Bernie Sanders: "we are far from eradicating racism"

[beam me up scottie]

Sanders: Charleston Shooting Reminder Of 'Ugly Stain Of Racism' In US

Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Thursday condemned the shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, S.C. as a "tragic reminder of the ugly stain of racism" tainting America.

"This senseless violence fills me with outrage, disgust and a deep, deep sadness," Sanders tweeted.

In a longer statement, the Democratic presidential contender said the killings, which were blamed on a white suspect whose victims included state Sen. Clementa Pinckney (D), showed that the U.S. had a long way to go in escaping its history of racial violence.

"The hateful killing of nine people praying inside a church is a horrific reminder that, while we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights in this country, we are far from eradicating racism," he said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and their congregation," Sanders added.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charleston-shooting-bernie-sanders-racism

Sanders denounces racism, divisive politics of Trump in address to La Raza

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016, addressed the annual convention of the National Council of La Raza on July 13, calling for comprehensive immigration reform and denouncing those who would divide Americans over race and national origin.

...

While “racism has plagued the United States since its inception,” Sanders said the nation has advanced. “We should be proud that in recent decades we have made real progress,” he said. But he cautioned that voices of division remain and must be forcefully rejected.

“Not Donald Trump, not anyone else will be successful in dividing us based on race or on our country of origin. America becomes a greater nation, a stronger nation, when we stand together as one people and in a loud and clear voice we say no to racism and bigotry,” Sanders said.

http://www.wisconsingazette.com/political/sanders-denounces-racism-divisive-politics-of-trump-in-address-to-la-raza.html

Bernie doesn't think we've overcome racism at all.

[randys1]

1. Bernie doesnt...

[beam me up scottie]

16. No he doesn't.

[randys1]

17. Too bad so many of his supporters dont follow his lead when it comes to using

rw garbage to attack Hillary.

[beam me up scottie]

18. Then talk to them, I do not use nor approve of that tactic.

[merrily]

24. now, now. randys1 has posted many times that he is one of the supporters of Bernie he can't seem to

slam often enough.

[beam me up scottie]

28. Sure has a funny way of showing his support.

[merrily]

96. Yes, he and quite a few others. Many have announced a change in heart because

Bernie or --wait for it--"his supporters" are awful, awful people. Some have yet to make their announcement. Some may never announce. randys1, who claims to actually work for Bernie's campaign, may fall into the third category. I know I do. I will never post that something has made me switch from Bernie to Hillary.

[beam me up scottie]

119. It's pretty transparent.

One DUer announced she made the switch THREE times.

[merrily]

120. Which must mean supporters of Sanders were 3 times as bad to her.

Oh, the ignominy of it all!

[sabrina 1]

32. Bernie's supporters. There are literally millions of Bernie supporters and growing every day. That

particular talking point 'let's go after his supporters since we really can't attack him on the Issues', died a sad death almost as soon as it was sent out.

Is there any reason why Hillary's supporters hate Sanders and his supporters so much?

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. "Literally millions"? ...

How do you come to that number?

[Tommymac]

103. Bernie is a Movement. To discredit a Movement you must discredit it's supporters.

Otherwise, even in the unlikely event Bernie loses, the Movement still goes forward and grows like a snowball rolling downhill.

[AgingAmerican]

111. They fear him because he is genuine

His beliefs aren't guided by polls or focus groups. They come from core beliefs.

Hillary apparently has few core beliefs, instead relying on polling and others to figure out where she stands. She seems to have no instinct on the issues.

He goes by instinct, she goes by focus groups.

This drives her supporters to fits.

[onehandle]

2. 'this country has overcome racism' - Senator Sanders

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2014/11/19/365024592/sen-bernie-sanders-on-how-democrats-lost-white-voters

[beam me up scottie]

4. Out of context:

On African-American support for Democrats

Well, here's what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that's kind of natural. You've got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you've got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help.

He meant that the country over came racism enough to vote in the first black president.

[99th_Monkey]

22. This is so ridiculous. I mean, really. All this word-twisting context-be-damned.

Are we seeing the makings of the next David Brock hit piece here?

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[uponit7771]

71. Gas lighting does't work here

[beam me up scottie]

74. No it doesn't, that's why the truth in this op is upsetting the gaslighters.

[uponit7771]

75. Yeap, buh .. buh context !! As if we can't read his exact words

[beam me up scottie]

77. Well it helps when all of them are posted. I guess they must have run out of room.

[Eleanors38]

5. "...and voted for him (Obama) for president." Fixed now.

SEE: At your same source.

