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Now with some positive updates
Sanders campaign says pro-Palestine activists should never have been kicked out of Boston rally
They told us to either put the sign away or leave, Sana Hashmani, one of the student activists, told The Intercept, which first reported the incident. We asked why, and they said that Bernies campaign staff had said the sign had to go.
But Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver told Boston.com Monday night that the incident 100 percent should not have happened and that the staffer never should have asked the students to take the sign down.
Weaver said the individual, whom he described as a low-level volunteer, will no longer be working campaign events.
Weve communicated to our staff to make sure nothing like this happens again, he said.
Weaver also said he reached out to the three individuals asked to leave to let them know the incident should not have happened and to apologize on behalf on the campaign.
A cell phone video posted Sunday on YouTube by the Boston chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine shows an event staffer telling the activists that Sanders campaign staff had requested they take the sign down or leave.
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Statement by Boston Students for Justice in Palestine Regarding Ejection From Bernie Sanders Rally (excerpt)
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Thanks to the people who were giving these updates in the thread.
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You can stay but you have to put the sign away:
https://twitter.com/WillYaBern4Pal/status/651068449331015682/photo/1
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If all they were doing was holding up a sign, I don't see why they needed to be kicked out.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)surprised if there were plants among some of the campaign's volunteers and/or staffers. Nothing would surprise me, the dirty tricksters will stop at nothing to stop him.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I can say this won't sway my support, but I would like to know more about it.
It seems odd and not in keeping with his positions, at all.
I'm not going to work myself into a pretzel to defend it, but I doubt Sanders was aware of it, personally. If he was or wasn't, I hope he's made aware of this, if he didn't already know, and he explains the problem.
Maybe using a form of "burn" with Palestine? Maybe his handlers thought that was in bad taste? I really don't know.
elleng
(130,732 posts)to family!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Can you believe our boy is going to college in a bit more than two years? I'll FB pics.
elleng
(130,732 posts)Love to all!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)all, who was solely responsible for the incident.
We should thank him for taking that action.
There will be plants I'm sure among his staff and volunteers. This may or may not have been a plant but this was not the Campaign's decision.
And I'm glad they acted swiftly to get rid of that person.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)After seeing Bernie calling for dialogue between people who disagree at Liberty University, I can't imagine Bernie would have supported this.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)them. It was security and somebody who works "for the lawn" (state property -- the center and its grounds are owned by the state) and they threw them out for videotaping.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Also the more I think about it I realize this is only one side to the story.
We don't really know what they were doing with the sign inside.
These guys deserve to be heard but if they were disrupting then there is not much choice but to show them out.
But from all appearances they were there participating as supporters, which makes it a sad incident. I don't want anyone to get fired but maybe it should be talked about.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)the Palestinian people.
I'm going to guess, looking at the packed crowd in the convention center and overflow, that there simply wasn't room for a sign that clearly would have blocked numerous people from seeing.
And having now watched the video, the "no" was clearly to the sign, although I don't know why not on the lawn. Since we weren't party to any discussions, we don't know what the thinking was. But it was the state person who works "for the lawn" who decided they had to leave for videotaping when asked not to.
So I'd want to hear more about how it came about.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Bad move.
olddots
(10,237 posts)sooner than the trolls can go nuts with it .
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Unless it was too big and blocking the view of others?
Bernie welcomes dissent - unless people try to shout him down when he tries to answer their questions.
I'm sure he'll address their concerns.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)Bernie would have done that. I'm going to wait to hear more on this.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)any reason. This story and the link do not say which rally this is, so I can't check the venue or event rules but that is a large, large item. Even if it said 'Bernie Will Be President' it would probably be disallowed.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)This is Boston. In the video I can hear Bill McKibben speaking in the background.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Bernie's Foreign Policy, while MILES better than anyone else's who's running, isn't particularly praiseworthy.
I already expressed my displeasure about this incident to his campaign and I hope others will too.
He was ahead of his time many years ago when he supported a 2-state solution with full economic and political power for Palestine and I believe no other candidate will be better for Palestine, but this incident saddens me very much.
