2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumso we have a racist piece of shit being posted because she calls Bernie a racist
Last edited Wed Sep 23, 2015, 06:08 PM - Edit history (1)
Froma Harrup, who insinuates, that among other things, Bernie moved to Vermont because he's a racist, wrote some deeply ugly racist shit about Obama in service to Hillary. Now this disgusting shill is writing that Bernie is a racist in service to Hillary. And she's being quoted and supported here at du.
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Obamas appeal comes not from the things he says, but from who is saying them. He scores as an exotic who talks of barbershops and church socials in the flat tones youd expect from any son of the prairie.
Had Bayh been half-Kenyan and raised in Hawaii by white grandparents from Kansas, he too would have become a political star, at least for the month of December. But he is a conventional white man. When Bayh speaks in the quiet Midwestern way, he gets tarred as lackluster.
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The senator dislikes the either-or type of debate and warns against false choices. Hes not too left, not too right. Sort of black, and sort of white.
Obama is humble in all the right places. Before a thousand swooning fans in New Hampshire, he says, Evita-like: This isnt about me. This is about you. One gets the impression from his public appearances and book, The Audacity of Hope, that he doesnt even get a haircut without first consulting his wife.
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http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20061226_froma_harrop_obama_scores_as_exotic_who_says_nothing
And there's lots more from Clinton supporter froma harrup
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Notice the dog whistle here?:
cali
(114,904 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie's supporters aren't the ones posting racist ops, I have plenty of links if anyone wants to debate the point.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Whoever it was, he asked me to ask you to PLEASE NOT LINK HIS NAME WITH RACISM. It seems someone's been counting, and you guys go out and get so excited about something that you run back here and discuss it with great passion and length every single time.
I didn't catch how times it had been counted in this thread alone to that point, but the request was clear: PLEASE DON'T LINK BERNIE'S NAME WITH RACISM.
It's really not good for the campaign.
Thank you on behalf of Bernie well-wishers everywhere.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And who are you again?
I think if Bernie was here he's be disgusted by how he's been treated by so called liberals posting hateful things about him.
According to them he's is a racist, a gun nut, a Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies and thinks that orgasms prevented cancer.
Maybe you should aim your outrage and hyperbole at those folks.
What a weird post.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I hadn't seen that before.
Wow.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I got sick of seeing the denial here.
Brock Kentman
(48 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)I've seen all of those but put together like that, it's really bad. Damn.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm so sick of the claims that no one hates Bernie here.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I don't care about any of the stupid supporter shit. Facts are facts. Try as they might, they can't change them. Try as they might to pretend Sanders hasn't accomplished anything, facts show how false that is.
It's nice to have proof of the bullshit being put out about Senator Sanders. What's even better are facts that prove the bullshit, the links you posted and more, is just that, bullshit.
When you can't win with truth, attack personally. When you can't support with facts, just twisted facts and make stuff up.
But truth will win out. Principles will win out, like vowing not to take wall street money or endorse super pace,and then sticking to it. Accomplishments will win out, like ensuring millions of uninsured and under insured people receive health care
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)polls.
Ugh! Truly disgusting.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Since the day he announced.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)decent is interested in. Then USE it to raise money for Bernie! See Brock! That was brilliant, the way people came together and USED that corporate money to help Bernie.
I mean, if they are going spend it, why not put it to some good use, no?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)It's become completely surreal.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.
― George Bernard Shaw
Might have to put that in my sig.
It's a great quote and very true, imho.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to go, and they are looking to notorious characters like David Brock to help them. They should have learned from Brock's 'blindness' how disgusted the public is by these vicious attacks on ANYONE. In the end, even Republicans were sick to their stomach by the nastiness and Clinton benefited from that.
Same thing is going to happen with this. Decent people who support Hillary right now will be sickened by these vicious nasty personal attacks. It's happening already actually.
They want to hear about issues.
I hope they keep on doing it frankly. It proves how little they have to offer and we saw how it already benefited Bernie when the sneaky, cowardly Brock decided to bring his garbage from the Right into this Dem primary.
Roy Rolling
(6,853 posts)"Bernie's Problem With Blacks"
The defining of a candidate has begun, and such people like Froma who attempt to wrongly define Bernie are shills. But we should not be so naïve as to think a small minority of desperate Democratic political operatives will not stoop to the same methods of propaganda that have worked splendidly for right-wingers for two decades. Truth is relative for them. It's like calling out some right-wingers for being hypocrites. It is not surprising, or that they are unaware they are hypocrites, they are fully aware they are hypocrites but just don't give a rats ass.
So, when did Froma stop beating her wife? ... if you know what I mean.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The hypocrisy is staggering.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)By Any Means Necessary.
senz
(11,945 posts)That campaign, its nominee, and its supporters are nauseating.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...some of them just have a D next to their name.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)was a well funded smear tactic and now am more certain than ever. NRN sponsored it, they thought they were brilliant, Bernie handled it magnificently and many AAs were outraged, see all the statement online from people who deeply resented being 'represented' by what was clearly a dirty trick USING them to do so. I love all the statement from AAs I've seen condemning the whole disgusting attempt to prevent them from learning about a candidate that once they did, turned out to be someone they realized, as Lil B said, 'has been fighting for our rights for decades' then switched from Hillary to Bernie.
These nasty dirty tricks just don't work anymore. They are the epitome of what they public has grown sick of.
So let them keep it up and more and more decent people will distance themselves from them and Bernie will and is benefiting from that.
juajen
(8,515 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)failed to get beyond pretty much where the talking point started. The real world is concerned about FACTS and ISSUES, meantime the small minds of the few involved only in creating smear tactics and attempting to spread them around, are still feebly trying to dredge up THAT particular lie but only in their small corners of the internet.
In the meantime the public has stated clearly in over whelming numbers that the issues that concern them include right at the top of the list, 'The corrosive, corrupting effects of money in politics' so the smearmongers, funded by that dirty corporate money, are probably going to end up like David Brock, one of the dirtiest tricksters in recent history who just got his not-so-smart head handed to him as he smear campaign totally backfired and rather than harming Bernie Sanders, was put to good use to raise over one million dollars from people who are thoroughly disgusted by the negative, smears we are subjected to paid for by corporate money, in every election.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I'm just reading thru' it again and get here to this subthread and for some reason I wonder about David Brock's hairdo.
Well, I wonder if it's a wig?
I dunno, but I think if something's bare naked we should at least allow it a wig.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)trying NOT to answer a few simple questions, such as 'what was the point you were trying to make'. I laughed my head off, as I watched the little weasel try to wiggle out of responding since the ONLY point he had was getting paid to smear a good and decent man whose shoes Brock isn't fit to wipe.
But the hair, yes I don't recall him having hair like that. Maybe he went bald and bought himself a wig. But if you are going to wear a wig, it might be better if it looked like your own hair. HIS looked like Donald Trump's hair. Maybe he bought one of those Trump wigs they made for Halloween.
The thread is epic and we are keeping it going until Cali returns I guess. In honor of that other site where it was admitted that one of them deliberately tried to goad her. Amazing that we now have TWO sites obsessed with bashing this one and its inhabitants.
delrem
(9,688 posts)It's pretty damn hilarious.
Y'know, I'm not totally against "deliberately trying to goad" snipes, when well placed in an otherwise somewhat thoughtful discussion where there is at minimum some mutual respect.
I think it was at the time of (haha) the joke hashtag #berniesoblack, coupled with David Brock's obscene online army hammering "Bernie supporters" as being racist, that I lost even that minimum of respect.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for Bernie since most decent people don't operate that way and it disgusts them, it will not be forgotten that once again, the Hillary Campaign tried to play the race card. From the start it was clear where the 'Bernie has a problem with AAs' came from. I believe many people got it right from the begeinning. And when THAT vile hashtag appeared, there really was no doubt.
Bernie never had a problem with AAs so it was obviously an attempted smear campaign which HE put to good use to fix the ONLY problem he ever had with AAs, name recognition.
They have so discredited themselves now that NO ONE will every listen to a word any of them has to say again. I had given some leeway to one or two of them, but never again. People tried to warn me, but I like to give people a chance before totally dismissing them.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people all the time saying how 'we don't need this in our politics' and finding themselves shifting away from Hillary because she doesn't condemn it.
Bernie benefits from their extreme nastiness. Overall most people are decent and are turned off by this kind of garbage.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I've been the target of at least two failed alerts since yesterday, let's hope your juries are as fair.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I just had to go there.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Spot on.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)when they are the truth.
MoveIt
(399 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Thanks for the thread, cali.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Had Bayh been half-Kenyan and raised in Hawaii by white grandparents from Kansas, he too would have become a political star, at least for the month of December. But he is a conventional white man. When Bayh speaks in the quiet Midwestern way, he gets tarred as lackluster.
cali
(114,904 posts)is just the sort of crap I was referring to when I posted my op about the concerted effort to make Bernie look racist. Because that is what it is really about.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)"The senator dislikes the either-or type of debate and warns against false choices. Hes not too left, not too right. Sort of black, and sort of white."
cali
(114,904 posts)Yeah, I've had it.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Is that most of the "criticism" coming at cornel west is of the "Shut up and know your place!" variety. Complaints that he doesn't "show proper respect" and such.
Fromage Hurpderp doesn't seem any different in this.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)His arguments with Obama are just "family shit" and they don't care.
And, I live in the South.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But I do know what I'm seeing, when a bunch of white people smack their lips and talk about how "disrespectful" an outspoken black person is being, and how he "damages his cause" by not being more "polite."
But then - hey. I grew up in the south, myself. I think it really does lend a different set of eyeballs to the situation.
appalachiablue
(41,048 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 26, 2015, 09:50 AM - Edit history (1)
'Civil Disservice' VIDEO. At the time Froma was the one year president of the Civility Project, NCEW, National Conference of Editorial Writers formed to find how to restore civility to America's public discourse.
Froma Harrop with John Oliver
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'Civil Disservice', John Oliver with Froma Harrop on Civility in Public Discourse, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, 1/12/12.
*VIDEO, http://www.cc.com/video-clips/slfmox/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-civil-disservice
merrily
(45,251 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)person could possibly by that hypocritical. It just isn't possible.
This is what all that Corporate Money buys.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Seriously she had to be in on the joke.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)any of her 'work' before, but I sure won't be reading anything she writes from now on. She is is what all that corporate bribe money buys. This is what they use it for.
Disgusting racist garbage.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The unscrupulous usually do.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is well established in the historical record. I wouldn't trust ANY Clinton any farther than I can throw the Sphinx.
I have, somewhat reluctantly, started to use the other N-word (Nixon) when discussing HRH. The similarities - the overweening arrogance, grotesque sense of entitlement, decades-long obsession with the office, willingness to rig the process with money and paid operatives, willingness to say or do absolutely anything to have the office - are now as apparent as a Kodiak bear in a phone booth. Nixon is in many respects the only real parallel to HRH in US politics.
NO ONE who wants the office that badly should EVER be allowed to hold it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)"NO ONE who wants the office that badly should EVER be allowed to hold it."
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)The Clinton Machine is just getting started. Unfortunately, it's going to get worse. There is no way they will go down to a second HRC defeat without pulling out all the stops. I hope Bernie is prepared for this and has a plan to deal with their dirty tactics. He's far too ethical to resort to their low brow strategies. Perhaps that's what they're counting on.
Omaha Steve
(99,060 posts)Stay tuned.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)like Kari Byron chopping down the tree on Mythbusters:
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)Not that I doubt you, but is that for the ammo cost?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)getting the dirty money OUT of our electoral system. In fact he can USE these attacks as examples of what they use it for, to deprive the voters of the opportunity to focus on the issues that concern them by using the lowest, most vile and vicious attacks using some of the worst and most unethical people to do the dirty work, hoping it will distract from the People's Interests.
And don't forget, this time is different. Bernie has a virtual army of hundreds of thousands, growing into the millions of very smart volunteers who, as we saw with Brock's nasty and failed attempt, are ready to react instantly, using THEIR dirty money to benefit Bernie. And the people responded because they are sick to death of this bordering on criminal activity in our campaigns.
