Bernie Sanders Terrifies The NRA With Consensus Plan To Reduce Mass Shootings

[Catherina]

Bernie Sanders Terrifies The NRA With Consensus Plan To Reduce Mass Shootings
By: Jason Easley
Monday, October 5th, 2015, 6:01 pm

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) became the NRA’s worse nightmare by announcing consensus steps that can be taken to lessen the number of mass shootings in the US.

In a statement, Sen. Sanders said:

Like the rest of the nation, I am appalled by gun violence in our country and the mass shootings in our churches and colleges,” Sanders said. “While there is no simple fix, that does not mean we should do nothing. The status quo clearly is not working and people on both sides of this issue cannot simply continue shouting at each other. Nobody wants more mass killings and serious people are going to have to engage in serious discussion.”

In my view, there are very concrete steps we can take to lessen the number of tragedies and to make those that happen less lethal, including ideas supported by a majority of gun owners.

Sanders went on to detail some of the steps:

– We must strengthen and better enforce the instant background check system.

– We must close the gun-show loophole, which allows unlicensed dealers to sell guns to people who otherwise would not be able to get them.

– We must make ‘straw man’ purchases a federal crime.

– We must ban semi-automatic assault weapons which are designed strictly for killing human beings.

– We must recognize that our mental health system is seriously broken. While there has been much talk about mental health parity in our health care system, we are not even close to achieving it. It’s past time for a serious discussion about identifying, intervening and treating mental illness and ensuring access to care.

The Sanders campaign also noted that their candidate has a (D-) rating from the NRA.

...

The worst nightmare of the NRA and others is that a political leader will emerge who can build a consensus on common-sense gun reforms. Bernie Sanders is a successful politician from a pro-gun state. Despite what Clinton supporters may want to believe, Sen. Sanders has never been a friend to the NRA.

What troubles the NRA most isn’t the idea of radical liberal boogeyman coming to take away all of the guns, that illusion is just a sales pitch that is designed to inspire fear and drive up sales. What really scares the NRA is the possibility of a national grassroots movement that forces changes that they can’t stop.

Bernie Sanders is building exactly the kind of movement that should scare the NRA. The revolution is growing, and it is being led by a politician who can’t be bought with gun industry dollars.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/10/05/bernie-sanders-terrifies-nra-consensus-plan-reduce-mass-shootings.html

[Thinkingabout]

1. Oh, really.

[ucrdem]

8. +1

[senz]

28. You don't like a comprehensive set of good workable solutions for gun violence?

Pity.

[sabrina 1]

37. Yeah, really! They lways hated him. Why do you think that is?

[NorthCarolina]

79. Because he's an EVIL SOCIALIST who wants to

PAY for Trumps kids to go to community college or a state college, you know, like rich kids everywhere do. Everybody else's kids too, but that's besides the point.

[Scootaloo]

46. .

[sabrina 1]

2. The NRA has always hated Bernie. Why?

The Corporate funded talking point lies about this.

Greenspan's Wife, lied about it today on National TV.

[ChiciB1]

5. Other MSNBC Hosts Did Too...

Don't know the names of the hosts of shows anymore, but many shows repeated what Andrea said. I just posted what Rachel did here too.

[cui bono]

82. Someone I work with just expressed concern about Bernie

due to NPR smearing him on guns as well. I don't know what they said, something about him being soft on gun regulation.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Wait, wut?

Didn't someone call Bernie a tool for the NRA today?

[sabrina 1]

38. Corporate funded TALKING POINTS have a way of getting around. The tools on the MSM

all repeat them, that's their job. But there are tools everywhere.

So much Corporate money to spend, I guess it trickles down?

[beam me up scottie]

39. There are indeed tools everywhere.

And the swiftboating of Bernie continues on DU.

[sabrina 1]

43. Yes, posting flame bait is one way of spreading the corporate lies. To neutralize that, we

need to NOT click the links of those known to do it. Let them die a natural death. The Corporate smear campaigners, see Brock and his minions, are organized. We are not, but we maybe should be. The first rule to destroy the talking points is to never go into their threads on the internet.

Kicking them is how they gain momentum.

[beam me up scottie]

44. I won't let the lies stand. I will continue to challenge them with facts.

[sabrina 1]

45. Not in their threads. In our own OPs. No one reads the comments, they read the headlines. They know

this so they churn them out depending on US to be so offended we can't resist kicking them.

