Spike Lee excited about Bernie

[Catherina]

We're not looking for an official endorsement here, but are there any candidates you're interested in?

-- I'm very intrigued by Bernie from Brooklyn. I want to get to know more about him. I'm excited about him.

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/interviews/a38191/spike-lee-chiraq-trump-bernie/

[zappaman]

1. Area Man Excited Friend Is Getting A Divorce

http://www.theonion.com/article/area-man-excited-friend-is-getting-divorced-1154

PASCO, WA—Jim Sterling, 31, reported Monday that he's excited to resume his friendship with his soon-to-be-divorced buddy Andy Freiburg.


Sterling stocks up on groceries in preparation for the arrival of the newly divorced Freiburg (below).
"Awesome," Sterling said, shortly after learning that Freiburg was divorcing Katie Burello, his wife of four years. "The Ster-Frei combo is back in action!"

Sterling and Freiburg became friends when they roomed together as freshmen at the University of Washington, and they remained friends after college, with Sterling serving as a groomsman at the couple's 2000 wedding. However, after Freiburg was married, Sterling said he and his friend rarely socialized without Burello present.

"Katie's all right, I guess," said Sterling, who has never been in a relationship for longer than three months. "But she really kept Andy on a tight leash. After the wedding, I only got to see Andy about once a month, and Katie almost always tagged along. And she'd always cut the night short with some excuse, like that she had to get up for work."

[Brother Buzz]

42. Talk about thin skinned!

On Thu Sep 24, 2015, 12:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Area Man Excited Friend Is Getting A Divorce
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=619073

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This Hillary supporter with blinders thinks it's funny to make fun of this important development regarding Bernie and African Americans. And they bash us? This is his contribution to the Clinton effort.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 24, 2015, 12:44 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Is there any way I can opt out of jury for GD Primary, Bernie, Hillary posts? These people are way too thin skinned and sometimes mean.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I fail to see a violation here. Alertist, get over your old self.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's childish, but if we start hiding childishness DU will become a ghost town.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation:

We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...



Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[JI7]

68. "important development"

[oasis]

69. That one's worth a triple chuckle

[Fawke Em]

73. I wouldn't have alerted on it.

That kind of stupidity is best ignored.

[Warren DeMontague]

96. Area man sends lame alert, is rebuked.

and, I think I'm in love with juror #7.

[sabrina 1]

242. Good jury result. I like to leave stuff like that because hiding it only causes people to go read it

Lol, otherwise as I did, most people just skip over it.

[Romulox]

48. Disgusting post. The Jury System is broken. nt

[zappaman]

54. I agree...can't believe one person voted to hide!

[Number23]

80. Thread winner. Sorry for the crappy prize

You actually made me laugh out loud.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. oh come on.

I support Sanders, but that was a silly alert.

[Romulox]

215. If I disrupted a thread about an AA supporting Hillary with inane irrelevancies, it would be alerted an hidden.

Come on yourself.

[Bobbie Jo]

219. No it wouldn't. nt

Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:13 PM - Edit history (1)

[artislife]

51. Why didn't he mention h if he had the chance?

Oh, for the love and basketball, The old boycould do the right thing if he thought she's gotta have it. Let's face it he's an inside man and maybe the best man to judge some crooklyn candidate. He could get on the bus for h and be part of lumiere and company 4 little girls and even girl 6 and make 'em happy.

But maybe he's heard tales from the hood, college kids in a school daze over tuition and thinks Malcolm X wasn't a freak to be wary of so called friends.

If you are going to have the blues, why not have mo better blues and don't get bamboozeled at 3 am or even in the 25th hour.

Maybe he wants to live in a sucker free city. Maybe he's hearing more and more about what Bernie has been saying and doing and checking it out for himself. He's independent like that.

[navarth]

61. wow, that was well put together.

showin' some Spike knowledge there. respecks.

[sabrina 1]

249. Lol!

[truedelphi]

251. Kudos for this post of yours.n/t

[haikugal]

256. Well done!

[sabrina 1]

147. Hey, Spike Lee like so many other AAs are finding Bernie to be 'very interesting' and are switching

from Hillary to Bernie because of his RECORD on Civil Rights.

Btw, what is your post about? Anything at all to do with the OP?

[Walk away]

217. So is Spike Lee geting a divorce or is it his friend?

And exactly why would anyone be interested?

[bettyellen]

226. LOL, this got an alert?

[Chitown Kev]

2. Bernie has that Brooklyn thang going on! Spike is for his homie.

Flatbush vs. Bed-Stuy, though...be careful with this one, lol...those type of bttles can get a wee bit testy, lol

Good on Spike Lee, though

[Catherina]

4. I think there's a bit more to it than hanging with a homie

[Chitown Kev]

5. I DO know this!

I mean, come on, I know that Spike Lee is pretty progressive politically, as well.

[Catherina]

7. I had no doubts you do n/t

[Bonobo]

3. One of many black people who would NEVER consider voting for Hillary.

My good friend, from Brooklyn's Bed-Stuy, said he would never consider her and never forget the racist shit she pulled in 2008.

[Catherina]

6. The racist shit from 2008 keeps popping up on my feeds.

8 years later, it's even worse than when we lived through it because the shock value is gone, only the filth of it remains. There's no redemption from that shit. Ever. Any minute now, I expect Bill to remind us that a few years ago, Bernie wouldn't have been able to get into his country club. After all, what's the stretch from Bill telling Ted Kennedy that "a few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags" to that?

It's sooooooooooooooooo great to see that the racism of Clinton's 2008 campaign is still here with the added disturbing bonus of anti-Semitic dog whistles this time around.

I have a very good memory of what happened here for 2008, and how many of Clinton's most fervent supporters pretended there was no racism when one of their own here told us to kiss her ass and go back to mopping her floors. They defended that shit as us being overly sensitive. Overly sensitive? WTF. The mods wouldn't even delete that shit or say squat to that vile racist poster. I had to PM Skinner directly about it and he promptly tossed that garbage out.

Never ever. The Clintons and their lame excuses for belonging to all-White country club are crossed off my list forever. They can kiss my Black ass.

[Bonobo]

8. Why don't you post that in the AA forum here?

Have Bernie supporters been pushed out there by the throng of white Hillary supporters that are carpet-bagging it there?

The way some people here are trying to pull the wool over the whole thing, trying to repaint a reality where there AREN'T loads of black people that remain disgusted by that shit...

It's not reality.

[Chitown Kev]

9. Not necessarily

Many of us in the AA forum do remember it..I know that I talk about it and I've seen oters in the AA forum here and in other places talk about...

Trust me...the AA community has not forgotten about it.

[Metric System]

10. Do you have proof to back up your claim that white Hillary supporters have taken over the AA forum?

I know I don't post there since I'm not African American and it should be a safe space.

[Bonobo]

11. Proof? It's not a legal case... But take a look.

Here's the methodology I propose. If I had enough time and cared enough, I would:

1. Try to figure out how many non-black people are posting there now

2. See if they were posting, say 6 months ago.

If my belief is correct, and I think it is, you would see many non-black people posting there that never had done so before.

[Chitown Kev]

12. OK, I'm black, a bit of a newbie and an undecided voter

put up or shut up with the accusations, esp. considering the alert stalking that has been going on over there.

[JustAnotherGen]

41. What I've learned from other black posters

Is that what they 'felt all along' is really truly there. I don't recall the stuff with Prop 8 - I think I was more directed at that time towards the religious right's influence and interference and not as involved with DU although I was a member . . .

But some have been here a long time - don't have that many posts - and feel the place is just hostile. IE They aren't 'good blacks' who go along to get along.

Some of the 'coming out of the shadows' in the AA Group has to do with the heavy handed approach by the Group Hosts. PM's say alot.

We have no fucks to give.


You do what you do in GD or GD Primaries, etc. etc. you are Gone. Good bye. It's the only safe space unless you are hopelessly devoted to Sanders or Clinton and even then - the alert stalking continues.

[Number23]

74. Don't you just LUURVE all of this focus and attention the AA forum has been receiving lately??!

Okay, yeah it's the AA forum and not AA ISSUES that are getting this group so excited but it's fascinating nonetheless.

One person a few days ago who apparently watches the AA forum closely but doesn't participate (and believe me that is not a situation that needs to change at all, imo) said that a "hero" of the AA forum called someone a traitor to their race. When I asked who the hero was and who/when they called someone a traitor and to please provide links, that person just mysteriously disappeared.

