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Quinnipiac: Obama +6 in OH, +6 in FL, +11 in PA (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 OP
good numbers indeed oldhippydude Aug 2012 #1
I hope the voting computers aren't hacked. jerseyjack Aug 2012 #5
Why didn't they hack them in 2008? Marzupialis Aug 2012 #23
They should be a lot gooder given the competition. n/t yankeepants Aug 2012 #2
I dunno. 47% is pretty much the basement for either party now Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #3
Getting 53% of the vote is quite an accomplishment especially in these divided times Hawaii Hiker Aug 2012 #6
That is excellent news liberal N proud Aug 2012 #4
"How far" is a tricky number to calculate... Wounded Bear Aug 2012 #25
I agree 100% cheezmaka Aug 2012 #34
But Rasmussen has Romney 1 point ahead in Iowa nxylas Aug 2012 #7
Anymore questions about whether the Bain ads worked, or why ads were pulled in PA? alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #8
I would imagine they pulled PA 'cuz they're up by 11. Save some cash. democrat_patriot Aug 2012 #10
Um, yeah alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #11
I believe that's true cheezmaka Aug 2012 #35
Glad the Chicago side won on this flamingdem Aug 2012 #39
but the media told us that the bain attacks werwnt working... scheming daemons Aug 2012 #9
Hmm kenfrequed Aug 2012 #29
And again we see... neeksgeek Aug 2012 #12
reasonableness gaining over snake oil. nt Deep13 Aug 2012 #13
I like these headlines..something we would never see on NBC's INdemo Aug 2012 #14
This is great news but we need to treat these states like we're 2 points behind LynneSin Aug 2012 #15
So far, I believe the court battle is going our way... Wounded Bear Aug 2012 #26
It's looking good but until they rule it unconstitutional... LynneSin Aug 2012 #31
Since MI is "already" blue... cheezmaka Aug 2012 #36
Something major has happened in Ohio grantcart Aug 2012 #16
Portman won't make much of a difference if President Obama is consistently leading Hawaii Hiker Aug 2012 #19
Portman is the only VP choice who has shown to be of any help in Ohio, the others have no impact. grantcart Aug 2012 #20
Condi Rice in several polls could make things interesting as independents like her, BUT Hawaii Hiker Aug 2012 #22
kick grantcart Aug 2012 #33
Check out the results on this question......... yellowcanine Aug 2012 #17
yep also note the clever way to use the tabs on this version grantcart Aug 2012 #18
WoW! Those are dramatic disparities. I wonder if we'll hear much discussion about this. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #24
We will hear about it soon enough. The press loves to talk about "likability" issues. Look at the yellowcanine Aug 2012 #28
Agreed. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #32
Must be why Obama (at least for now) stopped advertising in PA. WI_DEM Aug 2012 #21
So is Rmoney, or he's slowing it way down demosincebirth Aug 2012 #27
I don't see how Romney closes the likability gap in Ohio with advertising. yellowcanine Aug 2012 #30
Game, set, and match! Bake Aug 2012 #37
Ah so this is why they stopped running ads in PA flamingdem Aug 2012 #38
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
3. I dunno. 47% is pretty much the basement for either party now
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 06:35 AM
Aug 2012

A 47 - 53 split is huge in Presidential elections.


I'll take 6 points in places like FL and OH.

Hawaii Hiker

(3,165 posts)
6. Getting 53% of the vote is quite an accomplishment especially in these divided times
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 07:14 AM
Aug 2012

In Reagan's 84 landslide, he got 58%, and the only places he lost were DC & Minnesota....

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
4. That is excellent news
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 07:00 AM
Aug 2012

How far do those numbers have to be before I feel comfortable that they can't steal it. I think they would still try at 6%

Wounded Bear

(58,627 posts)
25. "How far" is a tricky number to calculate...
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:14 PM
Aug 2012

Generally it's a very good sign when Pres Obama's numbers get above 50%.

As far as stealing anything, normally the spread would have to be within the margin of error, usually around 3-4%, to get away with it. So 5-6% is excellent on that front.

But you're right. they've been getting more brazen, and the theft factor plus the voter suppression factor could shift the numbers back into steal-able range.

So, no getting 'comfortable' this cycle. We need a solid GOTV effort, like 2008, to avoid another 2010, If we get out and vote, they can't win.

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
34. I agree 100%
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:05 PM
Aug 2012

I believe it wil take BOTH voter suppression and purging for the Republicans to "steal" this election. Dems would really have to "step" our game up...