Every time we see a corporate lie, start another thread and destroy it with the headline. Learn from them, they spend a lot of money to learn how to spread their lies.

THIS OP is the way to NOT let their lies stand.

Flood the internet with facts, using our headlines. When we kick theirs, their mission is accomplished.

[Waiting For Everyman]

72. ^^^YES^^^

Couldn't agree more, that is a much better strategy than kicking nasty flame baited lies.

Starve the garbage.

If anything, all it needs is one person to post a link to the thread where the real discussion is.

[sabrina 1]

81. Yes, I won't kick Corporate Funded Talking Points. You know that's what they are when the whole crew

of usual suspects keeps repeating them.

If it's just a thought a person had, you'll see it once or twice.

But when it's coordinated with the media and blog posts etc, there is no doubt it's a very expensive Talking Point.

I want them to waste their money.

And we can always use the Talking Points to raise money for Bernie.

Brock managed to raise over one million for Bernie. He's not very bright, even as a dirty trickster he's a spectacular failure! Lol.

But that was brilliant, WE got to use that dirty money to help Bernie raise over a million.

[ChiciB1]

4. But MSNBC Has Been Hawking How Bernie Is A HUGE

NRA supporter. From listening to callers into Thom Hartmann and posts here, they've spent the day saying in one way or another that he voted with the NRA on some issues. But there are several posts where these votes were explained very clearly and why he voted the way he did. "merrily" started a thread earlier today talking about Andrea Mitchell who began the meme.

Just a few minutes ago Rachel Maddow just pumped up BOTH O'Malley and Clinton about their proposals now, and actually saying Bernie isn't the liberal when it comes to gun control. Even Rachel!!! MSNBC doing what they can to keep Bernie down! But hey, I'm not surprised. Only checked to see what Rachel had to say, but don't watch MSNBC anymore.

AND, she too has swallowed the pill, at least on THIS one!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

9. That saddens me. Rachel is drinking the Kool-Aid!

[sabrina 1]

40. Rachel wants to keep her job. After what happened to Keith and now Ed,

she knows the score I guess. I haven't watched MSNBC more than a couple of times, since Keith left.

[think]

10. Chris Matthews threw out a gun slam about Bernie tonight too.

[Dustlawyer]

16. Sounds like MSNBC is doing the all day talking point thing that comedians have ridiculed

Fox about for years. They would show a succession of show hosts saying virtually the same bogus talking point all day long pointing out how ridiculous it sounds. The problem is that this tactic is propaganda 101! Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true in the minds of the viewers. It's really sad, but not surprising that we have let our country fall so far.

The campaign donations corrupted politicians more and more as the wealthy became more coordinated during the Reagan era. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce started focusing on the local and state races where a little money would go a long way. They did the same with judicial elections to stack the decks with conservative jurists who owed them big favors. After the Walter Cronkite era they walked Dan Rather and put in mouthpieces who would say and focus on whatever their corporate bosses told them to tell us the truth was as long as the checks were big and kept coming. They get a Forida Court of Appeals to overturn a verdict against Fox for lying to protect a big corporation by saying Fox News isn't news, it's "entertainment" so lie all you want! The FCC is a doormat run by industry and these media conglomerates have been allowed to consolidate to the point that almost everything we see and hear on television and radio comes from 5 or 6 companies.

Whatever law is needed, or I should say is wanted by industry becomes a reality. If they don't want it to the trash heap it goes! This is why I cannot understand Hillary voters who call themselves Democrats, Progressives, or Liberals, they are none of these. They are either victims of the propaganda or defeatists who give up without ever even trying! Bernie is our chance, our hope of a better country, a better life. We will never break free of corporate control unless at some point we try, this is that point for me and evidently millions of other Americans too!

Feel the Bern!!!

[questionseverything]

20. well said

plus 1

[sabrina 1]

41. Well they got rid of all their Left hosts to get ready for the election. Did the same to get ready

for the Iraq War.

[senz]

29. MSNBC is owned by Comcast and GE

The oligarchs do not like Senator Sanders and will do what ever they can to stop him.

[slipslidingaway]

6. knr n/t

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. Well, he'll get the usual pushback from the 'responsible gun owners'

about how 'assault weapon' is a meaningless term, but who cares? Good for him.