Starry Messenger and gollygee (both white, and Hillary and Sanders supporters respectively) have noted this curious phenomena where black people that talk about race issues here are called "race baiters" and "race naggers" and told that we are "playing the race card." And when WHITE people talk about it, they are then told to shut up because they "are not black." The AA forum has been alert stalked half to death and now some people are talking about how a group of white people have "taken it over" and that apparently, we need to be more pissed off and concerned with Hillary's comments in 2008 than Bernie's comments and almost as importantly, his LACK of comments in 2015.

So much focus, so much attention. Too bad most of it is on such unimportant, unadulterated foolishness. But I guess we aren't supposed to notice any of this.

[Warren DeMontague]

227. So you're telling us that 1/3 of the hosts of the AA forum are white, then.

that's interesting.

[Number23]

230. Says much more about who it's "interesting" to than about anything else.

And three of our hosts right now are white. Want to make sure your "report" is as accurate as possible.

[Warren DeMontague]

232. Okay, Half, then. Half the hosts of the African American group are white.

I do think it's a little weird, as a matter of fact.

The thing about "says more about who it's "interesting" to"- you mean me? Oh yes, like Garbo I'm a topic of endless fascination I realize, but what exactly does it say?

[Number23]

235. No, I don't find you or your observations interesting at all. And never have

If you find our hosting situation weird, great, or the wackiest most wonderful thing ever, my lack of interest still remains.

Anyone that thinks that a gay forum with straight hosts, that an AA forum with white hosts, that a feminist forum with male hosts on a DEMOCRATIC WEB SITE is terribly interesting or weird is definitely saying something. And none of it is good though it is also not surprising in the least.

[Warren DeMontague]

239. uh, yeah.

but the point you were arguing against, up there, was an assertion specifically that the AA group was being run by white people, was it not? In fact, you got sort of mad when that assertion was made, didn't you?

Seems to me that in the process of being indignant at such a suggestion, you've also sort of confirmed it.

If it doesn't matter, great. Honestly it's never occurred to me to post in the AA group, because (shocking reveal, I know!) I'm not, actually, African American. I would consider it a bit presumptuous to come in there, much less apply for a hosting gig.

We heard all sorts of stuff about BLM over the past several months- and rightly so, the protests around police brutality, furgeson, etc. have brought a whole bunch of important matters to the fore of the national dialogue- but let me ask you this, honestly- if you had a group of 6 people who were taking it upon themselves to be in chage of a #BlackLivesMatter protest, and half of them were white... how well would that go over?

And if the answer is "um, probably, not so well", does that mean that BLM is not progressive or enlightened or any of the rest of it?

So beyond that, why is it so unreasonable for someone to point out the same thing vis a vis an African American group on a DEMOCRATIC WEB SITE?



Lastly, you not finding me interesting. I'm positively heartbroken, let me tell you.

But I will muddle through, somehow.

[Number23]

241. I've confirmed that the AA forum is being run by white people? Is that seriously what you are

saying? Half of our BLACK hosts have been hounded off this damn board and you are now trying to come at me with this BULLSHIT about the AA forum being run by white people? Are you pissed that you are not one of them? Is this your audition?? I'll add your resume to the file and we'll be in touch soon. You go and sit by the phone. Make sure to hold your breath while you're at it.

I have not read a word of your bilge after that. I TRULY wish you would leave me and the AA forum the hell alone. ALL of us, black, white, Hispanic, Indian and everyone else that posts in there. If we don't meet your approval or you don't like use, NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. Leave us alone.

[Warren DeMontague]

245. Okay, well, when you get around to actually reading what I wrote, get back to me.

or don't, I don't care. I think this subthread speaks for itself.

[Number23]

246. It sure as hell does. You can believe that.

Nothing you write will be read by me. So you can just take that into account the next time you see my moniker and decide to come a'chasing with this type of idiocy that does nothing but speak volumes about who you are.

Save yourself the trouble. Leave me and the AA forum alone and stop worrying about what we talk about in there. We've done just fine in the fourteen years the group's been on this web site and your lack of participation there has not been missed in the least. And if you can tear yourself away from chasing after people that could not make it more clear they are not interested in ANYTHING you have to say about anything, we'd all be much obliged if you could spread the word to your pals.

[Warren DeMontague]

247. yes, I get it, you've extremely uninterested in what I have to say. You're not going to read it.

Gotcha.











Noooooot readin'.














Not one word.














Certainly not these words.
















Still not readin'?
















How about now?











Now?








Hey, what's down here?












Ah, just some more stuff you're not readin'.














































....It always cracks me up when someone goes "I'm not going waste my time reading your bilge water and furthermore yarg blarg blarg yarg oh and by the way yarg blarg". You just told me you're not going to bother reading what I say, why am I under any obligation to read what you've got to say?

I'm not.

'Nother thing I'm not obligated to do, though, is not express my opinion on stuff. It's a discussion board, hence ....discussion. You can always put me on ignore, of course.

[gollygee]

108. They call anybody who doesn't fangirl/fanboy all over Sanders a Clinton supporter

I'm voting for Sanders but I have a few times had people tell me they don't believe it. The belief seems to be that anyone who supports Sanders would never have any criticism at all. I like Sanders. I don't think he's perfect, I just think he's better than any of the other candidates, so he has my vote.

Why I've waded back into the GD cesspool today is anyone's guess. I will be so happy when the primaries are done.

[bettyellen]

225. Yep, and it has been like that since day one. If you don't hate Hillary and 90% of the Dem party...

you get called all sorts of shit. I have a few friends like that and I told them I'm glad they haven;t been knocking on doors, lol. Going to be hilarious for them to realize you can't just snap your fingers and destroy the party with one vote.

[sabrina 1]

253. No doubt you have some links to back up that nonsense? What 'shit' with a link please, have you been

called for not supporting Bernie. There's a whole site of Hillary supporters attacking anyone who doesn't support HER, but please show us anything comparable to what is being posted against people who don't support Hillary on that site.

Thanks, I'll be happy to link you to that site and all I can say is, thank the gods no Bernie supporter is part of anything like that.

[bettyellen]

254. last time someone gave you links you refused to look at them and contended that you'd never seen it,

So yeah, I'm going to fetch those links for you. Right after I bring you slippers and a sandwich.

[sabrina 1]

250. Then as a 'newbie' you wouldn't know that the Admins of the site have stated there is no alert

stalking going on. Just fyi. I take their word for it, no offense, rather than the word of someone who admits to being a 'newbie'.

[Chitown Kev]

260. I've been alert stalked myself

fyi..please don't respond to this post.

[Metric System]

13. So you're just making shit up. "If I had enough time and cared enough..." Seriously? YOU are the one

making the claim!

[Bonobo]

14. Yeah, I am.

And I stand by it.

[Ed Suspicious]

20. I stand with you - whatever that's worth.

[m-lekktor]

49. I agree with Bonobo.

There are more white Hillary supporters than AA posting in the AA group. Hell I have seen AAs claim only a few AAs remain because the others were driven off due to Obama criticism.

[JustAnotherGen]

88. That's a few years ago

The lack of being able to see Trayvon as a human being who did nothing wrong.
Ignoring Jordan.
Folks making excuses for the cop that murdered Tamir.
Jabs at Corey Booker.
Outrage over BLM and none for the First Lady.

We see what people are.

I'm not saying YOU. But yeah - there is a consensus there are a lot of polite bigots in our midst.

You know the type - Users and Manipulators.

Only good for when they want something from you.

Smile in your face - then tell everyone they had a black friend once.

The type.

[Ed Suspicious]

19. +1

Proof? Just take a look.

[JustAnotherGen]

21. Group Host in the African American Group

Right now we have a great thread started by YoungDemCa regarding the MASSIVE disparity in health care for black Americans.

We are fucked every time we walk into a doctors office. Seriously.

Yet - a 'newbie' to the group ONLY cares about Bernie - defending his honor. Election bullshit.

Not one rec for that post. Not one comment on it.

It's clear that MANY of the close to 30 Bernie supporters were booted out mostly by me, Number23 and possibly stellar in the past 6 weeks (usually only had about 2 or 4). With the exception of a few - we made pretty clear why. We asked people to stop. Gave warnings.

Every single one of those folks - well maybe 3 - I can think of.

Never posted in the Group.

They were just there to make us 'step off the sidewalk' and put us in our place.

Fuck em.

[artislife]

59. I read it (AA Health) and rec'ed it.

But for me, I know I have posted in two OPs, once to say not to be afraid to go to a Sanders rally and another OP that I didn't realize was in the AfA group but continued a thoughtline. None of my posts in the second OP was to bash or debate, but further agree.

