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askew

(1,464 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:09 PM Oct 2015

New Hillary Email scandal: Hillary forwarded email with identity of CIA intel source.


From Yahoo Politics:


On March 18, 2011, Sidney Blumenthal — Clinton’s longtime friend and political adviser — sent the then secretary of state an email to her private account that contained apparently highly sensitive information he had received from Tyler Drumheller, a former top CIA official with whom Blumenthal at the time had a business relationship.

“Tyler spoke to a colleague currently at CIA, who told him the agency had been dependent for intelligence from [redacted due to sources and methods],” the email states, according to Gowdy’s letter.

The redacted information was “the name of a human source,” Gowdy wrote to his Democratic counterpart, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, and was therefore “some of the most protected information in our intelligence community.”

“Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded the email to a colleague — debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address,” wrote Gowdy in a letter to Cummings.

Clinton has repeatedly said she never sent or received classified information on her private email server “that was marked classified at the time that it was sent or received.” But the FBI, at the request of the inspectors general for the intelligence community and the State Department, is investigating the handling of classified information on the private server.

And while there is nothing that indicates that the email from Blumenthal (who was not a government employee) was marked classified at the time Clinton received it, the sensitive nature of its contents should have been a red flag and never should have been passed along, according to a former veteran CIA officer.

“She is exposing the name of a guy who has a clandestine relationship with the CIA on her private, unprotected server,” said John Maguire, who served for years as one of the CIA’s top Mideast officers.

In addition, he noted, the email should trigger a “crimes report” by the CIA to the Justice Department seeking an investigation into who within the agency revealed the information to Drumheller.

