2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFormer campaign staffers say Bernie Sanders was abusive: "Bernie was an asshole"
By PAUL HEINTZ<...>
According to some who have worked closely with Sanders over the years, "grumpy grandpa" doesn't even begin to describe it. They characterize the senator as rude, short-tempered and, occasionally, downright hostile. Though Sanders has spent much of his life fighting for working Vermonters, they say he mistreats the people working for him.
"As a supervisor, he was unbelievably abusive," says one former campaign staffer, who claims to have endured frequent verbal assaults. The double standard was clear: "He did things that, if he found out that another supervisor was doing in a workplace, he would go after them. You can't treat employees that way."
Like several others quoted in this column, the campaign worker would speak only on the condition of anonymity, saying that to do otherwise would constitute "career suicide" in a small state such as Vermont. But others echoed the former employee's story, saying the senator is prone to fits of anger.
"Bernie was an asshole," says a Democratic insider who worked with Sanders on the campaign trail. "Just unnecessarily an asshole."
"He yelled in meetings all the time," says one of Sanders' former Senate staffers. "He'd yell, 'I don't want to hear excuses! I want to get it done!'"
Read more:
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/anger-management-sanders-fights-for-employees-except-his-own/Content?oid=2834657
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,546 posts)Nothing has come out before like this. It sure doesn't jive with what I've heard............ but then I don't live in Vermont
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yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Hillary has an OP that says she's mean too. Well there you go. Leaders have a lot to contend with and don't always have a smile 24-7. That's life. I'd bet all of us could have the same news article written saying how we were MEAN to them. In our entire lives, I am sure none of us were angels to everyone.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)He is focused on his own, highly worthwhile aims and he doesn't suffer fools or uncommitted workers gladly. If these workers who thought they were so badly mistreated wanted to quit, it seems to me they had that option. I'm glad to see somebody who is focused and one-pointed in his pursuit of justice for others. His handling of the BLM folks it seems to me shows his wisdom in handling situations as they arise. When he saw that the BLM folks had no intention of letting him speak, he left, and later when he had time to think and study the aims and grievances of the group, he changed his tune. He's the kind of guy who wants to get things done and he does. I don't think there's anybody right now who would have a better chance of dealing with the Billionaire Overlords than Bernie. I'm glad to see that he can be prickly at times. He also has shown that he is ready to change his tune when he realizes that he has been too quick to judge some person or movement or idea.
I would bet that he has been and is VERY supportive of those who share his "passions" for justice and the common man. Those who are just there to hang around and get a paycheck or who are only halfway committed to his goals might at times have gotten short shrift.
More power to ya Bernie.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)seriously? lmao
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)I know this person who knows this person that lives by Hillary up there in the land of the rich, and whenever one of Hills servants would be too slow or get something wrong,Hillary would lock them in the cellar. Now I can't say who told me this,but it IS TRUE!!!!!!
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)told me is a really good friend who I trust a lot, but I can't remember their name.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)what else will come out?--
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Sorry, but what if those "anonymous sources" are the assholes?
BooScout
(10,406 posts)...and watching him when confronted by #BLM, one gets the impression he has a very abrasive personality.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:01 PM - Edit history (1)
and called out White Liberal Supremacists was just awful.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Ever had someone flash you with annoyance? Believe me, you don't want it to happen.
The article also mentioned the nuclear codes. He might have a really bad flash of annoyance and just decide to incinerate everybody!!1!
He is a scary, scary man and we should all BE scared.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I've flashed some ROMs in my time, but never flashed an annoyance.
lostnfound
(16,162 posts)Those 60s hippies can't control themselves that way.
Autumn
(44,981 posts)I laughed my ass off at him and his little ego. And I mean little ego. Every time I see a tan trench coat I laugh my ass off. I can't help myself, it scarred me for life.
appalachiablue
(41,103 posts)on Halloween Night, brrr!!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Some people say.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)...and backs up what others are saying. Thanks for the link!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Have you told the netizens of HillaryClintonSupporters.com? It would reignite their passion for defeating the Krabby Kommie.
ornotna
(10,795 posts)A quote from that story.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Before it reached that point.