This is what needs to be cleaned up and as quickly as possible.
And the only person who is likely to at least TRY to do so, is Bernie Sanders.
PatrickforO
(14,514 posts)At least don't do it in the Hillary room...
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The parallels are clear. And most of the truly manic Hillionaires seem to have departed for a site mentioned elsewhere in this thread. They are welcome to their sty. And I wouldn't go in the Hillary room for $500.
PatrickforO
(14,514 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)If so, LOL!
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)But I wouldn't post anything.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...both have in common, which illustrates a degree of paranoia.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)... and they wonder why people don't trust Hillary.
Maaaaaaybe they should consider the possibility that their attraction to her doesn't stem from as positive a place as they think and maybe that's not so difficult to spot.
They are swept up in a heroic narrative. "Heroes", of course, have enemies.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I was trying to say that yesterday but mucked it up. Very simple, "NO ONE who wants the office that badly should EVER be allowed to hold it." Thank you
I don't trust any corporatist. I, no longer, trust anyone who supports the oligarchs.
I find this all rather sad. Just tells me that the oligarchs planned well.
Dumb down America
Dismantle public education
Make college unaffordable
Control all but the 1%
Jail / imprison the mentally ill, the poor, minorities and.every woman possible for controlling her body
Rape the people monetarily, taking their homes, their land, their self respect
Cause rifts everywhere possible
Vilify all minorities
Whenever possible, use police to beat, mame or even kill anyone, starting with young black men and the mentally disabled
Militarize local police
Use religion as a weapon against all "unChristian" religions
RFRAs
Bust the unions
Right to work
Get rid of 40 hour work week
End overtime pay
Gerrymander the entire fucking country
Run the world
Control the oil starting with Iraq's
Cause world economy to collapse
Well, you get where I'm going. Forgive me, I know I forgot things. The beginning of the end was the vote for the Iraq war. Just look at where the majority that voted "yes" are now.
Just all so incredibly sad, watching people fall into the abyss.
ObjectiveThinker556
(1 post)Are we just going to sit here and pretend that Bernie Sanders is somehow different from most White CIS old men? Literally learned all I needed to know about Bernie when he said women fantasize about being raped. Proof positive that he doesn't have any idea what women go through and he thinks we're mentally ill.
I'll stick with Hillary, thank you very much.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Have you ever thought about what it would be, to smoke a cigar while wearing a blue dress and seated in front of a mesmerized POTUS?
Now think about how it would be, to be the wronged wife.
People can well say that the continued relationship of husband and wife is a picture of fidelity.
As the lady in the blue dress has said: We're all adults here.
Thank you for "going there", ObjectiveThinker556, in your first post to DU.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Your misnomer aside.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)seems like they were just here, 10 minutes ago.
Odd.
cali
(114,904 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Where among other things, they have debated whether nadin is "qualified" to be a person of color (apparently she's "not brown enough" and there's a post promoting an antisemitic conspiracy theory that Israel is footing Sanders' campaign and promising him a retirement package.
Mostly though, it's just shit like this:
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Seeing it being played this early is very telling indeed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/clinton-foundation-donors-are-funding-hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-2015-4#ixzz3jn5ISbta
Saban recently partnered with Sheldon Adelson in an anti-BDS drive
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)person elected or something?
Wow, our system sure has been broken for a long, long time. And how do they get their 'FP policy decisions' implemented? Let me guess, they buy candidates with millions of dollars.
It is an emergency now to get this money out of our system of government, to make it illegal with huge consequences for anyone to try to bribe or buy a politician.
No wonder the country is in the state it's in.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)We have our standards.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And a pervert with rape fantasies, a gun nut, a draft dodger, a lying moocher...
Did I miss any?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)On the other hand, the smearmongers aren't that creative so they're already recycling memes, so actually... probably not.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)There are plenty of others.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Since I support Bernie I'm in a cult filled with hate and vengeance, Bernie hates everything, and as a supporter I'm not sensible.
WTF? I've never posted anything disparaging about Hillary.
Thanks for the link, Scoots! Sick, sick shit, but consider the source.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)It's hypocritical because she hated Hillary with a passion in 08. Almost as much as she hates Bernie.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's the one where Sanders, Clinton, Jeb, and Trump are marching down their paths; no one is following Jeb or Hillary, Trump's got a little clump of 'baggers, and Bernie's a little behind all three but has a looong throng of people behind him.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)Thanks.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Lovely toon.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)by Matt Wuerker at Politico
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And so accurate. Which, of course, is what makes it great.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Hillarious.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Irony is dead.
merrily
(45,251 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm sure I've seen it before but I have no recollection of it.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)He is unelectable ... just because ! He's old, his hair is weird, he is a sociologist - or whatever it is that makes him a pinko commie, the only people who support him are Volvo-driving white elites who are somehow concentrated entirely in Iowa and NH. He is, has been, and will be completely ineffective , the GOP won't compromise with him (yet they would compromise with other Dems?) , he commutes to work on a rainbow-farting unicorn, he dated a stripper and has boxes in his garage (that was him, right?) , 40 years of walking the walk on civil rights means black people hate him, sticking to his principles even when not politically expedient means he isn't pragmatic and doesn't understand reality, regularly answering every question about the issues matters less to voters than closed door mega-donor dinners and selfies with Kim & Kanye, watered-down campaign promise versions of his policies are just as good, drawing enormous crowds is irrelevant, shunning corporate donors makes him ... something bad ... unelectable again I guess.
There are more out there , and there will be plenty more to come. Anything but the issues.
merrily
(45,251 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)They sure tried to let us know in every way possible before creating that :barf: site.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Removes any shadow of a doubt for others who weren't aware of what's going on.
polly7
(20,582 posts)[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
I've never posted with Bravenak, said a single word against her and I felt horrible that she received a frightening letter in the mail.
But, hey girl! ....... I have plenty of (fantastic!) girlfriends, boyfriends and absolutely no problem looking in the mirror.
I've also never mentioned your name, except in support, so I certainly haven't 'blamed you' for anything what on earth would I blame you for??
Just a thought - spend a little more time thinking about what you're posting and make sure you can back it up, because you're 100% dreaming this up about me.
Jeeezus.
Sorry bmus, appears you're not so well liked either.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm being targeted because of who I support and like on DU.
Who is it that's been whining 24/7 about being treated unfairly here and is now doing the same thing?
Maybe they should turn that mirror around and take a good long look in it.
If they can stand it, that is.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)but I don't know if they've pointed their mental peashooters at me yet. And I couldn't care less if they do.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And praising racist journalists like Harrop too.
Their house is filthy and they're going to complain about others?
Pffft.
polly7
(20,582 posts)and sort of funny, when you think about it. I mean, just how angry are they their site has gotten some attention? But, he did post it in his sig line.
Strange for me to see Bravenak personally attacking like that, especially when I only know of her because of that letter.
Sorry you've been targeted ..... but I hope you know really why, you're a powerful voice for your candidate, don't let the lies and muck go unanswered, and they can't debate you and win. Like others I've seen them name over there and start whole threads about - you all have that in common.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And the same to you, I don't know you very well but I cannot understand why anyone would say that about you.
You seem like a good person who is here on good faith.
Looks like I'm in good company.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I've been on 'a list' for a long time. Seeing exactly who is over there, I'm sure the whistle went out once I posted in this thread.
No worries, eh?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Like you have many good friends here and irl, I don't need fake ones.
I'll keep keeping on.
polly7
(20,582 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)And of course anyone who supports Bernie Sanders.
You and I, we don't always agree BMUS.
I seem to remember.
But I like that whacked out bernie-doll avatar-icon.
A lot of times on DU people tell me to get real, to stop expecting that everything make sense.
So I'm learning how to make room for the unreasonable.
Pretty soon maybe I'll learn how to laugh.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If I didn't know how to laugh all I'd have is anger and sorrow.
And they hate it when we laugh.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Well I like it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)This might be a good time for me to STFU myself
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The fact that people we know are keeping lists and tracking everything we say here is disturbing.
The Cave has some serious competition when it comes to creepy.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Some deserved
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And they complain about our behaviour???
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And here I am announcing how vulnerable I am to a timeout. Well, nobody ever accused me of being a genius
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'll watch your back.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We all need to be creative, knowing you've got four hides already and not getting another while speaking your mind is quite a challenge!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)approved by Wall St. All in one big box, and sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Hillary is losing women to Bernie at an astounding rate. That box will have to be way bigger in another couple of months.
No surprise since Bernie's record on Women is so far superior to Hillary's. HE eg, voted AGAINST the horrible Welfare Reform Bill predicting what it would do women and children who needed support. Hillary otoh, boasted and still does to my knowledge, or did last time she mentioned it, about how she used her influence as First Lady to get votes for it.
Bernie again, was correct. That legislation devastated poor women and children and spawned many women's orgs to try to do something about it.
Another reason why I support Bernie. He supports US.
polly7
(20,582 posts)But this surprised me, as I don't vote there and have never said one negative word about any of your candidates. Neither have I said one word against Bravenak, posted to her, with her .... or anything else. I did post once in a thread in which that letter was being discussed - in support of her. I think it's just that I've been on their list for a long, long time and anything that might goad me into something or other is the goal.
Excellent post though, I can tell how hard you work on all of these issues and with your elections, how educated you are on all of it and how much you care about improving the lives of everyone. I wish you luck, in that the best people to do that are voted in.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)basing their material on facts, they are being TOLD who is the 'enemy' and simply accepting it. It's quite shameful actually, that a small group here is spreading lies and innuendos about DUers, like you, and it is just accepted, despite the FACTS.
I've never seen anything like this, but it definitely doesn't surprise me one bit after one glance at the link and seeing who is there.
Sorry you were dragged into something without even a concern in the world whether or not what was said was true in any way.
Certainly makes me question everything else that person has to say and has had to say.
Thanks for the good wishes, we will do our best but as you can see, there will be a well financed effort to stop us.
delrem
(9,688 posts)In the end we're all exactly what we choose.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)They validated everything I thought about them.
I had them pegged. They hate Jews. It was pretty obvious to me, but of course, we can't say that to them here or we'd be stalked, alerted and banned.
cali
(114,904 posts)William769
(55,124 posts)Sometime as has it been in other DU members Sig line. So I ask again how has it been exposed?
I will say this though, we appreciate all the attention we are getting. Could not have done it without you all!
have a great Hillary Day!
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm sure you're proud of yourself although for the life of me I can't understand why.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Ass was hanging out all over the place.
William769
(55,124 posts)We wouldn't want to see any mobs start as we have seen before.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)First time any thread has required two.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Too late, you shouldn't have advertised that garbage here.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's just to prevent non-members from seeing what is being said
FYI, I'm not going to register there. I saw enough.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And thanks to Scootaloo so did a lot of other people.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)whining about DU à la The Conservative Cave? No substance, just whining about... DUers? People sure seem to have a lot of time on their hands!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I suppose there could be some sort of campaigning for Hillary going on there but I never saw any.
Everyone needs a hobby.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)and that seems to cheese some of them off to no end. They have a Facebook page. I'm not a member, but I've heard it's nothing but whining about DUers. I seem to recall one of them declaring "we talk offline!," as if that meant anything. And now this DU-bashing Hillary site. They're adorable.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)SMC22307
(8,088 posts)I won't miss them one bit. They do nothing but try to bring down DU, bust on the site owners, play victim, play the -ist cards... GOOD RIDDANCE.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:36 AM - Edit history (1)
MoveIt
(399 posts)surge pricing x astroturfing x persona management,
the mash up you knew 2016 was waiting for!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)But don't worry, lot of screenshots will start popping up faster than you think.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)sheshe2
(83,324 posts)I can see you now.
I took someone off ignore. They are going back real soon.
Hugs~
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Thanks for that, btw. Enjoy trying to find me.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Assuming you have "standards."
Response to William769 (Reply #114)
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)You do seem to know an awful lot about posters here for only having been here a month.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You must be very proud.
William769
(55,124 posts)The forum part is only a small part of the site. The main part which is here http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/ was done with the labor of love.