“Unless Tyler was blowing smoke, it’s an unauthorized disclosure of information,” said John Rizzo, a former CIA general counsel. “And it’s the most sensitive kind of classified information — the identity of a human source. She should have told Blumenthal, ‘delete this — and don’t send me that again.’ And then she should have reported it to State Department security.”
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New Hillary Email scandal: Hillary forwarded email with identity of CIA intel source. (Original Post) askew Oct 2015 OP
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz leftofcool Oct 2015 #1
I have to be careful what I say about the original poster lest I get a hide. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #3
oh don't be scared you can take a hide or two- GO FOR IT! snooper2 Oct 2015 #25
I like to be perfect and right now I have a 80% jury eligible rating instead of 100%. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #26
There would have to be a "there" there for the reveal. artislife Oct 2015 #63
Send me the PM. Would love to read it. nt Logical Oct 2015 #58
I thought that was shown to be false?? nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #135
This is a case of someone posting a lie SCantiGOP Oct 2015 #157
I'm a Sanders supporter and I agree that pizza is the right choice for dinner tonight. blm Oct 2015 #152
The posts do have a "samey" feeling about it. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #153
Sleep all you want. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #37
I am sure my dear friend, left of cool, will sleep all she wants... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #57
I will. I'm going to South Carolina. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #2
Nothing was classified. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #4
Do you find it interesting the original poster changed the tile of the article to make it more... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #5
Nothing was _marked_ classified. jeff47 Oct 2015 #6
All State Dept employees w/security clearance are given training on handling classified askew Oct 2015 #10
This could be big Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #13
And information can be sensitive without being classified, too. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #39
Turns out this thread has become comedy gold! Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #142
OMG!! HOW DARE SOMEONE NOT KNOW THE FUTURE!!!! jeff47 Oct 2015 #144
You got suckered by Gowdy and the GOP Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #146
Again, Gowdy was the only one leaking details. jeff47 Oct 2015 #147
LOL... Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #149
LMFAO DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #7
LMAO! leftofcool Oct 2015 #19
Dead Intern Joe and Fox and Friends are now posting on DU? Dawson Leery Oct 2015 #8
Drip drip drip. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #9
I think she was sloppy with her emails and her team is now rushing around trying askew Oct 2015 #11
Character flaw. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #12
Yep, that sums it up perfectly. askew Oct 2015 #36
+several brazillion Demeter Oct 2015 #145
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #15
Did you read the OP? HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #22
Actually, she's really a fembot working for the Russians, the North Koreans, and the Iranians. RBInMaine Oct 2015 #68
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #126
You do realize this has been debunked? mcar Oct 2015 #139
That poster is no longer a DUer. MineralMan Oct 2015 #161
I know now mcar Oct 2015 #165
If true Bernblu Oct 2015 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #16
The right is desperate uponit7771 Oct 2015 #17
They are not the only ones but thank you for providing me a segue. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #20
And there are Hillary supporters who don't know jack shit Fawke Em Oct 2015 #40
I am extremely hurt by your calumny against me and my compadres on this board DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #44
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position uponit7771 Oct 2015 #49
Thank you, uponit. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #59
Trey Gowdy damage control. leftofcool Oct 2015 #53
Excaue me while I chuckle. Adrahil Oct 2015 #123
I agree, right now anyone who mentions that this is discpecable behavior gets alert stalked uponit7771 Oct 2015 #48
I will not be goaded into a hide. If I shall get a hide all will see its illegitimacy./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #55
I will not be goaded into a hide. If I shall get a hide all will see its illegitimacy./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #55
Sanders supporters are desperate. You get the sense that, deep down, they believe Bernie can only Metric System Oct 2015 #23
I hope you don't get a hide but that is truth. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #24
Gee whiz...I can almost see all of your vapors artislife Oct 2015 #65
Your clever repartee does not go unnoticed or unappreciated. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #66
Why thank you! artislife Oct 2015 #67
I'm only desperate to have a president who understands security. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #41
I don't believe for a split second Sanders would do much different than SOS Clinton uponit7771 Oct 2015 #51
So then I assume you were opposed to Snowden's disclosures of classified information? Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #64
GMTA treestar Oct 2015 #78
+1, emperically there's not a ton of light between her and him on stated policies and it's either uponit7771 Oct 2015 #50
And what about HRC' s-related super PACs which are already gearing mylye2222 Oct 2015 #70
Nope. If Sanders wins it will be because he is a better candidate. blackspade Oct 2015 #159
Something's askew about this story. randome Oct 2015 #18
DSB goes usually goes to bed early and gets up early. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #21
See my post below about Rep. Cummings press release emulatorloo Oct 2015 #29
This is Trey Gowdy doing damage control because of Cummings threats to release transcripts emulatorloo Oct 2015 #27
I look at your avatar, sir... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #28
Just a guy who really dislikes seeing right-wing smears against Dems promoted on DU emulatorloo Oct 2015 #34
My admiration for you only grows, exponentially... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #38
+1000 blackspade Oct 2015 #160
This Sidney Blumenthal fella keeps azmom Oct 2015 #30
From Politico LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #32
Why was a private employee getting information about undercover agents? eom Fawke Em Oct 2015 #42
Ugh, I need a shower after reading that. N/t azmom Oct 2015 #47
He was a monumental asshole to the Obamas at the end of the 2008 campaign. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #45
hillary cannot be trusted with national security. she is completely incompetent. bowens43 Oct 2015 #31