I personally, as a Latina, feel it isn't my place to post. I go to read and learn or to nod my hand in agreement when it is a similar experience to my community or one that I know to be true of the AA community. I feel with my tagline, the first impression I would cause would be one of recoiling. This is very sad to me, as I loved the 2008 and 2012 elections because I got to hear and participate in many minority discussions--on other boards. We have a many more minorities in the Sanders group than is realized and the reaction I get from the the white (I assume) posters has been nothing short of welcoming and ready to listen. I love my Sanders posters. There have been a few here and there, but isn't that like life?

Intersectionality is more my style, but I wasn't raised in the Latino community. My Irish mother had a lot to do with that.

FWIW

[Number23]

91. The only people unwelcome in the AA forum are people that are hostile to black people

No matter what color they are.

There is a small group that are trying to pretend it has something to do with their support for certain candidates. AA is the only forum on this board with hosts who support ALL OF THE CANDIDATES. The forum is full of posters who support ALL OF THE CANDIDATES. If you don't feel "safe" in the AA forum, BETTER BELIEVE your choice of candidate is not the reason why but has more to do with how you have chosen to engage with other people.

We have black people, white people, bi-racial, multi-racial, people who live in other countries -- it is without a doubt the most interesting, diverse, and informed group on this board. So all of these crocodile tears from people who can't rush to K&R threads fast enough demeaning black causes, who have called black posters and black people who dare to questions Sanders' record "Lee Atwater attacks" from "race naggers" funded by "George Soros," people who thought it was uproariously hilarious when black attendees at Netroots Nation, black folks on Twitter and all over the Internet felt accosted by the supporters of ONE particular candidate, or who have never ONCE posted in that group despite the fact that we have been a presence on DU for over FOURTEEN YEARS and who only saw fit to darken our doorsteps lately for the sole reason to browbeat and harass black posters into supporting their candidate for president, will be given exactly the consideration and respect that they deserve.

[Walk away]

218. So many of the best posts in the AA group are in support of...

Martin O'Malley. He is not my candidate but because of the intelligent and realistic posts about him in AA, he is my second choice.
That's why I don't understand why Sanders supporters keep attacking the group. It doesn't make any sense. It seems as if the people running the group are just asking that everyone posting there just needs to respect them, their ideas and their choices.

[Number23]

220. That's all we've ever asked. And that's why it's THE best group on this web site

That's why I don't understand why Sanders supporters keep attacking the group. It doesn't make any sense.

Not one bit.

[Bonobo]

93. "MANY of the close to 30 Bernie supporters were booted out mostly by me, Number23 "

That's what I KNEW ti be the case.

You have jettisoned any pretense at this point.

Might as well change the name of the group.

[JustAnotherGen]

95. Why change it?

I'm an O'Malley supporter.

And it's only Sanders supporters who were :

Rude
Hostile
Arrogant
Basically called us uppity - that's code for negresses but not quite that word.
Insulted long term members of the group. Multiple times.
ALERT STALKED
Hen pecked
Nit picked
Nagged
Berated
Demeaned


Those are your people. When they join blacks in this century (instead of singing and marching in 1964) we might consider taking those users, manipulators and race naggers seriously.

Pssst jury - race naggers is fair game for language at DU. Used by white Bernie supporters doesn't get a hide. So be respectable and let it slide.

I tell no lies. There was NEVER pretense. The Bernie Supporters at DU are so used to everyone giving them a noun, a verb, he's a god - hearing/reading he's not one causes meltdowns on par with the average two year old.

[Bonobo]

104. Because it is being used as a surrogate Hillary Clinton group.

It's pretty obvious to some of us that are paying attention some white people, hitherto uninterested in AA, are happy to use black issues in order to score political points, and that the recent rush to the AA forum and the pro-Hillary posts that are increasing there are a reflection of the kind of political posturing that Hillary herself is so quick to do.

[Number23]

110. JAG is an O'MALLEY SUPPORTER. If AA forum -- a group which she is a host of -- were a Hillary

group, don't you think she would have noticed that a HELL of alot sooner than you would have??

I know this goes against everything you CLEARLY and so desperately need to believe about the AA forum and about black people but we are not going to stop questioning Sanders. In our forum, there are Hillary supporters, O'malley supporters, Sanders supporters and people that could not make it any more clear that they are undecided that are hosts and regular participants. If you look in that forum and see some pro-Hillary group, then that's on you. None of us cares in the least.

[Bonobo]

113. ~~HERE~~: An example of some of the open fair-handedness.

I'm sure there are many others. This took about 1 minute to find.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=27063


Exultant Democracy (6,417 posts)
21. So civil rights activism during the 60's doesn't count? Convenient for your argument but disgusting.
When he was asked to march he marched when he went to congress he voted the right way and vocally stood up against the Clintons when they were triangulating away our civil rights with atrocious justice system reforms.

"I'm okay with starting with...say the 80s or 90s forward, because I'm old, but I'm not THAT old. I'm interested in my lifetime, my children's lifetime etc. He's been in Washington long enough to leave a big footprint." We have a term for thinking like this it is called myopia, and it is nothing to be proud of. From your myopic point of view the majority of civil rights activist starting from before the nadir would be discounted, pretty fucking insulting to their memory in my opinion.

kwassa (20,034 posts)
34. Host warning: tone it down, or you will be blocked
This is a protected group, not a forum. This is your only warning.

Exultant Democracy (6,417 posts)
78. Do what you must to enforce your "bubble" I've been black on DU longer than most everyone here
I'll keep calling bullshit bullshit, got racist white DU on one side and insular nonsense in the only black forum. From where I see this places best days are long gone and the bullshit the is taken as common knowledge in this forum is heart breaking. Enjoy your group as it grows smaller everyday, just remember next time you complain about voices being silenced on DU.

[Number23]

118. What is your point?? Oh, are you Exultant Democracy's champion now. He's so lucky!

He was not blocked from the group. I made sure of that. Can your pals in the Sanders forum say that about anyone who dares to say something less than glowing about Sanders?

Again -- What's your point??

[Bonobo]

120. What was he warned for? That's my point.

Seriously, what was the warning for? Be specific.

[Number23]

121. Do the posters in the AA forum all look alike to you so much that you think that I am kwassa now?

[Bonobo]

124. That was a really stupid reply.

I showed evidence, probably one of many, about a marked tendency in the AA group to be pro-Hillary and threaten other viewpoints.

You asked "What is the point?"

I answered.

Suddenly you're telling me I think all black people look alike??

Pretty embarrassing shit.

[Number23]

126. You are DEMANDING that I tell you why ANOTHER HOST asked something of a black poster

The stupidity of your question, not my reply, is the real issue.

And there was nothing in the exchange with Exultant Democracy that was pro-Hillary. Again, this is the paranoia and terror of too many Sanders supporters that see ANY questioning or disagreement with him or his supporters as anti-Sanders.

J17 is a SANDERS SUPPORTER. She's the one that's got you rushing to wrap ExultantDemocracy in your arms because she dared to engage with him and correct something he said that was wrong. You could not have better exemplified and highlighted the bubble of this place and how hysterical some Sanders supporters are better than your entire participation in this thread. Sincerely, thank you for that.

[Bonobo]

128. I DEMANDED it? Like... foot on throat demand with a touch of "submit now"?

And you're accusing ME of paranoia?

Wait, I gotta stop laughing... Gonna break something... Ouch...

[Number23]

130. Yeah, I'd back away too if I were you at this point.

[Bonobo]

132. Back away, like ignoring that your hosting is threatening people that don't fawn over Clinton?

You asked my point.

I replied and showed evidence of threats to block people for what?

You ducked, cannot answer and accused me of thinking all black people look alike.

It's all there in this thread.

I'm not backing away.

I already showed an example of what I said. You ducked it.

[Number23]

133. You have done absolutely nothing but confirm the widely held suspicion that too many Sanders

supporters are desperate to live in a bubble where he is all knowing and all perfect and everyone that doesn't support him is evil or stupid.

You demanded, actually said "be specific," about why another host told another poster to tone it down. And said nothing -- what could you say??-- when I noted that not only could I not speak for that host, but the person who was warned was not only not banned from the group, but the person that you were so convinced was attacking that poster from a pro-Hillary stance was actually another Sanders supporter.

You have not shown anything else and if you think that you have, you can add that to the incredibly long list of things that you are wrong about.

[Bonobo]

135. If it was such a big nothing, why did you duck the question?

Go on and answer, but I hope it's not a rehash of the same comma-deprived "bubble" argument. **

**This is not a demand, nor a threat to submit while I place a foot on your throat. It is merely a typical message board comment.

[Number23]

136. Duck what question, why another host asked someone to tone it down??

Why you do keep asking me this stupid question? Why don't you PM this exchange to kwassa -- the host who actually asked the question -- and get him to weigh in?? I am genuinely confused why you think I can answer for another person.

