Hillary has spent millions on ads in the New Hampshire market

[cali]

She's been endorsed by every major dem in the state. The DNC and the NHDC are doing everything they possibly can for her. She has an army of paid workers on the ground. She has Super Pacs running ads for her.

And she's still struggling.

Bernie hasn't run a single ad, has fewer campaign workers and no endorsements from establishment pols. He's doing quite well.

Saying that it's because NH neighbors Vermont, just does not explain it at all.

[Paka]

1. Saying that he is the bettor candidate says everything.

He is the best choice we have.

[AtomicKitten]

2. Jon Stewart explains this phenomenon.

[Demeter]

35. That was superb! Thanks for posting it

I don't know how the nation will survive Stewart's retirement.

[AtomicKitten]

44. In a final moment of Zen, he picked up his last 3 emmys for TDS.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3242824/You-ll-never-Jon-Stewart-jokes-disappearing-retirement-snagging-three-Emmys-Daily-Show.html

[Rosa Luxemburg]

63. That was great!

[Calista241]

48. Lol. I'd never heard "aww shucky ducky" before. N/t

[Capn Sunshine]

57. It was the best piece of performance art in some time.

There's nothing like Herman Cain running on the republican side...yet.

[Catherina]

60. Loved it! Thank you n/t

[uponit7771]

3. Hillary's doing pretty good seeing she doesn't live 30 minutes away from NH, I'm waiting for SC

... and other polls where it's not Sanders stomping grounds to have a more rounded view

[Android3.14]

4. You could stop carrying water for someone who represents groups that prey on folks like us

When or if you wake up, Bernie Sanders could use your help.

[uponit7771]

7. Typical reflexive snide, Hillary and Obama aren't Teh Devil

[Divernan]

13. Oh, kiddo! you're only one linking Obama to Hillary

or referring to anyone as "teh devil". It's not nice to put vile or untrue words in other posters' mouths!
News flash! Obama has not endorsed Hillary.

[uponit7771]

16. Reflexive condescension, and the phrase was hyperbole for effect... we all know they're not

... the devil himself.

Either way, I don't believe the "establishment" hates Americans... more like Americans are part of the establishment they loathe

[raouldukelives]

41. And that is the simple truth.

There are those who take democracy for all people, of all races, seriously and there are those who invest in multi-national corporations and then wonder why they keep buying our democracy out from under us.

All thanks to the efforts of those who care nothing for the mantle of defending liberty and justice, only for personal comfort and damn the rest.

For a supporter of Citizens United, climate change denial and the continued subjugation of the worlds weakest for the whims of the wealthiest, the idea they can lead lives as being any sort of lighting rod for fundamental change is laughable at best and the vilest of evils at worst.

[uponit7771]

45. Yeah, yeah... the Hillary will sell your first born to the CEO of GE is worn out and hyperbolic

... at best.

None of these candidates can throw a stone, some don't like her at all... I get that... acting as if their candidate can throw a stone is getting hypocritical

[raouldukelives]

67. Exactly. There are those without investments in Wall St who can toss them.

There are those vested in Wall St who do all they can, each day, to assist the most racist, equality hating, climate denying, democracy thwarting, war mongering entities on the planet.

There are no Democrats in Wall St. Only varying degrees of Republicans in wool sweaters.

[Android3.14]

15. Sincere invitation

I understand that you have something in this game, that is keeping you tied to Hillary. It certainly isn't any specific, or group of, policy positions HRC holds, so it must be something deeper.

It happens, and sometimes those things are difficult to let go.

My hope is that you will realize that whatever it is you think she is going to do for you, she isn't.

I'd bet a nickel, however, that Sanders would help.

Have good Monday, uponit7771.

[uponit7771]

69. I don't see a big difference between Hillary and Bernie, the issues that people lean towards Sanders

... for isn't a mover for me.

Sanders is greater of the two goods character wise but slightly and this is not going to get anything more done in Washington more than Hillary will with a gerrymandered congress, this is not about how much more I like him than Hillary.

I also don't believe Hillary is Satan spawn

All the candidates have their gives and takes...

[Android3.14]

70. You don't find it unsettling

That HRC's largest funding comes from Wall Street? That her positions constantly "evolve", that she supported legislation that resulted in thousands and thousands of black men to end up in jail, that she voted for the Iraq War which contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?

Few on DU think she is Satan Spawn, but there are HUGE differences between the two, based on who they are actually serving, strength of character, sincere commitment to Democratic values, and the ability to make ethical decisions on critical issues.