I tend to side with Sanders.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)I imagine Bernie is a "No BS'ing Serious" person. Good.
People have told me I have a "No Bullshit Walk". When it's time to work-Work, Dammit! I relate.
That's not a Bad thing. Sheesh. Some people need to grow up.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts).... "if you don't like your numbers, look in the mirror. Then slit your fucking throat"
Bernie sounds like a dream to work for.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)Glen gary glen Ross and The Sopranos
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)forgot to post.
Be right back...
Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)Holy shit! And I was going to vote for him!
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)guess i can vote for Rump. Last week while standing in line at the store, I read a newspaper that said Hill has health problems and is about to die. I read it in a paper, right there in black and white.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I just can't go on after hearing that anonymous, unsourced people claim he yelled and made them work past 4:30.
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Where have I seen this kind of thing before?
Ah,
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And the anti-Semitism on that "other" site has been well documented via multiple screencaps.
They must have got one of "their" juries that they brag about over there in the sewer.
MoveIt
(399 posts)A rigged DU jury would require the attacker to generate more friendly juror bots browsing (ideally from different internet addresses) and valid du accounts. It would need to happen a few minutes before the alert happened. Once a friendly juror bot got the jury message the bot would interact with the du pages , and always vote to hide.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)You just alert and then a number of like minded individuals. Likely star members just need to refresh the page and they'll likely get chosen.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)anything anti-Semitic about Bernie.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I hope y'all didn't strain your brain cells.
emulatorloo
(44,066 posts)We see this kind of article all the time, a story full of "anonymous" sources portraying Democrats in a bad light.
I have a feeling this one will be debunked by tomorrow, that is usually how these things go.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)for a guy that's been in Congress for years?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)was just to catch up and to show them pics of her new granddaughter.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He does have the one.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)have more endorsements than there are atoms in the universe!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)spending hours on end playing with his toy My Little Pony dolls and occasionally dressing up as one.
See? Anyone can write this shit!
frylock
(34,825 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)There are a few of us bronies on DU. And this brony proudly supports Bernie!
In fact there is a Bronies for Bernie site under construction: https://www.fimfiction.net/group/208286/bronies-for-bernie
valerief
(53,235 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sure, he can be a pain in the ass. He's never claimed to be running for Miss Congeniality. Part of that is having a very focused Type A personality and part of it is that he's a gruff New Yawkah and not a small talk kind of guy. But the people of Burlington who knew him best and worked with him kept reelecting him, as do voters statewide, so he must be doing something right.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'm not sure what the point of this is
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)They were very careful to try to hide the kind of person he was from the public.
A Presidential candidate can't hide.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,596 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,596 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)of the job. HRC more than likely is a nightmare to work for. Part of the game. She was a good SOS (compared to those that came before her). She would make a good president, I just feel that Bernie would make a better one. It is not that often we have a choice of 3 good candidates to choose from.
Autumn
(44,981 posts)on their issues with her. Interesting. Thanks for the link.
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/secret-service-agents-reveal-hillary-clinton-is-a-nightmare-to-work-with/story-fnh81jut-1227555514640
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)This surely will make me not vote for him - Sike !!!
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AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)And you ever been to a local government meeting in New England. This is nuthin'
Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)It's total awesome sauce.
Autumn
(44,981 posts)juice.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Never never never never never.....
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)emulatorloo
(44,066 posts)The article above about Bernie is shitty.
But you're not going to score points for Bernie by gullibly believing in liars like Kessler and Rupert Murdoch.
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sorechasm
(631 posts)Vs. A cast of wind-driven characters. I'll take that.
George Thabault, who worked for Sanders when he was mayor of Burlington, sees that as a virtue, comparing it to "what you would expect from a CEO."
"He was a good boss and a demanding boss, in a way," says Thabault, now an auditor for the state Department of Vermont Health Access. "Sometimes you had to remind him that tomorrow's a holiday, so that 4:30 meeting maybe the team won't be in the best mood."
