2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPeople who are bewildered by Hillary's campaign are ignoring the facts, or worse.
I suppose it is easier to shut your eyes and ears and say blablablabla all day rather than look at the facts.
Hillary has provided detailed plans of action for each of the issues she will work on as President. They are everywhere (except the media) for you to review and discuss. The media, of course has mostly negative stories on her, so don't search there.
The detailed plans can be discussed and dissected. But to suggest that she says nothing is just either complete bullshit--or ignorance.
She is running her campaign in steps (as she has stated again and again) I suppose those who only sit in the echo chamber may not have noticed her process. She created a specific plan of action for her campaign. The first step was traveling around the US and listen to people. The second was to outline her goals and the details of her plans. Both of those steps she has done. She is now moved forward to the next step.
I know that the goal here for many is to attack relentlessness, even if it means making up lies or getting the source from Rove...but to suggest that she is not saying anything is Bullshit.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)There was a plan to step up the pace after Labor Day, well, guess what, it is after Labor Day and for those who are arguing she has changed her plan because of poll numbers, etc has not been listening. The Rovian theories will continue, anything to pounce on her campaign, we will get past this also.
yourout
(7,527 posts)Here is my take.
#1. The Benghazi controversy is media bullshit. But the email nonsense is going to dog her for the rest of the election and if she wins the primary the Pukes are going to into hyper spin mode. The interviewer on FTN was like a dog with a top sirloin steak....if would not have been against a break he would have kept pushing her.
#2. I like that she was willing to defend Plan Parenthood with no strings attached.
#3. It irritated the shit out of me that she was not willing to give a yes or no answer about no attack adds on Bernie. Just say yes or no.
Honestly I would not have had a problem if she had said no. It's politics and attack adds are part of the equation.
#4 It irritated the shit out of me that she laughed when asked about the perception of her being a political insider. She seems to think she isn't.
cali
(114,904 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)If she attacks him it will backfire badly since he doesn't attack her. Can't wait for her to do it.
Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)So she can't say "No" and then appear not in control.
The PACS which she does not control are the ones who will bring attack ads.
I've heard from our party attorneys that there's a Bernie PAC in the works out there. You think you can count on them not to do attack ads?
Oh, right , because he has 865 of them online- maybe it won't be necessary.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)The refugee crisis and increasing the amount of people we accept, our policy with Russia, Planned Parenthood, Health Care and the ACA, Jobs, income inequality and many more subjects. She has already issued policy papers on many of the issues and she mentioned that this week she would be releasing her ideas on how to improve the ACA by reigning in high prescription drug prices.
Conversely, I have never heard BS speak about much except banks and income inequality. I guess he will hire people to take care of all those other pesky issues. He's not the only candidate running with that plan. The other side has one or two as well!
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Ignorance is bliss.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Bernie has plans for college tuition, SS, income disparity, racial equality, police violence, etc., etc. His positions are well know for anyone that cares to vote for the best possible candidate.
As for this in your OP:
Please, everyone, be educated voters and pick the best possible Presidential candidate(s).
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)There are many democrats who are concerned that Sanders is not viable in a general election contest and I have repeatedly asked for any explanation as to how Sanders will compete in a general election contest where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the GOP candidate will be spending another billion dollars.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)A process she has been involved with , yet once again nothing but garbled excuses .
But your right , it's not about policy but the amount of donations they receive , nothing says democracy like a bank balance .
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)...you haven't been listening. (Or looking at his web site.)
If you genuinely want to know his position about something, if you ask in the BS group, I bet someone will let you know.
Outside of "banks and income inequality", you shouldn't have to look hard to find his positions about things like
climate change/keystone pipeline
trade agreements/TPP
college programs
moving from ACA toward single payer/Medicare for All
financing social security
private prisons
demilitarizing the police
civil liberties/patriot act
money in politics/super PACs
when we should and shouldn't have used military force
racism in the justice system/police forces
drug policy
voter disenfrachisement
employee family leave and vacation time
immigration
and more. If you can't find these things, you're not looking.
He also has a long (and consistent) voting record that can tell you his positions on most issues.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yeah... Ol' Hill's gonna take care of them personally!
Facts, huh?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)You haven't heard Sanders speak about anything but banks? Who's living in an echo chamber? Bernie's laid out specific plans for healthcare, tuition, energy independence, infrastructure repairs, cutting the Pentagon budget, and more.
This is one reason I won't be voting for Clinton under any circumstances. She and her supporters are completely oblivious to reality
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Institutional racism and incarceration of PoC in the '90s?
Keystone XL?
TPP?
Prosecuting banksters to the full extent of the law?
Breaking up Wall Street corporations "too big to fail?"