I think Hillary could be trusted with classified material, But LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #33
As soon ad Dick Cheney is arrested, tried and convicted for outing Valerie Plame in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #35
While I agree that Cheney should have been arrested, Fawke Em Oct 2015 #43
I know it doesn't excuse her, but the GOP double standard is ridiculous. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #46
To be fair, it was Armitage who "outed" Plame - with Libby eventually going to jail. What do you jonno99 Oct 2015 #52
zero to none. n/t in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #60
Which begs the question: why so much outrage over the Plame "outing"? jonno99 Oct 2015 #61
What we have here is serious. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #54
Thanks for helping the GOP right wing lying liars with the lies they tell night and day. RBInMaine Oct 2015 #69
What a load of garbage Persondem Oct 2015 #62
But... but... but... 99Forever Oct 2015 #71
Here's a hug. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #73
I don't need a fucking hug. 99Forever Oct 2015 #74
". I don't need a..." DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #75
Lol! zappaman Oct 2015 #112
What were you saying? IanBrownie Oct 2015 #79
Ummmmm. . . Codeine Oct 2015 #81
No fear! Turns out Trey Gowdy lied! NuclearDem Oct 2015 #121
So I'll never hear about this, ever again? 99Forever Oct 2015 #131
Debunked IanBrownie Oct 2015 #76
... ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #84
That's OK, it got kicked IanBrownie Oct 2015 #86
Can DU stop listening to Trey Gowdy now? mcar Oct 2015 #77
Sure would be nice. Agschmid Oct 2015 #82
Some should be embarassed mcar Oct 2015 #85
I've noticed the OP has not been back with a mea culpa. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #98
I think you will agree this is one of the DURHAM D Oct 2015 #100
Yes, a real backfire against the OP and those who tried to support him/her. stevenleser Oct 2015 #154
It's disheartening how many posters in this thread onenote Oct 2015 #80
They'll jut blithely pretend nothing happened. nt Codeine Oct 2015 #83
Such Faith in the CIA! I am stunned and amazed Demeter Oct 2015 #148
Wow. So you take Trey Gowdy over the CIA and Elijah Cummings onenote Oct 2015 #150
LOL DURHAM D Oct 2015 #87
yet again a lie about Hillary from the right wing brought here dsc Oct 2015 #88
OMG! OMG! zappaman Oct 2015 #89
Wow. A discredited piece of political oppo posted on DU as if it is fact. Who would have thought? McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #90
Valerie Plame has a message for you IanBrownie Oct 2015 #91
This calumny has been debunked DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #92
Elijah Cummings is a boss!!! DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #93
Yes he is mcar Oct 2015 #94
I can't wait to see him Thursday... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #95
Me too mcar Oct 2015 #96
It will be an all dayer... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #97
I was at the grocery store earlier today and DURHAM D Oct 2015 #99
Way too many excitedly salivating over a presumed "gotcha" moment. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #101
and it just got a new Rec DURHAM D Oct 2015 #102
It gives me a chance to repeat my mantra. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #104
Yep. It just got another one. DURHAM D Oct 2015 #105
I actually have pity for them. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #106
Yup..a little snapshot of all the reccers Sheepshank Oct 2015 #107
Maybe they are "ironic" rec's? Agschmid Oct 2015 #114
More nonsense about emails. Enough about tbe damn emails! Vattel Oct 2015 #103
Oh for FFS. bush releases the name of a CIA operative to the NY Times to make it public and still_one Oct 2015 #108
CIA Debunks Gowdy’s Allegation That Clinton Email Contained Classified CIA Source riversedge Oct 2015 #109
wow. I guess that destroyed this thread's premise. Your link probably belongs in LBN still_one Oct 2015 #110
It is someplace on du today. riversedge Oct 2015 #113
Glad you brought it up. Thanks still_one Oct 2015 #115
You can bet the usual suspects won't apologize for supporting this. nt Adrahil Oct 2015 #122
I think has already been classified as a pants on fire lie by Gowdy. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #111
I hope we've learned to not to post right-wing oppo pieces on DU. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #116
...but Clinton is really a Republican, so it's okay. brooklynite Oct 2015 #118
Why are DU users doing Trey Gowdy's dirty work? Tarc Oct 2015 #117
Sad some folks have turned the deaths of four brave Americans into a political football. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #119
Yeah, and that includes the anti-Hillary folks within the party. Beacool Oct 2015 #124
How embarssing for the OP.... Adrahil Oct 2015 #120
The problem is Hillary has lied so many times about the emails/server issue askew Oct 2015 #127
Lamest defense ever. onenote Oct 2015 #128
It's not even that - just babbling something COLGATE4 Oct 2015 #133
You should delete this thread IanBrownie Oct 2015 #129
Deleting the thread would require a modicum of character. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #141
Your response is a Gowdy response. DURHAM D Oct 2015 #136
Really? That's your weak-ass defense? Adrahil Oct 2015 #138
Hillary didn't debunk it... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #151
Well it seems that the republicans are getting desperate. rockfordfile Oct 2015 #132
Newsweek independently confirms the CIA found no need for redactions IanBrownie Oct 2015 #125
Oh please! This underhandedness by Gowdy has already been debunked by Elijah Cummings . . . brush Oct 2015 #130
The Incredible Shrinking Gotcha Chorus oasis Oct 2015 #134
This is the new New new Hillary email scandal that was debunked before it was even hatched. NBachers Oct 2015 #137
Stop posting GOP lies youceyec Oct 2015 #140
Proven to be another GOP lie to drive down Hillary Clinton's reputation UCmeNdc Oct 2015 #143
Hillary e mail scandal addicts = Obama birthers anamnua Oct 2015 #155
Trey Gowdy is a liar who falsified information Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #156
Rep. Cummings: Gowdy fabricated redactions on Clinton's email to make it look like she'd outed a spy blackspade Oct 2015 #158
Helping Gowdy will be something to brag about at the next gathering. oasis Oct 2015 #164
Not sure I follow.... blackspade Oct 2015 #166
The so-called Democrats who promote Gowdy's agenda at DU oasis Oct 2015 #167
Let's focus on the outing of Valerie Plame.... Gloria Oct 2015 #162
New and improved scandals! randome Oct 2015 #163
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #168
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #169
... ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #170
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #171
Gee, someone said virtually the identical thing the other day. ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #172
Debunked republican BS workinclasszero Oct 2015 #173
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #174

