I predict, this is the week Hillary lost the nomination. Bernie will be the nominee.

[reformist2]

All the new policy positions. It's too much. Even her supporters can't defend this shameless shape-shifting just to try to win votes.

Nobody believes her now of half the issues - not even her supporters, though they won't admit it. Probably the only issue anyone can believe her on is abortion. Maybe. Everything else is totally negotiable.

I guess her team thought it would be smart to try to move to the left just before the debates. But now skeptical journalists will be champing at the bit to question all these new positions. Next week is going to be a disaster for her.

[leftofcool]

1. Oddly enough, a few new polls have her still in the lead.

You keep on hoping though.

[Fawke Em]

5. They did this time eight years ago, too.

[leftofcool]

9. Sorry, bernie is not Obama. Not even close!

[CentralMass]

12. Yes he (Bernie) is awesome, isn't he.

[putitinD]

33. better than Obams

[shenmue]

35. No.

[trueblue2007]

53. YOU can't even spell the President's name correctly. Geesh

[cui bono]

22. You got that right! Bernie would never join the GOP in the biggest fight against the American people

Bernie opposes TPP.

Bernie would never give the GOP what they ask for before negotiating.

Bernie wears his 'comfortable shoes' every damn day.

And Bernie has outdone Obama in donations and crowds already.

So yeah, you are absolutely right. Not even close!


FEEL THE BERN!!!

[840high]

27. ...^ that

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. True, true, true! He's not Obama.

He's sooooo much better. A TRUE Progressive. One who has actually walked the talk - for 40 YEARS. He's someone who means what he says and doesn't just say things to get elected. He helps his constituents. He has taken bus loads of cancer Patients to Canada to get needed meds. He has helped Vermont's poor to get winter heating oil. He has helped disabled people get their disability checks. And that list goes on and on and on.

You're right, Bernie isn't Obama.

[99Forever]

63. On this we agree.Bernie Sanders IS NOT Obama.

I actually trust Senator Sanders to not lie just to get votes.

[sabrina 1]

70. Well, Bernie is not ANYONE but himself. And one of the best candidates we've had

in the living memories of many voters, which is why as his name recognition increases so does his base of support, across the political spectrum.

There are a few similarities however. At this time in the 2008 race, we Obama supporters were being told how futile our efforts were because only Hillary was 'electable' and 'viable'. I'm getting a sense of deja vu for some reason.

I am excited today. I just took a previously 'non-voter' to register as a Dem in NY so she can vote for Bernie in the election. She has never before been registered as a voter believing it was a 'waste of time'. But Bernie inspired her with his honesty and long consistent record on the issues that matter to her and to most people, that she decided THIS was the time to get involved in the process.

[Scootaloo]

6. Oddly enough, the media only talks about Clinton and Republicans

[Art_from_Ark]

54. Their gravy train might come to a screeching halt under Bernie

Might even derail.

[sabrina 1]

30. With numbers shrinking every month since a complete unknown entered the race, being beaten

by this unknown in two critical states, now polling well in other states where he moving his focus, she should never have lost so much support in just a few months, especially to someone with no Corp money, no name recognition it shows how soft the support was, and only from the Dem base.

A few months ago we saw people posting polls here showing her at over 80%, every week.

New polls show Bernie doing better against the Repubs than Hillary.

And when Bernie's name recognition increases she will lose even more points.

Not to mention those polls you mention are not reflective of Bernie's support many of whom are still not even registered to vote.

[jkbRN]

46. She has done most of the flip flopping in the last couple of days.

Give it a week, then you'll see.

[wyldwolf]

2. bookmarking for fun later.

[DCBob]

4. LOL.. I predict you are wrong.

[reformist2]

7. LOL, you have to go her website daily to know for sure where she stands on the issues.

[HooptieWagon]

11. Maybe GD:P needs a pinned thread...

So we can keep track of her daily flip-flops.

[shenmue]

36. No

[frylock]

71. Just go here instead..

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

[stopbush]

8. I'm a lifelong D (61 yrs old), been on DU from Day One.

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And honestly, I'm really not paying attention at this point. I think most of the electorate is where I am. Hillary is wise to make her flip flops now, because no one who isn't paying attention now will remember a thing about it once they finally start paying attention.

[oasis]

19. You are 100% correct. (eom)

[bkkyosemite]

28. Hillary wise..not if Bernie

sets her flip flops on end at the debate...here's hoping.