Fracking in the US?
Fracking in eastern Europe?
How many jobs she will create to rebuild our infrastructure?
What is a living wage in the USA?
Whether the US going to war should only be done as a resort?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)or is it "everyday americans"
what is current term to describe the serf class these days?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)she isn't controlling her message and don't forget, she got a year and a half of 'inevitability' before bernie stepped in. the minute he did she fell. that is the thing. It is about her to some extent but if these policy positions resonated, he would remain a fringe irritant instead of a serious and inevitable threat to her run. She won't give the big answers to the big questions and she's invisible. She is tone deaf as a politician and she has idiots running her campaign. I truly believe she will lose this campaign and it will be her fault. Bill Clinton won his elections even after all the women fell out of the sky on us. Hows that for not being trusted but he won anyway because he knows how to run a campaign. No excuses. if she loses its her own fault. period.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)people are seeing through the bullshit and non answers. and when she does answer, it is typically not what a progressive wants to hear.
she keeps trying to sell inevitability but people are not buying anymore.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Where the hell have you been? Oh yeah. The echo chamber.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Lol, the irony. Oh and where are those links that all these good people are asking for?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)As it is said:
"Put up or shut up."
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I haven't heard them either. I was told a while ago by another DUer that she will tell us in her own time, when she damn well pleases. (that was the tone of the DUer, not HRC).
So maybe you can enlighten me since they wouldn't and said that HRC hadn't stated them.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)"I know Bernie. I respect his enthusiastic and intense advocacy of his ideas. That's what I want this campaign to be about. And I hope people who support me respect that, because this is a serious election. I obviously am running because I think it's better for the country if a Democrat who has the kind of approaches and values that my husband had and Barack Obama has follows this presidency."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcripts-september-20-clinton-and-paul/
"Has she outlined clear positions on the following subjects?" < I'd say yes. Outside people decide whether they want to continue living them.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)She is running to perpetuate in her words:
the kind of approaches and values that my husband had and Barack Obama has follows this presidency.
It is precisely those approaches and values that we progressive Democrats have a problem with.
They have done nothing to help the many Americans who don't have jobs that permit them to pay their bills. They have done lots to lift living standards in other countries, and that is great. But our kids are struggling to find and keep jobs that will permit them to live on their own. As are our pre-retirement older workers.
My neighbor dropped by last night. She has a large family. Good Catholics, homeowners, union workers, college-educated with bright, outstanding, good kids.
But the oldest is still living at home. Two are in community college. The youngest ones are doing well. One is about to graduate from high school. Does anyone understand how much work it takes to raise that many kids to be wonderful, loving, productive, intelligent citizens? It's a life of hard labor and sacrifice. That's what it takes. I admire my neighbor so much. What a wonderful woman. And her husband is just as great too.
Her teenager came home one day and said to her "Mom, you have to vote for Bernie Sanders."
And my neighbor is now a Bernie Sanders supporter. She is what you would expect to be the image of a Hillary supporter. But no. She is fed up with what the Clinton and Obama administrations have done for (or better said, NOT DONE) working people.
For example:
The Clinton/Obama/Biden clan is talking up the TPP.
No way, we say! No more trade agreements of that kind. Our Supreme Court is our highest court. We do not want trade courts. Get rid of the ones we have. And protect our jobs.
We live in California, not that far from the border with Mexico. Nothing against Mexico or Mexicans. They are my neighbors and my good friends. But we can almost smell the smoke from the stacks that used to tower over our workplaces here in America.
Now some areas in America still have a bit of industry. The Northwest is not doing to badly. We still have some. But our industrial base has shrunk. Our union memberships are down to as low as they can get if unions are to survive at all.
There are almost no shoes or textiles made in America. It's all imported. It's all cheap -- but what is happening to skilled craftsmen, seamstresses, people who like to make things in America? Who is even learning to do those things in America today? Yet clothing, shoes, socks, etc. are necessities in life. There are so many items we don't make for ourselves any more. Jewelry??? That we seem to make even today. Art? Lots of American artists. But really practical stuff we buy regularly? Who makes it in America any more. Do we still have a textile industry? Compared to what we consume? And yet people have no jobs?
The job market in the US just sucks for young people and for people over 50.
BUT WHAT ARE BIDEN, HILLARY AND OBAMA PUSHING?????? YET ANOTHER TRADE AGREEMENT, THE TPP, AND THEN YET ANOTHER AFTER THAT. Meanwhile they have not activated voters to change the tax structure so that those making the enormous profits from the agreements we have and the new technology we have, to pay their fair share of taxes. AND HILLARY WILL NOT BE ONE WHIT MORE EFFECTIVE IN THIS REGARD THAN HER HUSBAND OR OBAMA.
