Salon: The Cash Donations Hillary Has Simply No Answer For.

[mylye2222]

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/31/the_cash_donations_hillary_simply_has_no_answer_for_partner/

Worth , worth reading piece fellow DUers.

It seems that HRC still have a lot to anwer to. Aside the email issue still haunting her, if she is the nominee.... well it will be the most direct way towards heavy loss...

[AtomicKitten]

1. Her poor judgment at State was appalling.

The Foundation had to refile taxes for FIVE years because the $$$ wasn't reported appropriately.
link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/23/us-usa-election-clinton-taxes-exclusive-idUSKBN0NE0CA20150423

[ShrimpPoboy]

4. Any evidence to suggest that was Clintons fault?

Or she had knowledge of the mistakes? Big organizations have accountants that do this and I don't know if she was personally involved on any level with the errors being alleged.

That said, when you're running a group, the buck stops with you. Thats been a presidential truism since Truman at least.

[AtomicKitten]

5. She broke an agreement with the White House on disclosure.

The disclosure agreement was one of the conditions of taking the job of SOS.
link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/19/us-usa-clinton-donations-idUSKBN0MF2FQ20150319

[sabrina 1]

40. No there isn't. But what does that say about her ability to lead this country? If you don't know

people around you are up to it shows a lack of leadership qualities. Leaders are not always apologizing for past mistakes, or making excuses by blaming those under them when things go wrong.

We need people in high office who have the necessary qualities to do the work to start changing the direction this country has taken which include, surrounding themselves with qualified, trustworthy competent people who won't make these kinds of mistakes.

[hifiguy]

11. Appalling or just plain corrupt?

From the article (emphasis added)

While Clinton was secretary of state, her department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors. That figure from Clinton’s three full fiscal years in office is almost double the value of arms sales to those countries during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that gave to the Clinton Foundation. That was a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration. The 143 percent increase in U.S. arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors compares to an 80 percent increase in such sales to all countries over the same time period.

American military contractors and their affiliates that donated to the Clinton Foundation — and in some cases, helped finance speaking fees to Bill Clinton — also got in on the action. Those firms and their subsidiaries were listed as contractors in $163 billion worth of arms deals authorized by the Clinton State Department.
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The fish rots from the head down.

[mylye2222]

14. I would say both...

nt.

[AtomicKitten]

22. I would say so too.

[roguevalley]

24. the buck stops with her. She is responsible or if she can't handle it, she should have left.

we'd get fired for less

[AtomicKitten]

25. nobody gets a free pass like she does

you're right, anybody else would have been fired

[brooklynite]

39. I'd mark her boss down for poor supervision...

[AtomicKitten]

45. That's fair. Obama gave her free rein.

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She came to State with an entourage of iirc 80 people. Unprecedented. Maybe Obama just held her coat for her and let her do her thing. Bastard! LOL.

[Fawke Em]

23. I'm sure there is, but when the lists nearly mirror

one another, it becomes very suspicious.

[merrily]

50. You don't have to convince Agschmid. He is a supporter of Bernie Sanders.

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That his posts always seem to favor Hillary is just an odd twist of fate.

[mhatrw]

35. You mean like better arms sales people? That Clinton charm? n/t

[sabrina 1]

41. No wonder there was such pressure to 'arm the 'opposition' in Syria and to invade Libya. Lots of

of business for those arms dealers and defense contractors.

[KoKo]

53. I'll say it Again! What her record was as SOS should be Examined:

From the Article:

Federal law designates the secretary of state as “responsible for the continuous supervision and general direction of sales” of arms, military hardware and services to foreign countries. In practice, that meant that Clinton was charged with rejecting or approving weapons deals — and when it came to Clinton Foundation donors, Hillary Clinton’s State Department did a whole lot of approving.

While Clinton was secretary of state, her department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors. That figure from Clinton’s three full fiscal years in office is almost double the value of arms sales to those countries during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that gave to the Clinton Foundation. That was a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration. The 143 percent increase in U.S. arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors compares to an 80 percent increase in such sales to all countries over the same time period.

American military contractors and their affiliates that donated to the Clinton Foundation — and in some cases, helped finance speaking fees to Bill Clinton — also got in on the action. Those firms and their subsidiaries were listed as contractors in $163 billion worth of arms deals authorized by the Clinton State Department.

Under a directive signed by President Clinton in 1995, the State Department is supposed to take foreign governments’ human rights records into account when reviewing arms deals. Yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department increased approvals of such deals to Clinton Foundation donors that her own agency was sharply criticizing for systematic human rights abuses.

[Catherina]

17. Let's not forget her Syria debacle that the White House is pissed off about now

Finger-Pointing, but Few Answers, After a Syria Solution Fails

By PETER BAKERSEPT. 17, 2015

WASHINGTON — By any measure, President Obama’s effort to train a Syrian opposition army to fight the Islamic State on the ground has been an abysmal failure. The military acknowledged this week that just four or five American-trained fighters are actually fighting.