I understand though people with blinders on only see what they want to see.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We didn't have blinders on when we read the revolting things that were said about Bernie and your fellow DUers at your website.
You closed the curtain too late.
William769
(55,124 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Or is accusing Jewish Americans of dual loyalty to Israel just what you guys do for fun?
William769
(55,124 posts)I have moderators I defer to their judgement as any board would.
Was I the one that posted what you ask?
And before you ask, I am not going to comment on everything posted on the site (I would never get any sleep).
If I have a comment to make on Senator Sanders I will make it, and you will know it's from me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He's rid the place of plenty of bigots in the past.
Too bad your standards aren't as strict.
But hey, like you said, you're proud of what's posted there.
William769
(55,124 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And thanks to Scootaloo many others also know what goes on there.
William769
(55,124 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But now that they've shown their true colours I'm reminded of the Cave dwellers who only exist to trash DU and its members.
William769
(55,124 posts)I have already been called a anti-Semite, just go ahead and add a RW Troll to the list. After all that's what your inferring here. But we know that won't happen it's just the inferring you want to do. And BTW there's a word for that.
I await Skinner's action or inaction.
Have a nice night.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He has no control over what happens at your website so why do you keep asking to be "reported"?
Seems kind of odd.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)...to YOU.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Wankle Ronnie
(66 posts)But could you point me to that thread? Hillaryclintonsupporters.com is new to me...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But before they closed the curtain many of us got a good look at what's being said over there.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Hum, also sounds a lot like embarrassment. From my personal experience with private boards, the more you are trying to keep things from leaking the more paranoid the members eventually become and it usually produces factions and then it gets really ugly. So I wish them a lot of fun before the implosion.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)They don't even realize that Hillary don't give a damn about them and wouldn't even give them the time of day if they crossed her path. She doesn't care about the proles, the 99%.
merrily
(45,251 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)going be. We had no problem getting rid of that kind of bigotry as soon as it appeared, including those who exposed themselves as such. They were gone in a flash. As a result, the site was free of bigots, it wasn't welcoming to them.
Anyhow, good luck, clicked on it once, won't be doing so again. It reminded me of the Cave, dedicated to the bashing of Du and DUers. Pretty boring since we are all familiar with that kind of site by now. Being bashed on sites like that is a badge of honor, now I guess we'll all have two badges. Cool!
840high
(17,196 posts)Response to 840high (Reply #306)
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BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Hey Bill, are the casual members aware of the forums that can only be accessed by a chosen few? I'm sure that you'll deny that there is such a thing going on at your little utopia but from what I've seen over the years with these types of boards it's the case 99% of the time.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)A maladapted bunch.
I am convinced that one of them was "Mr Citizen"
It's exactly the kind of ratfucking to which they're temperamentally suited.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Just wow.
Really a new low. I didn't think it was possible. That you think this is all so funny and can have such a rude and flippant and truly disgusting attitude about it is truly sad. I don't know how you all live with yourselves. Honestly. I would hate to be such a human being as that.
William769
(55,124 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)You really should be ashamed. You are acting as if you just don't care about decency and integrity. Is that true?
And if everything is so wonderful, why did you suddenly hide the site when the ugliness was exposed? I thought you welcomed all the attention? That's what you said anyway.
William769
(55,124 posts)sheshe2
(83,324 posts)Home an hour ago~
Ya, you got it!
William769
(55,124 posts)sheshe2
(83,324 posts)Theres.....done
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)And since you are also a member of that Cave-style board that is trashing DUers don't be surprised if many people treat you differently from now on. Good night.
polly7
(20,582 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You read their posts too, so you know what I'm talking about.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Of course i didn't get to read the whole site as it was blocked pretty quickly for some reason.
I agree with you.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If I had said some of the things I saw there I wouldn't either.
Not a pretty picture.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Just a thought.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)What it means is that a lot of people will see your site's content.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)PatrickforO
(14,514 posts)Lots of naming names, referring to specific people.
Don't reveal too much about yourself on here, seriously. These people are doing their best to make this NOT a community.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)supporter with the astrology avatar, or the militant lesbian with lots of problems?
I mean, I'm probably both and ashamed of neither, but when you put it that way I DO sound pretty lame.
And I don't give a fuck because I have enough awesome in my life that it's like a pack of ants swatting at a cat.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I was wrong.
At least one group of Humans do that too.
not here tough. Clean as a whistle.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)And that place is a sewer.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts).... fucking disgusting....
djean111
(14,255 posts)Holy shit.
cali
(114,904 posts)It's sad to note who posted it.
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=615
djean111
(14,255 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 24, 2015, 05:54 AM - Edit history (1)
Mixture of HRC worship and Obama adoration. How DARE Bernie!
Very instructive stuff. Makes the whining about Bernie's supporters bizarre.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)some of them are seriously disturbed.
djean111
(14,255 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Facts mean nothing. Reason means less. It seems to be flirting with an almost Maoist or Jim Jones/People's Temple level of complete self-delusion and paranoia. It's a fandom more than a candidacy and it has been cranked up to 11. I leave my fannish impulses over at Equestria Daily where they belong.
ETA: For me, and I suspect 99% of Bernie supporters it's about what he is SAYING and what he STANDS FOR. It isn't about Bernie personally, and if he hadn't run but Liz Warren had, we'd be backing her as ardently as we back Bernie because she stands for many of the same things Bernie does. And Bernie always says it is NOT about him. For us it seems to be about IDEAS and we are willing to get behind anyone who stands for those genuinely progressive and Democratic ideas.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)And the HillIs44 site? Whole lot of bilious racism and hate being spewed. Now the opponant is Jewish so theyre spewing anti-Semitic hatred. It seems that Hillary is the Pied Piper for gathering unhinged supporters.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I was here in '08 w/a different moniker. I was an early Obama supporter mainly because of Ted and Caroline's endorsements. And I remember it well. It was nasty, but this is already considerably worse.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)When she was on the Walmart board, the joke among some UofA professors was that her serving on the board was "the best of both worlds-- Hillary gets to rub shoulders with America's Richest Man, and Sam has practically a direct line to the Governor". I think that "rubbing shoulders with America's Richest Man" was a very corrupting influence.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)perspective.
Here you have a group of people who- many of them- are completely enamored with Hillary the brand, or what Hillary as a candidate represents in their heads, or otherwise over-identified with her in such a way that there is some sort of deep emotional thing going on-- I really think, after observing for a while; that Hillary represents something, some salve or vindication or 'payback' or what have you for some subconscious or deeply buried dealio in some of these folks' lives.
It would be easy to say, "well, they just want a female President"- and many HRC supporters acknowledge as much... certainly, I think it's past time for a woman President, too, but that's not the only criteria-- but it was made pretty clear early on that for whatever reason, Liz Warren- who many of us really would have liked to see in the race- would NOT have satisfied that particular whatever-it-is, that HRC does.
And no small part of it is that, in the minds of many of this crowd, Hillary was 'robbed' in 2008 and they're still mad- but beyond that, again, she seems to be an icon in these folks' heads of something which is wildly removed from anywhere she is actually likely to govern.
Which is the bottom line, here, as far as I'm concerned- I've sort of assumed from the get-go that Hillary would be the nominee, I think odds are pretty good (but not a slam dunk) that she still will be, and all along I've been okay with that. Not hugely excited, because I understand that would likely mean a lot of status quo, potentially some policy worse than Obama (who I think will be remembered better, by history, than folks realize) but en masse not a whole lot of exciting stuff either way. Which is fine, I'd much rather have a status quo establishment Democrat than the clusterfuck promised by any of the GOP clowns. I was open to supporting her at the beginning but my fear was always that she was going to run this horrible, poll-tested, out of touch, empty platitude and pablum campaign.
When she got rolling with the soft-focus video and "I want to empower communities and families" I went, "oh fuck, here we go"
If you look over at that other site, the hate for Sanders is palpable-- and frankly, more than a little unhinged. Really, one wonders what it is they hate SO MUCH about this man who, whether or not one is gonna support him in the primaries, has undeniably spent his career fighting for progressive causes. It baffles, until you realize that it wouldn't matter who the fuck Sanders was, what matters is he's throwing a wrench into the inevitability machine, and ITS HER TURN and if she doesn't win again it will be SO. NOT. FAIR.
and then they turn around and call the Sanders people "cultists". It's fucking goofy.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Some of those posts about Sanders are so false and delusional, it's amazing anyone would actually believe it, or even pretend to believe it. But there it is. And yet Clinton's position of the day is always correct, and if it changes then the new position is correct.
He got in the way of a "winning brand" and any defense against that is, apparently, acceptable.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It doesn't matter because HILLAREEE'S 4 U AND ME!
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go "have a great Hillary day", with that jaunty tune stuck in my ear
sibelian
(7,804 posts)The whole "Bad things have happened to me so I must be the good guy" thing.
Yeeeeeah. That's. Not. How. It. Works....
It's very easy to suppose that Hillary's treatment emerges from her qualities rather than her conduct, but only if you're already the kind of person who uses a personal history of being judged for one's for immutable qualities rather than one's conduct as an excuse for appalling conduct.
They see themselves in her. Everyone's meeeeean to her so she must be the good guy.... like THEY are. And, of course, the good guys can be as horrible as they like, it's only the bad guys that aren't allowed to be horrible.
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pscot
(21,023 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm guessing she didn't read the OP ofthis thread, though.
Holding out hope!
cali
(114,904 posts)used in 2008. Never turned out to be a very short period of time.
demmiblue
(36,743 posts)she told me repeatedly that she would never forgive the racist dog whistles
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=617046
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This is, plain and simple, personal stalking AND attacks on other members, one in particular.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:51 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: one of Cali's comments has already been hidden, thus she is no longer allowed to post in the thread, so therefore this alert is meaningless.
carry on
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Enough stalking African Americans here for having god damned opinions that differ from our own. It's disgusting.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster already had one post hidden in this thread. Why alert on another?
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
The alerter needs a mirror, FFS. I am guessing it is coming from that right-leaning Clinton supporter site (aka, the anti-semite site) that eerily resembles the Cave.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Irony is not dead.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Of course it won't be our side playing the victim card forever.
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it's good to know that so many weathervanes weren't sacrificed for nothing
I really liked her and was so sad to see her on a long time out.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Or not, maybe. People get really unhinged over board spats and can begin to warp reality to suit their personal vendettas.
But yeah, the Clinton social justice cohort is either dead silent or approving of this stuff, so I think I can safely dismiss everything they have to say from this point forward.
Not that I wasn't cynical about their motives before, but now the hypocrisy has reached self-collapsible levels.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)SMC22307
(8,088 posts)And I feel like going Cher-on-Nicolas-Cage to those who have.
Wonder if Homeland Security has figured out who sent the *threatening* letter yet.
enigmatic
(15,021 posts)I was juror #5:
On Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Me neither.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=618174
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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This is an attack on Bravenak, making light of a letter sent to her home by some anonymous individual. It was over the line, and here they are implying it wasn't threatening or real. This is offensive and rude about a Duer who can't respond because she is on time out.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:38 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have been a staunch supporter of Bravenak since the beginning of the "Alert stalking" saga. While I may disagree with how she approaches some topics, we share much common ground on the general content. I thought that her repetitive time-outs were done with malicious intent and relatively organized.
That said, I must make two statements. Firstly, while I may believe the letter is "real" in the sense that it exists, no proof has been offered to counteract claims to the contrary and little if any information has been made public; speculation is hardly "over the line", especially when there is obviously reasonable doubt given a lack of evidence. Secondly, Bravenak is currently posting on an alternative site, attacking DUers individually (making "shit lists" and "alert lists" targetting DUers) with a vitriol normally left for Free Republic or Conservative Cave. Member of DU or not, she is engaged in active, malicious activity deliberately targeting Democratic Underground with the intent of disruption of this website. It is with that in mind that, coupled with her "time out", I believe I can say that Bravenak is not a contributing or active member of DU, and is in fact trolling this community.
Trolls, by their nature of being trolls, are not subject to protection by the community standards I wish to maintain on this forum. I will not be hiding any juried post regardless of content that is directed at Bravenak; She is a disruptor and should be banned immediately for active collusion and intent to harm the members of Democratic Underground via off-site organized attacks.
