Debbie Wasserman-Schultz should be sued for malpractice

[cali]

It's not just the number of debates or even the exclusivity clause. The debates are purposefully scheduled to be seen by as few people as possible. They are scheduled on weekends during the holiday season. Only four are scheduled so far. They are not on major networks. Both O'Malley and Sanders said they.were lied to about the exclusivity clause. If this mess just hurt Hillary, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but as Rosenberg points out, it's putting dems at a huge disadvantage. You may think the republican debates hurt them; you would be wrong. They get people on their side and independents excited and tuned in.

He'll of a job, Debs!

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The problem is that of the four debates that are actually scheduled, three come on weekends (as opposed to during weeknight prime time), one of them on the weekend between the end of Hanukkah and Christmas. The two remaining (as yet unscheduled) debates are in February or March, one on Univision and the other on PBS. Between those two and the one in January, there will be only three Dem debates in 2016, during the period in which Democrats will be voting in dozens of contests — from the early contests through the big state primaries in early and mid March, a period that could very well settle the outcome. By contrast, Republicans have six debates scheduled throughout that period, many on major networks.

As it is, the GOP debates are drawing very big audiences. It’s true that this is due to the Trump carnival — making this in some ways a negative for the GOP. But the positive side for the GOP is that enormous numbers of voters are seeing the other GOP candidates in strong moments, which is good both for GOP organizing in the primaries and for giving them and their ideas exposure beyond the GOP primary audience. Add to this the imbalance in the number of debates in this 2016 window, when voters are seriously tuning in, and Dems risk ceding the airwaves and squandering a chance to build excitement and engage more voters, some party officials have argued.

“Left unchecked, the superior RNC schedule could easily reach 50 to 100 million more eyeballs than the current Democratic schedule — meaning tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars of lost opportunities to persuade, engage and excite the audiences all Democrats will need to win in 2016,” argues Dem strategist Simon Rosenberg.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/21/how-democrats-got-bogged-down-in-a-messy-dispute-over-debates/

[elleng]

1. 'Both O'Malley and Sanders said they.were lied to about the exclusivity clause.'

I was going to post this as a reminder. Thanks for beating me to it, cali.

FIRED, more like it; I don't think she's practicing law, in her position at dnc.

[cali]

4. I was kidding about suing her though not about the level of her incompetence

which imo rises to malpractice, Ellen.

[elleng]

22. Yes and no, cali;

not 'incompetence' to tptb, but surely IS to We the People.

[Aerows]

28. Oh there is no doubt

she is doing exactly what she has been told to do.

As I replied to another poster in a different thread, if you were Hillary Clinton, would *you* want to stand on a stage with Sanders and O'Malley while Democratic voters compare and contrast your record against either of theirs?

I sure as hell wouldn't.

[Catherina]

29. What else do you know about that?

This is the first I hear that they were lied to. I'm very angry right now.

[elleng]

33. This much.

I was SO FURIOUS when I saw it, Catherina! and imagined how angry Governor O'Malley must be!

The DNC approached the O’Malley campaign in February, March, and April with its six-debate proposal,

according to Smith, and she said the campaign shot the DNC down each time. And not only was there no negotiation, Smith said, but the DNC also lied about the exclusivity clause, which stipulates that candidates can’t participate in events not sanctioned by the DNC. The party assured the O’Malley campaign there wouldn’t be one, Smith said, but then, an hour before announcing its debate schedule, it changed course.

Daily Beast: Is the Democratic National Committee in the Tank for Hillary?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251602975#post8

[Catherina]

50. This is really disturbing!

The DNC better not be counting on many many voters for their coronation. Put away the tiaras. It's not going to happen DNC.

They have no clue of people's anger and how fast we communicate to cut their bullshit at the knees.

Thanks Elleng

Copying your post to add it to my journal

The DNC approached the O’Malley campaign in February, March, and April with its six-debate proposal,

according to Smith, and she said the campaign shot the DNC down each time. And not only was there no negotiation, Smith said, but the DNC also lied about the exclusivity clause, which stipulates that candidates can’t participate in events not sanctioned by the DNC. The party assured the O’Malley campaign there wouldn’t be one, Smith said, but then, an hour before announcing its debate schedule, it changed course.

Daily Beast: Is the Democratic National Committee in the Tank for Hillary?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251602975#post8

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

55. Oh noes! What will Carcettli do? Not win more than 5% I'd guess.

[restorefreedom]

39. dammit, i did not know that

not surprised, however.

fired now and more debates scheduled. only acceptable remedy.