[think]

11. Do you understand the meaning of the term "Intellectual Dishonesty"?

[aidbo]

23. I do. But I'm going to pretend that I don't.

[Fairgo]

66. made me snicker

thanks

[uponit7771]

72. +1, You notice how many people are saying Sanders didn't say?

[beam me up scottie]

83. Gaslighting:

Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun, selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity.

Gaslighting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[HooptieWagon]

87. "Hard working white people" - Hillary Clinton

[hifiguy]

116. Just pathetic.

Even Nixon lied better than you do.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Some people think that lies and distortions are effective here.

That is really stupid. This is not a fox news audience. All it does is piss people off.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Some HC supporters' motto should be "We contort, you deride" too.

[daleanime]

53. That maybe the purpose.....

trying to get a few angry responses.

[beam me up scottie]

60. To try to get hides on our posts?

Very possible, it's not like they haven't tried it before.

[villager]

68. A game of "seek and hide, " I guess

... in contrast to the childhood original...

[beam me up scottie]

69. Very good!

[restorefreedom]

7. thanks, bmus!!

distortion and trickery are necessary when they have nothing substantive to criticize him for and when their own candidate has no policy worth standing on

kinda sad, really

[beam me up scottie]

8. My pleasure!

[Maedhros]

19. Love the avatar! [n/t]

[beam me up scottie]

21. Red Scare Bernie Minion is AWESOME.

[Maedhros]

29. It would be funny if we ALL started using the Red Scare Bernie Minion.[n/t]

[beam me up scottie]

30. I think so too!

I haven't had an avatar in years but I was inspired by the ignorance of people who don't know the difference between communism and democratic socialism!

[daleanime]

54. I'm tempted.....

but it would be hard to give up the princess.

[Paka]

65. And I don't want to give up my small but proud Bernie.

I'm not internet savvy enough to do all the other wonderful graphics with Bernie memes, so I stick with my Bernie avatar.

GO BERNIE!

[Autumn]

9. Some people like to say that Bernie thinks we've overcome racism.

Bless their hearts, they just try so hard.

[beam me up scottie]

13. They reached so far on that one they fell off the cliff.

[Uncle Joe]

10. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, beam me up scottie.

[beam me up scottie]

14. Don't mention it, Uncle Joe!

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Thank you.

The shit posted on this site by SCARED SHITLESS Hillary supporters is getting so deep...need to don boots before coming on here.

The crap is pretty pathetic and always posted by the same people.

In almost EVERY speech Bernie gives, he states (paraphrased) "We have gotten better, but we still have a lot of work to do." He has NEVER stated this country has rid itself of racism. Never, ever, ever.

[beam me up scottie]

15. Swift boating Bernie.

Some folks have no honour.

[Cali_Democrat]

31. This is interesting coming from you.

Aren't you the one who said Bernie should stop trying to jump through hoops for African Americans?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=525415

If the AA community doesn't need or want the help of the Progressive community, so be it. Good luck with your RWers! I hope Bernie stops trying to jump through hoops for them because nothing he does will ever satisfy them.

[leftofcool]

36. I believe she did say that.

Sanders is basically swiftboating himself. By the way, what did they call John Kerry. A flip flopper? Sounds like bernie is flip flopping on racial issues.

[Cali_Democrat]

45. Indeed. nt

[hueymahl]

115. Project Much?

Another pathetic attempted smear.

[Scootaloo]

38. Any news from your little birdie, Cali_Democrat?

And have you figured out the deep irony of your signature image yet?

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Oooooh! A gotcha post! "Useless White Supremacist Liberals" -- "racists"

After that hateful shit, damn right I said that. You can dish the dirt, but you sure can't handle when it's dished back.

No one calls me a "Useless White Supremacist Liberal" and "racist" and not expect a response and I don't care if you didn't like what I said. I don't like what you and your crew say on a daily basis, so we're even.

We've been told to "shut up, sit down, keep our mouths shut, listen and then still don't say a word" when being called racists and White Supremacists. Fuck that. You want to dish it, but expect it not to be dished back. Think again.

And your post has absolutely NOTHING to do with the OP about what YOU lied about in your thread. Quoting Bernie out of context. Real classy. Your desperation s showing.

[Cali_Democrat]

47. You dismissed the entire African American community.

Your words:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=525415

If the AA community doesn't need or want the help of the Progressive community, so be it. Good luck with your RWers! I hope Bernie stops trying to jump through hoops for them because nothing he does will ever satisfy them.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. "Racists" and "Useless White Supremacist Liberals"

In that vein, the entire AA community thinks White people are "racists" and "Useless White Supremacists" - two can play that game.

[senz]

78. Hang in there and don't let them bait you.

You can see what kind of people they are. They're beneath you.