[uponit7771]

72. No, that's a damn lie... most of Hillary's donations are small like Obama's. There's going to be som

... big money folk dive in and that's ok but the real money should be coming from the little guy and it is for her.

She's human, if she isn't evolving she's dying and its ok if she swings the way of her constituents, the opposite is worse... that's not a mover for me.

Sanders voted for the same legislation she supported that put thousands of black men in jail, none of these guys can throw stones.

She voted for the Iraq war and said it was a mistake, I don't understand her trust for the Bush admin (they were overtly stupid) but it looks like she's more discerning now... and less trusting of stupid... that's progress.

It's not important whether people think she's Devil Spawn they speak of her like she is even to the point of not voting for her if she's nominated.

That's stupid... so the rhetoric against her is hyperbolic and wingerish...

You know...

That's what makes me the most skeptical is that it is wingerish... a wingerish scent to it... I'm repulsed by it

But even with that I don't see Sanders getting anything more done in congress than Clinton...

They both have a non represenative level of gerrymandering to overcome and neither has outlined how they'll do it

[Android3.14]

75. Unfortunately, her funding source isn't a lie, and here is the link to prove it.

Mother Jones article

"she also disclosed to the Federal Election Commission the names of 40 registered lobbyists who bundled just over $2 million for her campaign."

"The top lobbyist bundling for Clinton was Jackson Dunn, who represents Mastercard, Dow Chemical, Pepsico, and Noble Energy, a Houston-based oil and gas company."

She is a puppet for corporate interests.

I've found that her avid supporters are willing to ignore facts for some reason and to walk away from pragmatic ethical decision-making. Your final two paragraphs illustrate this very peculiar behavior.

[uponit7771]

78. FACT NOT IN DISPUTE - Most of Clinton's donations are small donations from small donors

[A Simple Game]

5. You do know she only lives about two hours away from New Hampshire, don't you? n/t

[uponit7771]

8. Syntax, Bernies stomping ground not Hillary's ...

[Cobalt Violet]

14. Nope, wrong , not his "stomping grounds"

[uponit7771]

17. we'll just disagree on this one.... he's from and lived in the area for decades... I call that his

... stomping grounds

[cali]

25. fail. She's spent more time there and campaigned more there than he has

[uponit7771]

29. FACTS NOT IN DISPUTE: Hillary was born and lived most of her life in the midwest, Sanders was

... born and lived most of his life in the north east.


We'll see, SC and some of the other less demographically homogenized states polling numbers should be out soon

[cali]

36. And what the fuck does that have to do with the FACT that hilly

has spent more time stumping and stomping in NH than Bernie and is just is better known than he is there?

[uponit7771]

46. Live in the area vs stumping in the area... Bernie is doing good but that was to be expected...

...seeing he's lived in the area for most if not all of his life.

SC is more neurtral tell tale IMHO

we'll see

[jeff47]

50. Perhaps we should investigate the widespread memory loss you are claiming.

So all of NH is suffering some sort of massive memory loss? They forget not only the Clinton that was just there, they forget the Clinton they voted for in 2008? After all, she won the NH primary that year.

We should get health officials to investigate this massive memory loss. Might be something in the water.

It is rather odd that this memory loss only affects support of Clinton. They somehow can remember the Senator from the next state despite him never campaigning in NH until this year, but can't remember the woman who's been all over their state this year and in 2007 and 2008.

[cali]

52. he doesn't live in the area. burlington is much closer to new York.then NH

[Duckhunter935]

38. She spent most of her life in Washington

Arkansas and New York. And has campaigned for many years in New Hampshire unlike Bernie. Those are the facts.

[Art_from_Ark]

73. Hillary hasn't lived most of her life in the Midwest

She spent 18 years in Illinois, then 4 years in Massachusetts (Wellesley College), 4 years in Connecticut (Yale University), then she moved to Arkansas (a Southern state) in 1974, and stayed there for the next 18 years, after which she moved to DC, where she spent 8 years before moving to New York, where she divided her time between New York and DC as Senator.

[uponit7771]

74. Sanders has spent most of his life in the NE though

[Art_from_Ark]

79. JFK spent most of his life in New England, too.

[A Simple Game]

21. I didn't start the association by closeness, that was you.

I see by another of your posts you admit she is a carpetbagger.

[uponit7771]

32. Could care less if she was and I'm talking about proximity and tenure, Bernie has both of those

... on Clinton when it comes to polling in that area.