[Gore1FL]

11. We have consensus on common sense gun laws.

They are supported by 90% of the country and 70% of gun owners.

Getting congress out of the pocket of the NRA is what is required now.

[hack89]

17. We have consensus on UBCs

Not much beyond that.

[Thespian2]

12. K & R!!!

Don't worry, Catherina...some 1%ers will go to extremes to "prove" that Bernie is just another gun-nut...

[Uncle Joe]

13. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Catherina.

[msongs]

14. require liability insurance on all guns nt

[beam me up scottie]

15. Okay HOLD THE FORT PEOPLE.

Where are all the folks who were DEMANDING that Bernie address the gun issue?

All those threads and nasty posts about him being a gun nut, a tool for the NRA, etc.

Why haven't they kicked and/or rec'd this thread?

Could it be that they don't care about the gun problem at all and are just exploiting it to help their candidate?

Say it ain't so, Joe!

[senz]

30. Speaking truth there, bmus. Just like the Senator from Vermont. ;-)

[beam me up scottie]

32. Heya, senz!

Good to see you here!

[senz]

34. Back atcha.

It's nice to be here. A lot nicer than in the Ed Snowden thread today...

[beam me up scottie]

35. I'm glad I missed that. :(

[senz]

36. Yeah.

People have a way of living up to their reputations.

I wanted to ask you, as a former Vermonter (Bernie calls them something else, but I can't remember what it is), what you think of this article:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/12/the-populist-prophet

I think it's an attempt to paint a neutral portrait of him, neither laudatory nor damning, but wondered if it would be considered accurate and fair to someone who knows more about him. It's fairly long and interesting.

[deadlinetony]

57. Truth trumps the propaganda every time.

And yes, Clinton supporters are intentionally ignoring this because they don't have any idea on what to counter it, and are waiting for the HillBeam™ for new instructions. beam me up scottie - I would include it to your respository to counter lies about guns.

[hack89]

18. "Terrified "?

there are no politicians that terrify the NRA. They haven't lost a political fight in 20 years.

[NanceGreggs]

31. But everyone is "terrified" of Bernie!

The media, the bankers, the corporations, the 1%, the Hillary camp, the O'Malley camp - everyone!

... oh, and especially his Congressional colleagues - they're all too "terrified" to give him a single endorsement.

[Major Hogwash]

55. Yes, especially those who have bought our government for the last 35 years!!

Bought and paid for.
Oh, sure, they threw us a couple of scraps every once in awhile, but the majority got nothing while the 1% WASPs raked in most of the chips.

[workinclasszero]

70. It is funny how everybody is terrified of Bernie

Strange way to run a campaign seems like but....

[rhett o rick]

80. That's the point. It's time to stop the quid pro quo that Wall Street is used to. Goldman-Sachs

thinks they can buy Clinton the WH. Either Clinton or Bush, Goldman-Sachs doesn't care. They got money on both.

[Major Hogwash]

54. Yes, terrified!

They are so terrified they are wetting their pants at this very minute over the prospect of a President Sanders.

The KKK ain't too damned happy about it, either!

[hack89]

56. And what will Bernie do

That HRC won't do?

[MisterP]

19. what *70% of NRA members* would want would floor even a lot of the DUers here

[ErikJ]

21. I just got a call from the NRA asking for $50 donation

to fight the House Bill 2546 which would require gun buyers to have liability insurance. It seems they always call right after a gun massacre. I said no thanks and hung up. I'm not even an NRA member but like to keep up with their propaganda.

[SandersDem]

22. If anybody thinks

that the NRA would back any Democrat willingly over a Republican they are just off their rockers. If there is a D only race, they will of course take a D- over an F any day. The NRA can kiss my a**.

This is a good response by a good candidate. Basically, the HRC campaign tipped their hand going into the debates. There's some desperation there as I am certain their internal polling is putting the campaign squarely into holy shit territory...and then there is Joe.

Before the debates, get ready for the TPP question and be prepared to throw it right back at HRC on that, HER deadline is coming to stand up FOR or AGAINST and I know we can all see the wet finger sticking up into the air here.

Who voted to go into Iraq and who didn't and how many people died because of THAT decision?

I will not ever get past that decision.

Probably shouldn't post this here, and just stay safe in my Bernie Group haven, but what the heck...let the flames begin.