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
7. But Rasmussen has Romney 1 point ahead in Iowa
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 07:22 AM
Aug 2012

Or, to translate that into Republican: the only reliable pollster has Romney ahead in the only state that matters, since it is impossible to become President without winning Iowa. Hell, they might as well not even bother letting people vote in other states at all. And thanks to our diligence in protecting America from voter fraud, pretty soon, they won't.

democrat_patriot

(2,774 posts)
10. I would imagine they pulled PA 'cuz they're up by 11. Save some cash.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:11 AM
Aug 2012

It is the whole narrative: Bain, taxes, secrecy and buffoonery in Europe.

I think deep down they Bush 2.0

Good news!

flamingdem

(39,312 posts)
39. Glad the Chicago side won on this
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 01:21 PM
Aug 2012

I remember reading that there were many who thought it was the wrong angle

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
29. Hmm
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:31 PM
Aug 2012

Yeah, they never get anything wrong.

I think the media wants this election to be closer for a number of reasons and none of them have anything to do with an honest discussion of policy or for the sake of democratic principle.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
12. And again we see...
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:31 AM
Aug 2012

Buried in the poll, we see that roughly 60% of Americans believe taxes should be raised on households with income greater than $250,000.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
15. This is great news but we need to treat these states like we're 2 points behind
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:54 AM
Aug 2012

We have no idea how the voter ID & purges in these states are going to impact the final votes. They say there could be close to 800k voters in Pennsylvania alone that could be impacted by the Voter ID bill. Just to give you an idea of the type of impact that would have in Pennsylvania - Obama won PA by 10points in 2008 or 620,478 votes over John McCain. Since the vast majority of those 800K voters impacted by Voter ID bills are the elderly, the young and minorities mainly in the urban areas of Phillly and a bit from Pittsburgh - that could put Romney over the top of Obama. Romney could win simply because PA GOP created a law that would disenfranchise legal voters from their rights to vote.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
31. It's looking good but until they rule it unconstitutional...
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:40 PM
Aug 2012

or put a stop to it, we have to fight like that is the norm in November.

cheezmaka

(737 posts)
36. Since MI is "already" blue...
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:12 PM
Aug 2012

I probably need to go to PA to help get some of those voters in "compliance" . The National Action Network is probably already there to help educate voters on the new ID laws but they STILL need all the help they can get...

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
16. Something major has happened in Ohio
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:00 AM
Aug 2012

WeAskAmerica, a right wing poll is showing a similar move. They ran it twice because they were surprised that so many Republicans are going to Obama.

Given how static these numbers are then this is a big move.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125160887

Expect Portman to be VP.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
20. Portman is the only VP choice who has shown to be of any help in Ohio, the others have no impact.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:34 AM
Aug 2012


He also isn't going to help him at all in Florida, Romney's other must have state.

Hawaii Hiker

(3,165 posts)
22. Condi Rice in several polls could make things interesting as independents like her, BUT
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:43 AM
Aug 2012

she is pro-choice, so there is NO. WAY. she'll be accepted by the repub base as a VP, especially when you consider how all over the place Mitt has been on abortion...

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
17. Check out the results on this question.........
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:03 AM
Aug 2012

Does (the presidential candidate) care or not care about the needs
and problems of people like you?

Obama Does Does Not

FL 55 42

OH 55 43

PA 58 39


Romney

FL 42 49

OH 38 55

PA 39 54

Scroll down to page 5 of poll:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/08/01/us/politics/01quinnipiac-new-york-times-cbs-poll.html

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. yep also note the clever way to use the tabs on this version
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:21 AM
Aug 2012
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/swing-state-polls

re: your point the commercials on Romney outsourcing and taxes is killing him, and he will not be able to recover.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
24. WoW! Those are dramatic disparities. I wonder if we'll hear much discussion about this.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:05 PM
Aug 2012

The M$M only seems interested when Mitt is either tied, or has a slight lead. The president doesn't get such favorable coverage.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
28. We will hear about it soon enough. The press loves to talk about "likability" issues. Look at the
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:29 PM
Aug 2012

stupid "Who would you rather have a beer with" crap that went on in 2000 and 2004. And this year the "likability" difference is shaping up as a chasm in Obama's favor.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
30. I don't see how Romney closes the likability gap in Ohio with advertising.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:34 PM
Aug 2012

And I don't think he can win Ohio without at least narrowing it. So I think his goose may be cooked there. Which means he must win Florida and probably Virginia as well if he is to have any chance. And then he probably still needs to knock off a big blue state such as Michigan.

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