2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNSA Chief: Hillary Clinton Emails Were 'Opportunity' for Foreign Spy Agencies
http://www.newsweek.com/mike-rogers-nsa-hillary-clinton-emails-376432It would present an "opportunity" for spy agencies if the foreign minister of Russia or Iranwere to use a private email server for official business, the chief of the U.S. National Security Agency said on Thursday.
The comments by Admiral Mike Rogers were in response to questions during a U.S. Senate hearing about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's use of a private server for email.
It would present an "opportunity" for spy agencies if the foreign minister of Russia or Iranwere to use a private email server for official business, the chief of the U.S. National Security Agency said on Thursday.
The comments by Admiral Mike Rogers were in response to questions during a U.S. Senate hearing about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's use of a private server for email.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)What we know so far:
1) Communications with her server were not encrypted for the first 3 months.
https://www.venafi.com/blog/post/what-venafi-trustnet-tells-us-about-the-clinton-email-server/
2) They left the default VPN keys installed on her server
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-04/clinton-s-e-mail-system-built-for-privacy-though-not-security
3) They were using, and continue to use, self-signed SSL certificates
http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042
4) They set up a .com domain, enabling the typosquater who has registered clintonmail.com (no "e" before "mail" . Whoever registered that domain is in a perfect position to steal login information or perform spear phishing attacks.
5) Her ISP was repeatedly hacked by China
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=615632
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Edited to add: fuck the NSA anyway.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Their contact information wasn't exactly private.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)...flashing sign that says "hack me, I'm important".
jeff47
(26,549 posts)So they got the giant "HACK ME!!" sign off her phone's IP traffic anyway.
(Or even more likely, off the phones of her staffers that also had accounts on that server.)
bigtree
(85,918 posts)...are opportunistic political attacks promoting the views of individuals like the NSA chief whose opinion would otherwise come under more criticism and scrutiny from progressives. Anything goes, I guess, when attacking Hillary. This undermines the promotion of a progressive campaign like Sanders'. It's short-sighted and banal to use this email nonsense as a hammer in our Democratic primary, and it makes it hard to distinguish this from attacks which originated with right-wing republicans' attacks on the Obama presidency and party.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)deal with it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)The source is a good one.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Reuters is a news aggregator. Or at least used to be until they turned opinion into news, much like AP has.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)give it a rest, Fred. Really....your defensiveness is showing...
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)bigtree
(85,918 posts)...this NSA regards any breach of their secrecy as a crime.
Most progressives disagree. 'Deal with' that.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Representing an "opportunity", also whatever that means, for American spy agencies who I guess would be trying to spy on another government elected senior official.
All so very scary, scary.....am I wrong?
So, again - and this is getting boring - what difference does it make...to anything to do with Clinton?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and weren't going to click on the link until 4 minutes later, when you clicked on the link.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)bigtree
(85,918 posts)...the remark by the NSA head is an 'opportunity' to dig into Hillary, but I doubt it was meant as a specific charge against her.
As for Rogers, who knows which prerogative of the spooks he's promoting or defending? Anything he says should be regarded by those who object to the absolute and prosecutable secrecy of the security state as cover for his agency's overreach.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)bigtree
(85,918 posts)...positing a fictional equivalency between Bush and Clinton.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)like an email server, is not at all to be trusted on this issue because they know a bit or two about breaking into everything electronic.
Good job slaughtering that messenger. I'm sure that totally erases the security holes on that server.
bigtree
(85,918 posts)...opponents of Hillary have theirs.
It's your choice what you choose to believe. What else do you agree with Admiral Rogers on? This could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There were some very large security holes on Clinton's server. See post #1. (Zero NSA sources, btw.)
You not liking the NSA does not magically make those security holes go away. No matter how much you hate them.
bigtree
(85,918 posts)...the object of this thread is to denigrate Clinton using the NSA chief's propaganda as a cudgel.
Folks advantaging their politics off of Rodgers will have to live with that.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)Treating the head of the NSA as if he were credible and acting as if the Republican-led Senate has no political agenda is a distraction as far as I'm concerned.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Oh wait....
emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)For political expediency.
Well a person could, but that is not how Bernie rolls
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The NSA breaks into computers. It's half of their job. The other half is preventing people from breaking into DoD computers.
One does not have to be a "fanboy" to make that accurate statement.
But I'm sure beating the messenger will totally make those security holes in her server disappear.
emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)Every high school student knows the credibility of sources matter. So save the "beat up the messenger" canard. You are an intelligent person so I seriously doubt you are so gullible that you give a "fair shake" and breathlessly believe every word from someone who has lied to you before.
Anyway my main point is this is not how Bernie wins Iowa, and you do not see Bernie pushing manufactured scandals or promoting known liars.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)And what, specifically, has the NSA done that makes you think they don't know how to break into servers?
Well, instead of continuing to beat the messenger's corpse, go have a look at reply #1. It lists the security holes we know about. And it has zero NSA sources.
You are attempting to make this about the NSA because you don't like the (obvious) message.
Believe it or not, massive security breaches do not disappear because there's a primary going on.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)single quote of what the NSA chief actually said....I decline to click on the link.
Americans are growing sick and tired of the sick and tired GOP and corporate media led distorted attacks on Clinton, uncleverly manufactured by their propaganda factories as if on an assembly line.
If the 2016 election is not a horse race, can you just imagine the horror of corporate media CEO's at the lost revenue?
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Very vulnerable to anyone foreign or domestic.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)including Fox.
And, btw, Blumenthal's email account was hacked. That is what opened this big ol' ugly can o'worms to begin with.
Blumenthal's emails to Clinton, which were directed to her private email account, include at least a dozen detailed reports on events on the deteriorating political and security climate in Libya as well as events in other nations. They came to light after a hacker broke into Blumenthal's account and have taken on new significance in light of the disclosure that she conducted State Department and personal business exclusively over an email server that she controlled and kept secret from State Department officials and which only recently was discovered by congressional investigators.
http://gawker.com/leaked-private-emails-reveal-ex-clinton-aides-secret-sp-1694112647
jeff47
(26,549 posts)You hear about things like the OPM hack because the OPM is required to notify the people affected by the hack, who then talk about it with the press.
The only people affected by a hack of Clinton's server is Clinton and her aides. There's no need to make a public announcement to notify her and her aides.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I don't think it was illegal to use one, but the fact that it wasn't secure is the big deal.
Who wants a president who can be blackmailed?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)You also do not want a President with potential health problems.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...after the breaches of security of US government servers, where the records of over a million people with high-level security clearances were leaked, it borders on ridiculous to point at Hillary Clinton's private email server and claim THAT is a security risk.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)This keeps getting better...
Zorra
(27,670 posts)the Chief of the NSA has boxes in his garage.