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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:13 PM Sep 2015

My answer to a young woman who told me she cannot vote for Democrats because of abortion.

She said she was adopted.

I understand where she is coming from on that and respect it, but I support choice.

And this is what I said to her, "Well, I respect your opinion. We differ on that issue, but let's agree on one thing: No woman should have to have an abortion because she does not have the money to support a child."

Women have abortions for many reasons, some medical, some psychological, but a big one is the inability to provide a good life in material terms for a child or, often, ANOTHER child.

Republicans condemn women who have abortions.

But they do nothing to ease the financial burdens on mothers, especially single and divorced mothers of children.

Here are ways to help pregnant women and prevent some of the abortions, and these are ways that Republicans refuse to support:

Increase money for food stamps and nutrition assistance for families;
Single-payer healthcare that cuts the profit out of the cost of health insurance;
Free tuition in state colleges and trade and technical schools including free job training for women with children;
Equal pay for equal work regardless of gender;
Free and, quality equal childcare beginning from birth for all who want and need it;,
Government assistance for families and women with children who need low-income housing Large enough for a family;
Better adoption services programs;
Better mental health care;
Parenting education for all expectant mothers willing to participate in it (make it available);
Paid family leave for mothers and fathers for at least the first six weeks, better six months.

Just a few ideas.

Add your own.

That is how you reduce the number of abortions in this country.

I recall that I was in the hospital for a different reason in a foreign country. One of my roommates was having an abortion. She was a devout Catholic, but she told me that she already had a family and she was over 50 years old, pregnant and did not want her grown daughter to ever have to raise her child.

I share that story just to point out that people have abortions for a variety of reasons that are very personal. No woman should have to answer to anyone regarding why she feels she cannot have a baby. That is her business.

If men are so concerned about stopping abortions, they should STOP HAVING SEX.

Let's start a campaign to stop anti-abortion proponents from having sex. That would take care of the problem right there.


And by the way, Bernie's got this covered.

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My answer to a young woman who told me she cannot vote for Democrats because of abortion. (Original Post) JDPriestly Sep 2015 OP
Are Democrats pro-abortion? Dawgs Sep 2015 #1
I am pro-choice. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #2
Did you explain to her SheilaT Sep 2015 #3
Excellent posts! JDPriestly Sep 2015 #9
I'd like a campaign to demand that anti-abortion people get pregnant. Right now. jeff47 Sep 2015 #4
I've yet to meet anyone who suggests abortion should be used more often. world wide wally Sep 2015 #5
A couple more I'd add... pinstikfartherin Sep 2015 #6
Have her read this article n2doc Sep 2015 #7
"If men are so concerned about stopping abortions, they should STOP HAVING SEX." tecelote Sep 2015 #8
I love your post. I was happy that the Pope focused on the death penalty. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #10
K & R beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #11
I have a simpler reply to the woman NobodyHere Sep 2015 #12
Good one!. In addition the MAJORITY Duppers Sep 2015 #14
Bravo! Duppers Sep 2015 #13
Anti-choice hypocrites are "pro-life" ONLY until birth. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #15
Thanks! JDPriestly Sep 2015 #16
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
1. Are Democrats pro-abortion?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 02:44 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Tue Sep 29, 2015, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Because my argument is that Democrats are for reducing abortions just as much as Republicans, but the ONLY PROVEN way to do it is through better healthcare, sex education, contraception, and help with costs of raising a child. It's also a decision between women and their doctors.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. Did you explain to her
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:51 PM
Sep 2015

how Republicans do absolutely NOTHING to ease the live of a single mother? All of the things they refuse to fund? And how they don't even want contraception permitted?

If your young woman was born after Roe v Wade, which was in 1973, you might want to point out that her biological mother didn't have an abortion, even though she might have. So her argument about opposing abortion because she herself is adopted, is nonsensical.

And anyone who thinks that simply outlawing abortions will mean they simply won't happen, needs a reality check. It's not as though no woman every had an abortion before Roe v. Wade. Or that women in countries that officially outlaw them don't find ways to end a pregnancy.