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. I have to be careful what I say about the original poster lest I get a hide.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:21 PM
Oct 2015

If you or him are interested in what I think you can send me a private message and I will tell you. In the alternative i will leave it up to your fertile imaginations.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
26. I like to be perfect and right now I have a 80% jury eligible rating instead of 100%.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:30 AM
Oct 2015

It is my raison d'etre to get it to 100% again.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
63. There would have to be a "there" there for the reveal.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:39 PM
Oct 2015

I think this is much more...amusing.

















Next...

SCantiGOP

(13,867 posts)
157. This is a case of someone posting a lie
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015

Trey Gowdy must be proud that his bullshit is getting repeated on DU.

blm

(113,037 posts)
152. I'm a Sanders supporter and I agree that pizza is the right choice for dinner tonight.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 12:02 PM
Oct 2015

Haven't stopped craving pizza since earliest postings.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
37. Sleep all you want.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:19 PM
Oct 2015

Those of us who know a thing or two about network security are watching this closely.

I don't want a president who can be blackmailed, thank you.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
57. I am sure my dear friend, left of cool, will sleep all she wants...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 03:40 PM
Oct 2015
Sleep all you want.

-Fawke Em




I am sure my dear friend, left of cool, will sleep all she wants but that was kind of you to give her permission.

For that I give you a little and a big and hope you have a nice weekend.

Response to askew (Original post)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. Do you find it interesting the original poster changed the tile of the article to make it more...
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:33 PM
Oct 2015

Do you find it interesting the original poster changed the tile of the article to make it inflammatory and inculpatory:



"Benghazi committee, under fire, releases more Clinton emails."

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. Nothing was _marked_ classified.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:39 PM
Oct 2015

Information is still classified, whether or not it is marked. And this isn't some oddball case where Clinton could reasonably not know it was classified. The email gave out the name of a CIA field agent. And the context was, "This guy is a CIA field agent".

That is obviously TS/SCI to anyone who has ever had an in-briefing for handling classified information. Whether or not the email was marked.

The fact that the Benghazi hearings are a sham does not erase that Clinton mishandled classified information.

askew

(1,464 posts)
10. All State Dept employees w/security clearance are given training on handling classified
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:29 PM
Oct 2015

material. How to spot it regardless of markings and how to report breaches. It seems like a pretty clear breach. Why she didn't report it is going to be a question she has to answer for.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
39. And information can be sensitive without being classified, too.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:22 PM
Oct 2015

"Classified" is a governmental term with a special meaning. Even if the data wasn't classified, it could still contain information we don't want others to have.

Most businesses have some trade secrets. Those secrets aren't "classified" in the national security sense of the word, but you wouldn't want you intellectual property all over the Internet. That is "sensitive" or "private" information.

(Just adding to your post, jeff).

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
144. OMG!! HOW DARE SOMEONE NOT KNOW THE FUTURE!!!!
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:05 AM
Oct 2015

Also, Gowdy was an example. There's other emails the DNI IG has identified with classified. Since they're classified and the DNI IG is more responsible than Clinton with classified information, the contents haven't leaked.

You are a very petty person.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
146. You got suckered by Gowdy and the GOP
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:10 AM
Oct 2015

Next time try not to be so susceptible to Republican propaganda.

Other people in this thread showed healthy skepticism toward this story. You, on the other hand, wanted it to be true.

Next time me more skeptical of stories originating from Gowdy.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
147. Again, Gowdy was the only one leaking details.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:13 AM
Oct 2015

The DNI IG found others, but has not leaked the details.

But hey, reading is hard when it contradicts your political views.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
149. LOL...
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:22 AM
Oct 2015
Information is still classified, whether or not it is marked. And this isn't some oddball case where Clinton could reasonably not know it was classified. The email gave out the name of a CIA field agent. And the context was, "This guy is a CIA field agent".


Trust Gowdy much?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. LMFAO
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 10:52 PM
Oct 2015

Prompted by Reince Priebus. Trey Gowdy said, "Give me here on a platter the head of Hillary Clinton."






#lol@me

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
9. Drip drip drip.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:26 PM
Oct 2015

The email contained the name of a CIA field operative...you don't need a Top Secret stamp on it to know that's sensitive and classified information. Clinton is lying and covering up, that is quite apparent.

askew

(1,464 posts)
11. I think she was sloppy with her emails and her team is now rushing around trying
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:35 PM
Oct 2015

to cover up the mess. It's definitely not going away anytime soon.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
12. Character flaw.
Thu Oct 8, 2015, 11:50 PM
Oct 2015

By nature, she is secretive and paranoid...that's why she set up a private email server. Then she lied about its existence, and has repeatedly stalled turning over supoenaed info. Had she just come clean from the get-go, this would all be behind her. But she's continued to lie and stall, and cover up. It appears she was discussing sensitive material, but even if she wasn't she continues to act guilty. It's the Clinton way, and if she's elected were gonna see eight whole fucking years of one scandal after another, whether real or contrived.

askew

(1,464 posts)
36. Yep, that sums it up perfectly.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:19 PM
Oct 2015

One of the key reasons I won't vote for her. I don't want to spend 4-8 years bogged down in cleaning up her messes. I'd rather focus on getting progressive policy implemented.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
145. +several brazillion
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:09 AM
Oct 2015

Too many years watching that kind of administration (from both sides) really make a bigger mess than humanly imaginable

Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #9)

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
68. Actually, she's really a fembot working for the Russians, the North Koreans, and the Iranians.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:54 PM
Oct 2015

Please, save the whacky conspiracy theories for the knuckle draggers at Free Republic.

Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #9)

Bernblu

(441 posts)
14. If true
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:07 AM
Oct 2015

this is a big deal. Blumenthal was not a governmental employee. If I did this on my job I would be summarily fired and escorted off the premises.

Response to Bernblu (Reply #14)

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. They are not the only ones but thank you for providing me a segue.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:13 AM
Oct 2015
There is a coterie on the left [ who is flogging this story with the zeal of a hundred legions of Freepers. Their behavior is despicable and shameful and one day they will be held in account for their odious behavior.

It is my prayer that I have won the enmity of these vipers for " I know there is a God and he hates injustice..."

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
40. And there are Hillary supporters who don't know jack shit
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:27 PM
Oct 2015

about information security who continue to think this is no big deal.

This lack of understanding about how serious THIS aspect is (not to be confused with the made-up Benghazi crap) is despicable and shameful in that they are defending a political candidate who may, because of her paranoid nature, have put this COUNTRY at risk - or at least a few intelligence people.

Let me put it this way: in terms of the outcome, this is no different than what Cheney/Libby/Rove did to Valerie Plame.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
44. I am extremely hurt by your calumny against me and my compadres on this board
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015

I am extremely hurt by your calumny against me and my compadres on this board:


And there are Hillary supporters who don't know jack shit...
-Fawke Em




but I would be remiss in not giving you a big and wishing you have a nice weekend.

With love,
DSB

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
59. Thank you, uponit.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 03:48 PM
Oct 2015

Ad hominems always reveal less about the target and more on the one doing the targeting.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
123. Excaue me while I chuckle.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:07 PM
Oct 2015

Tne government is filled with second rate IT, and crappy information security. This focus on THIS particular matter is a thinly veiled political attack. Why no probe into private email by Colin Powell or Condi Rice? I bet Gowdy's email would reveal some pretty interesting stuff. Nah... This is bullshit.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
23. Sanders supporters are desperate. You get the sense that, deep down, they believe Bernie can only
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:13 AM
Oct 2015

win if a scandal takes out Hillary. So they keep promoting, posting and pushing every negative thing they can find in the hope that something somewhere will stick.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
24. I hope you don't get a hide but that is truth.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:16 AM
Oct 2015
Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again...

-William Cullen Bryant



P.S. If you read this and it doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply to you.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
65. Gee whiz...I can almost see all of your vapors
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:46 PM
Oct 2015

I do declare, it is just scandalous. Why I never?! Quick with the smelling salts



YANKEES!


It's the land...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
66. Your clever repartee does not go unnoticed or unappreciated.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:49 PM
Oct 2015

And I would be remiss in not giving you a big internet and hope you have a nice weekend.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
41. I'm only desperate to have a president who understands security.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:31 PM
Oct 2015

This has nothing to do with politics.

This is a potential breach of national security even if it was unintentional.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
64. So then I assume you were opposed to Snowden's disclosures of classified information?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:45 PM
Oct 2015

You know....consistency and all that.

I'm pretty good at fishing for old posts. If I look up some of your old posts about Snowden/Greenwald, surely they would show that you were opposed to that national security breach?



uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
50. +1, emperically there's not a ton of light between her and him on stated policies and it's either
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:10 PM
Oct 2015

... they don't like or trust her so therefore her stated policies don't matter

or

some scandal takes her down

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
70. And what about HRC' s-related super PACs which are already gearing
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:57 PM
Oct 2015

up to run $-billions- paid negativity against Bernie, to make sure she gets her coronating -like nomination?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
159. Nope. If Sanders wins it will be because he is a better candidate.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:21 PM
Oct 2015

Like all of the other "Scandals" this is nothing more than M$M and GOP bullshit.
The real problems with her candidacy will not be touched with a 10 ft pole by the M$M or the GOP.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. Something's askew about this story.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 07:48 AM
Oct 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
21. DSB goes usually goes to bed early and gets up early.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:33 AM
Oct 2015

I fell asleep about 9:00 P.M. PST and I half woke up around 10:30. My gf had on Hannity. Since she pays the bills I am not going to tell her to change the channel. Any Way it's good oppo research...He was flogging the exact same story with Rudy Giuliani and making the same ominous and inculpatory inferences as found in the original post.



emulatorloo

(44,096 posts)
29. See my post below about Rep. Cummings press release
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:44 AM
Oct 2015

Pretty sure that's what motivating Gowdy. Desperation and damage control.