I vote to leave it, though I would add that I do this reluctantly and with a heavy heart. I wish Bravenak wasn't driven to this, but her actions are her own and she must own them accordingly.
Leave it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The stalking of bravenak is an ongoing point of shame for DU.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This does not rise to the hideable level.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: LEAVE IT.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I agree with the alerted DUer. Too bad. Deal.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)and for your vote, for that matter.
I hope people pay attention to Juror #1, who put quite a bit into that vote. I'm sick of certain groups here doing nothing but maligning DU, and I see I'm not alone.
Enjoy your new website folks... good riddance.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)OET. It will be a ghost town. The vitriol tends to burn itself out.
merrily
(45,251 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)MoveIt
(399 posts)Play acting.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)WTF? I thought conservatives were the authoritarians with the 'my color! team shirt!' problem. I'm a Bernie supporter who will push the button for Hillary if she is the nominee. In the meantime, she hardly needs my support.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)The content is really rank..
Postby Ismnotwasm » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:25 pm
Movement politics tend to be narcissistic and dictatorial. They allow dissent only within a narrow philosophical band. That constrains the ability to hear through others' ears.
Yes indeed
#fuckthebern
Given how I was treated in the AA forum this bit is laughable. I had no idea...
I just found this thread...it's a good one!
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)were posting against as of quite a while ago. But we were told we were racists for being right. And you still haven't seen the worst of it, this is still the "cleaned up" version of the act. As a newbie, some of us saw enough ugly behavior to refuse to reply after that.
I don't need to be treated viciously myself to know who that person doing it is. When I see it done to others, that is "case closed".
And I stand on my view on the "controversy". Absofuckinglutely. Some of us can read character, or lack thereof. And who can forget that lineup for virtual hugs... omg.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)accuse anyone here of racism after reading that thread. It isn't sad, it's disgusting. She has been trashed, and was when Obama was running, probably by some of the same people now holding her racist views up on a pedestal.
Ugh!
polly7
(20,582 posts)A lot of very bitter posters there fixated on people here.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)So much hate ........ so much time.
I guess it's nice they're all together there having fun at it, though. People gotta have fun.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I hope they keep it going, it's nice to know who your friends are.
Plus we can monitor the attacks before they're launched here.
polly7
(20,582 posts)public reading - but holy crap there's still a whole lot of it all over that place. And they hide posts that are even worse (can't imagine how bad they must be). I don't see supporters of other candidates here filled with so much anger and what appears to be pure hate.
Those people need to calm down, they're going to stroke out if they keep that up.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I have no idea what he did to make them hate him so much, it's like reading FreeRepublic.
polly7
(20,582 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)1) He dared to challange HRH's inevidibility, along with 2) a sizeable dose of anti-semitism.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're desperately trying to dig up dirt on Bernie and the best they can do is "JEW!!1!"
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)nuff said.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Unforgivable. It should be hers by divine right.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)It's the 'Dumpster' of the Cave ...... only more vicious. No wonder it's the most popular forum there, coincidentally, just like the Dumpster! It was pretty eye-opening reading while I could, didn't think I'd see that level of hatred from DU members currently posting that seem quite likable here, in many cases. Guess they're just posing here.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Well, it shows that they're a little bit embarrassed by some of the crap that they're spewing. And that they are chickens.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Someone may be busy with the mop and bucket for a while. Or not .... seems quite proud of the garbage directed towards people here, who from what I've seen, don't deserve any of it.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I mean seriously, when people are going around saying he "Hates everything", you're not dealing with rational or honest people. They attack using Whatever Means Available, and somehow manage to convince themselves it's true. Or at least they pretend to be convinced.
Because "winning".
polly7
(20,582 posts)And I don't even vote here, but I find it sad, because he seems like a good, honest man who's never hurt a soul in his life. Making up crap about his supporters is one thing, but the things they're saying about him are just so overboard. I wonder if they'd say it to his face.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's shameless.
840high
(17,196 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hypocrites.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Truth AND irony meters broken
Wankle Ronnie
(66 posts)apparently it is 100% closed to outsiders.. Only loyalty and blood oath gives them access.
It is an echo chamber. Nothing more.
Whatever. Reminds me of a bunch of anti-$NAME_YOUR_CANDIDATE websites that sprung up every primaries.
merrily
(45,251 posts)MuseRider
(34,057 posts)but par for the course for a lot of them. The old "of course he does this because he IS that" or as someone else called it "the Jew card". My husband is Jewish and somehow just about everyone ends up talking about Israel or Jewish biblical interpretation. He finds it so odd and uncomfortable and has said it makes him as uncomfortable as it would if they just out and out called him a "**" (won't say it). He absolutely believes that is racist just to assume he is all in with "all the rest of them".
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Just like all the others who are showing their true colours there.
DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)regardless of whether you disagree with bravenak, you have to admit that her being harassed off cyberspace my someone claiming to be a Bernie supporter was unacceptable, even Skinner saw that.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Skinner said that people on timeouts deserve to be there and I agree.
I never had a problem with bravenak and was surprised to see her badmouth me over there.
Oh well, I'm not going to lose sleep over what they're saying about me.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)on time-out than being able to post the last few months. If they head over there, fine. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm no saint - I own my hide, I sure as hell don't blame everyone else for making me a victim like all of the HC supporters who are on vacation.
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HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Whole lot of anti-semitism and hate on that site that doesn't get past most juries on DU.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Jebus, they ARE paranoid, aren't they?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Good thing there's only a few of them.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...dirty tricks...starting to sound like the Nixon gang.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Most used the same user names they have here.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Would that POS franksolich be allowed to be a member here?
stranger81
(2,345 posts)Lots of Cavers purport to be, in any event.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it's back up but it's different somehow
but ya know what they say-it's one thing to know and another to.......
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But it's too late, we saw the mess before housekeeping got there.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)And yes, it's fucking disgusting. The "disloyal Jew" trope is one of the ugliest canards out there, and any issue I have Sanders as a candidate has nothing to do with his religious and ethnic background, and I don't believe for a second that his loyalty to this country has ever or should ever be in question.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I have to live with myself after the primaries and I would NEVER talk about Hillary that way.
Nor would I associate with anyone who does.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Each camp has its share of nasty. Some of the things said after the Seattle incident with BLM made me want to vomit.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But we're only responsible for our own actions.
I hope everyone steps back and thinks about how the things said during the primaries will affect long term relationships.
I like and respect many HC supporters and consider them friends.
senz
(11,945 posts)Do they do their dirty work in secret? If so, it figures.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Too late, most people were able to see what goes on there.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I honestly did *not* believe that antisemitism was a motivation, but now? Someone else suggested to me that I think twice about whether or not that was a factor.
I said, eh maybe, but didn't really believe it.
Now, I'm kind of pissed that we can have such snakes in our midst and I failed to believe it.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)whole antisemitic garbage. I'm nauseated and furious! I saved the page on my Hard Drive and on web.archive.org (Way-back Machine) in case they decide to delete it or something.
http://web.archive.org/web/20150924080750/http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=559
arcane1
(38,613 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I sincerely hope that poster never comes back here.
And everyone who let that comment go without calling out the disgusting anti-Semitism should ask themselves why they think it's acceptable to accuse a Jewish Senator who's running for the Democratic nomination of being funded by Israel.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Now, the Bernieturds think that is a sign of the common man. I think it's a sign that he can't get along with the Senators and that they won't talk to him because he is such a preacher.
Bet the staff is glad for the days that he's not there. Just saying.
On another thread:
Give me a B. Give me an S.
What do you got?
BS
What does it mean?
Bull Shit
Give me a D
Give me a U
What do you got?
DU
What does it mean?
Deluded Untruth
Put em together
BSDU
What do you get?
Bull Shit Deluded Untruth
BSDU
Very mature. If they hate DU so much why don't they just leave for good?
ETA:
Bernie and Trump are both HATE.. Too bad I can't write that below their stupid fantasy. who drew that stupid toon?
mahalo jules
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Oh, wait, they do that here too.
"BS"
Giggle ... snicker ... hee hee ... we so bad
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)I knew there would be those lurking and possibly even taking it to DU. I really have NMFTG. I said what I thought and I'm happy you're frothing at the mouth, and getting yourselves all worked up in a tizzy.. BS cultists are raging on #BlackLivesMatter Activists all over the net, and anyone else who doesn't bow at the fucking altar of Berntoast.
Don't be so freaking shocked when anyone wants to get away from that smouldering mountain of BS, and calls you out on your never-ending maze of bullshit.
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=580#p5934
Mahalo, Chae! We love you too!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And posted this cartoon on DU2?:
How odd.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Talk about a weird change of allegiance. There's something seriously wrong with that person.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Apparently, Hillary is not the only one who evolves.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Weird that they can switch idols like that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #423)
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Wow, what a horrendous pile of steaming shit that is.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Very nasty toward the majority of DUers.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)and her #fuckthebern had gone to.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)No surprise to see some of the names there. Or the content. Quite the echo chamber!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)Holy shit.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Feels almost like Fweeperland. Bitter, angry people who see nothing but the demons tattooed on the insides of their own eyelids.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)stranger81
(2,345 posts)Looks like most of my ignore list has decamped there.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It certainly explains a blissful level of quiet around some parts.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)you know, the sites run by David Brock. lol
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in the viciousness and paranoia is hard to miss.
TheKentuckian
(24,934 posts)A couple or a few kinda make me heartbroken. Very disappointing.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I guess Hillary4Uandme.com was taken?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I wonder why?
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)deciding whether to make the whole site visible to members only after this thread! that would be my guess!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Some real names here, one with all the old enemies and word salad. I doubt they'll change names, they seem quite proud of themselves. The Grumble is like reading at the Cave though, I wonder if they realize their obsession isn't quite healthy.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Anti-Semitism, calling him a perverted old man, etc.
I don't like Hillary but I would never talk about her like that, even off site.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I think he's a good man with a huge heart and who genuinely cares about all people. He doesn't deserve that kind of nastiness, imho .... from reading here and other sites, I honestly don't see what he's done to deserve it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The defenders of big money aren't too happy about that.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Something about him reminds me of what I know of Tommy Douglas up here - his spunk, determination, and 'I don't give a * attitude' to the all-powerful against him when it comes to what he really believes in.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)because people are reacting positively to what he is saying, not because they didn't KNOW IT, but he is giving the people a VOICE.
I love watching how they are so desperate they are actually only HELPING HIM.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I've read just today that no-one is listening to him, he's making no impact, and he's toast.
You're right, so much of that negativity and so vocal ....... they really are drawing attention to him and people aren't stupid, once they investigate a bit they'll decide on their own how to view him.
Good to see you, sabrina!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)They thought they had it all wrapped up and the people have no option but to put up with the same old system. They had no idea how angry the people were until Bernie stepped up and gave them a voice.
Same old garbage from the authoritarians who think they own this country. Bernie is demonstrating that the People own it or did until it was stolen from them, and he has volunteered to help them restore the democracy we still pretend to be.
You can't challenge the powerful without consequences. They will do anything to hold on to what they have stolen and to keep their laws in place to protect them, such as Citizens United.
This is probably only the beginning of what they will resort to in order to prevent the PEOPLE from getting the kind of government they want.
But we knew this, so did Bernie. But it has to start somewhere and there's no time like the present.
Let them wallow in their hatred and poutrage, the people will do all they can to get this country out of the hands of those who have so harmed it and harmed other countries as well.
That's what he did, he showed them they are not all powerful, that the people have not accepted their oligarchical rule, and they will keep trying until they restore democracy in this country
polly7
(20,582 posts)Very well stated.
I wish you could clone him and send him up here.
It is obvious that people comfortable with the status quo will fight tooth and nail to not change it. They seem to have no vision outside their own personal welfare, which is why I found their use of minorities to try to bring him down with just ...... bad. If they'll do that, they'll do anything, imo. Our conservatives up here are using the same tricks right now - some of the ads on TV are so sad you feel like throwing something through a wall.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)war criminals, still free btw, still spewing their lies here, seemed to have influenced some of your reps also.