And yes, all the men who are concerned about abortions should absolutely stop having sex. If it weren't for them, no woman would ever be pregnant. Somehow they overlook that little annoying fact.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
4. I'd like a campaign to demand that anti-abortion people get pregnant. Right now.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 04:16 PM
Sep 2015

Don't care about marital status or existing children.

If they're older, they better have enough money to pay for IVF.

And if the pregnancy will kill them, they can pray for a miracle.

After all, they want to give me control of their reproductive life.

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
5. I've yet to meet anyone who suggests abortion should be used more often.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:04 PM
Sep 2015

What I always thought was that it was made legal to protect women from the back alley abortionists because women were having them in spite of being illegal.
One step forward… two steps back.

pinstikfartherin

(500 posts)
6. A couple more I'd add...
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:09 PM
Sep 2015

Mandatory comprehensive sex education for high school students. No abstinence only education funding.
Easy access to birth control methods such as Colorado's IUD program.
End the stigma of mothers on government assistance (easier said than done).

If we want to stop abortions, we need a whole wide initiative that combats it on multiple fronts. The republicans want to do everything backwards rather than providing logical solutions. I mean, let's face it: abortion is never going to be extinguished, even if it is ever made illegal again. We need to fight against the underlying causes rather than abortion itself. Any other method is just foolish.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
7. Have her read this article
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:10 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128056063

It lays out the case for voting D, and Sanders, as a pro life position (much like you have). Probably won't help if she is a complete fetus worshipper, because they can't think for themselves other than to punish and outlaw. But maybe it will turn on a few lights.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
8. "If men are so concerned about stopping abortions, they should STOP HAVING SEX."
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 05:24 PM
Sep 2015

Great comment - it's easy for these right to life men to blame women when they are equally responsible.

If Republicans outlaw abortion then the penalties should include the father. That will make them think twice because I'll bet a lot of the right to life congressman have this type of skeleton in their closet.

Plus, Republicans are the "Keep government out of our personal lives" party. Yet, they want laws restricting women's rights.

No one wants more abortions. It's about time we focused on supporting women who have such an incredibly hard decision to make and live with.

Republicans believe every life is valuable. Let's focus on life. Let's put this energy towards ending our wars of choice. This is a sinful waste of life.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. I love your post. I was happy that the Pope focused on the death penalty.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 07:16 PM
Sep 2015

How can anyone claim to be pro-life and support so many wars and the death penalty.

Sometimes war is necessary. But was the War in Iraq necessary?

And the War in Vietnam? And in Central America?

Pro-life means making all lives meaningful and protecting mothers of all children no matter how poor and also protecting the lives of mothers in situations in which they do not feel they should or can complete their pregnancy. Let's save the lives of mothers first. Of women first.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
12. I have a simpler reply to the woman
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 07:50 PM
Sep 2015

Even if the reply is less popular on DU.

Just remind her that with all the republican controlled congresses and republican presidents that abortion is still legal, and it's likely to stay that way in the future no matter which party she votes for.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
15. Anti-choice hypocrites are "pro-life" ONLY until birth.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 06:38 AM
Sep 2015

After birth they take away the social programs that would help the child and mother, deride the mother for having the child she can't afford, "SHE should stop having sex if she can't afford a child" (immaculate conception, dontcha know ) etc...

Years ago I was at a Dick Durbin rally in a small nearby town and there were two anti-choice women there walking with anti-abortion signs with pictures of fetuses on them. One woman approached me with a flier and started her anti-choice spiel. I stopped her immediately and asked her how many kids she had adopted? and of course, she said none. I told her unless and until every anti-choice protester had a house full of adopted abused or unwanted kids, they have no right to advocate for more unwanted kids to be born and until every kid in our foster care system was adopted, they needed to mind their own business. She was just speechless and had no reply (because she knew I was right) and turned away in an indignant huff.

Unless a ANTI-CHOICER'S house is full of adopted kids and our Foster care system has no more children, they're - HYPOCRITES and must be called on it.

Plus, NO ONE has the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her womb. No one.

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