Why do I say that Hillary won't be better? Why do I say it with such certainty?
Two reasons: first (from the cynical me), she has no passion for it. She is all calculation and too little passion to push for something that does not improve HER bottom line. Second, her campaign donors don't want to change the direction we are now going with regard to jobs and trade. They made the money they give her by squeezing American workers and the American poor. That's why they can give her the money they do. So why in the world would either they or Hillary want to change the economic situation? Why would someone getting rich off the exploitation of the poor in Mexico, China, the Philippines and elsewhere and off the horrible economy in the US want to change those things?
The incentives in Hillary's life drive her to continue the lousy status quo.
And we want CHANGE.
We have had two Democratic administrations of Clinton-Obama-Biden types and they have done nothing about jobs and pay in America. Obama has tried, but he hasn't been able to get anything done other than through executive orders.
Hillary may say that the Republican Congress is not the fault of the Democratic leadership. I disagree. The Republican Congress is very much, may I repeat VERY MUCH the fault of the Democratic leadership.
The Democratic leadership has failed to strongly present and fight for an alternative to the Republican nay-saying. They have failed to cut the military budget and get the American people behind those cuts so that we can have a balanced budget. They have involved us in struggles all over the world that are none of our business, struggles in which we could play a meaningful supporting role but in which the people in the affected countries have to want self-determination and democracy for themselves badly enough to fight for it as our ancestors did in our country. Outsiders cannot impose self-rule on people who just plain don't want to get along together. Can't be done.
So the problem with Hillary is that no matter how many sweet, detailed plans she draws up and presents, we don't believe that she can fight to get anything done. If all those endorsements in Congress meant anything, we would not be in the mess we are in. Even when Democrats were in the majority in Congress, we could not so much as impeach Bush for lying us into an illegal war, torturing prisoners and spying on and patting down (even killing African-American) law-abiding Americans. (I, a short and friendly lady at 72, was patted down by the TSA just yesterday. Supposedly it was because I was wearing a "heavy" (acrylic) sweater. She had no excuse for patting down my legs. I wore a homemade, thin cotton pair of pants. May have looked odd but it was comfortable. It's OK, but it is a terrible waste of money and time and a violation of my rights.)
Democrats need to fight to get things done, to create a more just society. And Hillary and Bill and their cronies in Congress have not been zealous enough in doing the right things and creating that society.
As for the ACA, Sanders supports Medicare for all. I agree with that. I have several acquaintances and friends who purposely put off having surgeries until they could finally qualify for Medicare. One of them could have well afforded the surgery but just waited. Another was poor and suffered and could barely walk, living in intense pain for many years until she finally qualified for Medicare and had her hip operations. She is now doing extremely well, thank you. She walks like anyone else. That is astounding.
With Bernie's Medicare for all, she could have had her operations years ago and led a more productive and happier life. The return on the national investment in her health would have paid. How stupid to allow people to live in poor health and misery simply because their medical care would cost everyone money.
Bernie has policy plans and programs. He has been talking about them on the radio for years. We know what he stands for. That's why he doesn't have to role out the tedious details that Hillary has to put out there. We know Bernie. Just because the top Democrats mostly pay attention to the big fundraisers doesn't mean that we, the people, only pay attention to the politicos who raise a lot of money.
Hillary is too controlling. That is her problem. That is why people don't trust or like her that much once they hear Bernie.
Hillary's controlling is in her voice. It's in the way she is rolling out her campaign. It's in all the tedious and mostly irrelevant detail of her proposals. Congress has to pass her proposals. So far even when we had Democratic majorities, they haven't. So the detail in her proposals is not much of an argument for her. It's passion and persuasiveness we need. It's Bernie we need, not a lot of talk.
She made an effort to listen to voters? Bernie has been on the radio answering listeners' questions for years. Of course he did not have to spend weeks rolling around Iowa and New Hampshire "listening to voters." He has done that since at least 2004 I think. Ed Schultz is on board with Bernie because Bernie was a regular on Ed's old radio and TV shows.
Bernie is the candidate for 2016. I honestly don't think Hillary can win in a general election. It's Bernie who can!
Feel the Bern!
Buns_of_Fire
(17,174 posts)Perhaps that was a thought better left unsaid. I always thought that this would be a "Hillary I" administration, as opposed to a "Bubba II" one. What this says to me is "More of the Same".
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Of course, that is my opinion.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)"Any trade deal has to produce jobs and raise wages and increase prosperity and protect our security. We have to do our part in making sure we have the capabilities and the skills to be competitive. It's got to be really a partnership between our business, our government, our workforce, the intellectual property that comes out of our universities, and we have to get back to a much more focused effort in my opinion to try to produce those capacities here at home so that we can be competitive in a global economy."