Bernie won't be able to fix everything they have destroyed by himself, that is why he needs milli!ons of people to support him. And against all the odds, he appears to be getting that support, which only goes to show how sick people are with those in power. And that is why we see all the temper tantrums.
They will make stuff, have actually, align themselves with snakes like David Brock, as we saw, lie, cheat and spend billions if necessary to try to stop him, and US. But so far, they have failed. Their old dirty tricks are not working as well as they used to.
It's happening in Greece, in the UK, here and anywhere the neoliberals have imposed their disastrous policies on the people. I hope it happens in Canada too. If we do succeed here, I have a feeling it will inspire other countries to do the same.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'll be crossing my fingers and toes for all of us.
Unless there is big change in many, many countries very soon ....... we're all screwed, imho.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But I've been reading it for a little bit, and goddamn, couldn't contain it anymore.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Don't feel bad!
Prism
(5,815 posts)I decamped to other boards to bitch about DU in the past, with the anti-gay purge being the impetus.
But, I never flounced off to a place so I could post racism amongst friendlies.
So, that's all very special.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I'm often bemused at what it takes to get a bad reputation.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)I put Bravenak on Ignore several months ago.
That site is disgusting. It is sick that they got Cali on another time out. The projection is sickening. This is one of the nastiest primaries I have seen and it has barely started.
ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Who was that other person you were determining this with, in the "grumbles" section? Ilyah, I think? Did the two of you reach a conclusion or is it still an ongoing investigation?
polly7
(20,582 posts).
ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)Why don't you ask Nadin?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and she identifies as both a Latina and a Jew.
She's a nice person. Far nicer than people who try to make hay over her ethnicity.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)That putrid site seems to be a magnet for anti semites.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Response to Scootaloo (Reply #66)
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)You really have no shame. First Nadine then this filth.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Amoral people often start strutting and ruffling their feathers and giggling when they've been found out. They very often don't know what else to do.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)is this the Hillary Clinton only sandbox that was made to get more money?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And to its credit, it seems to solely boost Clinton and bash Republicans.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I don't believe he will ever get into the mudslinging business.
I can respect his support and I do understand that many people of more comfortable financial means than myself and my neighbors can support Hillary, down here however, the situation is quite critical, too critical for Republican lite policies to continue as many here are beginning the process of becoming newly homeless and most of the rest are barely hanging on with diets of rice and beans. People like us can no longer afford the fiscally conservative socially liberal hybrid politicians.
I get that the middle and upper middle class that this rot hasn't reached yet can still support such hybrids.
They just can't see what it is doing to the working poor and poor all around them. With many like Skinner, he is not blind to it willfully, just doesn't see it where he lives.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)their posts in an identical manner?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Oh hey! off-topic. Did you ever watch "The Tick" when you were a kid? That pilot episode is a hoot.
artislife
(9,497 posts)But I am glad they have their place on the internet now to swim in the H pool.
Funny how they are still making the victims posts even over there, well...She is the candidate of the great unchange.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)that they feel the need to callout a poster from another site and discuss them without giving them the right to reply . But obviously from this they are not worth discussing anything with .
This is just lower than a snakes asshole .
artislife
(9,497 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Just like right wingers. They say shit all the time that you know they don't believe, but they say it with such conviction.
With HRC supporters it's that Bernie supporters are so mean etc... and they say all of that while attempting to swiftboat Bernie with false racism smears. Astounding.
And with right wingers it's the same thing, they accuse Dems of exactly what they themselves are guilty of.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)I've served on several in the short amount of time I've been online.
These people are now targeting every and any DUer they think they can bring down.
840high
(17,196 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)Gore1FL
(21,029 posts)They all seemed like questionable hides to me.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)astounding.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)when garbage like this is posted time and again.
The desperation of Camp Weathervane is getting actually sickening.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)WHY CANT YOU SUPPORT THE CANDIDATE OF TEH SERIOUS PEOPLE?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Like, now
merrily
(45,251 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Neighhh!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thanks for making me laugh, Warren. Not an easy thing to do today.
merrily
(45,251 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)that their so called concern about Bernie on racial issues is the worst kind of bullshit
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Something to think about when DU donation time comes: where is that money going?
I still miss NYC_SKP
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Not if you use AdBlocker.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Unfortunately I cant see that happening when DU's owner has already endorsed Hillary.
I thought that was a bad move, one that just empowered the worst kinds of Hillary supporters because they are assuming their actions will be protected.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)as they are. I do not ever want to be associated with them in any way, in the same way I never want to be associated with republicans.
If Bernie is not nominated, the very next day I will be disavowing the Democratic party, and will become an Independent.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)they can push us to the breaking point with such things that we get banned for not taking the loyalty oath.
I think we can all take comfort in the fact that we aren't so fucked up here on DU that we have to make plans on a different website on how to get loyal DUers banned.
I don't discuss DU business anywhere other than on DU, because I don't have to.
Apparently, some have to because they know it will result in getting banned.
And BASTA! indeed.
I think we've all had enough.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)I swear, I can smell it over here!
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It reeks of humor.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Did you ever get that odd feeling that someone was almost like a caricature of enthusiasm for Obama? Like they were acting like what they think Obama's supporters are like?
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)It is revolting but true that there is a subset here that will say anything to "win." It sickens me to my core but it is true.
Yes, there are supporters on Bernie's side that engage in a bit of hyperbole and get a bit over the top in their outrage. But the calculated kind of hasty generalizations and sickening attacks tend to come from another quarter.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Then a year from now they'll tell us how we have to vote for her.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Most of the PUMA's were republican plants trying to stir shit up. But yeah, there were a very few of them trolling about that weren't magical pop-up posters.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Hillary conceded. Would not even admit that when it became numerically impossible for her to win the primary. She even went gushy for Dimson.
Originally, the board had been for all political viewpoints. After she went PUMA, though, she started banning Obama supporters left and right, then all Democrats. Finally, she closed her board to viewers so no one could even read what she and the remaining wingers were saying.
Because of that experience, I never doubted the existence of actual PUMAs. I saw her morph from liberal to PUMA before my very eyes.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I knew that there were some possible PUMA but I would still suggest that this person was probably more the exception than the rule.
But wow, is that one ever sad.
merrily
(45,251 posts)2008 Democration National Convention
WillyT
(72,631 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)Froma was featured on the Daily Show once.
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/slfmox/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-civil-disservice
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I don't even know where to start.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)The best part is that she lacks the self-awareness to see it,
or that the nation was laughing at her stupidity.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)I loved it when JO walked around the chair and sat back down. Oh, my sister!
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cali
(114,904 posts)Response to cali (Reply #47)
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morningfog
(18,115 posts)Response to morningfog (Reply #52)
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merrily
(45,251 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)You can post in the thread???
Autumn
(44,748 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)On Duck Dynasty:
"Try as I might, I cant hate Duck Dynasty. The show is not without wit, though one helping is all you need. A&E overreacted to Phil Robertsons stupid and gross remarks on homosexuality, IMHO."
And on Obama's Iran deal, and do read the whole piece:
"It's profoundly worrying that Obama can shrug off the abundant evidence that the Iranian regime is in the grip of dangerous illusions about Jewish power and Jewish evil, and casually compare it to the kind of anti-Semitism found in modern-day Europe and America.
It's also morally offensive. The mullahs' anti-Semitism, along with their threats, should be enough to cause Obama, or any decent person, to recoil in disgust. Instead, he has made it the cause of his second term to reach a rapprochement with Iran. He has invited the regime to take the "path" he's offering to become "a very successful regional power."
http://www.creators.com/opinion/mona-charen/obama-not-offended-enough-by-anti-semitism.html
cali
(114,904 posts)So gay bashing is something we shouldn't "overreact" to. She is vile.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)Not as bold and spicy as how the Klan serves it up, but more subtle, so you have to know what you're tasting. And this is whose column Hillary supporters are holding up against Bernie? Is the desperation so high that they're using a racist--to slam Bernie as racist? Says a great deal to me, and none of it complimentary.
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Well played!
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)but this looks even worse than that primary.
Racism and anti-semitism rolled in one!
Disgusting that people, who support this
kind of thing call themselves democrats.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)the republican male who is a drug war, family values, anti-gay champion while getting caught snorting lines of coke off of a gay, underaged hooker's belly while his wife stands supportively by during the apologetic non-apology.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Maybe I'm just blind, but I couldn't find it. So I don't know what you're talking about.
What really frustrates me is that everyone else seems to know what's going on except me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I'm surprised the Denver Post would accept such shoddy work.
And of course Hillary supporters would leap on it like flies on horse apples. A few days ago I tried to talk older-woman to older-woman with the OP poster but she wouldn't even reply to me. Am starting to think most Hillary supporters are lacking just about every trait that is admirable in a human being. No wonder they support her; she's on their level.
I appreciate your helping me out. Guess I'm just not up on everything that happens around here. Sigh.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I lost a lot of respect for DUers I thought I knew and that sucks.
senz
(11,945 posts)even when it hurts.
But -- when assessing people, we do need to keep in mind that anyone can have good days and bad days and sometimes people do change.
Alright enough of that.
Eko
(7,170 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Eko
(7,170 posts)calling each other racist. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251616614#post18 Not cool.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's a matter of public record.
Eko
(7,170 posts)If she did then why would President Obama have her as Secretary of State? You are free to provide examples to me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Eko
(7,170 posts)between Geraldine Ferraro saying something mildly racist and then stepping down from the campaign because of it and Clinton running a racist campaign. If you could show that Clinton told her to say that then your point would be much stronger. Does this "Earlier in the campaign, Bill Shaheen, a Clinton campaign co-chairman in New Hampshire, stepped aside after making remarks about Obama's past drug use. The Clinton campaign also fired Iowa staffers who forwarded e-mails with false rumors that Obama is a Muslim. " sound like somebody running a racist campaign?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4435376&page=1
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm not buying what you're selling so go find someone too stupid to know what they saw.
Eko
(7,170 posts)it evens blames a SNL skit on her. Wow.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But for others who are reading this exchange and know we're not making up shit about the Clintons in 2008:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/04/468408/--UPDATE-w-campaign-response-Hillary-s-ad-debate-footage-doctored-to-make-Obama-blacker
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/opinion/11patterson.html?ex=1205899200&en=095cfdd6f358026f&ei=5070&emc=eta1&_r=0
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/28/AR2008012802336.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/03/axelrod-clinton-campaign-has-insidious-pattern-on-race-other-attacks-006919
Eko
(7,170 posts)I never said that is all I saw, but I did see that.
Eko
(7,170 posts)to say that Sanders is not racist and anyone who does so is wrong. You can insinuate what you want about me, I don't care.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Eko
(7,170 posts)then use opinion articles, a video darkened like all campaign ones are, and a person who said something wrong then left the campaign for it, does not make it true at all. Sagan would not be proud.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Carl Sagan was great at calling out bullshit so I think he'd be just fine with me doing the same to people who deny facts and ignore overwhelming evidence.
Eko
(7,170 posts)Still disagree that she ran a racist campaign although that point is the best one you have come up with yet for making that case. I think your stance has more weight than before though.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I gave up on you an hour ago.
Eko
(7,170 posts)You have your opinion and are not open to others discussing it, I get it. Now you are just posting things about our discussion to further your viewpoint while not being open to anything I say. Sagan would most definitely not be proud. So, cheers buddy.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Secondly DUers squirrel away links to use the next time someone tries to deny history.
I provide a public service.
Eko
(7,170 posts)Cheers buddy.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But keep showing your true colours, I won't be the only one who remembers this exchange.
Eko
(7,170 posts)things about me (post 189) but whatever. Here are my true colors, I apologize for offending you with the Buddy comment. You wont be the only one remembering this exchange, since there are two of us I can say two people will for sure just because we were both in it. So, Have a nice night and I actually mean that.
Cheers, (is that alright, can I say that?)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Like I said, I can't convince you so I won't try anymore.
Peace out, Eko.
Eko
(7,170 posts)I do the same thing sometimes. Maybe we just have different standards of evidence? I will also apologize for the Sagan comments, glad that you like him, he is cool. Like I said you did move me more towards your point, so there is that. I'm not stubborn no matter what, lol.