[in_cog_ni_to]

92. Thanks, senz.

I know exactly what kind of people they are and I won't take their bait. They aren't worth getting banned and that's what they're trying to do with all the garbage they post. Bait, stalk and alert. Their Modus Operandi.

[senz]

93. Glad you can see it for what it is.

I find it difficult to watch people being mistreated.

[in_cog_ni_to]

94. And they thrive on it.

They're all sad, pathetic little people.

[senz]

76. Isn't this tactic getting a bit old? Taking words out of context? Twisting them?

Such practices don't fool anyone and just make the perpetrators look bad.

[NealK]

104. In post 83 upthread beam me up scottie gives a good definition of that tactic:

Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun, selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity.

Gaslighting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[senz]

106. Thanks, Neal.

I've learned in RL to avoid gaslighters and other abusive personalities like the plague.

[merrily]

20. npr is definitely doing a clumsy hatchet job on Bernie.

Two errors from Rehm, claiming they don't report on him because there is nothing newsworthy around him, the comment about Hillary running against herself and now this.

I have a diner rule: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128037667

[beam me up scottie]

26. Good post, I don't believe it's a mistake either.

[passiveporcupine]

35. Good Rule

[MindfulOne]

25. STOP WITH ALL THIS TRUTH HOW CAN I BE CRAZY ANGRY IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH!

Ahem. Pardon me, I suddenly channeled a Sanderphobic bunchwutter having a full abdominal pitifit!

[beam me up scottie]

27. Sorry, my bad. :)

[MisterP]

114. FACTS ARE A SIGN OF "FRAGILITY"

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OTOH I'm heartened that this mounting panic shows there's little prospect of Sanders's upward swing buckling or of a Biden run stealing his thunder--Sanders supporters are the likeliest to be a tad cynical about such a bacon-saving move, let alone his old-style politics (plus of course he's been a Senate arm-twister rather than an active member, most people on the street just know him as the "Amtrak guy" and maybe as a vocal IWR defender, and he'd enter a primary without having done any campaigning and with his son fresh-buried)

I'll add that that sort of baiting WORKS because bringing up Hillary and Sanders' records becomes a defensive move, a response to an accusation saying that progressives will try to resist being called racist because according to some academese everyone's racist even if they're not or something

[SixString]

33. K&R .

[beam me up scottie]

34. Thanks, SixString!

[leftofcool]

37. Nice try. Stick this over in the AA community and see if they agree.

[beam me up scottie]

39. Agree with what? That we are far from eradicating racism?

Who would disagree with that?

[Scootaloo]

43. Do you have doubts that African American posters here realize that we haven't overcome racism?

[bvf]

63. Uh..., what?

Are you lost?

[NealK]

105. Did you reply in the wrong thread?

Because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. The official Right Wing position is that racism doesn't exist anymore....

So all of those Affirmative Action "special advantages" need to be eliminated because they're hurting much more qualified white males.

Bush's Justice Department considered the only REAL racism was racism against white people.

[beam me up scottie]

42. And they repealed the voting rights act.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

48. They claimed the UNCF was racist too.

[beam me up scottie]

49. They have been busy trying to undo all of the progress that has been made.

Women's rights, lgbt rights, immigrants, no one is safe if we don't unite against the real enemy.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. Colombian Drug Lords?

Oh wait,...that was under Reagan.

[hifiguy]

41. Kickety rec.

The truth is what it is no matter what some trollish types think.

[beam me up scottie]

51. Yep, no arguing with facts.

They sure are trying though.

[marym625]

46. Kick to the heavens!

[LWolf]

55. Thank you. nt

[beam me up scottie]

58. You're welcome. :)

[senz]

56. Thanks for putting the truth out there, bmus. However

Bernie's critics don't give a damn whether he -- or "his supporters"-- are racist or not. The truth means nothing to them. They just hope AAs and other selected demographic groups will swallow their lies. They cynically use people of color without an ounce of concern for what happens to them. They care as much for AAs as they do for the truth, which is: not at all. They speak and act with total bad faith.

It may come back to bite them.

[beam me up scottie]

57. It is despicable to use minorities as political footballs.

But they did the same thing when Hillary ran against Obama in 2008 so I'm not surprised.

[sabrina 1]

59. No he doesn't. .

[Paka]

61. Thank you, beam me up scottie.

I did read that other ridiculous thread. Anyone who could infer he thinks we've overcome racism from what he says has a major reading comprehension issue.

[beam me up scottie]

67. You're welcome, Paka!

The truth always wins in the end, even if the lie has a head start.

[Snap the Turtle]

62. Was just alerted to that OP that spawned this OP

Here is the result. It was hidden.