[monmouth4]

2. I received my DNC survey and request for money in today's mail. I shall send a return note without

my check to inform the DNC my displeasure with both the DNC and Mrs. Schultz herself. I'm mentally putting it together right now and it will go in tomorrow's outgoing....

[Metric System]

8. It's their poutrage of the day.

[cali]

11. tell it to Rosenberg.

But I can't say that I'm surprised at your devotion to hilly.

[Metric System]

14. And I can't say I'm surprised at your obsession.

[cali]

21. you need a dictionary.

[Metric System]

23. You need a hobby.

[roguevalley]

43. your insults sink your point. Say that bernie was the one being

served by Debs and gaining the advantage by doing so ... you would be good with that? It is amazing to me that so many who belong to the DEMOCRATIC party are fine with bullshit. But have a nice day anyway.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

56. The majority of Democrats do support her after all. It shouldn't surprise.

[cali]

9. CNN is the exeption. Univision and PBS aren't. And the scheduling speaks for itself

Weekends and close to the holidays. Rosenberg is right.

[cali]

13. it is not major network. why don't you actually address the points

Rosenberg makes?

[JI7]

18. disagree about univision. And it's breaking Clintons support among minorities

Which will really make others competitive against her.


But i do think the timing of many of these are a problem and they should have more debates.

[Uncle Joe]

49. October is after the primary registration deadline for the state of New York expires.

The deadline came and went this month.

Bernie's strength other than his message is in creating excitement and bringing in young and/or disenchanted voters in to the fold, by waiting until after the primary registration deadline passed before even holding the first debate, Bernie's strength is diminished in New York and Hillary benefits as she was the Senator from that state.

Of course the first debate couldn't possibly be held in early September and I'm sure Schwartz has a good and noble reason for that but I can't think of any.

As a double whammy the Dec 19th debate is opposite a prime time Dallas Cowboy New York Jets game, not to mention a holiday weekend and I'm sure Schwartz has a good and noble reason for scheduling three of the first four debates on the weekend instead of during the week when they would most likely be viewed but I can' think of any.

[MindfulOne]

57. It's not a broadcast network. I don't have cable.

My income is too low and monthly living expenses to high, I cut cable two months ago.

So, no more CNN, MSNBC, etc.

Regular people and poorer people need some debates on broadcast TV, not dependent on Internet or Cable Service.

I think that's the ultimate fair thing to do, and lots of them because these same people might work odd hours, two jobs, and or not be able to record it.

If there were 26 odd debates in 2008, we should have as many this time around.

[arcane1]

12. Who is claiming October 13 is a Saturday?

I missed that.

[arcane1]

19. In other words, you didn't read the post. If you had, you would've seen this:

"The problem is that of the four debates that are actually scheduled, three come on weekends"

Making shit up isn't helping anyone's credibility.

[arcane1]

34. Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

And fooling nobody

[arcane1]

38. Gotta distract from the topic, right?

Whatever it takes

[roguevalley]

44. I guess it depends upon what the meaning of 'is' is. :D

[cali]

24. read the op. what part of 3 out of 4 is so confusing?

[arcane1]

37. The phrease "trying too hard" comes to mind n/t

[99th_Monkey]

6. Is there NO re-call or removal provision in the "Democratic" Party's central organization????

For when the Chair violates the letter and spirit of the DNC's claim
to legitimacy???

Really?

If there is no such provision, then one needs to be created.

[99th_Monkey]

27. You've got to be kidding.

Maybe we can we fill-up one of his "Petition the WH" petitions in 48 hours?

I forget how many signers it takes, for the WH to guarantee a reply?

[restorefreedom]

40. we should do one like they did for cecil. nt

[fadedrose]

52. They do whatever they want

and must use a lot of bribes or threats to accomplish what would be impossible if everything were on the up and up.

Maybe I won't be posting too much.

This place is starting to scare me....

[PoliticAverse]

53. Apparently according to the bylaws the Chair can be removed by a majority vote

of the Democratic National Committee at any time.

https://uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/DNC_Charter__Bylaws.pdf

The National Chairperson shall be elected and may be
removed by a majority vote of the Democratic
National Committee,

[appalachiablue]

69. Maybe a putsch?

[Metric System]

20. "They are not on major networks." October: CNN; November: CBS; December: ABC; January: NBC

[fadedrose]

25. Voters don't know too much about the Dem candidates

Why educate them and steer them away from the DNC chosen front runner they selected years ago, Obama having won by mistake...