Sanders supporter here, not fond of those who attack Democrats by promoting GOP partisan hacks.

Yesterday I saw a Newsmax author and New York Post "reporter" work fauned over as it it was the gospel truth.

Bernie would NEVER do anything like that.

emulatorloo

(44,096 posts)
27. This is Trey Gowdy doing damage control because of Cummings threats to release transcripts
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:36 AM
Oct 2015

Of Cheryl Mills and Blumenthal's testimony. Repubs have been suppressing those transcripts because they don't fit their predetermined Benghazi Fantasy.


http://democrats.benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/cummings-calls-for-immediate-release-of-mills-interview-transcript

Cummings Calls for Immediate Release of Mills Interview Transcript

Sep 3, 2015 Press Release

WASHINGTON—Today, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Member of the Select Committee on Benghazi, released the following statement after the completion of the Committee’s transcribed interview of former State Department Chief of Staff, Cheryl Mills:

"After listening to many hours of testimony with Cheryl Mills today, I believe every single American should be able to read this transcript as soon as possible.

"The American people should be able to see for themselves that none of the wild Republican allegations against Secretary Clinton have been substantiated.

"The Secretary did not personally authorize cables that reduced the State Department’s security in Libya, and she did not order the military to stand-down, as some have alleged.

"Ms. Mills answered every single question thoroughly, and she handled herself as a consummate professional. I thank her for her service.

"I also believe the Committee should immediately release the transcript of Sidney Blumenthal’s deposition, but the Chairman has refused to schedule a vote—as House Rules require—and instead has insisted on keeping that testimony secret too, even as the Committee selectively leaks other documents out of context.

"Unfortunately, it appears that the Select Committee has shelved its core work on Benghazi to focus almost exclusively on Secretary Clinton and her aides in an effort to attack her bid for president.

"The Committee has not held a single hearing since January—more than eight months ago. We were supposed to have hearings with the Defense Department and the intelligence agencies, but we never had them. To be clear, these were hearings the Chairman himself was planning to hold.

"Instead, over the past 16 months, the Committee has spent more than four million dollars, but we have held only three hearings and fewer than 50 interviews—one of the least productive congressional investigations in history.

"This severe misuse of taxpayer resources and Congressional power has done very little to help protect our diplomats around the world."

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
28. I look at your avatar, sir...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:39 AM
Oct 2015

I look at your avatar, sir... You are a paragon of fairness and a beacon of light in a sea of darkness. You are a mensch.


emulatorloo

(44,096 posts)
34. Just a guy who really dislikes seeing right-wing smears against Dems promoted on DU
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:11 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie's the candidate who really resonates with me. Pretty left-liberal here. Hillary was too conservative for me in 2008 compared to Edwards, and now in 2016 compared to Bernie. Simple as that.

I am old enough to remember whitewater, Filegate, the "murder" of Vince Foster, the Clinton's doing cocaine in the Whitehouse, Hillary is a sex-crazed evil lesbian, and their staff removing all the W keys from the keyboards in the White House. Every bit of it made up bullshit.

So I recognize Benghazi/email-ghazi as standard operating procedure for the lying GOP. McCarthy admitted that's what it is. Apparently some DU'ers didn't get the memo?

I have very low tolerance for right-wing smears being used on DU, as if that is the way to get Bernie nominated.


azmom

(5,208 posts)
30. This Sidney Blumenthal fella keeps
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 11:54 AM
Oct 2015

Popping up in these emails a lot. Isn't he the guy Obama did not want in the White House. Do we know why Obama wanted to keep him out? What did he do?

LiberalArkie

(15,705 posts)
32. From Politico
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:05 PM
Oct 2015

Sidney Blumenthal, a longtime confidant of Bill and Hillary Clinton, earned about $10,000 a month as a full-time employee of the Clinton Foundation while he was providing unsolicited intelligence on Libya to then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to multiple sources familiar with the arrangement.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/clinton-foundation-sidney-blumenthal-salary-libya-118359#ixzz3o5Tfgo8W

LiberalArkie

(15,705 posts)
33. I think Hillary could be trusted with classified material, But
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:11 PM
Oct 2015

with her having an unsecured unfirewalled server she could select what she wrote, but not how someone replied. As in this case.