At this time, this is the most reasonable position to take. A flat yes or no in advance of the specifics would be irresponsible and a flat no would be closing the door on the opportunity to advance our well being and our position in the world-economy .
Idelogical postureing is not what I want in a candidate or a president .
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Free_Trade.htm
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)is only aspirational generalities with which I cannot disagree. I note that she does not state any displeasure with NAFTA, CAFTA or the bilateral Chinese deal. Bernie voted against all three trade deals and is on record that they are bad for the environment and American workers. He would have to see differences in substance or negotiating modalities (e.g. secret and fast track scenario in each case) in the TPP deal. On the contrary, Bernie characterizes this as a repeat of history in trade deals.
When everything looks the same this time as the three disastrous preceding trade deals, it seems to present the basis for a prima facie case against TPP. What is Hillary's position on NAFTA, CAFTA and US-China?
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)... you will find her statements about the other trade deals.
I believe that in the absence of specifics, asperational generality is the only responsible position. In the absence of specifics, you can't say yes, and saying no would be to potentially pass up opportunities to advance our economic well being .
The essence of her position is preparing ourselves for the future so we will be ready to take advantage of opportunities as they arise; and to keep an open mind so we don't miss those opportunities .
An idelogical, a priori rejection of trade deals is not responsible and not in our best interest as a nation.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)position on anything. She will lose.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Sanders is a democratic socialist. Clinton is a thoroughly conventional Democratic politician.
"Radical" is perhaps too strong a term, but for the sake of convenience, let's say that Sanders proposes a "radical" restructuring of economic life in the United States. Hillary, on the other hand, proposes a more conventional approach that views capitalism and business more positively, with the conventional Democratic understanding of the need for certain restraints, rules and limits on capitalism and business.
Hillary also has a "conventional" American outlook on the inherent virtue of American style democracy. As a result, her ideas in foreign policy tend to be "expansionist" -- which is something that puts her on common ground with the "neo-cons".
Sanders and Clinton share a similar commitment to protecting certain civil liberties, but diverge over the proper balancing of civil liberties with the need for civil order and national security. Sanders support for civil liberties is more consistent across the board.
There is a lot of common ground between Sanders and Clinton, and there are also major differences. In practice, I'm not sure the practical results of either a Sanders or a Clinton presidency would be all that different. Either candidate will have to deal with a GOP House and a divided Senate.
I'll support Bernie Sanders first, but whoever wins the Democratic nomination will get 100% of my support.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)It's not to her advantage to let my main man, Bernie Sanders, flush her out right now. She feels secure in the Super Tuesday states, and she knows any sparring with Sanders will only give him more attention. And that means he will chip away at her lead. She's saving her money and her best stuff for the general election, obviously. I think she has even been trying to restrain some of her more "enthusiastic" supporters, although some of them have been motivated to take shots at Sanders. I don't all of that is happening with Clinton's blessing, although we have seen some evidence of coordination.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)her supporters from attacking Bernie.
Just curious because a PAC with which Hillary may legally coordinate and for which her supporters, like Brock and Granholm, work just did a low down smear on "your main man" Bernie. Not only did I see no evidence that Hillary attempted to restrain this, I see no evidence of her trying to remedy this. And, since the PAC is legally able to coordinate with her, I'd be very surprised if she did not have advance knowledge. So, it seems to me observable facts of which I am aware vary considerably from your thought.
Thanks in advance.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)"the observable facts of which I am aware" seem to be:
(1) PACs may legally coordinate with candidates
(2) Some PACs have run attack ads
(3) You have seen no evidence that Hillary attempted to restrain them
In other words, HassleCat thinks she has and you think she hasn't.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I find that unbelievable. Do you have any proof?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Too boring, too political, too Clinton, etc. The fact is she is an extremely bright, extremely qualified, extremely knowledgeable and ready to assume office on day 1... and she is an actual Democrat who will push for liberal policies. That's good enough for me!
cali
(114,904 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)She is out to win and if that means taking money from big business or giving speeches for $50,000 or having fund raisers for $1000 a plate then so be it. I know the anti-Hillary folks don't like any of that.
cali
(114,904 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)last election, the Kochs gave and got $10 back for every dollar they spent. They are giving millions to the candidate that will give them a return. Bernie won't. She is working for someone other than me. That much is obvious.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Using the word style avoids being uncomfortably close to other words like triangulation. Calling it her style instead of tactic or strategy also seems to try to make it look like people who take issue with what she's doing, are really just attacking surface issues.
