Hillary: Was For It "Before She Was Against It": TPP TRADE DEAL!

[KoKo]

Hillary Clinton comes out against TPP trade deal
Departure from the Clinton legacy
It's also a departure from the Clinton legacy: It was President Bill Clinton who, two decades ago, signed the first mega-regional pact: the North American Free Trade Agreement.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership was sold by the Obama administration as a way to right NAFTA's mistakes -- particularly by adding chapters requiring improved labor conditions and implementing environmental standards in the countries involved in the deal.

It was also the economic underpinning of the so-called "pivot to Asia" that Clinton had championed as America's top diplomat.But the deal is strongly opposed by liberals -- particularly labor unions that fear it would cause the United States to bleed more jobs and wages to countries that pay workers less.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has highlighted his opposition to the deal on the Democratic presidential campaign trail. And a liberal icon, Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, has hammered its inclusion -- like most other trade deals -- of a provision that would allow companies to challenge whether countries' laws and regulations live up to their international trade commitments.

Former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley,her Democratic rival in the presidential race who came out against the TPP earlier this year, quickly blasted Clinton's comments.
"Wow, that's a reversal," he said in Washington. "I believe we need to stop stumbling backwards into bad trade deals and Secretary Clinton can justify her own reversal of opinion on this, but I can tell you that I didn't have one opinion eight months ago and switch that opinion on the eve of debates."

Sanders also took a shot at Clinton for waiting to take a position on the deal.

"To be very frank with you, it would have been more helpful to have her on board a few months ago," he said -- a reference to June, when congressional Democrats were attempting to block trade promotion authority legislation that greased the wheels for the the deal's passage on Capitol Hill.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/hillary-clinton-opposes-tpp/index.html

[Cleita]

1. I'll accept it as a better late than never. At least she's getting pulled

in the right direction. I'm still voting for Bernie though.

[KoKo]

3. But, Cleita, How do we know she won't "Sell Us Out" once President?

She constantly "Flip Flops" on her Positions and it appears she did this Before the Debate where she would be consistent with her fellow Debaters?

How could ANYONE TRUST HER? She stole Bernie Sanders and O'Mally's Positions to make herself seem more to the LEFT of Dem Party when we ALL KNOW (who've been here for years on DU) that she is very different in her views from either Sanders or O'Malley?

[Cleita]

6. She might sell us out once she gets the throne, but at least I hope she doesn't. eom

[KoKo]

7. Why do you Trust Her?

I'm open to listening....

[Cleita]

25. I don't trust her. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt just in case she becomes

Madam President. I have to have hope or I might as well shoot myself.

[KoKo]

37. Okay...no problem..

I think many of us are exasperated with the political Crazies these days.... so

[davidpdx]

32. Good point, but it won't matter if TPP is passed

The next president won't be able to stop it. The rabbit hole has already swallowed us and belched out what is left.

[davidpdx]

33. I don't

I think had she opposed it before the fast track vote she could have influenced some of the people in Congress. It is pretty much a done deal now with the massive lobby that will happen to push it through. Too little, too late.

[napi21]

2. You will recall she said just a short time ago "U will wait until

I seer what's in the final agreement, and make a decision on it." That's exactly what she did.

[KoKo]

5. You think she read hundreds or thousands of pages of that Secret Trade Agreement

in 24 Hours?

Even our Congress Critters couldn't read it ....and remember the Agreement is Secret and can't be revealed in Full until Four Years have Passed and along the way Access was Restricted to the US House and Senate Members who had to go into a closed room...not allowed to take notes...and Staffers were subjected to Background Checks and other TSA type of stuff to get in their to report BACK to their House & Senate Employers to try to get the latest inclusions from Select Senate and House Members who were WRITING THE FUCKING POS TRADE BILL!

It has been a Corporate Written and Approved FIASCO to sell us Workers down the River! Like NAFTA under Bill Clinton.

[ForwardMotion]

4. Hillary is right to set a high bar for trade agreements.

America relies heavily on trade.

[emulatorloo]

8. Honestly, I don't appreciate your smear of John Kerry.

I will admit to being in a bad mood today, but we all remember how the right-wing noise machine took Kerry's statement and twisted it to mean something other than what he actually said. As a Democrat, I am not going to embrace right-wing memes against Kerry to score points against HRC.

[betsuni]

34. Yes, it's Flip-Flopper II. Right wing nonsense. Press picks it up and runs with it, idiots follow.

Do people want a G.W. Bush? Colbert: "The greatest thing about this man is he's steady. You know where he stands. He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday."

[slipslidingaway]

9. "To be very frank with you, it would have been more helpful to have her on board a few months ago"nt

[KoKo]

11. Very True!

Where WAS HILLARY in that VOTE that pushed Fast Track for TPP and then the Vote that allowed it to go forward.

Given the Dems did try to hold it back....but, in the end it was a Cave In.

Where WAS HILLARY..... Oh..no...she shows up Just before the First Dem Debate? When her two "Declared Opponents" were Against it Before Her?

Yeah...it's just "Politics" with Hillary....Let's just Ignore This!

[slipslidingaway]

17. Sometimes, without knowing all the minute details, one must decide if they might be for something ..

or against something.

Guess I would call that instinct, on the surface and at the moment, is it right or wrong. Should I give this idea pause and state objections, so it might become a better deal and give more time for facts to emerge, or just stay silent.

IMHO you do not get the best deal by being silent. You might invade another country and cause instability in the region by being too hasty and not raising questions. If you are going to raise objections, then one should not wait too long. JMHO.

[KoKo]

12. Duplicate glitch..

[NuclearDem]

10. I wonder where I've heard that phrasing before...

I have an inkling feeling it was used to attack another Democrat recently.

