Hillary Clinton’s Keystone statement says more about the primaries than the environment/WP

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

Her evolution to opposition of the pipeline is like her evolution to her admission that the IWR vote was a "mistake".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/22/hillary-clintons-keystone-statement-says-more-about-the-primaries-than-the-environment/

For a candidate competing in the Democratic nomination process, opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline is a relatively simple decision. That Hillary Clinton announced hers now -- taking strategic advantage of the attention being lavished on the arrival of Pope Francis to bury the news -- says something significant about how she sees her position for 2016.

Addressing environmental challenges, as it turns out, is one of the most partisan issues before government. Eighty-nine percent of liberal Democrats believe the effects of warming are happening or will happen in their lifetimes, and 81 percent accept that human activity is the primary cause. Only two-thirds of moderate Democrats, by contrast, agree that human activity is to blame for climate change.

There's something else that moderate and liberal Democrats disagree on: Who should be the Democratic nominee for president. In CNN/ORC's most recent poll, released earlier this week, Clinton's standing improved over that of Bernie Sanders, but she still faces stronger opposition among liberals than among more moderate members of her party.

In other words, the group with which Clinton is doing worse more strongly believes that people are causing climate change and more strongly opposes Keystone XL. The politics explain themselves.

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. Imagine that.

I'm shocked!

She's so predictable and transparent. Whichever way the wind blows (or polls lean) is her position.

[AtomicKitten]

15. Predictable: I posted this in June 2003. Keystone and the Clintons.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023022353

[Maedhros]

2. Will Hillary fire Jeffrey Berman from her campaign now?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122147/hillary-clinton-has-hired-former-keystone-pipeline-lobbyist

Hillary Clinton has hired a former lobbyist for the company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, further upsetting environmentalists who have long been wary of her commitment to fighting climate change.

BuzzFeed’s Ben Smith reported on Wednesday that the Clinton campaign has hired Jeffrey Berman as a campaign consultant. Berman, who began working for the campaign earlier this month, once lobbied on behalf of TransCanada, the company that hopes to build a pipeline carrying tar sands oil from Canada to the southern coast of the U.S.
. . .
"For us it’s a signal that she continues to be willing to work with oil and gas interests and take money from folks who are committed to have a pathway to fossil fuels," said Ben Schreiber, Friends of the Earth's climate and energy program director.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. She's waiting for another visit from the pope to evolve on that question.

[Capn Sunshine]

3. "more strongly"??

Like there is ANYONE in the party that is in favor of Keystone XL or believes " the evidence isn't in yet" on climate change.

Do you ever bother to read the Democratic Party Platform?

Imbuing qualities in others that are not there is the basest form of slander.

[jeff47]

6. Well, there's this guy in the White House that hasn't blocked the pipeline yet...(nt)

[AlbertCat]

12. Democratic Party Platform

Maybe "moderate Democrats" only want to follow it moderately....



"Imbuing qualities in others that are not there is the basest form of slander."


Oh please. Like Dems are all the same. It's the GOP that move in lock step, remember.


Slander.... pu-leez. The positive qualities you just "imbued" to all Dems was slander?

BTW, "Imbue" means:
Inspire or permeate with a feeling or quality

[sadoldgirl]

5. In my dictionary the word "gullible" exists.

I cannot know whether it exists in the ones
of the general voter though.

[Indepatriot]

7. 11/25/2015: "I'm the REAL socialist in this race" - Hillary Weathervane Shapeshifter Clinton....

[RiverLover]

8. It also says something about low, low oil prices. /nt

[Art_from_Ark]

10. And perhaps something about recent revelations about tar sands

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2015/aug/11/canadian-government-spent-millions-on-secret-tar-sands-advocacy

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. What conspiracy. She's doing it in the open.

[aspirant]

13. Just how trustworthy are her evolutionary words?

Obama made primary promises that didn't come true.

[Dustlawyer]

14. About the "man made" part of climate change, I would like to try to simplify it for the

non-believers with a close analogy.

Most of you may have noticed in wintertime on nights where the sky is clear the weatherman will warn about it getting really colder than average because without cloud cover the heat can radiate out into space easily and quickly. Heat rises and there is little in the way to impede its escape. On really cloudy nights the heat is literally trapped and leaks out much slower. Smog, smoke, CO2 whatever is floating up in the air slows the escaping heat much like a lid on your coffee cup vs coffee without a lid. If you have ever flown in a plane you have seen the layer of brown floating up in the air, that's the proverbial lid.

We create a lot of airborne particulates and CO2 everyday, even at night, all over the world. It is a constant stream of crap in the air, including CO2. Much of it we cannot even see, but it makes the air more dense and acts like an insulating blanket. Our clearest night now is probably nothing compared to 200 years ago. Makes you wonder about what the night sky looked like back then.

If someone denies global warming or that they accept it but say it's not man-made, but natural, try this arguement. They can google this weather phenomena or ask on the Weather Channel's site.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Kick for the night crew

[cali]

17. no shit. typical.

[GeorgeGist]

18. Weak sauce my friend.

[polly7]

19. I wonder if she and her team were unaware of who was behind those expensive speeches

she gave up here? Doesn't seem plausible, but I guess stranger things have happened.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026760754

But her claim is good to see .... I hope the Keystone Pipeline is rejected by all.