And I noticed that you didn't answer my question which was, is the same attitude towards warnings extended to anyone who dares question Sanders in the Sanders forum?? I can count on one hand the number of posters blocked from AA that didn't get at least 2-3 warnings before it happened.

But the difference is, I don't really care that you ducked my question because I already know the answer. So does everyone else. And it doesn't matter anyway because the conversations we have in the AA forum are far more enlightening, enjoyable and REALITY BASED than anything I see in other parts of DU so I'm happy with my group. You?

[Bonobo]

137. So you equate being blocked on Sanders group for not supporting Sanders with being blocked on AA for

not supporting Clinton?

I rest my case.

As for Kwaasa and my question to you... I asked your opinion about hosting behavior in the AA group. If you feel the need to duck the question, I think it makes my point.

[Number23]

140. HE WAS NOT BLOCKED

You seem to be misunderstanding and confused with everything, including this idiotic assertion that I am "ducking" your insistence on asking me why someone else did something instead of asking the person who actually did the thing you are just so verklempt and agitated over.

Seriously, I want to thank you again for confirming every single thing that SO many people have been saying about the behavior of far too many Sanders supporters on Democratic Underground and in general. You seem incapable of understanding what's being said to you, you won't listen, and are belligerent about things that either don't matter in the least or that you are unable to understand because you are too busy arguing about absolutely nothing.

And the cherry on top is, you keep going when you should have very clearly stopped a long, LONG time ago. This entire conversation has been surreal in its ability to confirm what so many have been saying. For real, thanks.

[Bonobo]

145. You said thanks like 20 times already. You're welcome, ok? But I can see now I've upset you.

Which is sad because you SAID you were having so much fun. I'm sorry.

But even though he was not blocked, you gave yourself away above when YOU equated being blocked in the Sanders forum for not supporting Sanders with what? Threatening to block people in AA for... oh, right, I am not allowed to discuss with you what Kwaasa did which was to threaten a black man for not bowing to Clinton love...

You seem to think I have demonstrated your point. What actually happened though was that I demonstrated my point, with evidence. Sorry if that doesn't sit well.

[Number23]

151. You tell yourself whatever you think you need to say to convince yourself that you have come out of

this exchange looking good.

You have not upset me in the least. You've done nothing but confirm some things the whole world has known, judging by the endless, myriad articles and discussions over the Internet for the last four months and the denunciations from black activists, white progressives and progressive movements over this type of mess. So once again, thank you. And since I know you'll have to keep going, thank you for the NEXT post which will be even more confirmation and bolstering of a universally held opinion.

Sincerely.

[Bonobo]

156. That appears to be what you have done.

But seriously, you have already given enough thanks. It's more than enough.

[Fawke Em]

165. Well, he doesn't look bad.

All he asked was: why was that poster threatened with blocking? The post wasn't critical of AA people. It wasn't rude. It wasn't a violation of the board.

Maybe you don't know the answer since it wasn't you who asked the poster to tone it down, but that's all you needed to say: I don't know why that poster was threatened with blocking.

End of conversation.

[Number23]

166. I said that. But are things that desperate for you guys that point even had to be made??

[sabrina 1]

252. Lol, definitely embarrasssing. But hey, there are lots of AAs on this site who are not welcome in

that forum, in fact at least one AA woman, the OP, has been called a 'self hating Black'. Some pretty nasty stuff aimed at anyone, including AAs who are not on board with Hillary.

I go to the many minority sites online, have for years, if I want to know about minority viewpoints and what we see here on DU re minority opinion is so far removed from the real worldviews of thousands of minorities it explains why we have lost so many good AAs from this site.

[kwassa]

153. I'll respond to this, since you choose to misunderstand it.

I'm white, been active in the AA group for a decade, and am undecided, as I don't find any of the current Democratic candidates very appealing. I am also in an interracial marriage for the last 20 years and am a student of the issues.

The thread was entirely about the difference between a civil rights activist, and a civil rights supporter.

I had no idea Exultant Democracy was black, because despite being on this board since 2003, he has an extremely low post count for 12 years of membership. I have never encountered him before.

His comments were over the top and off the topic of the thread.

Bernie being an activist 50 years ago does not necessarily make him an activist now. It appears that some of Bernie's supporters are making an exaggerated claim for him, and we were attempting to parse that out. Bernie's civil rights support is recognized and valued, however.

[Bonobo]

155. I'll repost his "over the top" statement here. Maybe you can help me understand.

It SEEMS like you became offended because he was defending the right to call Sanders an activist. Maybe you can explain what was so over the top that he should have been threatened with being kicked off the AA group.

21. So civil rights activism during the 60's doesn't count? Convenient for your argument but disgusting.
When he was asked to march he marched when he went to congress he voted the right way and vocally stood up against the Clintons when they were triangulating away our civil rights with atrocious justice system reforms.

"I'm okay with starting with...say the 80s or 90s forward, because I'm old, but I'm not THAT old. I'm interested in my lifetime, my children's lifetime etc. He's been in Washington long enough to leave a big footprint." We have a term for thinking like this it is called myopia, and it is nothing to be proud of. From your myopic point of view the majority of civil rights activist starting from before the nadir would be discounted, pretty fucking insulting to their memory in my opinion.

[kwassa]

168. Calling this argument disgusting is over the top, and very off-topic.

You ignored the off-topic part. This is an important part when one is a host of a forum.

As Number 23 has pointed out to you, the AA group has been under attack for several weeks by people never seen in this forum before. Almost all the banned people have never posted there, before the past month. There was only a few people banned there historically before this recent spate of activity.

In terms of the basic argument, Bernie has not been an activist since the 1960s, when he was very much an activist. Should he still be called an activist, when he hasn't been one for fifty years?

My definition of an activist is someone on the protest lines, or organizing groups whose specific purpose is civil rights. A vote in Congress is as a supporter, not an activist.

Is a Congressman who votes in favor of civil rights an activist?

[Bonobo]

169. IOW, you threatened to block him from the group because you found his comment "off topic"?

I do not intend to engage in the argument about whether Senator Sanders should rightfully be called an activist.

I merely point out that the behavior you exhibited in threatening to block him, the brevity of your "no further warnings will be made" can only have a chilling effect on the sharing of different perspectives. And THAT is the point I am making vis a vis the AA forum and the way it is at THIS moment.

[kwassa]

173. No, because it was both off-topic and over the top.

He clearly didn't read the thread.

and, since you haven't followed AA, you have not known that all the hosts have adopted the one-warning approach, due to all the outside attacks on the group. We used to be much more generous. Not so much, now. You do not acknowledge those attacks or the current situation.

And I note that you have avoided the central argument about the point of the original thread, which now both you and Exultant Democracy missed. If you made this off-topic argument in AA, I would give one warning to you, too. Your motivation is entirely questionable.

[Bonobo]

175. Over the top? Really?

It certainly doesn't appear to be.

As for it being off-topic, you regularly block people for being what you consider to be off-topic? Or is it not more likely that that is being applied unfairly?

[Bonobo]

122. Got it. Hillary supporters = polite. Sanders upporters = bow down and submit

Nice to see you have an open mind.

[JustAnotherGen]

127. When was the last time you read back there?

You haven't.

Oh my god.

You haven't.

You havent seen the pack of rabid animals that descended on the group.

You are being fed this line of "we are oh so perfect and innocent bullshit" by your group.

You are soaring.

BRB - eta

The first six were prior to NRN. The others? Oh big old snorty laugh here.


Cross check the posts where:
1 they were asked to leave.
2. They didn't
3. Got friends to come in and pile on.
4. Came in to tell us silly negroes what's what.

Etc etc.

Only one I disagree with is notadmblonde (sp)

And yes -Manny no warning. Freely admit that.

Now look at your list of subscribers.

Pssst - we always had no more than five. Most got kicked off the site - think averagejoe90 - lots of posts but very much against blacks. NRN - 6 and beyond (again notadumblonde was there before and JD but we had complaints for a year) -

Ignored us. Paid attention - only to be Authoritarians.

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[Bonobo]

131. I admit I did not see the pack of wild animals. nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

207. I was not part of your conspiracy.

I got booted without warning. And I was not being over the top or off topic. Nor was I rude. But keep me on your list.

[haikugal]

257. Me too...ditto everything you said...

I don't think those words mean what she thinks.

[Luminous Animal]

199. "race nagger"… can you point out more than one Bernie supporter who used that term?

Because this Bernie supporter and many others, find it grossly offensive and believe that post should have been hidden and the poster flagged for review by the admins for a possible banning.

So, back to my original question. Was there more than one Bernie supporter who used that term as indicated in your post?