Peace also.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)can link to the reaction if you like. There really isn't any doubt about it.
This time, they started again, playing the race card. It was not Sanders or his surrogates or supporters who started this nasty race-baiting, but we will respond to the lies, something they didn't expect to happen so forcefully. We've all learned that when Super Pacs and political operatives start smear campaigns, the worse thing that can be done is to ignore them.
That isn't going to happen in this campaign. They want to play dirty politics they can expect to be thoroughly exposed and if possible with enough investigative journalists paying attention this time, we can actually find out who is behind each one of them.
It's their choice, Sanders wants a campaign on the ISSUES and so do the American people.
But if they don't, if attempting to smear their opponents is what they want, then they better not whine when they face exposure.
Hillary can send her supporters a message, as O'Malley did when a Super Pac attacked Bernie on his behalf. He condemned and made it clear it was done without his permission.
Hillary hasn't done that, so whether or not she is actually involved isn't the issue. She KNOWS what her Super Pacs and supporters have been doing and she has remained silent about it.
I respect O'Malley for acting quickly to stop anyone engaging in smears on his behalf and since then there has been nothing more like that.
It's up to her to end it. If she doesn't she owns it. But the American people are sick to death of this nasty game of smearing opponents and distracting from the issues. And if they don't like people talking about, Brock eg, who thought he keep his ID secret, then it's simple, don't do it.
senz
(11,945 posts)keep your enemies even closer."
It is highly likely that anyone as obsessed as she was would have worked single-mindedly from 2009-2012 to undermine everything he did and then launch a challenge to his re-election. Giving her a job like that would hopefully keep her too busy.
And...I never got the impression that those two ever liked each other. Ever.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Response to Eko (Reply #156)
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)More than once.
It's not just DUers who noticed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Eko
(7,170 posts)where Olberman said she ran a racist campaign. Even the Obama campaign had blunders.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Check out this little doozie (not DUzy) for sheer brass-eared awfulness:
Contemptible beyond words.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)why, by the end of the 2008 campaign, I could not stand Hillary.
I don't see how anyone can support her.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)So incredibly sad that this is what is happening to our party.
senz
(11,945 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Good find.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)it is embarrassing for me as a Democrat that McCain won the
"most decent" award between those two exchanges.
Eko
(7,170 posts)and you want to focus on the "as far as I know".
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Eko
(7,170 posts)on an op calling out someone for insinuating Sanders is a racist and people here are doing the same thing to Clinton.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You can live in denial if it suits you but that's a matter of record, hell it's even on Wikipedia.
Eko
(7,170 posts)between insinuating she is racist and saying she ran a racist campaign. I still disagree that you have shown that she did run a racist campaign, were there comments made by people on her campaign that could be called racist, sure. Did these people stay on the campaign after saying these things? No. Some left, some were fired.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/04/468408/--UPDATE-w-campaign-response-Hillary-s-ad-debate-footage-doctored-to-make-Obama-blacker
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/opinion/11patterson.html?ex=1205899200&en=095cfdd6f358026f&ei=5070&emc=eta1&_r=0
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/28/AR2008012802336.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/03/axelrod-clinton-campaign-has-insidious-pattern-on-race-other-attacks-006919
Ignorance may be bliss but when it comes to racism I wish it was painful.
Eko
(7,170 posts)So a video was darker than others, that never happens in campaign videos.
The second one is an opinion page from the new york times, an opinion page.
The third one is also an opinion page.
The fourth one is about Ferraro, which Ive addressed as in she left the campaign over those remarks.
Sure, its a MATTER OF RECORD, pretty sure I can find things like that against any candidate and then claim IT'S A MATTER OF RECORD. Two opinion pages, a darkened video which happens in just about any campaign video and someone who made a mildly racist statement then left the campaign over it do not equal a racist campaign. Dont forget the SNL skit either.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Don't worry about me, I love watching people defend and dismiss racist smears on DU.
Proceed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So spare me and save your outrage for the guilty parties.
Eko
(7,170 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Those threads about Bernie's race problem right before an announcement that Hillary will be meeting with some BLM people.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)New Reuters National Poll: Hillary 38%, Bernie 32%, Biden 15%
http://polling.reuters.com/#!response/TR131/type/smallest/filters/PARTY_ID_:1/dates/20150823-20150922/collapsed/false
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)even more certain. NRN used to be called Kos nation or something with his name in it, since he, supposedly, started it. IT was a Third Way construct designed to imitate Right Wing 'fellowships' etc, to 'reign in' dems/lefties. It was presented as so exciting that all those on the site at the time, could 'get to meet the front pagers, the 'girls' could buy a raffle ticket to win a lunch with one of the 'sexiest' front pagers. So exciting!
Politicians were invited, a Chocolate Fountain was the center piece of the big celebration provided by one of the Blue Dogs airc.
I wasn't there, wasn't interested, it seemed like a Corporate board meeting with the little people to let them what was expected of them, but they would have lots of fun etc etc
It didn't always work out the way they intended. The masses who attended were often rebellious with politicians, like Pelosi re prosecuting war criminals etc.
The name changed once they got it established using members of Daily Kos to do so. Then they renamed it.
Anything to do with kos means 'party operated' specifically Third Way.
Bernie was ambushed, lies were told about him, typical of that organization under kos. So the minute I saw it I knew it was intended. They've had some pretty nasty people at that site, pretending at first to be ordinary voters, later revealing they were political operatives, after they roped people in, then bashed, mostly the Left.
I'm not impressed with ambitious Sarah Palin fans from the far right but for political purposes anything goes it seems.
I wonder where they are now, last I saw they were bashing Simone Sanders.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Thanks. I think cali has been locked out of this thread. Can someone please point me in the right direction, thanks.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)In the real world, where I live, most people still do not even know who is Bernie Sanders.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So far so good.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)they want that to be the FIRST thing people think of when they hear his name.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)wear it as a badge of honor. The blacks I know and work with in real life are so very different from the PoC that post on here.
The Blacks I know do not like being called AA or PoC.
at. all. It pisses them off.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)to a Hillary supporter, I guess that's going to be posted here as something to get all worked up about regarding Hillary and her supporters.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)(on and off DU while doing real life stuff) to figure out what the heck was going on.
I did appreciate the link to the John Oliver interview. That gave me chuckle.
but, Yes the OP is misleading, I agree.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Fox News style spin can't change the facts, steven.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And that one goes around complaining about Bernie supporters being childish.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So many hypocrites in that camp.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Roflmao!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What is everyone complaining about?
STOP PICKING ON HILLARY'S SUPPORTERS?!!!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This kicked up to top of "My Posts" a couple of times with no responses after Hiraeth's. Looks like at least one of the folks on my ignore list posted responses.
Sorry whoever posted, I can't read what you wrote.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)NOT them in the arse down the road. Guaranteed.
Let them proceed. Things are very changed in this election cycle and what Used to work won't anymore.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I wish I was getting paid mileage.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)for the GOP most of all.
They continue to give thanks.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Your pity is irrelevant.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Thanks.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Last time it happened someone else caused it. This time, someone different is causing it, too.
They just can't get a handle on who it is that keeps causing the problems that crop up over and over again.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And with all the money TPTB have given her, you'd think HRH could afford to hire some people with brains, but it's clear she surrounds herself with nothing but butt-kissers, sycophants and acolytes who tell her only what she wants to hear.
geek75
(102 posts)It's unbelievable.
merrily
(45,251 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)as they possibly can in order to elicit responses from us that will get us hides and bannings.
They're certainly good at it; it must come naturally.
On the other hand, maybe this is just the way they are.
Wow -- when I think of how some of them pore over our threads looking for little phrases which they then post to show all the terrible things we say about their candidate .... honestly, the hypocrisy.
I hope what's-her-name loses worse than she ever thought possible. And all her supporters go into rehab.
And everyone lives happily ever after.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I have not picked a candidate. I don't know how anyone with a straight face can say Sanders is a racist. That's ridiculous.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)A smear job Swiftboat attack on Sanders. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)There are death panels: The insurance industry runs them
Death panels? Ill tell you about death panels. My husband faced one some years ago, and it didnt involve any government bureaucrat. It was run by our private insurer, the sort of corporate entity that foes of health-care reform say will give you anything you want.
My husband was diagnosed with liver cancer. We were insured by United Healthcare. The deal was as follows: You had to use doctors on its list, but if you needed specialized care outside the network, Uniteds health-maintenance organization would pay for it. Fair enough.
.
.
.
By the way, a government-run program doesnt tell you what treatments you may or may not have. It tells you what the taxpayers will subsidize. You are free to go out with your own money and buy whatever you want. We would have been prepared to do that. Instead, we got tied up in a private insurers web of tricks.
Believe me, death panels already exist, and they have nothing to do with the government.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sorry, can't read the post.
senz
(11,945 posts)So you are the nice man who was speaking on Fox and Friends? And your husband died of liver cancer? And you are a Hillary supporter?
Well, you speak well and seem likable. I'm very sorry for your loss, a very, very painful thing you both went through, and it is so hard to go on after a loss like that. My most long-time best friend was a wonderful gay man who died of a heart attack ten years ago, and I'll never stop missing him. The world is just not the same without him, and when I die I hope to connect with his sweet soul again, if that is possible. He was a devout Catholic, with certain reservations after coming out, but I know he would have been keenly interested in the news of the Pope's visit, and so I've been thinking of him all day.
But I can't understand why you're backing Hillary when she only became enlightened on LGBT issues fairly recently after it was politically acceptable to do so, while Bernie has always favored complete equality for LGBTs. She's a fair-weather friend who cares mainly -- or even solely -- for herself. Bernie has been in your corner from the get-go. He wouldn't sell you out for political advantage.
Or maybe you chose her because you think she's the only Democrat who can win? Or some other reason? It just seems puzzling...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I am not LGBT but I am a strong LGBT ally.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I can't keep up with work, volunteering (still haven't finished my donation to Sanders tonight, and that's after clean water action in Pennsylvania because our fucking General ASSembly votes to flush fracking water with acid mine drainage water.
I want to scream when I "catch up" to stuff like this.
I'm supposed to be reaching across to HRC people here, but honest to Peter Paul and Mary
RandySF
(57,612 posts)Calling Sanders a racist bears no resemblance to the truth.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)Should not come as a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention to election tactics since Atwater wrote the book on smear campaigns.
It is only going to get worse.
merrily
(45,251 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)or at least someone who looks or is Arabic.
I'm the mother of a 16 year old son with a Muslim Arabic name.
I came to my Mom's home to pick my kids up after work - because I'm lucky like that. My Mom picks my kids up from school and watches them during the summer - and moved my son over from my Mom's computer to type in the story about Ahmed Mohamed so he could see why his white Mamma worries so much.
I remember what Hillary said and did.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)been asked to serves on juries in which people complained that they were being unfairly attacked by people using words a lot less extreme than these. I am guessing that this person you are talking about does not post on DU and that makes it OK.
I do not alert, btw. Grown ups settle their own differences.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Then Senator Obama the "appealing only because he is an 'exotic' candidate" yes, I think it is fair to call them a racist. Maybe not a piece of shit, because that isn't polite, but racist?
"appealing because he is 'exotic' " and not because he was an accomplished scholar, lawyer and Senator, but strictly because he was 'exotic'?
Uh, yeah. That's racist bullshit.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)In reflection of seeing the people that made such posts on another site looks like a PROJECTION.
PROJECTION. PROJECTION.
God, no wonder they fought so hard to push that meme, even as recent as today.
Note: If you wonder why you have absolutely no credibility or traction when you call Bernie Sanders or his supporters obnoxious racists, it's because your posse exposed themselves to be both. When you warp reality with so much deceit that you cast the person defending the oppressed as the oppressor, and the tellers of truth to be liars, you are not doing your candidate any favors.
You sure as hell aren't doing Democracy any favors.
Furthermore, you are certainly NOT doing our site, Democratic Underground any favors.
I'm ashamed of the lot of you that participated in antisemitic rants, cooked up ways to cast people as racists, and generally said some of the most vile things about people on this board imaginable, while pretending to be our friends.