Oh well, it'll come toREPUBLICANSMEARATTACKONJOHNKERRY me eventually.

[procon]

13. The OP's title, while sensational, is an illogical assertion.

As Secretary of State, Clinton, just like any other Cabinet official under every previous administration, served at the pleasure of the president. Her job was to carry out Obama's policies, not interject her own opinions or countermand his goals. Now that Clinton is a free agent and no longer under the direction of the president, she can make her own decisions and voice her opinions as needs be.

To make the feckless claim that, "she was for it before she was against it" is at best duplicitous and misleading. It serves no other purpose than an effort to deliver a petty gibe at the candidate you oppose and her supporters, assuming of course, that they also do not to know how our government works.

[Uncle Joe]

15. How long has Hillary been a "free agent?" n/t

[Uncle Joe]

14. Hillary was for it when they were passing fast track authority in the Congress, it's unlikely to be

stopped having passed that hurdle.

They first turned on their own party's president when he joined with Republican congressional leaders to push a measure called "trade promotion authority" in June. That legislation -- key to getting other countries to sign off on a final agreement -- allowed Obama to seal the deal and send it to lawmakers for an up-or-down vote with no amendments.

Clinton dismissed that bill as procedural, and said she'd weigh in on the deal once it became final.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/hillary-clinton-opposes-tpp/index.html

Hillary was just promoting bullshit about the bill as being nothing but "procedural" as if that meant nothing, it's far more than that as fast track authority makes passing the TPP much easier than without it.

Fast-track, or trade promotion authority, will allow the White House to send trade deals to Congress for up-or-down votes. The Senate will not be able to filibuster them, and lawmakers will not have the power to amend them.

The expedited process, which lasts until 2018 and can be extended until 2021, greatly increases Obama’s chances of concluding negotiations on the TPP, which is a top goal of the president’s.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/246035-senate-approves-fast-track-sending-trade-bill-to-white-house

Thanks for the thread, KoKo.

[INdemo]

16. That was back when she was a moderate

Now she is a progressive liberal.
Don't believe me Just ask Hillary and the WaPO

[aspirant]

18. Now is time to put her to the test.

All of her congressional endorsers that voted yes for fast track should be personally visited by Hillary and publicly state they are now voting NO to TPP.

If she doesn't bring the no votes forward we know that this isn't sincere.

[MindfulOne]

19. K/r

This one needs love:

OS called out a hater, might leave DU.

Fuck that.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/11177921

[Divernan]

35. Stop stating OS might leave DU!

I realize you're relatively new, but OS is one of the strongest posters on DU, not some shy violet repairing to his fainting couch! Why do you keep scattering around these claims that "OS might leave DU"? Is that claim anything but your own projection?

[AtomicKitten]

20. Her record is clear.

45 times Secretary Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/

Cables Show Hillary Clinton's State Department Deeply Involved in Trans-Pacific Partnership
http://www.ibtimes.com/cables-show-hillary-clintons-state-department-deeply-involved-trans-pacific-2032948

Hillary Clinton's Record of Advocacy and Support of the TPP
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/17/1393899/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Record-of-Advocacy-and-Support-of-the-TPP

First lady records show Clinton promoted NAFTA
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1933416820080319?i=1

Hillary's NAFTA Lie
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillarys-nafta-lie/

Hillary On Record For NAFTA Support
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/02/24/463048/-Hillary-On-Record-For-NAFTA-Support

When Clinton Promoted Outsourcing
http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/opin/pr_freetrade.html

[slipslidingaway]

21. A mistake??? n/t

[upaloopa]

26. I get it you don't like Hillary.

By the numbers of Bernie supporters here you are preaching to the choir.

They don't like her either. But I see the need to reinforce each other.

[AtomicKitten]

28. Don't like her record, not one bit & I'm not interested in the cult of personality surrounding her.

[Ino]

30. Another instance of "just-in-time evolution"

Hillary lurches to catch up before her prize slips away

[Metric System]

22. Well...

http://elizabethwarren.com/blog/i-agree-with-hillary-clinton

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership_n_7173108.html

[Cheese Sandwich]

23. Hillary Clinton's Long Record of Advocacy & Support for the TPP

[Gloria]

24. Specious nonsense about things said years ago

while the deal now finally done after 8 ...let's spell it for you...E I G H T years, of which half of those years she had nothing to do with it....make it silly to say that things from years ago would apply to the final agreement...

Really, use your brains...You can be against something idealogically and that is very easy....

But experienced people re-evaluate constantly....

Did you like Windows 8 when it came out? Well, I won't hold that against you, because you now like Windows 10...(I don't like either, but that's not the point)....

Did you LOVE Red Baron Pizza until you learned it had 22 gms of fat in 1 slice...Oh, I won't hold it against you if you learned that and changed your mind!

Jeesh!

[Historic NY]

27. So was her boss for it????????????????????????

yes or no.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

29. I do not believe what comes out of her mouth.

I do not trust Hillary Clinton.
I do not consider her an honest person.
And yes, this matters very much.

[Bernblu]

31. And if she get's the nomination

She'll be for it after being against it after being for it! This is known as the political hat trick or the three step monte.

[Divernan]

36. Spot on! And welcome to DU!

All those corporate/banking interests which hold millions and millions of dollars worth of Clinton IOU's, aka campaign donations, aka Clinton Family Foundation donatinos, aka quid pro quos, WILL demand her support for TPP, should she end up in the Oval Office. Their other big call-in will be for Supreme Court nominees who will not overturn Citizens United.

[mak3cats]

38. And she still isn't unequivocally AGAINST it...

...just "what she's seen." She left herself wiggle room to be for it again.

[Segami]

39. K&R!