But the White House says it is not to blame. The finger, it says, should be pointed not at Mr. Obama but at those who pressed him to attempt training Syrian rebels in the first place — a group that, in addition to congressional Republicans, happened to include former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

At briefings this week after the disclosure of the paltry results, Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, repeatedly noted that Mr. Obama always had been a skeptic of training Syrian rebels. The military was correct in concluding that “this was a more difficult endeavor than we assumed and that we need to make some changes to that program,” Mr. Earnest said. “But I think it’s also time for our critics to ‘fess up in this regard as well. They were wrong.”

...

The idea of bolstering Syrian rebels was debated from the early days of the civil war, which started in 2011. Mrs. Clinton, along with David H. Petraeus, then the C.I.A. director, and Leon E. Panetta, then the defense secretary, supported arming opposition forces, but the president worried about deep entanglement in someone else’s war after the bloody experience in Iraq.

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/world/finger-pointing-but-few-answers-after-a-syria-solution-fails.html?_r=1

[AtomicKitten]

21. She blamed Obama for the rise of ISIS.

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/10/illary_clinton_blames_rise_of_isis_on_obama_%E2%80%9Cfailure%E2%80%9D_to_intervene_in_syria_civil_war/

[Catherina]

46. Thanks for the link. I missed that.

Now I understand why he's not lifting a finger to help her and wants Biden to run.

[sabrina 1]

42. Funny, I just mentioned the pressure to 'arm the opposition' in Syria and the push for the

disastrous invasion of Libya. It is all so corrupt and so horrific, our reasons for all these horrible wars that have caused so much human suffering around the world. Directly responsible for the current refugee crisis now in Europe. All NATO countries should HAVE to take in those refugees. No excuses, they made and profited from the problem, they lied, claiming it was all for 'humanitarian' purposes, they are now thoroughly exposed as liars refusing to help those whose countries they destroyed.

[Catherina]

48. +1000 Sabrina. But not an ounce of remorse from the main culprits n/t

[merrily]

51. Gee, and our "training" of Iraq troops and Afghan troops worked out so well for us, too. Much like

Vietnamization of the Vietnam War Era.

Hey, once we identify a winning strategy, by gum,, we're sticking to it!

[magical thyme]

13. Predictable...and that's directed at Clinton.

Questionable judgement. Questionable character.

[sabrina 1]

43. The subject of the OP is not the poster. Anything to say about the content of the article? True,

false? We know the pressure that was put on Obama to arm the Syrian 'rebels' and to invade Libya. We also know Defense contractors, once again, made out like bandits while two countries were totally destroyed.

Obama claims now that it was this pressure that caused him to make the decisions he reluctantly made. The total failure of these 'foreign adventures' is now obvious, though it should have been BEFORE, as it was to many of us ordinary people.

So, is there any truth in this claim? If there is a counter argument now is the time to present it. I would like to know if it is true or not before making a judgement. But attacking the messenger, again, doesn't do much to enlighten anyone.

[99th_Monkey]

3. K & R nt

[DanTex]

6. Reruns from May, huh. No new material, I guess. That, and Hillary haters are easily entertained.

[beam me up scottie]

8. Irony. Meter. Exploded.

[DanTex]

9. ...easily entertained.

[840high]

33. You are easily fooled.

[Agony]

28. It was Corruption in May and it is still Corruption today.

Hey!

[nichomachus]

37. I forgot -- there's a three-week statute of limitations on Hillary's wrongdoing

Maybe in the Hillary Secret Clubhouse, but not in the real world

[sabrina 1]

44. How sad, that you call people wanting to know the facts about their government 'hate'. I remember

that was what Bush supporters called those of us on the Left who wanted the truth about Iraq.

The OP makes a claim. I don't know if it's true or not, but if it is, it should be investigated and I don't care who the people involved are, even if it is one of my favorite politicians. Because what you don't seem to understand is that most people want to know where their tax dollars are going, what wars are being started and for what reason. Many on the Left were RIGHT AGAIN about Syria and Libya now both human disasters.

Sick to death, most Americans at this point, of the defense of individuals who were entrusted with great powers, over what is best for this country.

You made no argument to counter the information in the OP so I assume you believe it is true?

[aidbo]

7. A couple paragraphs from the linked article

...
As just one of many examples, in its 2011 Human Rights Report, Clinton’s State Department slammed Algeria’s government for imposing “restrictions on freedom of assembly and association,” tolerating “arbitrary killing,” “widespread corruption” and a “lack of judicial independence.”

That year, the Algerian government donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation and the next year Clinton’s State Department approved a one-year 70 percent increase in military export authorizations to the country. The jump included authorizations for almost 50,000 items classified as “toxicological agents, including chemical agents, biological agents and associated equipment.” The State Department had not authorized the export of any of such items to Algeria the year before.
...

[hifiguy]

10. Does anyone honestly think that commercials about this

would not be running 24-7 if she manages to obtain the nomination?

She's a walking target and would lose in a landslide. No one would motivate more Repukes to crawl out from under their rocks than she would, regardless of which klown gets their nomination.

[Juicy_Bellows]

19. Apparently not.

I don't get the shrugged shoulders and the 'old news' claims. This, among others like the sniper fire video, will run constantly and she will sink in the general.