There's a pretty strong understanding of how politicians get bought-and-paid-for, and Hillary is following that path.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its her style to use those types of tactics and strategy. I think that's the correct use of the term.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)If she want's to use a "style" that has corruption written all over it, she'll have a difficult time winning over liberals who have an alternative which hasn't been bought-and-paid-for.
Jackilope
(819 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)to the Real Democrat litmus test. Perhaps you cna enlighten us.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)you mean having 2700 per plate exclusive fundraisers, taking money from big time corporate tax cheats, and hiding under the cover of dnc because she is afraid of real debate,
then yeah, i don't like her style.
merrily
(45,251 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 20, 2015, 05:17 PM - Edit history (1)
The style is big, but the fact that so much of her money comes from the very kinds of people who grab their profits and underpay their employees (most of us), that's why Bernie is catching on.
Bernie is closer to ordinary people. Hillary is just another wealthy, self-interested businesswoman.
Sorry. But that is the sense we get from this election.
My neighbor's kids, all of them, good, intelligent kids, hard-working, all of them, live at home and cannot move out, cannot earn enough money to move out. That's because some people at the top just suck up all the profits.
The gravy, the juice that could cook out and does cook out of our economy all ends up in Switzerland, the Bahamas and other tax havens. We need a president and a Congress willing to change that ugly reality.
Hillary just isn't it. Because her donors are the ones making their profits in the trade that allows them to hide money from our tax laws. Why in the world should they or she want to make the changes we need when making those changes will diminish their profits and wealth?
There's the rub.
We want Citizens United to be flushed down the drain, not our government. That's why we are Democrats. We want a government that really enforces securities regulations, environmental regulations, that will modernize our economy and energy structure so that we can maintain a healthy environment.
Why should Hillary Clinton enforce the very regulations and advocate for laws that will cost her donors money?
This is why we want Bernie Sanders.
He is not bought. Hillary is.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)But I think the reason money tends to dominate her campaign and life is because she and Bill know it takes money to win elections, especially a run for the WH. She is no doubt a politician to the core and she wants to win more than anything but I do believe her "better angels" will emerge once she wins and is sitting in the Oval Office.
I look at the Clintons much like the characters in "Primary Colors". Hard core politicians but they still sincerely and deeply care about people.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)a general election, then we no longer have a democracy. We have a plutocracy.
I want a democracy. That is what my ancestors fought and struggled for and not just during the American Revolution.
I want self-rule, democracy, self-determination by the majority of the people, one person, one vote.
I do not want corporate rule. I do not want to be ruled by a lot of rich people.
We saw what happened after we elected Obama. He had received donations from Wall Street and the employees of Wall Street, and he appointed a Secretary of Treasury, a Fed Chair and people to his cabinet and the Attorney General's office, etc. that carried out the programs and wishes of Wall Street.
That woke us up.
Bill Clinton????? "sincerely and deeply care[s] about people" but appoints Greenspan as Fed chair?????
That just does not add up.
Not in my book, anyway.
Sorry for the typos in my posts. I type very fast,.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)And btw, she met with far more big money donors on her so-called listening tour than "everyday people".
And she's still ducking and weaving on the TPP and Keystone.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,582 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)And just like the rabid right wing, they'd have to make an effort to find out what they want to believe is actually very wrong and messed up. So of course they won't do it.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)when your wrongs are very publicly known.
Let' start with how she's propped up by the private prison industry and go from there
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/
and
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405229/-Private-Prison-Corporations-Stand-With-Hillary-Clinton
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I am certain your intentions are admirable. However, you might want to look at the total picture rather than the stuff the RW distorts.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)telling us she will tell us when she's elected is an insult, not a position. I can imagine Marie Antoinnette saying that.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)we are very, very wary.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)And I'm sorry, just because someone is out there with "Hillary did this" doesn't make something RW. In fact, Daily Kos is about as left as it gets. It is what it is, she's propped up by the prison prison industry.
You really should be asking questions instead of brushing things off with "RW distortions".
Let's take a look at another article from the left website commondreams.org http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/24/guess-who-else-fundraising-clinton-private-prison-lobbyists
In addition to Wall Street and the fossil fuel industry, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is turning to lobbyists for the two biggest private prison companies in the country, Corrections Corporation of America and the GEO Group, to raise money for her 2016 presidential candidacy.
Lee Fang of The Intercept made the discovery after examining Clinton's list of lobbyists who are bundlers for her presidential bid, released last week. Bundlers are people who raise money for campaigns by organizing and collecting contributions from other donors.
Among those funneling money into Clinton's campaign are:
Richard Sullivan of the firm Capitol Counsel, documented lobbyist for GEO Group.