[sabrina 1]

32. Wow, so it's 'wise' to take a position you don't believe in just to win an election?

That is precisely why she is going to lose. If you think that because YOU are not paying attention, others are not, you could not be more wrong.

People are suffering, yes, I know, once Wall St crooks were bailed out we were told the economy was improving. Are they KIDDING us?

For Whom?

You clearly have no idea how angry the people are especially at the 'establishment' candidates. Notice the last two midterms? People will not vote for candidates who do not represent their issues, even if they flip flop during the campaign, they want HONEST people in office now.

I can't believe you are okay with exactly what is the reason why Congress and politicians in general, are so unpopular.

And people realize that they MUST get involved and they are.

I am stunned by your comment.

[JRLeft]

69. Mitt Romney did this in the final debate last year.

[senz]

50. Yes, it's important that people know very little about Hillary.

Otherwise, how could she possibly be elected?

[TM99]

52. You do realize that

the GOP will remind the entire electorate of Clinton's flip flopping in ad after ad if she makes it to the GE?

So put your head in the sand right now, but if people are not paying attention now, they certainly will be when and if she is being attacked daily by the GOP in a GE run.

[Tommy2Tone]

10. Will Bernie take back his support for the NRA? UPDATED

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That's the question.

Here a quote from a story in The Washington Post.

As a candidate in 1990, Sanders won over gun rights groups by promising to oppose one bill they hated — a measure that would establish a waiting period for handgun sales. In Congress, he kept that promise. The dynamic served as an early demonstration that, despite his pure-leftist persona, Sanders was at his core a pragmatic politician, calculating that he couldn’t win in rural Vermont without doing something for gun owners

There are other stories about the same thing but his supporters had rather play dumb and act like it never happened.

LInk: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

[cui bono]

23. What support?

[Z_California]

37. Link please. (eom)

[jkbRN]

47. Still waiting on that link...

Oh wait, your lying.

[kath]

48. Also waiting on the link.

It's been 3 hours now - plenty of time for you to find it.

[Tommy2Tone]

67. Find it yo damn self

but I have updated my comment with a link.

Showing the Bern pandered to gun owners to get elected in 1990. Wonder what he would do to get elected to the presidency? Oh wait he's doing it. Promising everything to everyone.

[DianeK]

62. link please?

[restorefreedom]

13. people don't like being played

it is something she has never understood, and it will be her undoing.

[Dawson Leery]

15. When will Bernie flip and repent

his support from the blood soaked NRA?

[left-of-center2012]

16. (Bernie's) support from the blood soaked NRA?

When was that?

[Fearless]

21. Well you know a D- rating

It's practically an endorsement, right??

[cui bono]

24. What support?

[Z_California]

39. Either provide a link

or admit you are full of shit please.

[workinclasszero]

17. Don't quit your day job r2

You have no future as a political prophet.

[jkbRN]

49. Lol,

The OP makes a lot on sense. The fact that you didn't provide a viable argument against the post is quite sad--especially given your clear opposition.

Just in case you don't know what you just did, I'll provide you some literature:

Ad hominem: responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than addressing the content of their arguments.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Have a nice day.

[WillyT]

18. Yep...

Could be...

[BainsBane]

20. If Hillary falters irrevocably, Biden will step in

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Sanders will not be the nominee. The party will not risk a massive loss, not just in the presidency but all down the ballot.

This is also the week two Benghazi committee Republicans went on record saying that entire committee was designed to hurt Clinton's poll numbers.

We shall see. I thought the fall out over BLM would be the end of Bernie, but it seems it may have actually helped his candidacy.

[workinclasszero]

25. I agree. If it isn't Hillary

Democrats will close ranks around Uncle Joe and Bernie will get his 20%

[ibegurpard]

31. I'm so sorry

"I thought the fall out over BLM would be the end of Bernie"

We all know you worked that as hard as you could but there has to be an element of truth for a smear to stick.

[BainsBane]

68. Oh, I couldn't begin to take credit for that

I didn't take to social media to harass black activists and tell black folks they owed Bernie a debt of gratitude. It wouldn't occur to me in a million years to every do anything like that, and I couldn't live with myself if I did.

But true to form, nothing is the responsibility of the BS supporters. Hillary and people like me forced them to harass back folks, forced them to repeatedly insist BLM was a Koch conspiracy. We pull the strings and just makes people do things, and the ones who engage in that behavior bear absolutely no responsibility for their actions. In fact, Hillary Clinton's power is so great that on election day you will all involuntarily pull the lever for her, since Sanders supporters have no control over their own behavior but are mere puppets to the Evil Clinton Empire, the great plot to pierce patriarchy.