[cali]

37. INDISPUTABLE FUCKING FACT

Hilly has spent more time campaigning there than Bernie.

[Duckhunter935]

39. very true and much more money

[juajen]

40. Oh, please stop it.

This is a ridiculous argument, and doesn't add to the stature of either of these candidates. This is not high school.

[uponit7771]

47. As she should, she's not from that area like Bernie... either way, SC polls will come out soon

[thesquanderer]

28. But can she see NH from her window? (n/t)

[Duckhunter935]

6. yes we all know she is from way accross the country

in New York

[uponit7771]

9. More syntax, its Bernies stomping grounds not Hillary's... When we get to SC and West MO

... we'll be able to tell then

[Duckhunter935]

10. sorry but the truth hurts

She also is from the Northeast and is not doing so well with her millions and super PACS.

[uponit7771]

11. Truth, NH is Sanders stomping grounds doesn't hurt at all... and Hillary is not "from" the NE

[beam me up scottie]

18. Where is she from again? It's so hard to tell anymore...

https://m.

[uponit7771]

19. The midwest

[beam me up scottie]

20. Using that logic Bernie's from Brooklyn not Vermont.

[Duckhunter935]

24. Just so funny

[uponit7771]

30. NY isn't part of the North east? tia

[beam me up scottie]

31. No kidding, that's where Hillary lives and where she served as Senator.

You were the one who claimed she wasn't from the northeast.

[uponit7771]

33. Good, we both agree on the "living now" and 7 - 8 decades like Bernie... either way

... we'll see

SC et all poll numbers should be establshing themselves soon

[jeff47]

51. That would make it Clinton's stomping grounds too.

What state does she live in again? And what state was she Senator of for 8 years?

[Duckhunter935]

22. Bull

She has not been there for over 40 years. She was the senator from New York and that is where they have their home and New York is also where her main campaign office is out of.

[Cobalt Violet]

12. NH and VT are might be close to each other but are politically different.

I don't think Bernie gets any points for being from VT. Just my opinion as a life long New Englander.

[cali]

26. yep. my opinion also as a vermonter

And she's campaigned there more than he.has

[Cobalt Violet]

66. for some reason I always assume you're from California.

I'm in central MA and travel for fun to all parts of New England. All 6 states have a different flavor and I love them all.

[cali]

23. lol. Bernie lives on the NY border side of Vermont. Vermont and NH

are very different. Hill is hardly from Nevada or some other far away state. She's at least as well known in NH as he is.

Oh, and it's far, far,far more her stomping (stumping) grounds than his.

[sarge43]

27. I take it you've never driven in northern New England

Unless you live on the banks of the Connecticut River and near a bridge, it takes more than 30 minutes to get from Somewhere VT to Wherever NH - no good east/west highways.

There's not a lot of love going on between VT and NH. VT thinks NH is filled with barely evolved primitives while NH considers VT a nest of slumming Flatlanders. Early on I was concerned that Sanders would get the "One of them" blow off in NH.

Some musing why Sanders is doing well in Graniteland

1. NH is somewhat libertarian; it's also egalitarian. Sanders' call for social and economic fairness rang the bell.

2. NH hates slick and bs. It wants straight talk and facts. Trying to shine it on just gets the crap detector red lining. It's serious about politics and wants it retail.

3. Like Sanders NH is cranky and contrary. The quickest way to lose NH is tell it that it has to do something because, well, everyone is doing it.

You're right about SC. NH is out of town tryouts; SC is opening night.

[questionseverything]

55. south carolina is opening night

how sad that a state that will have no paper to count and voting machines made by 1%ers will determine the front runner

did you know a candidate with no campaign or even a cell phone can win a sc primary?

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7890

As reported by Politico this morning (yes, Politico!):
One potential red flag: A significant difference between the results of absentee and election day ballots.

According to [Rawl campaign manager Walter] Ludwig, of the state's 46 counties, half have a disparity of greater than 10 percentage points between the absentee and election day ballots.

"The election day ballots all favor Mr. Greene. We don't know what it means," Ludwig said in an interview. "We did significantly better on absentees than Election Day, which is according to the mathematicians, quite significant. The other reason is, it didn't happen in any other races on the ballot."

In Lancaster County, Rawl won absentee ballots over Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among Election Day voters by 17 percentage points.

In Spartanburg County, Ludwig said there are 25 precincts in which Greene received more votes than were actually cast and 50 other precincts where votes appeared to be missing from the final count.

