary is some polls and in others she did better.

Substandard argument.

[liberal_at_heart]

77. That's what everyone said last time too. Bernie could absolutely win. Doesn't mean it is a

guarantee. He may not win. He is not the end all be all of this movement. The people are waking up to the corruption. There will be more Occupys. There will be more Bernies. There will be more average Americans standing up to the injustice.

[left-of-center2012]

78. Can you also predict Powerball numbers?

Can you?

[McCamy Taylor]

80. Yes. And I am surprised at how many self described "Dems" are unhappy over this.

It is a pity that we do not have a parliamentary form of government which would create a number (not just two) parties. But we have to work with what we have.

[frylock]

81. Nothing in your OPINION here addresses even one issue..

Nothing! Just Hillary will win because Hillary! Oh, and SOSHULIST!!12 Fucking laughable. I'd be embarrassed to post twaddle like this on a public forum.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

159. +1 n/t

[randome]

86. No one should be burning any bridges, now or later.

That applies to DU and it applies to the Democratic Party. Anger prevents rational thinking. It does look like Clinton will win. We could do better (we can always do better) but that's reality. I don't understand those who insist on bashing their heads against a wall.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[AtomicKitten]

87. But HillaryIs44 insists she's 44.

http://www.hillaryis44.org/

[jonno99]

88. of course there is this bit of news:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/09/18/clinton-foundation-sponsor-dow-exxon-hp-samsung-hsbc-hp-mastio-column/72336094/

[Gothmog]

90. Predictwise and Nate Silver back this prediction up

According to the onlline quiz/test, I am close to Sanders in my positions than Clinton but I am supporting Clinton now because she is viable and is one of the few Democrats who can raise the money needed to compete against the Kochs and the GOP

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

142. How can she be viable if 2/3 of America doesn't even trust or favor her?

Sorry to say, but I have never seen an candidate with such high unfavorable number win the General Election, have you?

[BooScout]

150. There's a one point difference in that....

...quiz that I took with BS being one point ahead of HRC in line with my views.....but I too am choosing HRC because I think she stands a much better chance of winning the GE.....and I also think she stands a much better chance of getting things done once in office. I also think that BS as the nominee would actually hurt a lot of Dems down ticket.

[valerief]

92. Ciao forever. nt

[MineralMan]

93. I believe you're correct, but I also

believe that it will happen over the very vocal objections of some people. Once she has the nomination locked up, the excrement will hit the air mover and things are going to smell bad for a while.

That's how it looks to me, anyhow, when I look at all of the states and the number of delegates needed to get the nomination. Those February states don't add up to much, really.

[Truthteller3562]

94. And the best part...

And the best part is all of the Hillary haters will vote for her in the end because they won't have any other choice. It will be her or Trump.

[jeff47]

101. Yeah, how'd that plan work in 2010 and 2014? (nt)

[bkkyosemite]

103. I absolutely will NOT

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vote for Hillary. She is in bed with Monsanto, loves GMO's and Wall Street. Those Super Pacs she adores. I will vote for Bernie Sanders period.

[leftofcool]

110. Ah, a write in post.

[TheKentuckian]

120. Hardy har har. Plus, I'll be holding those that went with the force feed culpable for

the train wreck that hits either way it turns out and very much deservedly so.

[Warren DeMontague]

130. I'm fully prepared to vote for her if she's the nominee.

I don't think some of her supporters are even the least bit prepared for the monumental temper tantrum they're going to have if she's "robbed" of it again, though.

Do you?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

134. I'm not a Hillary hater, but don't know of any power on earth that will compel me to vote for her.

[MisterP]

95. the "participation-medal" candidate?

[Milliesmom]

96. That is incorrect,your reading the wrong news if you believe that,and he will win.

No, Bernie Sanders' Domestic Policy Plan Doesn't Really Cost $18 Trillion.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/no-bernie-sanders-domestic-policy-plan-doesnt-really-cost-18-trillion


http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism


Nothing wrong with Democratic Socialism.
We love Bernie and believe in him. Look at his record, does anyone really believe he would do anything to harm any of the American people or America?

[Duval]

98. Thanks for your post and link! eom

[Milliesmom]

102. also see

Thom Hartmann: The WSJ's Attempt to Take Down Bernie Backfires
video at right, he explains how the WSJ out and out misrepresented the article.

[1000words]

100. Bookmarking ...

[Flying Squirrel]

104. Is there a "blah, blah, blah" smiley?

guess that's as close as we get.

[Walk away]

105. Not only is she winning, but I am guessing that the primaries will be over in record time.

Bernie isn't getting as much traction as the media hoped. They had a bonanza with the 2008 Dem primaries and everybody got good ratings and made beaucoup bucks with that horse race.
The only way the numbers look like they are changing at all is if you add Joe Biden into the mix. Otherwise, a thirty point plus lead isn't going to get anyone tuning in until the general.

I actually think it would be a better race if Hillary had some real competition in the real world. Maybe that will happen when she runs for re-election.

[leftofcool]

108. March 1. Count on it!

[Gloria]

135. Bernie is now on the radar and Bloomberg has already

starting scrutinizing his plans....Mark Halperin ...

Also questioning that if he says he wants to reduce the military to help pay, other than saying to maybe getting rid of an aircraft carrier or two, what are the specifics. He doesn't answer those types of questions.

[Walk away]

137. That's so Trumpish! nt

[Gloria]

141. It is...and seeing him tied with Trump and Carson with

Republican voters in VT, it seems he's attracting the middle finger crowd. Very odd, though, considering his rather liberal attitudes....

I've thought that he is the other side of the Trump coin, on the left...