In his statement, Briggs wrote, "It is true that in taking on some of the most important issues facing our country that he demands a lot, but no more than he demands of himself."
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)and nothing else
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)link: http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/08/25/the-filthy-mouth-of-hillary-clinton/
It is said that a measure of our character is how well we treat status inferiors those whom we dont have to treat well. By that measure, the character of the woman who has ambitions to be Americas next president is sorely lacking.
LANGUAGE WARNING!
Where is the G*damn f**king flag! I want the G*damn f**king flag up every morning at f**king sunrise.
-From the book Inside the White House, by Ronald Kessler, p.244 Hillary to staff at the Arkansas Governors mansion on Labor Day 1991.
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F**k off! Its enough I have to see you shit-kickers every day, Im not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*damn job and keep your mouth shut.
-From the book American Evita, by Christopher Anderson, p.90 Hillary to her State Trooper body guards after one of them greeted her with Good Morning
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If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king ass over here and grab those bags!
-From the book The First Partner: Hillary Rodham Clinton, by Joyce Milton p.259 Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident.
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Stay the f**k back, stay the f**k back away from me! Dont come within ten yards of me, or else! Just f**king do as I say, Okay!!?
-From the book Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White House, by Clinton FBI Agent in Charge, Gary Aldrich, p.139- Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail.
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Wheres the miserable c**k sucker!
-From the book The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far Shell Go to Become President, by Edward Klein, p. 15- Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer.
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You f**king idiot
-From the book Crossfire, p.84 Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event.
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Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those sunglasses. We need to go back!
-From the book Dereliction of Duty, by Robert Patterson, p.71-72 Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One.
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Omg folks we have sunk to freak republic depths now!
When u pull Dick Morris out in defense of your leftist/socialist hero ..WOW!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)You know, the OP you lent your name to recommending.
No likey? Tough shit.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)well you know.
The multiple postings of the same baseless crap are a real pain in the arse, though.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Are pretty grumpy
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)There is no road like the high road.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)JI7
(89,240 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Here's one..
Criticism of Sanders' leadership abilities is nothing new. Steve Rosenfeld, a former Vermont journalist who served as Sanders' press secretary during his 1990 House campaign, wrote a book about his first successful statewide bid. In Making History in Vermont, Rosenfeld levels a tough assessment at his former boss, who passed him over for a congressional job at the campaign's end.
"At his best, Sanders is a skilled reader and manipulator of people and events," Rosenfeld wrote. "At his worst, he falls prey to his own emotions, is unable to practice what he preaches (though he would believe otherwise) and exudes a contempt for those he derides, including his staff."
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Just to clarify I dont really think this is a big deal. Most successful politicians are intense and push their staff.
lostnfound
(16,162 posts)I would hate for people to judge me based on my behavior 25 years ago. Most people get wiser.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)Can we please stop posting this kind of anonymous hit piece? I don't care which candidate it is. This kind of story is egregious bullshit.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Honestly MM this is old news.
It's about to become a big deal, because I don't think anyone with this kind of a personality can get elected, and that's before the whole Socialist issue.
People don't want a curmogeon staring back at them on the TV screen for 4-8 years.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)I'll take a curmudgeon with a consistent agenda any day. I already have friends to drink with.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Are you going to cover the reply to you (#89), or do I need to field this one?
mother earth
(6,002 posts)what other people's staff would say ANONYMOUSLY. I'm thinking it would be far worst, won't hazard any guesses but given the known past of some...esp. for the Clintons...yet Bernie supporters are NOT going there! Hint...Hint...we really do need to resist going negative...just a thought.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Gothmog
(144,921 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)She would blow up over something that she misinterpreted. Again, you cant take her on, thats not my boss. You cant take on the First Lady, Baggert said. I remember one time in one of these meetings where she was blowing up about [Bill Clintons] staff and how we were all incompetent and he was having to be the mechanic and drive the car and do everything, that we werent capable of anything.