[bettyellen]

228. "many non-black people posting there that never had done so before." Foremost, yourself. LOL.

I think it's embarrassing that you go in there and try to bust up friendships just because YOU never noticed them.
Now that you want something, "some people" you ignored for years are suddenly on your radar. Transparent.

[Number23]

231. Girl, we know what's up and what's going on before these people do. These attempts to disrupt AA

ALWAYS get shot down and ignored. We don't have the slightest bit of time or interest in these johnny come latelys.

Like I said upthread, this forum has been here for FOURTEEN YEARS. We know who is interested in our issues and who wants to just come and unsuccessfully stir the pot.

And now we have this thread. Where suddenly it's "interesting" that we have white hosts, where I am expected to speak for myself, JAG and apparently kwassa because I guess all of us share neurons or something, and someone who is only allowed to post a few times a year because of his/her incessantly blazing transparency page is attempting to school somebody else on "respect."

This whole thing is like stepping into a Lewis Carroll novel it is so bizarre and unhinged. And so FUCKING hilarious.

[bettyellen]

237. For some lol, all your neurons look alike! Upset people were warned they would get booted?

Wow, I always thought that was pretty damned fair and respectful. Especially with the stalking going on. So weird. You know I stayed out of the AA forum for ages until I followed a link there. And immediately saw the largest group of people I like in one place. And interesting threads. It was too tempting to join in!
It pisses me off that people who hate me as much as they ever gave that forum a thought - that now coming in and trying to sow division. Because they want something. Totally clueless and transparent.

[bettyellen]

224. He's just upset his own OPs trying to be divisive in the AA forum weren't well received, LOL.

It did not occur to him that some people post there because they have known and got on well with the people there.
Trying to tell them who their friends and allies are, ha ha.

[Catherina]

15. You must be kidding

Scroll down to post 31 http://www.democraticunderground.com/11874079 and that's one of several examples.

I have no respect for neolibs and lovers of corporate America regardless of color. When the ties that bind are something as shallow as your skin color, rather than the content of character, count me out.

The lamest but persistent attacks to derail my threads about social justice, the surveillance state, not warring or exploiting POC around the world for profit, came from the AA forum. Why would I, as a "self-hating Black woman" waste my time with people who think that just because Obama and I have the same skin color, I'm duty-bound never to criticize him?

Let me give those people a hint. Papa Doc, who murdered many members of my family, was Black too, even Blacker than Obama. I am in no way duty-bound not to criticize someone when they're wrong. Especially when they're defending corporate America, Wall Street, staging coups like in Honduras, stealing elections in Haiti to keep the people slaving away in sweatshop factories (that be the Clintons), destroying entire countries inhabited by brothers and sisters of color like Libya and selling $60 Billion worth of weapons and clusterbombs to crucifying murderers like the Saudis who, with our weapons, pushed 6 million people to the brink of starvation and 10 million children in the *immediate needs* category at the UN.

There are quite a few of us who don't post there and refuse to. That number only increased when Black Bernie supporters were blocked from that forum by a White host and Clinton-supporters, who were some of the worse defenders of racism for 2008, swooped in as the new best friends. The loudest, most obnoxious voices there aren't even Black, or minorities even. Tell me again why I'd want to post there?

"Skin is thin but class will kick yo ass" - Amiri Baraka

[TM99]

30. Holy Hell!

I can not believe that I read that in the AA forum.

I usually respect that poster but that is flat out racism. First questioning whether you are black, and then suggesting you are a 'self-hating Black woman'? WTF?!

I suppose the irony and hypocrisy is lost on them. They will scream that Cornel West is a 'bad' man because he called Obama a 'n****rized black man', but they have the audacity to call you a 'self-loathing Black woman'.

Wow, you just can't make this shit up!

Back on topic, getting Spike Lee in Sanders corner will be a major win. He is a very well respected and influential African American.

[Catherina]

33. Oh there's more

I have loving brothers and sisters who who alerted me over the years.

Flat out racism. And yeah, the irony is totally lost

So let me repeat, why would I want to hang out in such an irony-challenged subforum?

I've been expecting Spike to weigh in and was so happy to see that today

[2banon]

46. Love me some Amiri Baraka..R.I.P.

[proverbialwisdom]

62. His son is Newark's current mayor, incidentally, following the tenure of a neolib (IMO). (nt)

[2banon]

66. Interesting! Excellent!

[artislife]

60. The sadness of group think.

Sorry, there is a lot of variety in the Latino community because of one's ethnic home. That is true for the AA community as well. Lots of AAs are from the Latino community, but just like in the Latino community, they are also squashed in the AA community. It is as if each large minority only gets one narrative to push instead of the thousands upon thousands of narratives that we all live.

Oh Catherina,

[Number23]

76. "Mon Aug 12, 2013"

[Bonobo]

106. OMG, that's 2 years ago!! Practically pre-historic!!!

Who can even remember what the earth was like 2 years ago, let alone DU?

Funny though that you should discount that accusation "I don't think you're even black, or if you are you are self-hating"

It's pretty fucking disgusting.

[Number23]

109. I didn't even see that accusation when I first looked at that two year old post

And contrary to what you seem to believe, I'm not anyone's mother on this board. I don't have to condemn or agree with anything said by a friend of mine here.

God knows if you were held to that standard and forced to condemn every thing said here by your pals, that's all you'd ever do here.

[Bonobo]

112. You don't have to condemn it but what's with the "ZOMG, it's 2 years old! smiley, smiley"

WTF was that supposed to mean if not to join in with support of the message?

[Number23]

116. I'm not surprised that someone who looks in the AA forum and sees some pro-Hillary group

would be so perplexed and befuddled by a comment that does nothing but acknowledge how old an OP was and decided that meant the person who made that comment was agreeing with everything said within that OP.

[Bonobo]

117. I think you need to look into using commas. nt

[Number23]

119. The most useful and intelligent thing you've said all thread.

[zappaman]

197. In case you didn't know...

Today is National Punctuation Day, so this post is the greatest post of the day!!!


http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-happy-national-punctuation-day-20140924-story.html

Been pretty much a party all day.

[Bonobo]

92. That's sick. I think it's one of the most hateful things to call someone "self-hating"...

What happened to calls for diversity of opinion?

I have really changed my mind about that person with that...

[azurnoir]

138. sacrificial weathervanes rule I guess

[azurnoir]

148. that's truly ugly

[840high]

171. Wow.

[BeanMusical]

210. Oh wow, I'm speechless.

What horrible things to say.

[Prism]

243. Self-hating black woman?

I'd never seen that before. That should've been an instant ban.

But, look. We all know that forum is a clubhouse where not every PoC is welcome. Always been thus. And frankly, given the number of names there who were deeply involved in harrassing DU's LGBT community, I frankly have no interest in participating. (I do read when the drama ramps up, though. Like watching a clown car hit an acid tanker).

You've proven yourself the better woman. I figure, let them hate. They're not having any fun at all no matter what they say. People having a good time don't rage like that.

[sabrina 1]

255. Our entire Foreign Policies are so racist, as are and have been all Imperial policies throughout

history, there is no way anyone can claim to support Minorities AND support our foreign invasions of African nations such as Libya eg, or our ME disastrous 'adventures' or as you pointed out 'Haiti'. I am so sorry Catherina, sorry that anyone on this forum would use such a nasty personal attack on you.

I read it with total disgust. But I'm glad you linked to it or I might not have believed we would see something like that here.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. The AA forum seems pretty quiet these days, as does HOF and the Hillary Clinton Group.

Just a handful of posts today, a handful yesterday...

I think everybody may be over at some other web site.

Weird how some of these special interest forums have become anti-Bernie/pro-Hillary ones.

[Ed Suspicious]

22. They've found greener pastures at hillaryiscool.com or somesortofshitlikethat.

[2banon]

65. thankyou for the chuckles..

pastures at hillaryiscool.com or somesortofshitlikethat.

[Brock Kentman]

72. They reopened that place!

[JustAnotherGen]

24. One is Intersection Focused

Nothing to do with Hillary at all.

[Number23]

78. AA is "special interest" and a post from over TWO YEARS ago proves that...something

This thread is a fucking riot. I am loving every second of this thread and I am really loving (though not the slightest bit surprised) by the folks jumping up and down now that they've been given a chance to attack AA.

[polly7]

141. Did you defend Catherina against that attack, and if not ....... did you do it here? nt.

[Number23]

142. No I did not. Did you defend her against that attack?

[polly7]

144. I didn't see it, or I would have.

You saw it posted here, and yet all you did was make light of it because it was 2 years ago.

Seems like your outrage over what you see as attacks is selective.