No wonder you have to go hide on another message board; your shit wouldn't be tolerated here, and you know it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Of course she's a Bernie supporter, so the victim card won't be played for the next year.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)knowing they are stalking her. Thank you Cali for your much needed, informational posts.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)over the OP about a member on vacation with 5 hides that featured a picture of Christ on the cross.
Right?
Autumn
(44,748 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Just a bit over the top.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)that is batshit
arcane1
(38,613 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Get off the cross, someone needs the wood!
Autumn
(44,748 posts)On a trailer hitch.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I think that one... That one's going in a fucking folder.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Yup, folder material for sure.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)AND... he was the PoC calling other PoC "outliers" just because they didn't agree with him.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)at least three folks who voted to hide Cali's post were probably Bernie supporters.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)If a determined group with an agenda goes out of their way to synchronize their presence, and then one of them posts an alert, they will be disproportionately represented on the jury vs. how they would have been at another time. This dovetails into the concern over this other site.
And yes, that can work two ways. Any person can have that happen to them.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)to go after Sanders supporters.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)But I think many make the effort. Just my impression. And it could work both ways. It would take less organizing, maybe even merely knowing the "best" times, to know when to alert on a Sanders detractor.
And this relates to there sometimes being chains of alerts. It's as if some hope to "win the lottery" and hit just the right selection of jurors.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Glad to know that. Especially from someone who likes to grave dance.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)or trumad or Bain or any of the rest of the rabble that can't keep a civil tongue in their head, that's for sure.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The recs on this OP alone tell you all you need to know about how right she is when it comes to the disgusting double standard when it comes to racism on DU.
Hurry back cali, you will be missed.
We'll carry on and not let the liars continue to smear the good Senator with impunity.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)again? These hides are absolute BULLSHIT! Oh, I think we owe it to cali to keep this thread kicked for a LOOOONG time.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)there certainly has been a rotten smell around here for some time.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Just joking around to cover my shock at all this. And my disappointment cali will not be posting again for a while.
Thanks for illuminating, cali. Your light & insight will be sorely missed.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)You're great and the nasty cowards who have stalked alerted you don't deserve to lick your boots. Can't wait for you to be back.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Alert, alert, alert ........ someone's got some calluses. I feel bad for her because it never fails. Sad to see her gone, too.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not links, their true thoughts. Neither side has a monopoly on this issue nor should either side be lecturing on this issue.
merrily
(45,251 posts)[rey-siz-uh m]
Examples
Word Origin
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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marym625
(17,997 posts)It's been obvious, since the NRN in Arizona, from whence this tactic against Senator Sanders came.
I have always applauded Black Lives Matter, and I always will. I have always stated my full agreement that both Senator Sanders and Governor O'Malley really screwed up at the NRN in Arizona. However, the fact that NRN is funded and run by third way supporters has never been a question or in dispute. Anyone that ignores that fact is just making excuses for unfounded attacks that continue through today.
The constant belittling of Sanders supporters is a tactic used because attacking Sanders himself would backfire. It's a tactic that hasn't worked. So now they're going after the only candidate that is truly for the disenfranchised, the marginalized, the minorities, the unions and the 99%. While I have seen some less than bright, hell, some stupid responses from Sanders supporters regarding why people of color should vote for him, I have seen many, many more comments and replies from supporters of third way candidates about both Sanders and his supporters. All the while, third way candidate supporters completely ignoring facts that their candidate, just 7 short years ago, said some incredibly racist things. Ignoring completely that just last month, Hillary Clinton responded to a small Black Lives Matter contingent with, well, I'll just say a very dismissive attitude.
What has struck me as hypocritical, that no one seems to mention, is that many of the same people that are accusing Sanders and his supporters of being racist, and even more so, absolutely negating decades of Sanders work for equality, by saying things like, "so what if he marched with Dr. King; so what if he organized and was arrested for his work for integration, it is and was what he should have done and there was no risk for him" (as if breaking the law because he stood up for what he knows was right, wasn't a risk and, being arrested for it, means nothing) are the same people who dissed and bitched about Patricia Arquette's call for people of color and the LGBT community to stand with women. How is it a duty to stand up for what is right for one marginalized group but not for another?
By the way, I agree that it was what he should have done, it is what every single person should do and for all marginalized people. But negating people standing up for what is right is despicable. People have died doing something they may have been morally required to do but not legally. It's shameful and just so very sad to hear people dismissing things like that. You don't want to applaud it, fine, don't. But to say it means nothing is reprehensible.
We'll see more and more of this bullshit as more and more people support Senator Sanders, the only candidate that is truly for the disenfranchised, the marginalized, the minorities, the unions and the 99%. But it won't work. Senator Sanders is the only choice if we want to end the oligarchy, police state, we now live in.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I knew it would be adrenaline producing from the title. Then there's the twist and turns of the revelations of what is being posted by who at another site, and then another jolt as that site gets hidden from view (for non-members).
Just when you think the ride is nearly over, one last descent, the steepest of all, as we discover cali received a time-out derived from having five posts hidden by jury decision.
Well, the rules are the rules, it's an opportunity to apply time elsewhere and hopefully we'll see cali back here as soon as the time-out expires. Looking forward to that day.
P.S. I'm searching the TOS, etc, but I'm not finding the time-out period mentioned. (Plus the need to update the info on how many members serve on a jury) I'd appreciate someone in the know posting that info. Thanks in advance!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Your posting privileges are suspended so long as you have five hides on your "record." When the oldest one is cleared, your privileges are reinstated.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)So if one's five hidden posts were spread out over several months, the time-out won't be very long. If the hidden posts all happened during, say, a rancorous week. then one will be on vacation for close to twelve weeks.
Nitram
(22,663 posts)But at some point in the discussion, a Bernista begins painting Clinton as Nixonian. Ironic, no?
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)And in an OP.
If a horrible source is used in an attempt to diminish Secretary Clinton then, by all means, call attention to that.
senz
(11,945 posts)Categorical error in your comment. Nixon was a person, "racist" is an attribute. Nixon had many attributes, some okay, many bad. Some of his less admirable traits were secrecy, enemies lists, distaste for democracy -- all of which, it can be argued, belong also to Hillary. I believe the commenter found other resemblances, and it should be noted that this commenter has read several books on Nixon.
So, no, there is no irony. It's not just a matter of "saying bad things" about a candidate. There is a truth factor to consider.
Nitram
(22,663 posts)Regarding "the truth factor to consider", I'd say you have an enormous blind spot when it comes to Clinton. Perhaps most obviously, the statement that Clinton has a "distaste for democracy" is patently false. I get the feeling your fallacy is believing what you think is true while what other people say is false if it contradicts your belief.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Good luck with that.
Nitram
(22,663 posts)On a discussion of an article about Sanders. You rhetoric is getting really ugly.
senz
(11,945 posts)because you're a good person and we need you.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Cali, we'll still be here when you get back!
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cali has ALWAYS supported Bernie, he's her Senator.
You've got some nerve, you're basically calling her a liar since she told you she supported him.
Come back ASAP, cali, you are needed here.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
so we have a racist piece of shit being posted because she calls Bernie a racist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251616648
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Ain't we got fun
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 24, 2015, 03:48 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ain't we got fun alerting after over 400 replies...
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The Op is a bit obnoxious, but nothing out of the ordinary. Even the person who alerted only wrote "Ain't we got fun," which was less than helpful in determining the reason for alerting. It appears to be a frivolous alert.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I was juror no. 3
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Thin skins.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I would have an idea who to suspect of sending it ! lol
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Get out of my head!
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)sorry! I have that same bad habit of all lowercase that I have been trying my damndest to break so I notice it in others. It's lazyness imo. Anyway the wording of that alert sounds exactly like something that person would say. makes you go what in fuck was that?!?!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And Bernie's supporters are the ones trying to "silence" DUers?
I guess those 159 recs are making someone feel the Bern.
jfern
(5,204 posts)until this thread, where it's Cali, a Bernie supporter being alert stalked. Pretty obvious she hit a nerve in this thread so they're going after all her posts.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Two people had to go sit in the corner.
Unfortunately the jury that hid cali's post wasn't as fair.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cali is an asset to DU, she's here to fight for what she believes in.
Instead of debating her opponents want to silence her voice.
Pathetic double standard.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Had it not been for this OP!
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, but the recipients of the sunlight tend to hate it
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)since a DUer just got a hide in this thread for calling other DUers "cockroaches" while bragging about their website which is now known for its anti-Semitism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=618263
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hence I made sure not to disparage the sunlight recipients
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Vermin have feelings too.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Pathetic. And you're no better than they are for approving of this.
polly7
(20,582 posts)What a stupid alert.
yup.
polly7
(20,582 posts)for pissing off all the right-wing squatters in our midst.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Forgive them for they knoweth not what they have doneth.
A voice in the wilderness has been silenced and we are all the poorer for it.
Much love.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)I just took my first sip of coffee!
But I do miss Cali.
marym625
(17,997 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)You have outdone yourself. That was a twofer.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)The real credit belongs to a certain sanctimonious and unintentionally hilarious Democrat Since Birth.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)is no longer on time out.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)I think November 13.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)...
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I don't know much about Harrop, but she is way more than "in the tank" for Clinton. She is ga-ga, bonkers, insane for Clinton. Which is OK, except it causes her to write some pretty extreme things. She may not be helping. Some of what she writes could be used against Clinton to imply racial disharmony between Clinton and Obama. Harrop obviously resents Obama for taking advantage of his skin color in the campaign, and her loquacious support of Clinton may link her remarks to the candidate. Just as Bernie Sanders is having to answer for his supporters on Twitter, Hillary Clinton may have to explain Froma Harrop.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)They even go to her profile and figure out her exact return!! I just assumed she would be gone for awhile. I look forward to here return and I didnt even bother to calculate that from her hide dates! lol
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They got her again this week.
Every Bernie supporter should watch their back.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)November is to far away. anyway I don't care if i get timed out. I never start threads, i am lower profile and only post sporadically.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)i try to restrain myself, doesn't always work though.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)The idiot can't count higher than 10 so 90 is an impossible to grasp number for him.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Granted, MIRT can't do anything to long-time posters, but it's still creepy.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)For months we've been hearing how Bernie's supporters alert stalked and drove HC supporters off DU and here they are doing the same fucking thing.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Claim their 'opponents' (I thought we were on the same general side though...) are doing what they themselves are doing. We see right wingers do that all the time. It's second nature. And that's exactly what that gang of bullies is doing with many different attacks: supporters are mean... alert stalking... hate... blah blah blah... Whatever their attack is, that's exactly what they are doing themselves.
polly7
(20,582 posts)i guess DU needs a MIRT for MIRT.
senz
(11,945 posts)If I said what I'm thinking, I'd get a hide for sure.
What a nasty site that must be. Explains why it's populated by so many grudge-filled, unhappy people.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cali isn't the only one they want to shut up.
When they stop vilifying Bernie's supporters I will stop posting screenshots from that site.
senz
(11,945 posts)you, of all people, must be very, very careful. You spar relentlessly, you keep score, you know where the bodies are hidden, and you pay close attention to everything. Of course you make them squirm. Of course they'd like to get you. You cannot afford to give vent to perfectly justified feelings about them. You must reread everything before pressing Post.
I know you're smart and quick and adroit, bmus, but please be careful.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I've been at this a long time and I've got a few hides to spare. If I have to take them for the team, so be it.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and stings like a bee.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)And William769 (AKA Bill) says that he's really proud of this sewer.
You must be very proud.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=617905
246. Thank you and yes I am.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=617956
Jury: William769 admitted that he's the site admin.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=617171
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)On Sat Sep 26, 2015, 05:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Filthy nest of cowardly vipers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=623545
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
What a thoroughly disgusting post, talking about a DU'er who isn't even in the conversation. Nasty to the core.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 26, 2015, 06:17 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Too pissed to make a comment < ME :>
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hmm. The site in question has posts calling Sanders supporters "a bunch of ignorant white trailer trash idiots" and says "DU is a "perfect example" of what a BS Cult looks like." These comments aren't outliers; no one objects to them and many at that site support them. Members of that site were also planning how they would get certain DU members on a time out (and celebrating when they succeeded).
