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Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:03 PM Oct 2015

Meet Bernie Sanders: Where the Black Voter Fits Into His Ambitious Plan.

Last edited Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)

EBONY.COM: And where does the African American voter fit into that plan?
Bernie has good explanation

I like Bernie because he proposes ways to solve dire problems:

"We are currently spending about $80 billion to keep people in jail. This is why I have worked with Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) on a $5 billion jobs program geared to young people especially in those areas where unemployment has excelled...."

Read more at:

http://www.ebony.com/news-views/meet-bernie-sanders-where-the-black-voter-fits-into-his-ambitious-plan#axzz3nopmkln5

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Meet Bernie Sanders: Where the Black Voter Fits Into His Ambitious Plan. (Original Post) Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 OP
Good read. Thanks for posting. nt Snotcicles Oct 2015 #1
Yes people should read it Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #2
K & R. There are very good points made in the article, esp. about some appalachiablue Oct 2015 #3
He's real Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #4
There's only one black voter? MineralMan Oct 2015 #5
yes they do Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #8
knr thx n/t slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #6
Sanders changes wording but not the mindset. If 100% of blacks had a WELL PAYING job blacks would uponit7771 Oct 2015 #7
Did you read the article? thesquanderer Oct 2015 #9
"need to look" means nothing, its filler words for " I don't have an answer to". Commit legislation uponit7771 Oct 2015 #11
Well, it was a short piece... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #14
Feel the Bern has some good information too jfern Oct 2015 #16
Thanks Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #18
"Need to look at" means it needs to be addressed AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #21
I think Bernie wants to be effective. Vattel Oct 2015 #10
This is wrong on its face... it IS a color thing... I can understand how some can't relate but uponit7771 Oct 2015 #13
So economic opportunities for AA teens are bad? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #22
That's not what Sanders is saying jfern Oct 2015 #12
agreed, this is the first time I'm hearing him say its a color thing. The color thing has to be... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #15
It's not new for Sanders to say that racism should be addressed jfern Oct 2015 #17
It is new for sanders to say it should be addressed PRIMARLY and not as part of an economic plan uponit7771 Oct 2015 #26
Capitalist reactionaries of all stripes are unable to grasp... AOR Oct 2015 #19
Racial ineuqlaities in economic and educational opportunity Vattel Oct 2015 #25
I'm absolutely puzzled Aerows Oct 2015 #24
kick jfern Oct 2015 #20
Excellent article. Aerows Oct 2015 #23

appalachiablue

(41,124 posts)
3. K & R. There are very good points made in the article, esp. about some
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:52 PM
Oct 2015

challenges Bernie faces like visibility, but also how He Is Not A Quitter. For real!

Go Bernie!

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
4. He's real
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:38 PM
Oct 2015

nobody owns sections of the population (like some candidates think they do). Voters will realize soon that Bernie is the real deal and does not use people for his own ends - like some do. He does actually care about people.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
5. There's only one black voter?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:16 PM
Oct 2015

Could have fooled me. Silly, but black voters and other people of color decide their votes individually, just like the rest of us. The polls show that, too. Candidates err if they think there's a special way to get those votes.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
7. Sanders changes wording but not the mindset. If 100% of blacks had a WELL PAYING job blacks would
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:25 PM
Oct 2015

... still be over represented in jails because we have a judiciary that doesn't represent America in any degree.

Its 95% white male and... like all humans do... have their own bias's...

If Americas judiciary was 95% black and blacks had power in the categories whites did then whites wouldn't fair any better in representation in jails.

Come on Bernie, attack the source... a judiciary that rules harder against blacks AND BROWNS than against whites

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
9. Did you read the article?
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:45 PM
Oct 2015

He also says

We need to take a hard look at the war on drugs and the number of non-violent offenders who end up getting their lives destroyed by going to prison. We need to look at mandatory minimum sentencing and give judges more flexibility when there are issues of drug abuse or addiction.


and about a BLM topic,

It speaks again for the need for criminal justice reform in a very significant way.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
11. "need to look" means nothing, its filler words for " I don't have an answer to". Commit legislation
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:57 PM
Oct 2015

... that looks at the sentences of blacks and browns from the beginning to end for instance.