On Tue Sep 29, 2015, 07:22 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Do you agree with Bernie Sanders when he says this country has overcome racism?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251633134

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a dishonest characterization of Bernie's view. It's flamebait and a lie.

No excuse for untruth-based threads on DU.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 29, 2015, 07:26 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree. Refer to beam me up scottie's link - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251633161 - Bernie did not say such thing.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Huh?
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the person who alerted on this post.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Intellectual dishonesty and flame bait.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Capt. Obvious]

64. DU Rec

[senz]

73. Wow. Completely dishonest.

A hatchet job based on a deliberate misreading of a positive comment by Bernie. It also insults his intelligence -- and the intelligence of DU members! What a shitty thing to do. I'm glad someone called them on it.

There seems to be quite a bit of that going around. Either some of these people are by nature the sort one ought to avoid -- or they are so worried about their candidate's falling poll numbers that they will do anything, anything at all, to undercut the opposition.

Am reminded of the Olympic ice skater who had her boyfriend strike her opponent's knee. Ethics and self-respect gone out the window.

[Enthusiast]

99. Ethics and self-respect gone out the window.

Yet somehow we are supposed to ignore this when we vote.

[NealK]

109. Interesting to see who recced that pile of manure.

And who voted for option 2. Most of these people are members at that DU-bashing site.

Like someone said in reply to the OP: "I think either you have terrible reading comprehension or bad intention."
It also applies to them.

[Fumesucker]

70. K&R

[Jack Rabbit]

79. K/R

[neverforget]

80. K & R BMUS!

Thanks!

[beam me up scottie]

85. You're very welcome, neverforget!

[bbgrunt]

81. k and r

[senz]

82. Getting disgusted with all this crap.

Some people deliberately try to be as ugly and abhorrent as possible. They stink the place up. Of course, they've said they don't like it here. If this is going to continue until the Primary, Skinner should invest in a caseload of site fresheners.

[beam me up scottie]

84. Don't let them get to you, senz, this is near the top of the greatest already.

And the night is still young.

Let it roll off your back.

[senz]

88. Okay, I need a little translation.

Does a thread move up to "the greatest" if it has a lot of replies?

I'm kind of tickled that you can read their crapola and just sort of play with it. In fact, you've got me laughing so hard the tears are flowing. Oh god laughter is the best thing. Reminds me of my ex who had a genius for making me laugh when I was really, really angry. Also brings to mind an Elvis Costello song "Well I used to be disgusted now I try to be amused ..."

Maybe that's the key. Less disgust, more amusement.

[beam me up scottie]

89. Threads on the Greatest are listed by number of recs.

I try to make it a point to rec a positive thread about Bernie every time I see a nasty post about him.

Laughing at the spin artists and bullies is the best revenge.

They want us to be miserable.

But it's not working ----

[senz]

91. Love that idea. Rec a positive thread in response to ugly stuff.

Wish I could rec your thread more than once.

But I have a feeling it might be better for some of us to stay away from ugly commenters and ugly threads -- or at least get away for awhile. Perhaps that's what the "ignore" option is for. I remember an H supporter who said she trashed positive Bernie threads. That seemed sick. Something's unhealthy over there.

Anyway, thanks for setting the record straight. It needs to be done, even though the worst don't care what's true. At least others will know.

[chknltl]

86. KnR... nuff said.

[840high]

95. Very strong K/R

[Live and Learn]

97. What confounds me is that Hillary supporters don't seem to realize that the country

willingly and happily voted for a black man over her. Why was that? Misogamy? No, Obama was the better candidate, He offered hope against the establishment.

She didn't. She still doesn't.

Game over.

[Enthusiast]

100. Best post award.

[raouldukelives]

101. +1 to that. nt

[beam me up scottie]

113. Exactly!

And the fact that most Bernie supporters were all in for Warren makes the claim that they won't support Hillary because of sexism even more absurd this time around.

[Enthusiast]

98. Kicked and recommended!

Bernie doesn't think we've overcome racism at all.

[libodem]

102. This is part of the reason

The cost of higher education is out of reach for many.

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[ancianita]

107. He shouldn't be the only Democratic candidate saying this, either.

[Autumn]

108. No he doesn't think we've overcome racism at all.

[beam me up scottie]

112. That's not stopping some from gaslighting him though.

According to them not only does he think we've overcome racism he hates immigrants too.

I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

[NealK]

110. K&R

[senz]

117. This thread is in the Greatest Threads list on the front page.

Don't know how long it's been there, but I think it's pretty cool.

[beam me up scottie]

118. Third from the top!

Thanks, senz!