Super delegates were selected years ago, and that's one way of stacking the convention, so why get it all messy and get people starting to like Bernie, Webb, O'Malley, Chaffee, and, god forbid, Biden? I can remember Ed Rendell saying on Chris Matthews that he was supporting HC and was more or less promised a position in her cabinet, but I think there was a change of some sort, he said at a later time...

A lot of people don't have cable, CNN or MSNBC, and can only watch debates on basic channels. Can't have debates on basic where anyone can see them.

And why debate? Bernie can't get the stuff passed that he wants, and neither can the others.

Warren, where are you when we need your voice in here somewhere?

[Baitball Blogger]

26. I am disgusted with Wasserman-Shultz

[Catherina]

30. Angry kick and rec!

Both O'Malley and Sanders said they were lied to about the exclusivity clause.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/21/how-democrats-got-bogged-down-in-a-messy-dispute-over-debates/

[arcane1]

36. The Clinton Crew is going to lose all credibility trying to defend and distract from this.

[Scootaloo]

51. What, just now? I thought that's what 2008 was for n/t

[restorefreedom]

41. i will say this again

blatantly and shamelessly rigging the system to benefit a weak candidate who probably can't win a general is going to piss off a lot of voters, especially progressives and supporters of the other candidates. Many of these people, in the unlikely event that clinton becomes the nominee, will decide to stay home, vote for somebody else, or write in their preferred candidates name in the general. I don't want to hear any bitching about how it is "our fault" if Hillary would lose the general. We are not under any obligation to support a candidate who gets the nomination through trickery, deceit, undemocratic thievery and cheating. If she gets the nom and loses the general, it's completely on HER and Debbie.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

58. The weak candidate leading since the beginning? That's not Bernie.

[restorefreedom]

60. the candidate dropping in polls

who has to hide behind dnc afraid to debate, the candidate afraid to tell us her positions until she checks with her focus group, the candidate who just had a golden opportunity to smack down jeb! for saying w "protected us" AND GAVE HIM COVER INSTEAD.


edit to add...poll numbers can be overcome. bad decisions and weak resolve cannot.

[PADemD]

45. After the official DNC debates

What's to stop the candidates from participating further debates after the official DNC debates are over in February or March?

The PA primary isn't until April 26; and the CA primary is scheduled for June 7, with the last primary (DC) scheduled for June 14.

[merkins]

46. Party Top Structure Needs an Overhaul

These corrupt practices will just keep happening till it is opened up and made more accountable to the whole party.

[Uncle Joe]

47. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[SmittynMo]

48. I just Emailed President Obama

I highlighted all the issues from this thread, in my words. One can only hope it makes it to it's destination.

It's time we talk about the democratic elephant in the room.

This unchecked total ignorance of our democratic society must be challenged. I can't believe it has actually come to this.

What the hell is DWS thinking? What the hell happened to our democracy. Yep, it's time for a revolution!!!!

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!!!!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

54. Lifelong Independents and his supporters....

Don't have a place to bitch about DNC rules. O'Malley, when he gets above 2% can have an opinion. There it is. Six is plenty the first is in three weeks. If Bernie can't make his case with that many debates he's not viable.

[restorefreedom]

61. its not six

only four are scheduled.the other two are tba

bernie is running for the dem nom. he absolutely has the "right" to an opinion

[neverforget]

62. But he doesn't because reasons! All those years caucusing and voting with and for Democrats to be

leaders in the House and Senate mean nothing, just the lack of a "D" behind his name.

[restorefreedom]

63. yup. nt

[beam me up scottie]

64. And the nerve of lifelong Democrats who support him!

They have no right to an opinion either!

BAD DEMOCRATS!!!

[neverforget]

65. We're evil Democrats for supporting the guy who has the most Democratic platform of

any of the candidates. Pure evil I tell ya!

[beam me up scottie]

66. We should be ashamed of ourselves!

[neverforget]

67. I'm so ashamed of myself I gave Bernie $25 tonight! It's my penance.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Oooooo, that'll teach you!

I said one Hail Bernie! and sent him $10 last week.

[emsimon33]

70. She lost the 2014 elections and now she is trying to lose 2016

She is incompetent. PERIOD and has to goooooooo.

[reformist2]

71. I especially like the part where they punish you if you dare to debate someone outside their rules!

Incredible. Candidates should be free to talk whenever they like, and with whom they like. The words "free speech" and "free association" are lost on these party hacks.