My prediction for what happens in the hours after the first Democratic Primary Debate...

[cherokeeprogressive]

[Uncle Joe]

1. That pic looks familiar and the message is the same.

Thanks for the thread, cherokeeprogressive.

[KoKo]

5. Chilling...

I sort of thought the same looking at DWS at the New Hamphire DNC State Convention as she ignored the "More Debates" Protesters.....

It's not Female Trashing. We do pics with Men all the Time and poke fun.

But there is a bit of cartoonish likeness to the "Medusa" that given her stance on Dem Party issues does make her (as a public Political Figure) open to some Push Back. Females should be no different than Men in Politics when it comes to pointing out differences in Policy and Tactics.

I say this as a female.

[Uncle Joe]

6. It's not just the image though, just as seeing the mythological Medusa could turn people into stone,

conversely Schultz is cynically attempting to etch the front runner's status into stone by denying or limiting the peoples' opportunity to see the Democratic Candidates when it matters the most.

[KoKo]

12. ...!

Good analogy...The full Mythology Aside... that she is most identified by "turning people into Stone"..this fits for our activist Dem's view of what we've seen of her, sadly. We could do much better than DWS and that she was foisted on us makes it worse.

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conversely Schultz is cynically attempting to etch the front runner's status into stone by denying or limiting the peoples' opportunity to see the Democratic Candidates when it matters the most.

[roguevalley]

22. this crone is not helping grayson but is supporting the republican because she likes him.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. Lucricia?

[Uncle Joe]

44. She was at one time and this part of the myth also has a modern day political component.

In a late version of the Medusa myth, related by the Roman poet Ovid (Metamorphoses 4.770), Medusa was originally a ravishingly beautiful maiden, "the jealous aspiration of many suitors," but because Poseidon had raped her in Athena's temple, the enraged Athena transformed Medusa's beautiful hair to serpents and made her face so terrible to behold that the mere sight of it would turn onlookers to stone.[6] In Ovid's telling, Perseus describes Medusa's punishment by Minerva (Athena) as just and well earned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medusa

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251608603

Wasserman Schultz hypocritical about rules. 2008 said Dean's DNC rules "counterproductive"

(snip)

[Uncle Joe]

47. P.S. Here is the enraged Athena which transformed her.

Hillary camp argued for fewer than 6 debates in negotiations with DNC

Last spring, when negotiations between the DNC and the Dem campaigns over the debate schedule got underway in earnest, the Clinton camp’s preference was to have only four debates, one in each of the early contest states of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, according to a senior Democrat with knowledge of those conversations. ...

Here an important nuance needs to be noted. At that point, the DNC had only announced the amount of debates, and not their schedule. The dates of the debates were announced in August. It was at that point that outrage really began to build, because the dates themselves created a situation that began to be seen as problematic. (Those dates are October 13, November 14th, December 19th, January 17th, and two in February or March that are not nailed down yet.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=611077

[Uncle Joe]

48. In conclusion there is one other piece to the myth and the only political solution so long

as Hillary is in the race, Schultz can't be an honest broker.

Medusa was beheaded by the hero Perseus, who thereafter used her head, which retained its ability to turn onlookers to stone, as a weapon[4] until he gave it to the goddess Athena to place on her shield. In classical antiquity the image of the head of Medusa appeared in the evil-averting device known as the Gorgoneion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medusa

Schultz needs to resign, be fired or removed as head of the DNC, she would then be free to join Hillary's campaign overtly, in effect being on HRC's political shield.

[Thinkingabout]

2. This will be requested by Bernie.

[Skwmom]

3. Oh, I'm sure they have plenty of dirty tricks up their sleeves.

Here's to hoping it backfires.

[cali]

7. you may not have noticed, but he's not one to back down

And I 've seen him debate a dozen plus times. He's quite comfortable on a debate stage

[mccallen]

8. Bernie will beg to cancel the rest of the debates

When it begins the nosedive

[Uncle Joe]

11. Quit bogarting that bong and pass it over here, that must be some good shit. n/t

[restorefreedom]

14. lol,uncle joe. nt

[mmonk]

30. .

[Chan790]

13. You are aware...

that going back to her Senate runs, Hillary has been considered possibly the worst debater on the national political stage? She's just not good at all at it for the same reasons she always seems stiff and rehearsed and cold in speeches...she's really at-heart an introvert. When she's gotten off her talking points, she gets too into her own head.

Bernie is a comfortable and solid debater...anybody would have a hard time against Sanders. (Except Obama...I concede that Obama would beat Sanders easily but Obama is an exceptional debater, possibly the best in recent memory.)

[brooklynite]

16. That's why she got as many votes as Obama in 2008, right?

[Chan790]

18. I didn't say that one couldn't win as a poor debater...

frankly, other than as public spectacle and as venues to lay out one's agenda and positions (something Hillary seems committed to not doing anyways) I don't know that debates are all that important unless you completely blow one and stink the joint up like James Stockdale did.

...but to suggest that Hillary is going to so thoroughly defeat Sanders in the first debate that he begs to not have to debate her again is...well, a likely sign of some sort of mental defect. It's like believing that your kid's second-to-last-place Little League team is going to beat the New York Yankees. The goal for Hillary will be to not faceplant out of the race...a good showing is all she probably thinks she needs and all her supporters can realistically expect out of her.

[brooklynite]

19. I'd say that "he begs to not have to debate her again is" is as petty a comment as "no more debates"

[AngryParakeet]

26. You are aware...

Hillary won most of the debates in 2008, right?

Some of you are going to be shocked at how well Hillary does against Sanders, but I'm sure none will admit it.

[Autumn]

9. Sure. Go with that.

Bernie will own that debate stage.