[Aerows]

26. The people running her campaign are tone deaf

as hell.

People want authenticity. Changing every damn thing you championed into crusading against it right before the debate hardly looks authentic.

It looks like it absolutely is: A ploy to try and convince voters that she is just as on the bandwagon of social and financial justice as she really hasn't never has been.

If she gets elected, she will forget it like yesterdays newspaper, and go on with a hard right third-way agenda.

Hillary's sudden move to the left is an insult to all savvy voter's intelligence.

[shenmue]

38. Wow, everything you said is completely wrong!

You win some kind of prize!

[Aerows]

43. I will take that prize

and cherish it.

That is a medal of honor signifying that I'm not naive.

[Historic NY]

29. LOL that masterful ad knocked off McCarthy...........

Hillary is rising.

[emulatorloo]

34. IMHO opinion real-world voters are just now tuning in

We're political junkies, so of course we follow all of this closely. Not everybody does, so I don't think we can get a read on voters.

I think Bernie is going to do well in the debates, introducing himself to voters on a national level.

The big game changer is going to be when he wins Iowa and New Hampshire.

[shenmue]

42. Nope

New Hampshire is tiny, and Ohio is only one other state.

He isn't going to get the huge states like California and New York. Those are the states with the most delegates, and he simply isn't going to make up the difference to get them.

[emulatorloo]

44. Maybe I wasn't clear. NH and Iowa are the first primaries. Lots of media focus

Therefore when Bernie wins he will finally get more media coverage. So more voters will know about him once he wins those states. That is what I was trying to say.

Agreed he will not get New York, but I can see Bernie winning California.

[dorkzilla]

55. I don't agree about New York

I think he's got a real shot here; people are excited about him. My evidence is merely anecdotal but there are many Bernistas about town (as evidenced by bumper stickers and enthusiastic tee shirt wearers). Don't count him out.

[Historic NY]

59. Problem is people think of NY the city....

not a state. There is a lot of land between Manhattan Island and Buffalo NY. Hillary has carried the state twice as Senator even with fierce opposition from the GOP. Even the last incursion into the Democratic state politics wasn't cracked during the Governors race.

[dorkzilla]

60. Sanders is going to do well in

the primary state-wide. Hes got broader appeal with independents and small famers upstate (he fights for small ag). if hillary re-ran for her senate seat now she would lose to Gillabrand. Totally different mindset about Hillary now.

[lovemydog]

40. Most people aren't paying much attention now.

I think more will pay attention to the debate Tuesday night.

[C Moon]

41. I'm a Bernie voter, and I have a hard time believing he would win the nomination at this point.

I think there is much more work to be done.

[Aerows]

45. I think the debates

will separate the wheat from the chaff. I expect O'Malley and Sanders to do very well.

I don't know anything about Chaffee or Webb.

[trueblue2007]

51. shameless shape-shifting my butt. HILLARY WILL WIN AND YOU KNOW IT.

[reformist2]

57. I kind of like that phrase. It's catchy. ;)

[hootinholler]

58. So the shape shifting is shameful?

Regrettable?

Or is it shameful and she doesn't care?

[bigwillq]

61. Meh.

No one has won or lost the election at this point. Still a long way to go.

[CoffeeCat]

64. We all know what Hillary is...

...she is a moderate, corporatist war-hawk.

We know this because of how she votes and because of who her campaign donors are (big banks, the prison-industrial complex, big energy and other loathsome corporate enemies).

Her "I'm against the TPP!" bullshit is just bullshit. She's a globalist and she's not fooling anyone. She may have a few liberal stances, put forth during the election cycle, but we know very well how she will govern--as she has voted in the past.

I think she's become a very boring, has-been kind of figure. We used to debate who she was and what she stood for a few years ago. That fight is over. She's become an exhausting, meaningless archetype of days gone by.

She's just not Presidential material and the majority of our party does not see her as the future of our party, but the past.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. "I predict, this is the week Hillary lost the nomination. Bernie will be the nominee."

"I predict, this is the week Hillary lost the nomination. Bernie will be the nominee."

"A dream is a wish the heart makes."

-Cinderella

But I would be remiss in not giving you and your associates a big and hoping you have a nice weekend.

[wyldwolf]

73. indeed