Everyone complained about the email system. It was secured, firewalled and scanned. It made e-mails coming and going slow. They did not like it as they could send and unsecured email via other means a lot faster.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
35. As soon ad Dick Cheney is arrested, tried and convicted for outing Valerie Plame
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:17 PM
Oct 2015

then we'll talk. Until then, eff off, Gowdy.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
43. While I agree that Cheney should have been arrested,
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

it doesn't excuse Hillary for doing it.

Not sure why she was sharing sensitive information about undercover agents with a non-government employee who wasn't cleared to know this stuff.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
46. I know it doesn't excuse her, but the GOP double standard is ridiculous.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:53 PM
Oct 2015

Where was the outcry from them when Plame was outed? There was none. If Hillary is going to be held accountable for this, and she should be, then so should Cheney, the war criminal.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
52. To be fair, it was Armitage who "outed" Plame - with Libby eventually going to jail. What do you
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:41 PM
Oct 2015

think are the chances that there is jail time pending for this outing/mishandling of the name of an "actual" Syrian CIA operative?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/08/leak.armitage/

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
54. What we have here is serious.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:56 PM
Oct 2015

A business associate of Blumenthal names a CIA asset who's working with him. Blumenthal forwards it to Clinton. It seems to be escaping people that two private citizens are discussing the ID of a secret CIA asset, and Clinton neither reported to the CIA that an asset of theirs had been compromised, nor reported Bloomenthal and his associate to the FBI for disclosing the ID of a CIA operative.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
62. What a load of garbage
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:36 PM
Oct 2015
"Sidney Blumenthal — Clinton’s longtime friend and political adviser — sent the then secretary of state an email to her private account that contained apparently highly sensitive information ... "


So some other guy sends Clinton an email with somebody's name in it and that is somehow her fault??? That kind of BS might work in, oh, kindergarten, but most 2nd or 3rd graders could see that problem with that.

More RW nonsense. This is just an attempt to "validate" the witch hunt after the McCarthy gaffe, and if this is the best they've got they really have nothing.

And so does the writer of this OP. Another weak attempt to smear HRC to prop up Sanders who is falling like the leaves.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
71. But... but... but...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:57 PM
Oct 2015

I was assured by my insider friends at Camp Weathervane that this "phony" email scandal was all over and done, never to be heard of again.

Now I'm crushed!

Crushed I say!

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
121. No fear! Turns out Trey Gowdy lied!
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

I know you must be crushed that you can't trust the partisan Republican hack put in charge of an admitted witch hunt, so here's another one of those big Internet

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
131. So I'll never hear about this, ever again?
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:28 PM
Oct 2015

Do I have your solemn word on that? Never, ever. So very excellent!


mcar

(42,287 posts)
85. Some should be embarassed
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:58 PM
Oct 2015

Support your candidate and advocate for them with passion. But forwarding RW talking points over and over again is not going to help your candidate.

onenote

(42,660 posts)
80. It's disheartening how many posters in this thread
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 05:13 PM
Oct 2015

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accept Trey Gowdy's memes lock, stock, and barrel.

And now that it's been revealed that the CIA didn't consider the information to be classified or even to warrant the redaction (which was done by Gowdy's staff), maybe some of those posters will re-think how their animus makes them Gowdy's unthinking tools.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
148. Such Faith in the CIA! I am stunned and amazed
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:15 AM
Oct 2015

and laughing so hard I will have to change clothes.

The CIA has no credibility to begin with, and a well-known propensity to say whatever the richest and most powerful bidder wants it to say. If the CIA pronounced the sky was blue, I would first find out if the sky was still there...

and start watching for atmospheric thinning on a 12-hour basis.

Birds of a feather...

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
90. Wow. A discredited piece of political oppo posted on DU as if it is fact. Who would have thought?
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 06:40 PM
Oct 2015

Thanks, askew for wearing your true colors so proudly! I would alert on this OP, except that it says so much about the one who posted it, and never let it be said that I stood in the way of people's ability to express themselves.

DURHAM D

(32,607 posts)
99. I was at the grocery store earlier today and
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:12 PM
Oct 2015

was trying to decide what I want for Thursday. I don't buy chips, dip, and cookies usually but made an exception. I didn't think about pizza but that is just a phone call away. Thanks for the idea.