Glenn Greenwald tweeted an article from The Intercept about this:
They told us to either put the sign away leave, said Sana Hashmani, one of the student activists. We asked why, and they said thats Bernie campaign staff had said the sign had to go.
There had been no signs of trouble previously. The pro-Palestine group was doing nothing unusual except, perhaps, for daring to question Sanders about territories occupied by Israel, of which Sanders has been a not-entirely-progressive supporter. When we got there and entered the overflow space with our sign, people were supporting us and taking pictures, and other people had signs talking about various social issues as well, Hashmani said.
In a brief cell phone video of the incident, security staff can be seen threatening to arrest the students if they didnt leave the premises.
The Sanders campaign did not respond to request for comment about the incident.
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The way they reacted to us trying to bring up this issue was very aggressive, said Jose Govoy, one of the students ejected from the event. They singled out us, and didnt seem to want this issue to be brought up at all.
That view was echoed by Ibrahim Samirah, who said, We look up to Bernie Sanders on a lot of issues, but we dont want the same thing to happen where we believed that Barack Obama would meaningfully change foreign policy and nothing of that sort ended up occurring.
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/dissent-on-israel-not-permitted-at-bernie-sanders-event/
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)In the overflow space.
Thanks Catherina. I certainly agree Sanders is the best in the Democratic primary but this just makes me say yuck.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I plan to ask tomorrow when I'm not so mad.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It is by Murtaza Hussain.
Is there a different article by Glenn Greenwald on this?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)From the comments, Jeff Weaver
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/dissent-on-israel-not-permitted-at-bernie-sanders-event/?comments=1#comment-169442
It's not cool that the story went up without the including that information.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I hope there is an article that clears everything up tomorrow.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)The author posted this to his twitter 2 hours ago. Disappointing since the campaign manager's comment was before that but I can't tell how much before that lol.
Bernie Sanders campaign called me and made clear that the ejection of the SJP students was not campaign policy. Update soon.
https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/651225964832141312
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)That was weird because the story was changing very fast while we were talking about it.
Sorry for the interruption. You may now return to your scheduled revolutionary activities.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)At least we got ahead of the story before someone used it to "prove" Bernie doesn't care about *insert name of minority group here*.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)they should have been allowed to stay IMO.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Somebody goofed up on that one.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Every Sanders supporter in this thread disagrees with what happened and no one's lying or trying to paint it as anything other than what it was- an awful thing to do.
I'm really pleased about that.
Thankfully, we now know that the Sanders campaign was not behind this. I hope the apology is spread far and wide and that our Palestinian brothers, sisters, and supporters make their presence seen at future events because their voices matter too.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)I too was struck by the equanimity of the calls to hear these protesters message by Sanders supporters.
One thing is certain, the plight of Palestinians won't be discussed much at $2700 per plate events with Hillary.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)I'm in the middle of some things right now but I'll go check to see if there's anything new
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)how horrible that staffer behaved and acting accordingly.
We really do rock, don't we?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Bernie Sanders campaign says pro-Palestine activists should never have been kicked out of Boston rally
Excerpt:
But Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver told Boston.com Monday night that the incident 100 percent should not have happened and that the staffer never should have asked the students to take the sign down.
Weaver said the individual, whom he described as a low-level volunteer, will no longer be working campaign events.
Weve communicated to our staff to make sure nothing like this happens again, he said.
Weaver also said he reached out to the three individuals asked to leave to let them know the incident should not have happened and to apologize on behalf on the campaign.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/10/05/bernie-sanders-campaign-says-pro-palestine-activists-should-never-have-been-kicked-out-boston-rally/QbqJeTYKFi4shsKlgk9fPK/story.html?s_campaign=bcom%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I updated the OP
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)staff member will not be working events anymore. Sounds like swift action was taken.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thanks for the edit and the update!
The article that has been repeatedly posted here is despicable, claiming that no dissent of Israel is allowed at Bernie's rallies is absurd.