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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:01 AM Oct 2015

Chuck Todd: Why Clinton’s flip-flop on trade is so unbelievable

Chuck Todd: Why Clinton’s flip-flop on trade is so unbelievable

But make no mistake: This flip-flop isn’t believable at all. For starters, there was the time as secretary of state when she said TPP “sets the gold standard in trade agreements.” In her book, “Hard Choices” (which she sent out to all the GOP candidates), she called TPP “the signature economic pillar” of the Obama administration’s strategy in Asia. And then there’s the wiggle room she left for herself, as well as the fact that she hasn’t even fully reviewed the trade accord because it’s not public yet. “I’m continuing to learn about the details of the new Trans-Pacific Partnership, including looking hard at what’s in there to crack down on currency manipulation, which kills American jobs, and to make sure we’re not putting the interests of drug companies ahead of patients and consumers. But based on what I know so far, I can’t support this agreement,” she said in her statement yesterday. And because this opposition is so unbelievable, it feeds every negative stereotype about her – despite the short-term political benefits.

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Chuck Todd: Why Clinton’s flip-flop on trade is so unbelievable (Original Post) portlander23 Oct 2015 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #1
It isn't the flip-flop kenfrequed Oct 2015 #2
So you believe her 45-times-repeated SUPPORT of TPP instead of her new found rejection? Doctor_J Oct 2015 #13
Would it be wrong to chuckle? libodem Oct 2015 #26
when she has even lost chuck,she has a problem questionseverything Oct 2015 #35
Toad popular on DU now? DURHAM D Oct 2015 #3
Try to keep up. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #6
Subtle..... daleanime Oct 2015 #9
That's the problem with DU.... daleanime Oct 2015 #7
indeed, imagine that stupidicus Oct 2015 #16
Sorry, been burned by Chuck Todd too many times emulatorloo Oct 2015 #27
Yeah, Todd sucks, so we can definitely trust Clinton's stance against the TPP. mhatrw Oct 2015 #33
I didn't say anything like that. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #34
Hillary changed her position again? Todd isn't the only one that can't keep up. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #14
the opposite of a flip flopper is the i'm-never-wrong trump/limbaugh certainot Oct 2015 #24
, Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #25
Nope. but he is telling the truth Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #28
It is a WEAK repudiation of the TPP... roomtomove Oct 2015 #4
I wonder which media magnate has their hand up chucky's ass, this time, making his lips flap. Augiedog Oct 2015 #5
Since Media Moguls are probably 100% pro-TPP, they are of course complaining about her flip-flop Doctor_J Oct 2015 #10
Stopped clock syndrome strikes again. 99Forever Oct 2015 #8
He sees Benghazi as a dead issue now, tavernier Oct 2015 #11
Silent as a mouse Geronimoe Oct 2015 #12
I don't believe her. MNBrewer Oct 2015 #15
Nice try, using Chuck Todd to try to win sympathy support for Hillary. Sorry - this time he's right. reformist2 Oct 2015 #17
toaster pastries gets one right! restorefreedom Oct 2015 #18
It's about TRUST... SoapBox Oct 2015 #19
Nobody with an ounce of brains does. hifiguy Oct 2015 #37
Oh, but don't you know the ONLY alternative is no trade at ALL??? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #20
Why TF isn't she also worried about H-1B which also "kills American Jobs" which she has supported... cascadiance Oct 2015 #21
Those who believe her on the TPP are also interested in buying a bridge in Brooklyn YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #22
That "negative stereotype" is the problem thesquanderer Oct 2015 #23
Hillary: "I'm my own person! Just ask Bernie Sanders!" d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #29
Sharing Chuck Todd's opinion is like passing around a leaky sack full of vomit Orrex Oct 2015 #30
Here's a K (I already R'd)... (eom) mak3cats Oct 2015 #31
Expediency. Triangulation. Strategery. nt mhatrw Oct 2015 #32
If Chuck Toad can see the phoniness hifiguy Oct 2015 #36

Response to portlander23 (Original post)

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
13. So you believe her 45-times-repeated SUPPORT of TPP instead of her new found rejection?
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:18 PM
Oct 2015

Hater! MRA! Commie!

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
6. Try to keep up.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015

This week is Chuck Todd good, gun control bad, polls good, appealing to Republicans good.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
7. That's the problem with DU....
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015

we're willing to listen to anybody, agreeing when we think they're right and disagreeing when we need to.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
16. indeed, imagine that
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:34 PM
Oct 2015

having the intellectual heft and integrity to make proper determinations based on all the "agreed upon facts", as opposed to ignoring or discarding them based solely upon where or with who they originated.

emulatorloo

(44,117 posts)
27. Sorry, been burned by Chuck Todd too many times
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:49 PM
Oct 2015

He's a disingenuous tool of the GOP. Interesting when he sticks to statistics, promotes republicans when he goes to commentary.

Here's the deal. I have the intellectual heft to have learned that I need not breathlessly absorb the babblings of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Hannity-lites like Chuck. The first thing they teach you in school is that sources matter.

Todd has a track record, he has an agenda. As soon as Bernie wins Iowa and New Hampshire, he's going to go after Bernie. Liars lie, that's what liars do.

emulatorloo

(44,117 posts)
34. I didn't say anything like that.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:00 PM
Oct 2015

No doubt your words are very tasty, but I have no interest in you putting words in my mouth.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
24. the opposite of a flip flopper is the i'm-never-wrong trump/limbaugh
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

they are popular in the teabag crowd because of their royal certitude- like kings and dictators- it brings their followers a warm felling and lessens the irrational fears the very same leaders induce- even though it requires regular massive denial of reality

that sack of shit. flip flops are acceptable for dems, it's the certainty addicted authoritarians that can't handle a thoughtful change of mind.

how much of clinton's public acceptance of tpp was based on her still being close to the admin, like keystone?

her late rejection of it shouldn't be rejected just because republican shits like the todder and the other republicans call it a flip flop. that flip flop labeling of kerry was very helpful to them helping keep bush in the white house and it's a label that should be embraced by thinking people just as it is reviled by authoritarians and fascists frightened by the uncertainty it represents.

politicians are supposed to listen to constituents, too.

roomtomove

(217 posts)
4. It is a WEAK repudiation of the TPP...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:08 PM
Oct 2015

in which Hillary points out a few details implying that these details can be worked out.......

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
10. Since Media Moguls are probably 100% pro-TPP, they are of course complaining about her flip-flop
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:16 PM
Oct 2015

but she has no intention of keeping her word, so they should just shut up and let her get elected and then flop back.

tavernier

(12,381 posts)
11. He sees Benghazi as a dead issue now,
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:17 PM
Oct 2015

so he and Mrs. Greenspan are checking to see what's next on the "101 ways to sabotage Hillary" list.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
12. Silent as a mouse
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:17 PM
Oct 2015

She was as silent as a mouse when they were voting to get it fast tracked.

The weasel can't be trusted.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. Nobody with an ounce of brains does.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:14 PM
Oct 2015

She's been on every conceivable side of any issue one might care to name. She has no core principles save for her own advancement.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
21. Why TF isn't she also worried about H-1B which also "kills American Jobs" which she has supported...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

... over the years very vocally. I wonder if she'll shift gears on that too in a way that has us also wondering where she really stands.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
23. That "negative stereotype" is the problem
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:13 PM
Oct 2015

On many issues (like this one), it puts her in the position of damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
36. If Chuck Toad can see the phoniness
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 04:12 PM
Oct 2015

how can ANYONE miss it? Chuckles couldn't find a Kodiak bear in a phone booth without help.

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