Really looking forward to it.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
101. Way too many excitedly salivating over a presumed "gotcha" moment.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:16 PM
Oct 2015

How embarrassing it's all baloney, and caught spreading RW memes. I'd delete the op,if I were you.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
104. It gives me a chance to repeat my mantra.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:27 PM
Oct 2015

As Hillary Clinton increases her lead in the polls expect the attacks on her to grow exponentially and become increasingly more untethered from reality.





still_one

(92,108 posts)
108. Oh for FFS. bush releases the name of a CIA operative to the NY Times to make it public and
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 08:42 PM
Oct 2015

it was hardly mentioned then and now.

Shame on some for pushing the republican talking points

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
116. I hope we've learned to not to post right-wing oppo pieces on DU.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 09:28 PM
Oct 2015

We know the likes of Trey Gowdy frequently lie and mislead. Don't fall into their traps. Of course, it's a real embarrassment to the so-called journalists who couldn't be bothered to verify this before promoting it. But these days, it's unrealistic to expect better.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
124. Yeah, and that includes the anti-Hillary folks within the party.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:12 PM
Oct 2015

It's not just Republicans who salivate at the opportunity to bring her down. They can keep dreaming, it's not going to work.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
120. How embarssing for the OP....
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 09:58 PM
Oct 2015

This story has been debunked as a Gowdy lie. Too bad there are Democrats all too willing to repeat Gowdy's lies.

askew

(1,464 posts)
127. The problem is Hillary has lied so many times about the emails/server issue
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:00 PM
Oct 2015

that you can't believe anything she says also.

In this case, it appears Gowdy lied. That doesn't mean we can trust a word that comes out of Hillary's mouth.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
133. It's not even that - just babbling something
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:56 PM
Oct 2015

when caught red-handed. Much like Chaffetz's mumbling "we're going to get to the bottom of this" after he got his lunch handed to him at the Planned Parenthood hearings.

 

IanBrownie

(25 posts)
129. You should delete this thread
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:11 PM
Oct 2015

Now that you admit Gowdy lied, and you swallowed his BS.
And now you double down on not trusting Hillary saying you don't buy her defense against Gowdy anyway.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
138. Really? That's your weak-ass defense?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:21 AM
Oct 2015

I think the problem is the Hillary haters are willing to believe anything bad anyone says about her. And instead of admitting your fuck up, here you are doubling down.

You could work on Gowdy's staff.

brush

(53,758 posts)
130. Oh please! This underhandedness by Gowdy has already been debunked by Elijah Cummings . . .
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:12 PM
Oct 2015

the ranking Democratic on the Benghazi committee.

He exposed Gowdy's manipulative redaction of certain emails to make it look like SOS Clinton outed a covert operative.

It is not true and Gowdy is in big trouble because of it.

That came out earlier. Guess you didn't hear about it in your rush to post this OP.

Here's the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141237024

NBachers

(17,096 posts)
137. This is the new New new Hillary email scandal that was debunked before it was even hatched.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:41 AM
Oct 2015

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."

W. C. Fields

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
143. Proven to be another GOP lie to drive down Hillary Clinton's reputation
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:02 AM
Oct 2015

Here is how the GOP does it......

So. Here is the formula.

1. Take one line from an unrelated story from the Daily Mail claiming said "classified" email was really from the Hillary collection at the U.S. Department of State.

2. Let a few hack bloggers and lazy reporters pick up on the phrase "Hillary Clinton emails"

3. Do absolutely no critical thinking or fact-checking

4. Publish it and echo it throughout the lying right-wing chamber until mainstream media outlets pick it up.



The article on the ironically-titled American Thinker blog makes this claim:

This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that, as my friend Mike Nadler says, “she lied in her numerous statements that there were no classified documents on her server, even with her later qualification that none were marked classified at the time."

No, actually what it proves is that there is no speck of bullshit too small for a winger to scoop it up into a little pile and then throw at the Internet to see where it splats.

If you want to make some noise, I suggest you tweet the Daily Mail and demand that they immediately correct their article to remove all references to Hillary Clinton's email server.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/how-right-wing-echo-chamber-spins-bullsht


by the way, you are one of the people the GOP used to help promote this lie.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
158. Rep. Cummings: Gowdy fabricated redactions on Clinton's email to make it look like she'd outed a spy
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:15 PM
Oct 2015

Debunked bullshit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251698364

I suggest a self delete.

oasis

(49,365 posts)
164. Helping Gowdy will be something to brag about at the next gathering.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:38 PM
Oct 2015
"We struck a blow for OUR side".

oasis

(49,365 posts)
167. The so-called Democrats who promote Gowdy's agenda at DU
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:13 PM
Oct 2015

would surely hide their heads in shame if real Democrats knew what they were up to.

I should have used a in my other post.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
163. New and improved scandals!
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:25 PM
Oct 2015

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