When this was pointed out, the response wasn't to tell people to stop posting that kind of stuff, but rather to their "Grumbles" forum - their most popular forum - from non-members (now it seems it doesn't even show up on the forum index like it did previously). If people want to recreate the Conservative Cave's Dumpster (IE, a bash DU forum), they can, but they shouldn't try to hide posts on DU calling them out for it.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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jfern
(5,204 posts)You are definitely a target of alert stalking.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)Now I have a better idea of what's going on around here.
I don't want to ignore anyone but it really helps when deciding who to put on that list of people a poster wouldn't want on their jury. Again, thanks.
I decided to come out for Bernie after hearing him on Charlie Rose where he just killed it. Rose can be a very annoying interviewer. He was badgering Sanders, interrupting and talking over him but still Bernie stayed on point and made Rose look like a yellow journalist.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Hides don't show up on transparency page until 5. Although he's on MIRT, so maybe he's able to see. It sounds like they volunteered for MIRT just to hit rid of Sanders supporters.
senz
(11,945 posts)Underhanded and malicious, too.
Gee what nice people!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)You have 3 hidden posts for example.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...is bragging about alert stalking cali. My oh my.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)The site we're currently posting on no longer as any credibility as a fairly managed discussion forum.
That's RimJob level behaviour.
Actually, no, it's slightly BELOW RimJob, he would have just finished the job and "zotted" the offender.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Silence implies consent I guess.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)announced that they supported HRC. All this is to be expected.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I suggest everyone be aware that your personal information now may up for grabs to some extent.
Behind the Aegis
(53,823 posts)MIRT does not have access to IP addresses, personal information, or email information. Skinner has even said all personal information for DU is kept on a different server to protect our personal information. Also, MIRT is almost exclusively concerned with new members only. It is rare a long-term member comes to our attention (it takes a 7-0 hide...since I have been on for this session, only three have appeared and all three were labeled "NMI" (Not (a) Malicious Intruder))., and even then the decision to ban that person is almost always turned over to the admins.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)(yes I'm aware that MIRT doesn't have access to member IPs so that part is wrong)
I ran a couple of small boards over the years and Gests IPs are logged even on cheap ones and can be accessed by admin(s). But good luck linking those IPs with a name on the web or here. They can always run a Whois but will only see an ISP in the results. However they are such amateurs that they wouldn't know how to find their own IPs anyway.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The host and admin of the HCS site himself used the MIRT forum to rally support to ban me over one 4:3 hide, not knowing I could read every word he was saying.
Many of the clique involved at the HCS site have been ringleaders of pogrom, including misusing their authority for years here.
Every resource at their disposal as members of MIRT is now being brought to bear - count on it.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 29, 2015, 11:47 AM - Edit history (2)
I was on a short while and decided it wasn't my thing, when a member who'd created a sock to get around a time-out was allowed back in, and during the same time I was on it - definitely was trying her hardest to get a long-term member banned. AA. FACT. I quit after arguing with her over it.
I was also targeted there and tried desperately to be kicked off by someone who now runs his own site. When that failed, he started a thread in HOF for sympathy with all sorts of made-up bullcrap but was exposed, eventually. FACT.
They're still at it ....... only operating from their MIRT satellite site now.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)Immediately, before he can do more harm to DUers.
jfern
(5,204 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I know they do but Jesus the hypocrisy coming from that camp is just ...
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The thread was about making GD a free for all zone, no hides... and they think WE are the ones who would start using all the slurs and name calling. Well we've seen who's doing that on their own little haterville.
[IMG][/IMG]
(note the hashtag in Ism's sig)
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Bravo.
She's got a lot of class.
I'm glad to see my opinion of her was not off-base in the least.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)MoveIt
(399 posts)Internet tough gals for Hillary! #nochickenshits
neverforget
(9,433 posts)website where they complain about DU. If they hate DU so fucking much, why don't they just leave? I think they just want to hear nothing but non-stop praise for Hillary and can't stand that not everyone agrees with them.
polly7
(20,582 posts)So pathetic it's almost funny, until you realize these are grown adults threatening people through a monitor.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)In thread after thread. She's like a teenager.
Actually, most of them are like teenagers. The same gossipy cliqueishness, the same bad manners, the same unselfconscious obsession with how people look instead of what they are, the same disinterest in anything that doesn't have any direct bearing on their own immediate gratification, the same inability to accept the consequences of their own silly rudeness, the same mangled labelling of things as "other" and "not other", the same tribalism, the same dribbly, weather-driven clouds of emo-spam passing for political analysis...
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Although I would say very young teenagers, like 12-13 years old.
Excellent analysis/summary, sibelian.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Absolutely inescapably egomaniacs.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Chickenshits? Irony is not dead.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It still shocked me to read that, though.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)When contempt runs that deep, it's time for a break from the internets.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)It's the kind of thing that in all honesty, I think requires some kind of therapy because there is no way that kind of mental attitude doesn't bleed into other realms of her life. Work, family, treatment of pets... Who knows.
I mean what does she even mean>? That she wants to hurt me and Cali or scare us, revealing us as cowards?
It's just crazy and, if she knew who I was, I would even suggest dangerous.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Them calling DUers "unstable". A goddam psychology major would have enough material to write a thesis by reading that cesspool for an hour. Thems some seriously disturbed and unhinged folks....lots of bile and hatred, like rightwingers.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Everything they've ever claimed Bernie/his supporters do/are, is exactly what they are doing over in Haterville.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)would be excellent meat for a master's thesis.
I half-jokingly mentioned Jim Jones upthread. The more I see from over there the less of a joke and more germane that reference becomes.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)It's the same psych profile that can be seen in the RW Militia types.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Wow...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)How is that okay?
We have a Malicious Intruder serving on the Malicious Intruder Removal Team.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #584)
polly7 This message was self-deleted by its author.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Yes, they've been after cali for a long, long time.
What a bunch of horseshit!!!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Why are they allowed to do the same damn thing as the cavers but with their DU names known and not be banned? Disgusting.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)alert-stalking-organizing sites make DU suck.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)While the Dems were busy fighting the Repubs, the Corporatists snuck in disguising themselves by claiming to be 'progressives', and took over. But they serve the same masters as the Republicans. Time to remove the cancer.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people don't think like these deceivers, but I am so glad we know what the problem was/is because until we did we could not deal with it.
Things are changing rapidly. And they are reacting as expected, desperate but exposing themselves. That's what we need.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)This up once a day at minimum until Cali is back
Skinner take the garbage out in mirt please?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I've seen bitching and complaining by Clinton supporters about others using right-wing talking points, yet this person clearly is someone who hated Obama and feels the same about Sanders. Yet Campweather Vain can't see the hypocrisy.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Was it really worth hiding cali, boys and girls?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Poor Scrat has a single-minded drive to get that one damn acorn, no matter how badly he gets mangled, the damage he causes to the landscape, or the fact he never actually gets the satisfaction.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Sociopaths are like that.
TM99
(8,352 posts)this racist POS Froma Harrup needs to be exposed for the Clinton hack that she is!
Come back soon Cali!
sibelian
(7,804 posts)la la laaaaa...
MoveIt
(399 posts)because those nasty fucks are now gloating here about their shitty hate site.
senz
(11,945 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for any office.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)These cowards silenced Cali. We must keep the thread alive.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Here ya go:
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=615
I'll copy and paste it because: 1) it'll probably disappear any time now; and 2) that way nobody has to give that cesspool additional clicks...
Quote
Post by Bravenak » Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:45 pm
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_28 ... ie-sanders
I found this opinion piece and thought I'd share.
And this person is on time out for abusive behavior until late October, so she got surrogates to post it here for her. Smearing flamebait. This is the sort of "contribution" to DU from this person.
Stumbling upon this brought the whole mess "full circle" for me, I thought some others might find it interesting to see the source of it too.
MoveIt
(399 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)And for discovered truths.
Cali, I hope you're having fun somewhere and will return refreshed and better than ever.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...and hope to see you back here soon.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)until her return!
historylovr
(1,557 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)It's really annoying when they use code words to get their message across, and then do a "wink, wink" to each other in a different thread or group.
They're not fooling anyone but themselves.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Might as well pin it to the top
TM99
(8,352 posts)Keep this in the light!
the racist organized-alert-stalkers off this site.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)a little gif candlelight vigil for a random person who got a temp ban from a random website on the intertubes...
this is what the world has come to LOL
polly7
(20,582 posts)A bit stalkery, creepy and obsessive, wouldn't you say? Especially when done and danced to by MIRT members on their own site where they can't be challenged for it. What has the world come to LOL
[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I wonder if they realize that's the whole point?
polly7
(20,582 posts)I don't think they realized it.
I'm still upset at that hide. Cali loves being here and talking about important issues, she brings so much to this site. I guess I'm missing their point as to why it was so important to get rid of her.
Sad.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)On Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:23 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I know, right?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=640992
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
It's really creepy and stalkerish to continually put up posts from another site to bad mouth MIRT volunteers who haven't done anything wrong and continue to do their jobs. Skinner has dealt with this, so continuing to harass DU'ers on this open board is inappropriate not to mention, stalkerish.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:30 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Give me a break.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: UGH.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
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polly7
(20,582 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the desperation grows
arcane1
(38,613 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:54 PM - Edit history (1)
Oops.
Actually ............ evening kick. I took some stuff for a headache, had a good sleep and thought I'd slept all night.
Whatever .......... kickety, kick.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)I figured out why hrh supporters are so sure of alert stalking
Its because they were doing it already
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)TheKentuckian
(24,934 posts)as they chased liberal folks off, now they feign the victim and try to spin that there are too many Sanders supporters and we have mobbed the system.
These nasty little game has been going on for years now while they fiercely opposed any limitations on their precious anti dialog device.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)For years it started in the BOG. They liked to say folks didn't post there because they were "haters" and loathed President Obama.
I would suggest the lack of posting said more about the prolific BOG posters then anything else.
Like most other LGTB posters I will NEVER forget the screaming during the Rick Warren imbroglio.
And my personal favorite was being told that, "You have enough rights."
Now a lot of them sport LGTB avatars. Ugh.
Miss you Cali.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)for Sunday morning.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)Seriously
WTF?
"He scores as an exotic who talks of barbershops and church socials"
MoveIt
(399 posts)Because you racists on that other site can go to hell!
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Never should have promised if we wasn't gonna do it
Oops! Double kick.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Hey Cali!
historylovr
(1,557 posts)Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)...
kath
(10,565 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)And cuz that other racist POS is still on the front page
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Can't wait for you to be back.
Autumn
(44,748 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Autumn
(44,748 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)who question the mental status of a majority of AA voters because of the democrat they support in the primary. Consistency and all. Please direct your same anger at them. Much to your chagrin, I won't hold my breath.
Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)...
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Response to cali (Original post)
Name removed Message auto-removed
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)NealK
(1,788 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)Looking forward to your return Cali!
Response to cali (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)We're thinking of you, cali, and looking forward to your return.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)[img][/img]
historylovr
(1,557 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I see this one is still alive...
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)She was alert stalked until she was silenced.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)postatomic
(1,771 posts)If I taught Psychology I'd use this thread in my classroom. I had a whole shit load of questions I was going to ask but decided against it, because I have serious doubts that I would get an honest answer.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)who should be coming back one of these days?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I realized I hadn't kicked this one in awhile. I hope it stays toward the top.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Response to cali (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
jfern
(5,204 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Meanwhile, the wars rage on at DU, and it's more clear than ever that the other side doesn't believe their own rhetoric. Reality slowly emerges, the truth comes into view.
We kept this thread alive the whole time!
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)for how it turns out.
Now how's that for "power?"
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)and an anonymous DU poster getting 5 or more hides.
Wanna help me out here?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)alert-stalked.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Indeed!
historylovr
(1,557 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Response to cali (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I laugh my ass off every time it gets kicked. Maybe it's just how dizzy the headline makes me.
Response to cali (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to cali (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)And who are the phonies