A second look for the over represented and the under helped in court

just off the top of my head

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
14. Well, it was a short piece...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:02 PM
Oct 2015

...but at least he did talk about looking at these issues other than strictly from an economic perspective, which is what I was trying to say in response to your post. He actually does provide more detail on his web site:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
10. I think Bernie wants to be effective.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015

I doubt bias in the judiciary has even 1/1000th of the impact on mass incarceration of blacks that lack of economic opportunity has.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
13. This is wrong on its face... it IS a color thing... I can understand how some can't relate but
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:01 PM
Oct 2015

... people in America have been tought that different is deficient .... its a human condition.

There are rich blacks with all oppurtunity and affluence who are treated no different than poor blacks.

The judges and police don't care how much money you have in the bank.

I'm sure they're trying to do their best, but self reflection is kinda hard on systems that are already overloaded

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
22. So economic opportunities for AA teens are bad?
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:32 AM
Oct 2015

Cuz they aren't a cure all for all social ills? They have never been offered as a cure-all for anything. Only Hillary supporters have been saying that. Not Sanders. What is Hillary doing about the prison problem, besides collecting money from them? Anything?

jfern

(5,204 posts)
12. That's not what Sanders is saying
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:59 PM
Oct 2015
EBONY.COM: Is it clear as to why Black Lives Matter is more significant than All Lives Matter?

SEN. SANDERS: Yes, particularly when I think about the case of Sandra Bland from a few months ago. Clearly if Sandra Bland, who was a middle class Black woman, had been a middle class White woman, it is unlikely that the police would have treated her in the same way. It’s unimaginable [what happened to her] but it’s a reality that has absolutely got change.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
15. agreed, this is the first time I'm hearing him say its a color thing. The color thing has to be...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:04 PM
Oct 2015

... addressed FIRST then the economics.

What are a bunch of rich black folk going to do but spend money suing and litigating a fucked up system

Sandra Bland was middle class ... that made no difference

jfern

(5,204 posts)
17. It's not new for Sanders to say that racism should be addressed
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:13 PM
Oct 2015

Here's what he said the day before the first BLM protest.

And like everybody in this room, I want to see an America where when young black men walk down the street, they will not be harassed by police officers.


And he was the first Presidential candidate to say her name.

But he has listened, and improved his message and platform since then

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
26. It is new for sanders to say it should be addressed PRIMARLY and not as part of an economic plan
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:45 PM
Oct 2015

... that gives people an equal economic footing.

Sanders to this day still believes an equal economic footing would take care of a good portion of the issues of racism colored folk face.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
19. Capitalist reactionaries of all stripes are unable to grasp...
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:43 PM
Oct 2015

the role that capitalist social relations, the capitalist power structure (which is in fact all about the money and economics), and class plays in racism, police brutality, and the criminal justice system. It's really very sad and there will be ZERO solutions until the role that capitalism, ruling class economics, and class plays in institutionalized racism is addressed.

It's even sadder that some here feel the need to defend themselves against reactionary bullshit thinking like you and a few others here have provided in your posts. People are actually stammering to agree that racism and police brutality can be addressed in any meaningful way without regards to capitalist social relations, economic justice, and class analysis. At this point it's beyond laughable.

The hidden agendas to defend capitalism, the status quo of having a ruling class, and personal political and economic comfort zone, while claiming to be outraged by and fighting against institutionalized racism and police brutality are very clear to any actual leftist paying attention.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
25. Racial ineuqlaities in economic and educational opportunity
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:48 AM
Oct 2015

kill way more blacks than racist cops do. Both are serious problems. There is absolutely no reason, though, for economics to be addressed second. They can be addressed simultaneously.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. I'm absolutely puzzled
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:37 AM
Oct 2015

why any self-described Democrat would be counter to Bernie Sanders.

It makes no sense to me.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
23. Excellent article.
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 12:35 AM
Oct 2015

Thank you for posting this.

Some folks want to frame Bernie Sanders as though he is firing a gun and wearing white sheets.

It disgusts me that fellow Democrats sink that low.

As you say, we have a bunch of issues in our country that are far more important than hurting Wayne LaPierre's feelings or Sarah Palin's feelings.

We need a person to step up to the damn plate, and Bernie is right there, ready to smack the ball out of the park.

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