Five employees of lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, which received $240,000 from CCA last year.
"Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests," noted Fang.
Fang's reporting comes on the heels of revelations that Clinton's campaign has also benefited from the largesse of the fossil fuel industry and Wall Street.
Critics say the fresh evidence of Clinton's ties to lobbyists for the private prison industry raises a host of new concerns.
uberblonde
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The money given to HRC by these prison-lobby bundlers was $45K. Peanuts! They got an average of 18 people to max out to her.
This is a sign of how she's been bought and sold? LOL
Now go look up (and add up) the amount of money the same industry people and lobbyists gave to all the Republican presidential candidates in this cycle. I guarantee you, it was a LOT more than $45K.
This was nothing but a plain old "we'd better cover our butts in case she wins" contribution.
I hate it when amateurs try to analyze politics.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)When people think they know what they're talking about and don't.
Ooops!
Oh and then there's this! You'll love this! <3
As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.
Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.
Hillary Clinton has a complicated history with incarceration. As first lady, she championed efforts to get tough on crime. We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders, Clinton said in 1994. The three strikes and youre out for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets, she added.
In recent months, Clinton has tacked left in some ways, and now calls for alternatives to incarceration and for greater police accountability. And while Clinton has backed a path to citizenship for undocumented people in America, she recently signaled a willingness to crack down on so-called sanctuary cities, a move that could lead to more immigrant detentions.
Ohhh what's that last sentence? Say that again? Ohhhh "she recently signaled a willingness to crack down on so-called sanctuary cities, a move that could lead to more immigrant detentions".....ya that sounds legit! Awesome!
Now who's the amateur?
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Truth hurts
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)The irony!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)to reach, inform and educate the voters.
The voters are willfully ignorant, politically lazy and otherwise busy. It is Hillary's job to get there attention and inform them of her positions.
Laser102
(816 posts)Smart, strong, intelligent, and capable. Sometimes, I wonder as I read these posts, if people are forgetting she was the one who brought the Iranians to the negotiating table with the strong sanctions she helped draft. She backed Obama when he wanted to take out Bin Laden. Biden did not. Her foreign policy experience will be needed now that Russia is increasingly provocative. Where she stands on TPP and Keystone is still unknown but I am going to venture she will do the right thing for the American people. As far as trust issues go, I trust her. This is my opinion and I am very sure there are plenty that will disagree. eom
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)but then, I learned to trust politicians during the Nixon admin. not
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)pulling plow for bourgeoisie class warriors in construction of peaceful corporate world power!
Long live neo-conservatism! The triumphant banner of Citizens United, the powerful ideological weapon against the workers of all nations in the struggle for the rich, for the victory of capitalism!
Let us warmly open our hearts to the Bankshevics, the brave intelligensia of the the corporate class and builders of great imperial power!
We place our hearts and trust in Hillary, valiant leader of production! Bankers of all nations, unite!
tularetom
(23,664 posts)The only thing is it isn't fooling people like it did back in the 90's.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I do not question your intentions.
I do believe you are uninformed, and listening to distorted attacks. Of course she is not a "warmonger."
jkbRN
(850 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)progree
(10,901 posts)You apparently just don't understand this ingenious new-fangled multi-step campaign thingy
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)silly me ......all is well now
progree
(10,901 posts)This from back in June when she began her nodding listening tour
At about 1:00 the nodding part is all over and they just blather on and on about politics (just plain old insipid blather) so no need to watch beyond 1:00. They claim it isn't doctored video (presumably meaning that its not on a loop and there isn't any repetition of segments, but that's just a guess on my part on what they mean. I don't see any repetitions of segments).
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)whether to laugh or cry......
progree
(10,901 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Voted for regime change in Iraq.
Pushed regime change in Libya.
Pushed regime change in Honduras.
Pushed regime change in Syria.
Supported Israel's horrific disproportionate bombing of civilians, killing thousands.
Pushed regime change in Yemen by use of drones and cluster bombs. The new regime's official motto is "Death to America". Oops. Her bad.
Was against regime change in Egypt, then for it, then for it again, perhaps she's happy now?
Everyone of these actions was supported and/or brokered by Hillary Clinton and ALL involved use of military force.
And I bet you think China Russia are acting unilaterally in their threatening postures?
Perfect.
The irony is, Hillary supporters refuse to admit Hillary's role in the refugee disaster, the violence, death, destruction and chaos that followed her interventionist policies at the State Dept.
Everywhere Hillary goes - violence, injustice, chaos, poverty, follow behind her.
On edit, I forgot, not everyone suffers under the Clinton dynasty
Banks and tax evading corporations, especially military contractors, for profit prisons, etc make unimaginable piles of cash.