[Number23]

146. I saw an OP posted that I had posted in two years ago. I did not see the comment from JAG

about Catherina. And even if I had seen it then, I still would not have condemned it.

Like I mentioned upthread and apparently need to do so again, I'm not anyone's mother here. And if you guys had to apologize and condemn all the attacks here from your friends, well... that would be very time consuming.

[polly7]

152. Why wouldn't you have condemned it?

It's ugly and demeaning, I'd think that anyone who cares about human beings, period, wouldn't condone that. I'm no-one's mother here either, it doesn't mean I don't have a responsibility to care about people being hurt.

[Number23]

154. Because I would not have, and contrary to what you seem to believe, I don't HAVE to condemn anything

here unless I want to.

And yes, you do have a responsibility to care about people being hurt and judging by what I've seen of your posts, you could take that responsibility a bit more seriously.

Now, Ms Polly, you can keep wasting your time trying to prove some point, but I will not condemn what JAG said. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not the easily browbeaten type.

[polly7]

157. Yeah, no shit ........ none of us have to do anything here we don't want to.

For some of us, attacking another's very identity with cruel garbage like that is offensive and it's just in our nature to call it out.

Couldn't care less! about what you think of me or my posts .......... but nice switcheroo.

I'm not the browbeaten type either, just someone who can't stand hypocrisy.

[Number23]

158. "just someone who can't stand hypocrisy."

Ummm.. yeah.

So yeah, you've called this out. Hope you feel better now.

[polly7]

161. Ummmmm ........... yeah.

No, I feel bad, actually, Catherina had to see even see that - it was fucking horrible. But now that she's gotten a hide for defending herself - I hope you feel better now.

[Number23]

162. I couldn't care less about the OP's transparency page. And I had nothing to do with her hide

Seriously hoping that this pointless conversation and weak attempt at chastising is now done.

[polly7]

167. Chastising?

No. Just wondering why such an obvious attack against a person's identity wouldn't draw some anger from you.

Just laughter and minimizing ....... it seemed strange.

[Bonobo]

170. I hope your confusion is cleared up.

It's all out there right now. No need to even MAKE an argument.

The poster's behavior spells it out.

[polly7]

174. Yep, I'm pretty confident I know why there was no backlash then or now.

Saw it all here before when certain women were claiming to be speakers for us all, yet labeled those of us who don't think the way we're supposed to all sorts of ugly things ... or stood by and watched, laughing. It's just crap.

[Bonobo]

176. The pairing of "Women and people of color" happened first from those people.

Since then, the patronizing use of AA issues in the service of one candidate has accelerated tremendously.

[bettyellen]

238. Just because you have never noticed something... Doesn't mean that when you finally notice it....

It's the first time. Lol. It really surprises people that those with civil rights issues are allied? Wow.

[Number23]

178. My identity has been attacked here so many times I've lost count. And by people your crowd

has hyped up on their shoulders and paraded around this web site as bastions of liberal thought and opinion. DU posters whose posts get hundreds of recs. And not once have I seen you condemn that behavior and not once have I cared in the least.

So you and the poster who has made such an abundant spectacle of themselves upthread can continue to wail and weep while saying and doing nothing when the rest of us have been attacked repeatedly. Not one of us cares in the least or considers any of this little theater even the slightest bit genuine.

[polly7]

179. WHO is my crowd??

I have news for you, I have no crowd.

I don't pretend to be a part of any group here or even want to be, so knock yourself out with your fairy-tales. I read here and post items in GR I think people might be interested in. I comment on things I want to, I try to stand up for people I feel are being treated badly or bullied. Does it make your life easier to classify people into groups you can blame for one thing or another?

Who wailed and weeped and made a spectacle of themselves? Not sure wtf you're talking about.

Your 'little theater' is pathetic.

[Number23]

181. I do the same. But for some reason I am expected to "condemn" something said by another poster

as if I'm that person's mama or keeper.

So you stick to your non-crowd and I'll stick with mine. And if our paths never cross again, then that's just the cherry on top of the most delicious sundae ever.

[polly7]

182. LOL.

Who wailed and weeped and made a spectacle of themselves? You're awfully good at making vicious accusations then running ...

[Number23]

184. I haven't run anywhere. I'm right here, darling

"Vicious accusations?" Good gracious, that sounds serious! If only that had ever actually happened.

Still waiting on that delicious cherry on top of that scrumptious sundae.

[polly7]

188. Yes, it was vicious no matter who it was directed to.

What never happened? Do you not read your own posts?

[Number23]

190. Accusations of what against whom?

Are you posting in the right thread? To the right person??

The "your crowd" comment was an accusation? Or was it the bit where I said that the identities of black posters have been attacked on this web site forever and I've never seen you condemn that. And not only have I never seen you condemn that, I've never once cared that you didn't. Which bit is not true? Which bit is "vicious?"

[polly7]

192. Got my answer.

But thanks.

I don't visit the AA forum, so I don't comment there .......... obviously, and I haven't seen attacks on black posters here except for Catherina, and now that it's been pointed out, Brother Ivan (which I do remember seeing) - were those others recently? You were in the same thread Catherina was attacked in - just a couple of posts up .... and didn't bat an eye - and you're actually whining I didn't comment on something I wasn't aware of? That you haven't cared that I haven't commented on something I haven't seen or may have missed bothers me not a single fuck. That makes so little sense.

[Number23]

194. Ah yes, Brother Ivan. He left. And I have it on very good authority why. It would not make

the Sanders supporters happy who have tried to pretend that he left because he got into it with another black poster when from what I have been told, he left for the same reasons that there have been COUNTLESS articles, blog posts, condemnations from white progressives, black progressives and progressive movements aghast at the behavior from some Sanders supporters against BLM and other black movements and causes. And he is not the only one, by no means.

I "got lots of answers" too, polly. LOTS of them.

I don't visit the AA forum

The HELL you say!!

So I've already mentioned that I didn't see the post against Catherina TWO YEARS AGO. Are we starting this back up again or have we finally concluded here?

[polly7]

198. Pick your jaw up off the floor. No, I'm just not that into you, hard as that may be to

process.

I'm sure you do have LOTS of answers to just about anything, lol. So can anyone. Thankfully, most only reply with answers in good faith.

Didn't know we'd finished just because you said we had. I know how much you'd like it to go away, but your outrage over one and laughing at another (right here, after it was brought up all over again) doesn't really do much for your image, imho.

[Number23]

200. Judging by the complete incoherence in this post, this conversation has devolved completely

and has now become as circular as it has been boring and completely pointless.

Let me know if there's anything else I can "help" you with, Ms. Polly.

[polly7]

201. Yeah ......... I've gotten tired trying to follow your spin.

No ......... can't think of anything at all you can help me with, Ms. Number23.

I think you've pretty much shown me what and who you find worthy of your 'support', or whatever you're calling it.

[Number23]

202. Glad I could help. Though your posts led me to realize who I was dealing with

a long, LONG time ago. Probably why this has been our first conversation and God willing, it will be our last.

**FINALLY eating my delicious cherry covered sundae**

[polly7]

203. Really?

That's so interesting. (not). But as I couldn't give a rat's behind what you think about me now, or ....... whenever, for whatever I'm supposed to have done to you - or ever, actually, and see how you're so quick to resort to garbage attacks yourself, I totally! understand your lack of support for those who don't agree with everything you know LOTS and LOTS on.

Bon Appétit!

I'm just gonna have some pie and milk here, myself.

[Warren DeMontague]

233. holy run-on sentence, batman!

[Number23]

236. Why can't you leave me alone? Did you miss this exchange the other 10 times you've posted in this

thread? I don't understand people who behave the way that you do. Clearly my presence on this board upsets you. You've chased after me before and over something equally as stupid as this.

You could minimize your heartburn and misery EASILY by just leaving me alone. Simple. Effective! Give it a try.

And yeah, my lack of punctuation will surely take away the sting that yet another poc that openly supported Sanders on this web site was run off by other Sanders supporters. Yeah, take this period. . That will make it all feel better.

[Warren DeMontague]

240. you seem tense.

I was just trying to figure out what you were saying, here:

It would not make the Sanders supporters happy who have tried to pretend that he left because he got into it with another black poster when from what I have been told, he left for the same reasons that there have been COUNTLESS articles, blog posts, condemnations from white progressives, black progressives and progressive movements aghast at the behavior from some Sanders supporters against BLM and other black movements and causes.


but ....it's really not that big of a deal.

[BainsBane]

261. I have wondered about him

and noticed that he hasn't posted since the first fallout over Black Lives Matter. I can only imagine that must have been a disheartening experience for him.