[NobodyHere]

23. My former Democratic representative (John Dingell) got an A+ from the NRA

So the NRA will support Dems

[SandersDem]

24. Dems in sheep's clothing

but yes, you are correct, but only when they have no clear alternative.

[frazzled]

25. It's terrifyingly ...

identical to what the majority of Democrats, including the current president of the United States, have been saying for years. So why would it terrify the NRA now?

[moobu2]

42. It's just a psychological technique Bernie Sanders uses to manipulate gullible people

He uses the exact same formula in all his speeches...google 'crowd manipulation'

[neverforget]

48. Wtf? Is he some sort of Manchurian Candidate now?

I gotta give it to you, crowd manipulation is a new one from the Bernie haters.

[beam me up scottie]

49. Right?

I keep expecting that poster to say "You know who else believed in manipulating crowds?" and then break Godwin's law.

[neverforget]

50. I guess it goes with the red scare posts

because, you know, all us Bernie supporters are his "fellow travelers".

[beam me up scottie]

51. And the cult meme. I wonder what the talking point will be next week?

[neverforget]

52. Cult, guns, gay marriage, socialist! ooga booga!, minorities, can't win,

war monger, ineffectual, old.....repeat as necessary until the horse is beaten to a pulp and rises from the dead like a zombie.

[beam me up scottie]

53. I can barely see through the clouds of blowflies in here some days.

Those dead horses are stinking up the joint, too.

[deadlinetony]

58. Yeah, and I recently saw an thread (I can't find it now) with an interesting article

that talked about Bernie's on time status vs Hillary's being 50minutes to 1 hour late to all of her events.

If you can find that thread, let me know, so I can update it with the link. It was rather revealing on how little respect she shows for her voters.

[moobu2]

59. Bernie is a life long professional politician

he's practiced speaking techniques, hand gestures, body language, vocalizations and the psychology of manipulating large crowds, there's no doubt about that. Every single thing Bernie Sanders says is calculated and very well thought out and it's meant to trigger certain behaviors. Did you think Bernie Sanders was the first politician able to get large crowds worked up into a frenzy?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crowd manipulation is the intentional use of techniques based on the principles of crowd psychology to engage, control, or influence the desires of a crowd in order to direct its behavior toward a specific action.[1] This practice is common to politics and business and can facilitate the approval or disapproval or indifference to a person, policy, or product. The ethicality of crowd manipulation is commonly questioned.
Crowd manipulation differs from propaganda although they may reinforce one another to produce a desired result. If propaganda is "the consistent, enduring effort to create or shape events to influence the relations of the public to an enterprise, idea or group",[2] crowd manipulation is the relatively brief call to action once the seeds of propaganda (i.e. more specifically "pre-propaganda"[3]) are sown and the public is organized into a crowd. The propagandist appeals to the masses, even if compartmentalized, whereas the crowd manipulator appeals to a segment of the masses assembled into a crowd in real time. In situations such as a national emergency, however, a crowd manipulator may leverage mass media to address the masses in real time as if speaking to a crowd.[4]

[neverforget]

60. Lol! Bernie Derangement Syndrome to the nth degree.

[moobu2]

61. So Bernie Sanders hasn't been a professional politician for 1/4 century?

watch several of his speeches, especially the hand gestures and catch phrases. It's all well rehearsed to appeal to people who dont know any better. It's so obvious once you understand what he's doing.

[neverforget]

62. That's quite the conspiracy theory you have there.

What's the end game with his speeches?

[moobu2]

64. What any professional politicians end game is.

to get themselves elected.

[neverforget]

66. What's Hillary then if not a "professional politician"?

[moobu2]

67. I'm fine with Hillary and president Obama and whoever changing their positions

if it means they can move the country towards a more progressive agenda and pick liberal federal judges and stuff. I'm not looking for a savior figure. Bernie Sanders is too ideologically rigid to be successful so he will never be the nominee or potus. If he were it would be a total disaster.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Yep.

So much rage towards a Senator who fought for our rights for decades.

[neverforget]

71. It's a unique attack though, I'll give the poster that.

[SmittynMo]

26. This is part of the

revolution. I'm ready. It's what a majority of what people want. Right? Bernie is our representative, which he has promised from day 1. Enough is enough. Here comes Bernie. Look out!!!

Let the revolution begin/continue.

[pipoman]

27. well...

– We must strengthen and better enforce the instant background check system. 