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)once he gets back in the White House?
just checking
oasis
(49,376 posts)jkbRN
(850 posts)and it's not that I don't like her positions--however, I do not like her policy prescriptions.
To assume everyone is shutting her out or down is wrong.
People don't always share the same opinion(s) as you; might as well listen with open ears.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I took him/her at his/her word.
jkbRN
(850 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)doesn't say where.
good effort op.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)Her solution was to call for a conference of nations to assess the problem. Fair enough, but it just kicks the problem down the road and avoids taking a stand on, say, what $ the USshould commit, how many refugees the U.S. Should take, how the refugee crisis should change how we handle the war, etc. calls to action are usually calls to talk about action.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)everyone's sick to the bone of 101% (because it's KILLING them and their loved ones, while they're told how good they have it), and is just plain disliked outside the party: she's the "participation-medal" candidate who was ahead only because she was the only candidate, not because she had anything to offer
meanwhile her--advocates--are insisting IWR had nothing to do with Iraq and that she'll win VT in a landslide
nobody can even muster the effort to even care about arguing with them any more and just go into the real world, where people care if Sanders's been fighting for the 99% of us for decades now
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)but instead "can I believe Hillary's position on X?"
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... calling us stupid, ignorant, naïve, or blind (to paraphrase your utterly insulting and ridiculous OP) is sure to win us over.
Geebus effen cripes...
... do these Camp Weathervane shills think we really are that gullible?
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)I don't get what you are trying to say.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Thought I was having a senior moment.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth around here on an epic scale after super tuesday.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)the road, but we are out of road. Mostly because Hillary and her supporters refuse to challenge the rich to pay their faiir share for fear of offending them.
You can only hold back the anger at injustice and inequity for so long. Asking people to vote for more of it because (...) is a losing strategy.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Please tell me how he would do anything differently than he has for the past umpteen years?
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)She made her cash shilling the virtues of Wall Street to Wall Street banks, intervening against penalties for corporate law breaking and accepting "donations" to her personal foundation while acting in an official capacity as US State Dept. official.
While claiming she deserves to run State Dept. as her private business out of public view, she shamelessly shilled for NSA and supported Govt. spying on our email.
Honduras, Libya, Syria, Yemen left in ruins because of her interventions.
Her push to send jobs to China and India while flooding labor market with H1Bs has devastated communities across US.
She supports banking deregulation and private prison systems.
UNLIKE SANDERS, EVERYTHING SHE BELIEVES IN HAS TURNED TO CHAOS FOR MIDDLE CLASS AND BELOW.
In contrast to this, Sanders has voted and protested every single one of these destructive polices that enriched the Clintons at the expense of working class Americans.
HILLARY IS THE GREAT RICH HOPE FOR THOSE WHO FEAR THE WORKING CLASS BUT ENJOY A FEW SOCIAL BENEFITS SHE IS KNOWN TO VAGUELY SUPPORT. A VOTE FOR HER IS LIKE POURING GASOLINE ON A RAGING FIRE.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)ReactFlux
(62 posts)She has hired the best in the business on crafting messaging, but it still isn't swaying folks looking for something new, and by definition, never will.
Her biggest failing though is being a third way dem; e.g. corporatist.
Which is the very last thing this country needs, imho, and apparently millions of others see it the same way as well.
The DLC has a long track record of failure representing the 99% and it's way past time they moved over and let others with new ideas have a crack at it.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Bernie is same old same old. He has been in government for...how long? Fifty years?
He is pretending to be an outsider, when he has been the political ultimate insider.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)many, many years in government???
uberblonde
(1,215 posts)He's fought to keep the pork barrel rolling for the crappy, problem-plagued F-35.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Big gun manufacturers like him too.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)She signs off on wars to utilise their products .
ReactFlux
(62 posts)Which proves my point.
Though his policies haven't changed, he seems like an outsider, because his policies haven't been tried in decades. There is no pretending with him.
tooeyeten
(1,074 posts)Run by the right hate her, well over 20plus years.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)She won't even take a stance on TPP.
Are you excusing her from a position on this because it is not something that she will work on as President?
Or is it you who has found it is easier to shut your eyes and ears and say blablablabla all day rather than look at the facts?
Vinca
(50,261 posts)I hope I missed her take down of Carly Fiorina and the Planned Parenthood lie. She addressed it, right?
still_one
(92,136 posts)Nation today:
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/hillary-clinton-i-am-troubled-by-misleading-inaccurate-planned-parenthood-allegations/
"
Hillary Clinton, Carly Fiorina on Planned Parenthood
On CBS' "Face the Nation," Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said she had seen excerpts from the Planned Parenthood videos.
