Ok... let's be honest for a moment.

[kenfrequed]

It is rather likely that Joe Biden is going to endorse Hillary Clinton either shortly before or shortly after the debate next week.

The entire reason his potential campaign has been pumped up and inflated has really just been about trying to draw a lot of energy away from challengers to Hillary so that he can suddenly throw weight behind her and create some magical inertia for her campaign. He does not have a campaign at all and there is only a superPAC and a exploratory committee fishing about. There is no campaign for Joe Biden.

His numbers will vanish after the first debate if he doesn't participate. I anticipate that some of Hillary's rivals could grab a few points after the first debate though I suspect the house will be packed to the gills with Hillary supporters.

I will say it again. Joe Biden is not running for president. Bookmark, save it, whatever you want to do. Joe Biden is going to endorse Hillary Clinton.

[ForwardMotion]

1. I don't think the prez or vp will endorse until after the primary.

That would be pretty game changing.

[kenfrequed]

2. I agree with regard to the president

But if it is the Veep who is theoretically considering a run... well in that case I don't think he would be bound to the same neutrality that the president is traditionally supposed to uphold.

[bobbobbins01]

3. You might be right.

I always kinda hoped he would enter knowing he wasn't going to win and would just do it to help Bernie. It seems that he has some genuine admiration for him, and doesn't hold Hillary in very high regard. If he does just end up doing this I will be very disappointed.

[Control-Z]

11. Because he does need help.

But I don't think Biden is the one to turn to.

[bobbobbins01]

18. Nah, hes got a pretty good handle on things from my vantage point

Clinton looks like the one making desperate moves at the moment. Can't blame her though....her campaign 8 years in the making is going town in the textbooks as what not to do if you want to become president.

[upaloopa]

4. You don't know any of that.

If Biden announces he isn't running his numbers will go back to Hillary from where they came.
The numbers have always been Hillary in the 50's or higher and Bernie around 25.
That's how it's been and that's how it will stay. Nobody is packing the house, nobody is stacking the deck. The "people" are deciding this just as you all have been saying they will. They just haven't read the script you wrote for them.
Making up scenarios to explain what is going to happen by implying someone is pulling strings behind the curtain is living in denial.

[kenfrequed]

5. Interesting suppositions

We both have our theories. Let's see how they actually play out.

The front runner has already proven that they wanted fewer debates. That is called strategy. Assuming that the Hillary campaign isn't trying to control the trajectory of the campaign is just silly. You control it through media cycles and she has a legion of paid media consultants whose job it is to do so. It isn't a conspiracy or anything wildly illegal. It is just strategy.

Please stop assuming everyone here is wildly naive.

[upaloopa]

6. "Please stop assuming everyone here is wildly naive."

In all my life I have never seen a larger group of people so unwilling to see what is right in front of their face.
I will bet that after the election there will be studies done on the Bernie supporters. Somehow a paradigm has been created and a lot of people chose to see the world through it. It was there before Bernie. He is just the available person to get out in front of it. First you wanted Warren but you finally listened to her tell you she is not running so you latched onto Bernie when he announced.
You will turn on him when you don't get your economic justice fast enough.
I never knew such a group was existing on this board until you grouped behind Bernie.

[bkkyosemite]

9. And you did what I see over and over on

MSM. You marginalized Bernie Sanders.

[kenfrequed]

10. I choose my candidate based on policy

Anything else is unimportant. Choosing a candidate based on other ephemera is absurd.

[John Poet]

19. You mean like Hillary supporters, and her "dishonest and untrustworthy" numbers?

"In all my life I have never seen a larger group of people so unwilling to see what is right in front of their face."

[Cheese Sandwich]

7. Yeah I think this is very close to exactly right

He might not make an outright endorsement of Clinton anytime soon but it can be implied.

But there is also maybe a secondary reason for the Biden campaign drama. He can be the backup establishment candidate in case Hillary implodes in scandal.

[Control-Z]

12. "He can be the backup establishment candidate in case Hillary implodes in scandal."

I can only guess you are hoping for such a thing. Wow.

[Cheese Sandwich]

13. I can only guess you think blah blah blah. Wow I am horrified over my guess of what you think.

[Control-Z]

14. Seriously?

Blah, blah, blah. That's all you've got?

I'm sorry.

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. I can only guess but I assume your intentions are quite schocking

[bkkyosemite]

8. Anderson Cooper tonight was pathetic

He had two men on. One for Hillary and one for Trump. They talked about the debates. Anderson asked would Biden coming in help Hillary to be a better candidate. He continues to talk about Hillary Hillary Hillary or Trump Trump Trump. They were actually talking a lot about the Democratic Debate BUT nothing was said, nothing was even mentioned about anyone running on the Dem side in the debate on the 13th except HRC and Biden. To just ignore Bernie Sanders is disgusting. I went to Anderson's FB and told him so. Not that it will make a difference but it made me so disgusted and angry. It was as if the others he will moderate with do not exist. So when he is doing the debate will it be that he acts as if Bernie and the others are not important. I'm afraid so.

[jkbRN]

15. rofl

[McCamy Taylor]

17. Honest? In politics? The intent of this post seems to be to discourage donations to Biden

because if he gets a lot of support he just might run and he splits the Anyone But Hillary vote .

If you think it is ok to tell folks that Biden is only pretending to be thinking about running, then can I say I think that Sanders, Dean and Clinton got together in a smoke filled room and said "We need someone who can not beat Clinton in the primary to run against her in order to make sure that no one mounts a serious challenge from the left and so the RNC moles will have a candidate to support who will not actually hurt our chance in the fall"? I mean, fair is fair. One innuendo and unsupported rumor is as good as another.

[LWolf]

20. ???

I don't think so. Not at all.

First, the intent of this post is to discourage donations to Biden? Is he taking donations? Anyone who wants to donate to a politician who hasn't even announced a candidacy, in October, is sure free to do so. Why would the rest of us care?

And while Biden probably splits the vote, I think it's more likely he'll split Clinton support, since they are closer on issues than the rest of the field.

If he is ever actually a candidate.