[djean111]

4. Weeping Angel. Do not blink.

[Todays_Illusion]

10. I don't think it will have the entertainment value of a Republican debate. . . we will probably

all toddle off to sleep when it is over. If they give Webb, Chafee, O'Malley the same time as the the others, boredom is guaranteed all those three are going to do is talk up ideas that the conservatives assign to Democratic some will be sappy and will be attacked before they are mentioned since those three are to me, the lefty libertarian, third way candidates, not Democratic at all are these the populists some here talk about if so populists are more libertarian than Democratic though they are not opposed to our national government.



I noticed way back that the allegedly liberal sites using the word progressive and populist to differentiate from the word they consider dirty, liberal. I was frankly shocked and stunned at all the libertarian ideas they were promoting.

I want good old fashioned U.S. style liberals, FDR, Kennedy,(he seemed likely to be liberal), Johnson of course with the Civil Rights/Voting rights and Medicare.

[restorefreedom]

15. lets not forget the others

martin, a fellow progressive, strikes me as someone who could be a very good debater (calling ellen, bigtree) and chafee has pretty much said he is running for pres to pound the living shit out of the iraq war and highlight those who voted for it *hillary, cough cough*. i don.t know anything about webb, but he will occupy the coveted right of center territory that hillary lives in but likes to pretend she doesnt.

i expect that after the first debate there will be some "adjustments" to the schedule wherein the rest of the debate venues suddenly all get infested with toxic mold.

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. I really want to see Martin O'Malley debate as well. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Call on Me

He's going to do well in the debates - very well.

If - If he sticks to -

cool idea opponent - but I already did that.

[restorefreedom]

32. it is going to be very interesting

to see them interact

of course,dws will probably not let them interact

[treestar]

34. I can see something like this happening

The debate brings O'Malley to the forefront due to its nature. Suddenly the media is all O'Malley, all the time. Starts to get more significant numbers. The media loves the new and different.

[RBInMaine]

20. Thanks for the crazy nonsense. If they can't get their points out in 6 debates they never will.

[Motown_Johnny]

21. Then why did Hillary call for a 22nd one in '08?

Nice try, but this kind of thinking just makes her look even worse.

[jfern]

23. Because even after 21 debates, no one has any idea

what Hillary stands for.

[Motown_Johnny]

24. I was trying to get RBInMaine to admit that.

I guess it was to much to ask.


If, as RBInMaine says, that you can never get your message out if you can't do it in 6 debates... then Hillary can never get her message out. NEVER!


But this is a Hillary supporter we are talking about. So there will be a much lower standard for Hillary than for anyone and everyone else on the planet.

[liberal_at_heart]

33. funny how corruption is okay when it benefits their candidate.

Yet another example of if it were the Republicans doing this to the Democrats the Democratic party would be furious, but it is okay for the party establishment candidate to do to another candidate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I question the intelligence of anybody who questions the intelligence and arguing skills...

I question the intelligence of anybody who questions the intelligence and arguing skills of Secretary Clinton. Throw out all the other accomplishments, a man or woman doesn't graduate from the most selective law school in the land, Yale Law School, without being able to put together and deliver a really good argument.

[BlueStateLib]

27. J.D. from Yale Law

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. When she argued cases as a young law school graduate she was so well prepared...

When she argued cases as a young law school graduate she was so well prepared her opponents called her 'Death'.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

35. What a load.

She never, ever tried a jury trial on her own. Ever. She is wooden, stale, and Ill at ease on her feet. She is a horrible debater, which is why DWS is doing her best to protect hill from herself.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. It is not a load and I resent your ad hominem attack on me.

eom

[ChairmanAgnostic]

37. Attack?

I knew hillarians have thin skin, but even parchment is ten times thicker.

Prey, do tell,where am I attacking you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. "hillarians"

hillarians

The attacks keep coming. Please tell me what I did to raise your ire so I can try not to repeat it.


Thank you in advance.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

41. You took that as an attack against you?

To quote my fave republicants, seriesly?

Using the word hillarian is an attack on you.

I need to wrap my head around just how inane that sounds.
Someone here needs a vacation from any political blog. And it ain't me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. "I need to wrap my head around just how inane that sounds."

Please tell me what I did to raise your ire so I can address it and try to make it stop.


Thank you in advance.

[Bucky]

40. I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I gotta call bull on that

I agree she's inconsistent. Sometimes she comes off elitist and insular to her Manhattan/DC world. Sometimes she throws out a caustic comment that lands with a thud and opens her campaigns up to vicious trollery. But there's also times when she strikes just the right note, especially under pressure. Her performance before the Benghazi committee (well, one of them--I lost count) was masterful and convincing. She always comes off uber competent. She doesn't have what you'd call a winning personality. But we're not electing a Buddy-in-Chief.

Most of the criticism of Clinton comes down to politely refined sexist stereotypes. If a man displayed the same qualities, it wouldn't be a big deal. Trump's a fucking monster but I guarantee you if he'd jumped into the Democratic race, he'd be polling in the mid-20s at this point (assuming he had the marketing savvy to pander to our issues in such an alternative universe).

[quickesst]

29. Here is my prediction...

...of what is going to happen in the hours after the first debate to many of Bernie's supporters.

[askew]

39. The media is going to call the debate a win for Hillary no matter how bad she does.

They will call O'Malley the loser because he called for more debates and didn't make Hillary run from the stage in tears. And they will ignore Sanders.

[smiley]

45. bingo!

I think you hit the nail on the head.

[bigwillq]

43. Most folks will go to bed

If they hadn't already. Most probably didn't even watch. Life will go on. Earth will still turn.