"What I am troubled by are the misleading, inaccurate allegations about them that we heard from Republicans at their debate," Clinton told CBS' John Dickerson. "This is really an attack on Planned Parenthood, which provides a lot of health services, from cancer screenings to contraceptive services to so many other of the needs women have."
Clinton added that the tapes were misleadingly edited and taken out of context, repeating what Planned Parenthood has said. She said to shut down the government over funding for Planned Parenthood would be "the height of irresponsibility."
Asked about a Senate vote to ban late-term abortions, Clinton said those abortions take place because of medical necessity. "Therefore, I would hate to see the government interfering with that decision," she added. "This gets back to whether you respect a woman's right to choose or not. And I think that's what this whole argument, once again, is about."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/tv/tv-guy/os-hillary-clinton-carly-fiorina-planned-parenthood-20150920-post.html
or how about this which was posted a couple of days ago:
"Hillary Clinton: 'Republicans Should Be Ashamed' Over Vote To Defund Planned Parenthood
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood_55fc580ae4b00310edf6e86f
Vinca
(50,261 posts)that was a pretty mild rebuke. The key words should be "Carly is a liar." Why doesn't anyone have the courage to say it? I'm not looking for things to fit my talking points. I'm looking for a candidate with a spine who won't turn out to be half a Republican after we vote for them. I remember Bill Clinton and the way he went from the talking points I loved to the policies I did not - NAFTA, welfare "reform," repeal of banking regulations. It turned out he was closer to Newt Gingrich than the voters who turned out for him. Hillary isn't Bill, of course, but I find her difficult to support based in part on the previous President Clinton. While it's true I'm a Bernie supporter, if Hillary is the nominee you will need my vote. You might keep that in mind. Bernie supporters always have the option of writing his name in on the ballot.
still_one
(92,136 posts)a while, condemned and said republicans should be ashamed for voting against planned parenthood.
You indicate you don't watch every Sunday talk show. I don't either. In fact I read rather than watch the MSM, but I do utilize google to try and decipher the various issues.
As for your statement regarding whoever is the nominee that candidate will need the other candidate's supporters to win the general election, and you are absolutely right, and I have made that point several times here on DU, always in response to those folks who said they will not vote for the Democratic nominee if isn't their particular Democratic candidate.
I absolutely have no problem voting for whoever the Democratic nominee is in the general election, unless it is Jim Webb, and his position on the Iranian deal, and the confederate flag is extremely troubling to me. Hopefully, that will not be an issue since his poll numbers indicate he is not in contention.
Unless O'Malley can garner more attention, most likely through the debates if at all, the primaries will involve just Bernie and Hillary. I don't think Biden is going to run, but if he does, it will create a lot of uncertainty. If he enters it would probably hurt Hillary more than Bernie, because there is essentially very little difference between Biden and Hillary on the issues.
Vinca
(50,261 posts)Every Democrat should say the name, not just Hillary. It's Carly Fiorina who spread a lie on national television that PP keeps fetuses alive to harvest body parts. Carly Fiorina. The others bang their anti-PP drum, but Carly is the person who must be singled out at this moment in time. The talking heads are staying away from it. The politicians are staying away from it. There's a government shutdown on the horizon that is going to be based on this BS talking point. There will be plenty of coverage then. All the old, white, male, GOP politicians will ascend their soapboxes and cite "harvesting body parts." Just wait and see. All the while Democrats stay silent because they're afraid some dimwitted voter might think they're in favor of harvesting body parts from fetuses. If Hillary stood up and showed some courage I might consider changing my allegiance, but I doubt that decision will need to be made. We need a candidate who will act like the final 2 years of the Obama presidency, not the first years when appeasing Republicans was the name of the game. That's what I worry about with Hillary.
askew
(1,464 posts)Once you are done, go back to Hillary's website and read her "platforms" and tell me honestly that she is putting out detailed, specific platforms. They are half-formed at best. She's talking about the easy, non-controversial subjects and giving platitudes on the others. She supports a minimum wage. How much? No one knows. On and on it goes.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)It's just the same old same old from her again. She can't give a straightforward answer, she does the cheeky politician duck and roll.
Why won't she call for more debates? If she's so great she should welcome them. If she wants what's good for the Dem Party she should welcome them. The GOP is getting their debates out to the public, putting forth their "ideas" and the Dems are just crickets with the debate platform. Why is that? Why does Hillary not want to debate and help the Dem Party and allow the people to hear each candidate's position on the issues?
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)portlander23
(2,078 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Stop overwhelming us with details
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)bewilder em with baloney