Yep.

– We must close the gun-show loophole, which allows unlicensed dealers to sell guns to people who otherwise would not be able to get them. 

This will not happen at the federal level. The reason private, intrastate sales were exempted since 1994 Brady act was because of the commerce clause....it still can not happen federally...states can require them.

– We must make ‘straw man’ purchases a federal crime. 

They already are a federal crime. Come on Bernie.

– We must ban semi-automatic assault weapons which are designed strictly for killing human beings. 

Can't happen. Tried, failed.

– We must recognize that our mental health system is seriously broken. While there has been much talk about mental health parity in our health care system, we are not even close to achieving it. It’s past time for a serious discussion about identifying, intervening and treating mental illness and ensuring access to care.

Yep to all that too...

[senz]

33. I love Bernie's well thought-out, comprehensive approach to solving problems.

He will be an excellent President of the United States.

[sabrina 1]

47. Bernie is terrifying the Corporate entities that control this country.

[MrMickeysMom]

63. And THAT is just a little too concerning for some here...

Personally, I'd be thrilled to have a Democratic candidate who gets a "D-" from the NRA, who by the way is the real terrorist in America.

Somebody like Bernie Sanders comes up with ideas to reduce the insane numbers of violent gun related deaths that aren't brand new... but long ignored, and THAT is a bitter pill for some to swallow here.

Yesiree, it sure is.

[Eleanors38]

65. As I predicted, Hillary/MSM would return to the gunz issue...

MSM is already backing Hillary, and they have been almost pristine agitprop for gun bans; it's a natural fit. I bet Mediamatters and its armed bodyguards pushed this meme.

I can go along with some of Bernie's proposals, though banning semi-autos "designed to kill" is fatuous and unworkable on its face. The "gun show loophole" is rather meaningless, unless there is a serious attempt to regulate individual, non-FFL sales. But I have supported controllers for office before, and Sanders is the best of the lot.

Curious, but Hillary is using a tactic employed by Fiorina: Blowing the biggest mistruth about a subject and benefitting thereby. Carly told a whopper about Planned Parenthood, and got a boost. Hillary ripped a stinker about gun manufacturers being singularly exempt from lawsuits. No, Ms. Clinton, you got it backwards. You want to carve out a special status for gun manufacturers to be sued when other products ARE NOT subject to that status.

It's a whopper of Fiorina proportions, but she saw it work.

[Catherina]

69. +1 n/t

[floriduck]

73. I would go further.

put serial numbers or codes on shell casings to track where and when purchased. Register guns and require insurance. Eliminate semi-automatic weapons. That's scratching the real surface. There's nothing in the second amendment preventing any of those requirements.

[Kang Colby]

74. Bernie voted for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act

His vote took a powerful tool out of the gun control arsenal - frivolous lawsuits. I'm very pro gun, and while I plan to support Hillary, Bernie got this issue correct.

[solar Max]

75. Not all Shootings are Mass

Boy, 11, accused of killing 8-year-old girl with shotgun
USA Today Network WBIR-TV, Knoxville, Tenn. 9:13 a.m. EDT October 6, 2015

WHITE PINE, Tenn. — An 11-year-old boy is charged with murder after he fatally shot his 8-year-old neighbor, police said, and neighbors say it was because the girl wouldn't let him see her dog.

Deputies were called to White Pine on Saturday night where they found MaKayla Dyer on the ground with a gunshot wound to the chest. She was taken to a hospital, where she later died.

Jefferson County Sheriff Bud McCoig said the boy, who has been charged as a juvenile, used his father's 12-gauge single-shot shotgun to shoot and kill the girl from inside his house.

Police have not disclosed a motive, but neighbors said the boy shot the MaKayla, who was outside, from his bedroom.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/06/boy-11-charged-murder-girl-8/73433082/

Via the Detroit Free Press

[Hoyt]

76. Doesn't go far enough, but banning assault style weapons will cool down the market for gunz.

That is meaningful.

Gotta admit, it would be nice to ruin the investment of all those gun fanciers who hoped to make a killing off investing in ARs.

Sanders is a little late with this.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

77. Bernie is Hillary's worst nightmare not the NRA

this is the one issue that Hillary thought she could get Bernie on.

[PatrynXX]

78. NRA is not pro hunting

Bit of a difference.. heck I'm not even sure they are pro Rifles