[Number23]

263. We disagreed about a lot politically and I know that he could be very rude from time to time

(especially when getting "encouragement" from others) but there was no denying he was a smart and really passionate guy.

Do you remember the story about the little girl whose white, lesbian parents sued a fertility clinic because the little girl was half black and that wasn't what they wanted? I will never forget his comments in that thread. He was half black himself and you could see how much the story itself hurt him, as though the idea that having a half black child was an ordeal that not everyone could handle. His posts were so heartfelt and so eloquent in that thread.

And he also sent me some PMs that showed he had real depth of character. I noticed he hadn't posted in a while too. I wasn't sure why until another black Sanders supporter who was also revolted by the crap they saw on DU said that they'd spoken on Twitter (I think) and he was pretty much done with this place after what he saw re: BLM.

[BainsBane]

264. I don't believe I read that thread about the fertility issue

Do you know if he continues to support Sanders?

[Number23]

265. I don't.

[Bonobo]

186. Im happy for anyone to read my posts and their posts and see who wailed and wept.

I wasn't the one who posted about placing feet on people's throats and DEMANDING an answer. That was real drama.

[polly7]

189. LOL!

I couldn't figure out who was being talked about. For cripes sake .... the drama.

[Number23]

191. Actually, you DID!!!

I wasn't the one who posted about placing feet on people's throats and DEMANDING an answer.

I have never in my life typed such a nonsensical sentence about "placing feet on people's throats." That was most definitely you. Wrong YET AGAIN!!!

OH MY GOD!

Edit: Here is the actual post. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=620649

Bonobo (26,785 posts)
128. I DEMANDED it? Like... foot on throat demand with a touch of "submit now"?

And you're accusing ME of paranoia?

Wait, I gotta stop laughing... Gonna break something... Ouch...

I don't think you've gotten a single thing right in this entire thread. And yet... you just keep going and think that you are actually helping yourself. It is absolutely HILARIOUS.

[Bonobo]

193. Errrm, it was a reference to a post that JustAnotherGen made and then self-deleted.

Keep going though. You're cracking me up with your drama.

[Number23]

195. Sure it was, hon!

[Bonobo]

196. It was. And it was hilariously dramatic. nt

[Chitown Kev]

159. You got that right

This thread is a fucking riot.

[Number23]

160. And you're a newbie! Get your cousin to read this and break it down even further

I'm sure Scorpio can add a HELL of alot of context and history to all of this. A shit load.

[Chitown Kev]

163. We've had some of that talk already

Trust me...

[Warren DeMontague]

222. ***

[bettyellen]

223. gotta love people who don't think twice about saying "some people" ...

gutless.

[MrMickeysMom]

266. I did not know this...

Kick

[Enthusiast]

52. How could we forget it? It was deplorable.

That is the stuff from the 2008 election that ripped my heart out.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

99. A lot of people around aren't voting for Hillary

[ibegurpard]

17. But is he Black enough?

Cause we've all been told how Bernie can't appeal to African Americans and every Black voice that expresses support seems to be questioned...

[Catherina]

23. Bernie is appealing to African Americans just fine

What kind of sick mind thinks Black people don't care about redressing income inequality, better schools, free college for our kids, spending more money at home instead of exploding it overseas on the heads of darker people whose struggles managed to get them a better standard of living (Libya for example).

The only problem Bernie has with the AA vote is exposure hence the amazing, mendacious mental gymnastics we've been seeing here that Bernie can't connect. Some people are doing their best to make sure he doesn't connect, that Black minds pass him over because "he's a Jew with bank accounts in Israel", "his supporters are *White Supremacists*" but it's not working. His numbers are increasing in the AA community with many thanks to Cornel West, the same guy who introduced Obama to the Black community and vouched for him, and the hard work of Black Leftists and especially Black millennials.

Hillary Clinton's ship is sinking so fast that if I were one of her supporters, I'd be patching the leaks instead of making a total fool of myself manufacturing incredible attacks against Bernie. On further thought, carry on with the lame attacks because each one backfires more spectacularly than the last.

[JustAnotherGen]

25. I thought you lived in

Central or South America?

Or were from there?

Or did you move here?

[JustAnotherGen]

34. I don't know what you are talking about

I thought we communicated here a few years ago and you were in Central America?

[Catherina]

37. "We" do not communicate. Permanent ignore for you n/t

[arcane1]

56. You communicated a few years ago and called her "a self hating black woman"

Her reply was apt in that context, and didn't deserve a hide.

[Scootaloo]

125. Here's a reminder, JustAnotherGen

Star Member JustAnotherGen (18,323 posts)
32. Catherina

Generally is perceived that way(Obama basher)-but I perceive her as a self hating black woman. . . I question if that really is a black woman. Generally - she doesn't relate to us at all. You will never see the op ever show empathy for black Americans.

Emphasis mine. Here's the direct link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11874079#post32

And here's a screenshot, for good measure:

[polly7]

134. Well that's just sickening.

And of course Catherina got a hide for defending herself. I hope someone's proud.

[Bonobo]

177. It seems that it is only when Anti-Sanders AA posters are silenced that it is worthy of mention. nt

[TheFarS1de]

139. The more you dig ...

the less you want to know from some of these posters . I wonder if they even understand the word "Hypocrisy" . That is truly a low comment and speaks volumes about the poster .

[840high]

172. It makes me sick.

[mhatrw]

208. Cute how stalking a poster is just fine when you do it. n/t

[BeanMusical]

211. What you said about Catherina is sickening.

[haikugal]

258. Absolutely, and unforgivable....disgusting.

Catherina didn't deserve the hide.

[ibegurpard]

27. I sure hope so

And a lot of this "Bernie isn't appealing to AA or minority communities" rhetoric IS an attempt to poison the well for people who haven't heard much about him yet in my opinion.

[noiretextatique]

31. that seems to be the purpose

since bernie is far better on bread and butter issues than clinton.

[Catherina]

36. +1000 n/t

[Catherina]

35. The Clinton's tried that for 2008. Didn't work then and won't work now

"this "Bernie isn't appealing to AA or minority communities" rhetoric IS an attempt to poison the well for people who haven't heard much about him yet in my opinion."

Well said. That's exactly what it is.

[Enthusiast]

57. Thank you a whole bunch!

[uponit7771]

81. I'm black and think Clinton will address all of that and don't think she's Satan Spawn or anything..

... close.

Clintons ship is not sinking fast, Sanders numbers outside of homogenized states are horrible... worse than Kerry's

[Romulox]

47. Only DU's White Women know, for sure. nt

[ibegurpard]

50. So it would seem

[enigmatic]

63. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

I was either #1 or #3:


On Thu Sep 24, 2015, 02:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Only DU's White Women know, for sure. nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=619412

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Is he black enough?"
"Only DU's White Women Know, for sure."

The reply has nothing to do with the body of the post being replied to. That is obvious. How far does this need to go. It's sick that these are the thoughts posted and that POC and women have to read them. Why do some simply think sex in this instance. Truly disturbing.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 24, 2015, 02:46 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Issues should be addressed openly within the thread, IMO.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm hardly a Sanders supporter but despite Skinner's comments that this is no alert stalking going on this kind of stuff is Grade-A case number 1 that it is.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Remember the "Not good enough, Bernie" post? It claimed he was terrible for minorities and so had low minority turnout in a 96.4% white city.

It was written by a white woman. Then copied over to DU.

Perhaps the problem is the actions of such people, and not the posters accurately stating those actions.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a non-sequitur, extremely random, and sort of angrily mean, but it's just sound and fury.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Get a grip...if we are to be offended by things like this the world itself will be an offense.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the

[Romulox]

64. Wow. I find the alerter's comments bizarre and offensive.

Why do some simply think sex in this instance.

My comment had nothing to do with sex. What a bizarre (not to mention offensive) projection. Gross.

[Prism]

244. !!

[uponit7771]

79. "we all" weren't told anything like that, this is shit stirring no doubt

[Ed Suspicious]

18. NO! Spike Lee is black. #bernienotsoblack

Get on message, Spike!

[uponit7771]

75. What does this mean? tia

[Ed Suspicious]

82. It means that the monolithic "black" community has spoken, and Black America ain't now or have not

ever been feeling the bern. It means not good enough Bernie. It means that Bernie's supporters are so, so mean. It means other stuff too. Haven't you read the script around here?

[NCTraveler]

26. Edit. nt.

Last edited Thu Sep 24, 2015, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)

[Catherina]

38. There are many Black voices of influence speaking for Bernie

and I agree with you, this is a great one.

[NCTraveler]

40. Edit. nt.

[leftofcool]

55. Besides Spike Lee and Cornell West can you list those for us please?

[arcane1]

58. Are they the wrong kind of black people?

[beam me up scottie]

70. Don't they count? How about Symone Sanders? Or the DUer you're replying to?

How many would be acceptable to you?