"In only two of 88 precincts, do the number of votes Greene got plus the number we got equal the total cast," Ludwig said.

Greene also racked up a 75 percent or greater margin in one-seventh of all precincts statewide, a mark that Ludwig notes is even difficult for an incumbent to reach.////////////////////

my advise would be for sanders supporters to request and use absentee ballots

[sabrina 1]

61. I'm waiting for the polls of the new non voter signups for Bernie, not registered in any polls

and for the polls of the Independents who are flocking to Bernie's campaign. He has already made inroads to the Dem base, but his major support is NOT from Dems it is from Indies, non registered voters (I've already signed up a few of them myself) and moderate Repubs.

So yes, we need to see the real numbers, Dem base voters cannot win the election for anyone. Hillary doesn't have the crossover appeal Bernie has.

Millennials are working for Bernie and as many of them has said, they are very informed, Globally involved and mostly nowhere near as partisan as their parents and grandparents were.

And they are the largest voting bloc since the Baby Boomers. Bernie has their support, that is who is driving his campaign right now.

[Number23]

65. Well, as you can see from the seemingly dozens of responses your really benign comment received

these folks aren't nervous at all. Not one bit.



Would love to see you come hang out in the AA forum more, uponit. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1187

[INdemo]

81. Yes I suppose it would be more difficult

For Bernie to use that phony Southern accent as Hillary did while in SC

[leftofcool]

34. Don't be concerned. Hillary will still win NH.

[TBF]

42. She will do her best to buy it

but the people want Bernie.

[Gothmog]

43. Hillary Clinton is running a traditional campaign

Hillary Clinton is also polling and raising funds. These are things that a normal campaign does to win

[cali]

49. not sure what her running a traditional campaign has to do with

her problems in New Hampshire and Iowa.

[frylock]

56. The normal things that won her the nomination in 2008.

[Gothmog]

58. Sanders is no Barack Obama

By this time in the campaign, President OBama was shocking people with his fundraising and endorsements

[frylock]

59. HILLARY 2016: Sanders is no Barack Obama

[INdemo]

86. Yes Hillary takes money from the billionaire class

She reads their scripts on the campaign trail and asks the working class to vote for her. That's Tradional?
And just remember Hillary is not running ads,her multimillion dollar PACs are running them

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Buying elections is ever so democratic.

[peacebird]

54. You would think since she won the primary vote there in 08 that she should be winning now

But so far, looks like Bernie has it....

[MindfulOne]

62. Wait, what? She won in 2008? Well with all the additional SOS experience she should have this...

..in the bag!

What's going on???

[MisterP]

64. the picture-perfect, carefully-focus-grouped endorsements, the millions in ads and polls,

the blastfaxes, the lever-pulling, the deck-stacking, the armies of workers and superPACs are WHY she's struggling, I'd say

[sibelian]

71. It's old-fashioned.

It doesn't work as well as it did...

[NCTraveler]

68. She is currently the overwhelming front runner and......

is challenging Sanders in his own back yard. Out of her two closest competitors one hasn't even entered the race. Sanders is currently in a fight for second with someone not even running. He is not in a fight with Clinton. He need to establish he isn't third before he establishes that he is Hillarys main challenger. He has yet to differentiate himself as her closest challenger. That is how far ahead she is. We are currently talking about one or two states out of how many. Biden is going to be the kicker. With him removed from the polls her trend line isn't going to make the Sanders folks too happy. I know that NH is all the rage to some. I see Hillary challenging Sanders in his own back yard there. Pretty amazing considering the demographics of the state. How about SC and Florida? What do things look like when you leave Sanders back yard. Good for Hillary. That's how it looks. One would have to be in a two state bubble, covering their ears and acting like there is nothing else, to even make this appear to be huge. It's becoming comical.

[Renew Deal]

76. Do you have a source for that claim?

"Hillary has spent millions on ads in the New Hampshire market"

This is the first time I've seen that.

[aidbo]

82. From this article:

Spending 2.6 mill in New Hampshire
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/hillary-clinton-4-million-ads-iowa-new-hampshire-2016/

[Renew Deal]

85. Thanks

It's the first time I've seen info about money spent on ads.

[twii]

80. New Hampshire is one small, unimportant state

Last time, the Dem. winner didn't even win the whole primaries.

[ColesCountyDem]

83. Not everyone would agree with the term 'unimportant'. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

84. That's what LBJ said.