[TBF]

106. Well you don't need my help then -

or the help of any other Bernie Sanders supporter. Carry on ... and we will sit back and watch.

[leftofcool]

109. Thank you.

[liberal_at_heart]

113. exactly.

[peacebird]

114. I believe this was the song you guys were singing in 2007 also... How did that end again...?

That's right. Little Miss Inevitable lost to Barack Obama.

[tularetom]

115. I think your posts are hilarious but I'm putting you on ignore because your sig line makes me puke

Buh bye.

[cascadiance]

116. So is your interpreting what most regard as an opinion as a "fact" because of events like this?....

... that you know have happened in an effort to establish some basis that her coronation in the future is somehow "fact" now?

[Warren DeMontague]

118. Ah, so we're back to "inevitable", this week?

[DesertFlower]

126. bernie is not well known. just today

my friend said "people don't know who he is". of course, being the political junkie i am, i've known about him for many years.

will he win? i hope so, but if hillary is the nominee she will get my vote -- not in the primary -- bernie will get it, but in the general election.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

160. they are getting to know him fast

[bernmobile2016]

127. There is no way she wins

Her negativity is only growing, she refuses to give straight answers, she is going against the anti-establishment movement..and she is hardcore establishment and super wealthy, she is evasive on issues, she is still under investigation and will into next year, her trustworthiness is negative in virtually all states and nationally. And the #1 reason she won't win anything... America already knows her just the same as Jeb and Donald. They aren't new or fresh. The country has made up their minds on her long ago, and there will never be some huge shift like you claim. This is simply common sense. People do not love Hillary, the vast majority of her supporters simply tolerate her. And the final reason she doesn't win.. what the heck is her campaign's main theme/message? Heck if I or anyone knows.

[akbacchus_BC]

147. As compared to Fiorina and her lies during the last GOP debate about Planned Parenthood,

Mrs. Clinton is best positioned to win. She did no wrong using her private email server, nothing was hacked and there are no secrets in her emails. She turned everything over, it took time but she did the right thing and even apologised. I will take her 100 times over any GOP candidate, they lie all the time. Look at the Jeb Bush retard, his brother kept America safe, his asshole brother ignored the crisis when Katrina occurred.

[bernmobile2016]

161. There you go....

Just the response I was expecting. You sound like a GOP candidate supporter.. not acknowledging the weaknesses I very clearly stated which are all proven as being multiple problems that has all but ended her run. You did not admit the problems she has.. the biggest is her being evasive on everything and anything which leads to trustworthiness. She still doesn't give a straight answer on anything, and she still has no detailed plan about what she would do as president as she wants paid focus groups to tell her. But thanks for playing.

[Half-Century Man]

128. Good luck with that, I think you'll need it.

Not that she would be bad, just she isn't the best we have available.
In my occasionaly humble opinion.

[jfern]

129. Just like in 2008 against Obama, huh?

[DCBob]

132. Yes, I think so too.

Bernie has made some noise but he simply doesnt have a wide enough appeal to be competitive all across the country.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

133. It would be a tragedy for America, but your subject line may end up being correct. I hope not.

[krkaufman]

138. Not especially helpful

... many of us have been around to see it all play out before. Some virtual unknown captures some people's attention for awhile, rises so far in the polls and then doesn't go anywhere. This is happening just like it has before and more than likely will during the next election.

Yep, just like that upstart back in 2008. His popularity spiked and then he dropped... right into the White House.

Most Democrats support Hillary (DU excepted of course).

True, if "most" means 37%. She hasn't be above 50% since the end of July, and has dropped 10% each of the last two months. (poll)

That decline will slow, certainly, as will Bernie's rate of growth, but that national poll doesn't mean a lot if one candidate steamrolls the other in the early primary states.

She is winning every national poll among Democrats

She was leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, as well.


I've barely visited DU in eons, and have posted even less, but this OP really rubbed me the wrong way. I suppose it's partly because of the scummy attack put out by David Brock, and how this OP carries the same air of superiority and arrogance that seems to surround the candidate in question, but I think it's mostly because it was just as detached from reality as I see from my far right friends all too often.

The primary season may well be a long one, and no candidate is inevitable.

[PowerToThePeople]

139. Another shit thread to put n the trash bin.

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

140. ....second place

n/t

[Ken Burch]

143. Another "neener, neener, neener" thread.

How, exactly, do you think it helps your candidate to post sneering, arrogant OPs like this?

Yes, HRC is ahead at the moment(with a declining lead, by many measures), but, as Brecht's "Song Of The Moldau" puts it

"The world's always changing, however enormous,
The plans of the mighty, when dawn comes, are through".

History does not reward the smug.

[anamnua]

144. Hillary is going to win.

Hillary actually won more votes than Obama in 2008. She was cheated of the nomination by a combination of the the disenfranchisment of Florida and Michigan and caucus fraud.

[AtomicKitten]

145. Bless your heart.

[delrem]

146. No. That's not true.

Hillary will be rejected.

[writer not writing]

148. Boooooo, Scout!

Nothing is predetermined.

[Scuba]

151. She might, in which case the rest of us lose.

[whatchamacallit]

154. Nothing more inspiring than these

"You have no choice, my candidate will be shoved down your throats, like it or not!" posts.

[dogknob]

155. It must be hard being so beat down that trying is just not an option anymore...

[Bettie]

157. So, those of us who don't favoer her in the primaries

or in my case, Caucuses, should just stay home and wait for the coronation?

Will it be a big ceremony, with large corporate sponsors?

[Attorney in Texas]

158. I swear this is word-from-word from posts made by Clinton supporters in 2007. You know that, right?