Are you keeping a list?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[leftofcool]

100. The post said "many influential Blacks" support Bernie.

I asked for a list. Simple really.

[beam me up scottie]

102. How many would be enough for you? Can you define "influential"?

Why are you so upset by this?

Do you keep lists of minorities who support other candidates or is Bernie special?

[leftofcool]

111. Ask the original poster for a definition of "influential"

Actually I do keep several lists of things concerning my chosen candidate. I think it is important for my candidate to listen and learn from minorities. I want my candidate to be confronted by any minority group who wants to confront her at any rally at any time. I want my candidate to be called out by BLM any time they want to call. I spend a great deal of time trying to make sure this happens. I know my candidate is doing her job if she is supported by "influential" people with whom I agree on minority issues facing this country.

[beam me up scottie]

114. You're the one making the list so you have to define it.

And how many is enough for you?

Do they have to be 100% black or do multi-racial people qualify?

And why does Spike Lee's excitement about Bernie bother you so much?

[mhatrw]

209. That's great that you have appointed yourself Clinton's

Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:35 AM - Edit history (1)

personal ambassador to all POC.

It's too bad that you already have a job because Bernie Sanders could really use a white ambassador to POC of your considerable talents.

[Luminous Animal]

71. Killer Mike, Lil B, and Mehcad Brooks are just 3 that I know off the top of my head.

[Fawke Em]

77. ...more than half my Twitter feed.

But they're just regular black people and apparently don't count.

[arcane1]

83. They only count if they support Clinton.

Those are "the good ones"

[beam me up scottie]

105. +1

They're not on the "list".

[ibegurpard]

90. yup. just like I said upthread

Guess they aren't "Black" enough.

[grahamhgreen]

221. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Elvin Bishop, Buckwheat Zydecho

[kwassa]

164. I don't believe you. Who are these many black voters of influence?

Spike is only one of them.

[Cheese Sandwich]

32. Only one of the greatest filmmakers in history. No big deal

[noiretextatique]

39. not exactly and endorsement, but a good start

hopefully spike will get on board.

[blackspade]

43. I really like Lee.

[frylock]

44. Would love to see a Mars Blackmon video a'la Air Jordans..

in support of Bernie. Do you know?! Do you know?! Do you know?!

[klook]

212. Please, baby, please. (n/t)

[Uncle Joe]

45. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Catherina.

[whatchamacallit]

53. Awesome!

[Juicy_Bellows]

67. Kind of on topic?

If you like basketball and video games, this year it's a SPIKE LEE JOINT:



NBA2K16 is available now for pre-order and unlocks at midnight EST for those interested.

[workinclasszero]

84. Another financially well off American for Bernie

Yippee?

[Luminous Animal]

85. Yep. And see post #58

[beam me up scottie]

86. You support a millionaire whose top donors are wealthy beyond belief.

What an ironic choice for a user name.

[Juicy_Bellows]

89. An influential African-American at that.

So, yeah, Yippee - good for Sanders and Spike - why the turd on the doorstep?

[Luminous Animal]

94. Like ibegurpard surmised in post #58… the wrong kind of black person.

Not good enough Bernie.

[leftofcool]

101. You just got them all worked up with this one.

[beam me up scottie]

103. You're the one asking for lists of black people who support Bernie.

Why did this thread get you all worked up?

Aren't AAs allowed to support another candidate without your approval?

[Bonobo]

149. There are quite a few from what I have seen.

AND from what I have seen, they don't feel terribly welcome in that particular group.

JustAnotherGen remarked just below about how 1StrongBM was accused of not being black enough because he was rich... I don't know about that, but I personally saw HIM accuse BrotherIvan, a Sanders supporters who was run off, of not being black (I think he has a white parent).

[beam me up scottie]

150. I miss BrotherIvan.

I wish he'd come back but after seeing threads like this I'm glad he's not here because he'd be getting attacked too.

[Bonobo]

183. He was a good guy. Smart as hell, a teacher with a strong opinion.

Someone stabbed him intentionally where it hurts I think. It was pretty nasty.

[polly7]

185. I really liked him.

He was brilliant and his posts always very, very interesting. It's sad to see that he's not posting here anymore.

[Bonobo]

187. It is. But he is never mentioned with the supposed list of AA's run off.

Nor does anyone ask who ran him off, except me.

[haikugal]

259. Keep talking...I miss him too and had no idea where he went or why.

Vicious.

[cherokeeprogressive]

213. Yeah. Another one. Kinda like the Congress critter endor$ements we're told about every day.

Mostly white 1%ers supporting an old white .00001%er.

[Romulox]

216. I wish the hidden response to you stood. It reveals the true essence of this conflict. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

98. doesn't matter. The "minorities can't stand Sanders" talking point has cycled out again, won't be

back for a bit.

It's something else, this week.

[beam me up scottie]

123. I think "Gun Nut" is up next.

They're cycling so fast I can't keep track anymore.

[Bonobo]

180. The amount of anger I see when a black person supports Sanders is pretty funny.

Cornel West elicited the most venemous "angry black man" racist crap I have ever seen -as if the irony of white people telling a black man to soften his rhetoric is completely lost on them after the BLM thing...

Now, just a mention that Spike Lee is excited about Sanders is enough to cause a multi-hundred response tantrum.

Gotta love DU.

[Warren DeMontague]

204. yeah, the amount of bona fide HATE for Sen. Sanders in that other place, kind of.... blew me away.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't hate Hillary Clinton- I just don't want to vote for her in the primary and I think she's running a depressingly craptastic campaign full of all-too-predictable mushy-headed pablum and equivocation.

I actually, honestly, wish it weren't so.

But I don't hate her as a person. I actually kind of like her, although I like her less since the IWR, the flag burning law, the "marriage is between a man and a woman", and even less since "the Middle class needs a champion" and "what, with a cloth?"

I think she'd do better if she ditched the handlers and started acting natural and spontaneous- real spontaneity, not the planned, poll-tested type- although I question how capable she is of doing that, and she's by far not the only politician who has trouble being "real" in front of a huge audience- Al Gore, who I respect immensely, has always had that problem.

The shit said about Bernie, though... I mean, these folks REALLY hate him. And for what? Well, obviously for some it's about point-landing and score-settlin' vis a vis DU... saaaame ol', saaaame ol but what gobsmacked me most was the absolute nasty vitriol aimed at THE GUY himself- and remember, he's someone who hasn't attacked HRC at all, as near as anyone can tell.

If he was Ralph Nader, okay-- but he's not. This situation is not. He's running as a Democrat in the Democratic Primary as part of the process, and certainly I've seen no indication that he wouldn't respect the results of that process to support the nominee, if it weren't him.

So what's it about? I said in a different post, I think there is an extreme amount of emotional attachment to Hillary as an idea or ideation, and really if you drill down to the core of what Sanders did to piss them off so profoundly, he ran, and now he's having some success, and there has gotta be that deep, gnawing fear that he will fuck up the "inevitability" (again!!!! ) and that is the greatest sin of all.

He didn't just get out of the way and recognize that "it's her turn".

[Bonobo]

205. You absolutely nailed it.

It isn't Bernie as such, I agree. It is that he dare to take from Hillary what is rightly hers.

It is her turn. How dare he.

The anti-semitism, hippie-punchingm ageism is something that comes out as a result of extreme anger over being potentially denied.

Hillary supporters in 2008 were exactly the same as they are now. Forming secret little groups and carping and complaining and hating on everyone.

[bvar22]

129. WOW. And here I thought Spike Lee was black,

but that can't because, according to a good percentage of DU, Bernie doesn't have Black supporters.



I wonder how many will follow Spike Lee over to Bernie?
I be A LOT.

[Oilwellian]

143. This has made my day

Thank you for posting, Catherina. I love Spike Lee.

[raven mad]

206. Remember when Obama was "unelectible"?

n/t

[LWolf]

214. That video is addictive.

The interview with Spike Lee is good, too.

[Warren Stupidity]

229. The "n-word" occurs in many of Spike Lee's films.

Therefore Spike Lee is not an appropriate endorsement.

[Jesus Malverde]

234. Nice to see your posting back on DU

Always thought provoking.

[Cheese Sandwich]

248. I definitely agree with Spike Lee on this

The whole thing is very exciting!

How cool would it be if he campaigned for Bernie or just showed up at a campaign event.

[LWolf]

262. Interesting to see

this thread, with good news and a great song, appear on the front page again because a very small number of people have to make sure that we know that Spike Lee doesn't represent Black America.

Still, it was good to listen to the song again.