Painfully obvious - the Republicans already had their message ready in 08 but they didn't need it - they've had years to perfect their attack and it will be nasty.

However, she is most likely to beat the Republicans because money or something?

[arcane1]

27. As if there is some secret statute of limitations that only her supporters are aware of n/t

[Juicy_Bellows]

29. Yes, criticism must be of things done within the last few months or so.

With a UV light and a keen eye, a trained supporter can spot the freshness date and poo-poo accordingly.

Cheers!

[magical thyme]

12. "... what does that say about their sense of the appropriate relationship...

...between private gain and public good?”

Poor judgement. Seriously questionable character. That's what it says to me.

“The word was out to these groups that one of the best ways to gain access and influence with the Clintons was to give to this foundation,” said Meredith McGehee, policy director at the Campaign Legal Center.

While these arms deals may seem like ancient history, Lawrence Lessig, the director of Harvard University’s Safra Center for Ethics, says they “raise a fundamental question of judgment” — one that is relevant to the 2016 presidential campaign.

“Can it really be that the Clintons didn’t recognize the questions these transactions would raise?” he said. “And if they did, “The word was out to these groups that one of the best ways to gain access and influence with the Clintons was to give to this foundation,” said Meredith McGehee, policy director at the Campaign Legal Center.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. She ".. knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing." Oscar Wilde

[hifiguy]

20. Perfect.

Absolutely perfect.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. none of them, along the line

know what any of it is worth.

[upaloopa]

26. Wait! Hillary's campaign got foreign donations because

as Secretery of State she approved weapons deals? How did they know she was going to run for President? Don't they know foreigners can't give to a Presidential campaign?
Something fishy about this story!
Oh I remember this is a rehash of the Clinton Cash bull shit? Gee who is dumb enough to fall for that again? I guess this is like on a loop next will be Bengazi then emails them Clinton Cash then what the hell ever?

[MichMan]

30. Donations to the foundation

No, she got massive donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments after promising the Administration that she wouldn't accept any while SOS.

Inexplicably, many of those donating received favorable treatment. I'm relatively certain however that there was no quid pro quo, just an unfortunate coincidence.

[Uncle Joe]

31. It's no secret that Hillary was being "groomed" to run for President going back to before 2000.

The early conventional wisdom about the relationship between the president and vice president shifted from adoring descriptions of generational bonding to the prevailing media view that Gore's influence would "inevitably diminish" now that his "Dudley Do-Right" image was no longer necessary to take the curse off "Slick Willie." An account in The New York Times Magazine shortly before the inauguration set out the new interpretation, noting that "Al Gore hasn't yet realized there is going to be a co-presidency but he's not going to be part of the co," and that, according to the Clintons' close friend and adviser Susan Thomases, Gore "would have to adjust to a smaller role." The article came out of the blue, and the Gore camp detected the veiled handiwork of Hillary in its slant. It was an open secret that some of Hillary's advisers, Thomases in particular, nurtured dreams that Hillary, not Gore, would follow Bill in the presidency. "There are a great many people talking very seriously about her succeeding him," Betsey Wright, Bill's chief of staff in Arkansas, admitted during her former boss's first year as president.


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/11/clinton200711

This is a long read but it illustrates well how Hillary undercut Al at his own fundraisers when she was running for the Senate and much more.

Foreign nations or corporations can certainly use logic and reason if nothing else to determine future candidates and where power lay.

[merrily]

49. The co-Presidential campaigns of 1992 and 1996 and the alleged co-Presidency (2 for the price of 1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778412

[Oilwellian]

34. Weapons for donations

to a charity on a Charity Watch List.

[Scuba]

36. Kickety kick kick.

[Dawson Leery]

38. Joan Walsh is leaving Salon. I see why now.

Salon should resist becoming a tabloid if they want to survive.

[KoKo]

47. This will be more important than the "e-mails" further along in her campaign

Federal law designates the secretary of state as “responsible for the continuous supervision and general direction of sales” of arms, military hardware and services to foreign countries. In practice, that meant that Clinton was charged with rejecting or approving weapons deals — and when it came to Clinton Foundation donors, Hillary Clinton’s State Department did a whole lot of approving.

While Clinton was secretary of state, her department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors. That figure from Clinton’s three full fiscal years in office is almost double the value of arms sales to those countries during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that gave to the Clinton Foundation. That was a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration. The 143 percent increase in U.S. arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors compares to an 80 percent increase in such sales to all countries over the same time period.

American military contractors and their affiliates that donated to the Clinton Foundation — and in some cases, helped finance speaking fees to Bill Clinton — also got in on the action. Those firms and their subsidiaries were listed as contractors in $163 billion worth of arms deals authorized by the Clinton State Department.

Under a directive signed by President Clinton in 1995, the State Department is supposed to take foreign governments’ human rights records into account when reviewing arms deals. Yet, Hillary Clinton’s State Department increased approvals of such deals to Clinton Foundation donors that her own agency was sharply criticizing for systematic human rights abuses.