Baggert added that Clinton would chew out staffers in front of their colleagues, which made things especially awkward. Sometimes shed be in those meetings and Id think, Please dont let her yell at me, Baggert added.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clintons-strengths-and-anger-white-house-revealed
Nothing anywhere about Bernie losing it and abusing people.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Good OP, I'm not taking anything away from the OP, but Sanders has been known as someone who is very impatient, irritable, curmogeonly, all of those things for a long time.
I just assumed his supporters all knew this already and that his supporters believed that he had some magical way for making it not matter, like the Socialism issue.
This is very interesting. His supporters here don't seem to have a clue about the personality of the person they are supporting. They haven't even gotten to the point where they are magically explaining it away as an issue.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Do you really think you're going to get this one to stick? At least it will keep you busy for awhile.
TM99
(8,352 posts)and flip floppers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658816
Give me a socialist codger who sometimes gets, you know, human with his emotions over a fucking liar and panderer for her presidential ambitions any old day!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sorry.
You actually never once addressed your own self discussing all of her lies and calling her a liar then and why you don't consider her a liar now.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Dems2002
(509 posts)This doesn't surprise me at all. Of course, I worked at a political consulting firm for over 10-years. I've been called a fucking asshole by my boss in front of all of my colleagues. It isn't the most pleasant experience in my life, but I respect this person more than a lot of people I know. It's not a personality trait I ascribe to, but I also know I worked hard as hell and the firm was extraordinarily successful.
I have very few purity standards for my elected leaders. I know most of them have been incredibly flawed individuals. I am much more interested in results and I'm quite happy to elect an asshole who I believe is fighting on my behalf, rather the rest of the gang who are fighting for their rich friends.
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)based upon un named sources the democratic primary will be between
an angry grandfather and a lesbian murder
tblue37
(65,227 posts)Regnery, of course, in which unnamed Secret Service guys claim she was a "nightmare" to guard. The book claims they (and the WH staff) were not allowed to speak to her, and had to hide in cubbies as she came down the hallway. He also "reports" that when one SS guy said, "Good morning," once, she snarled back, "F*** you!"
I don't believe that crap about Hillary or anonymous smears against Bernie. I suspect both are capable of getting short-tempered and snappish from pressure and exhaustion sometimes (they're humans, not saints or robots), especially if some staffer is negligent, incompetent, or lazy, but I seriously doubt they could be that nasty without our hearing about it *before* it looked like one of them might be positioned to become president.
dsc
(52,152 posts)if the people were willing to put names to it that would be one thing. But this is just plain ridiculous.
Gothmog
(144,921 posts)Thanks for posting
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)...but you like the anonymous hit piece. I'm coming to a better understanding. Thank you.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Actually, IMO I'm more impressed with Senator Sanders. In meetings there shouldn't be much time wasted listening to 'excuses'.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Autumn
(44,981 posts)nastiness and imperiousness become evident. He adds: Hillary Clinton can make Richard Nixon look like Mahatma Gandhi.
I remember Richard Nixon well, he was a nasty SOB
I saw that OP and ignored it because it was so fucking nasty but it fits right in with your OP so I decided to rec that OP and post it here, in your thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251657896
F off, she replied.
That exchange is one among many that active and retired Secret Service agents shared with Ronald Kessler, author of First Family Detail, a compelling look at the intrepid personnel who shield Americas presidents and their families and those whom they guard.
Kessler writes flatteringly and critically about people in both parties. Regarding the Clintons, Kessler presents Chelsea as a model protectee who respected and appreciated her agents. He describes Bill as a difficult chief executive, but an easygoing ex-president. And Kessler exposes Hillary as an epically abusive Arctic monster.
When in public, Hillary smiles and acts graciously, Kessler explains. As soon as the cameras are gone, her angry personality, nastiness, and imperiousness become evident.
He adds: Hillary Clinton can make Richard Nixon look like Mahatma Gandhi.
Saying "Fuck of"f to a person who protects you is just beyond being an abusive asshole
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Lunabell
(6,046 posts)Lunabell
(6,046 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Wadda a fucking surprise.
As if anyone doesn't see thru this bullshit.
BTW, Cali_"Democrat"...
I'll still be supporting and voting for Bernie Sanders no matter how many tall tales you tell about him.
Period.