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Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:42 AM

For Presidential politics at least, social media is in the process of slaughtering the old school

Social media is letting people see politicians and political operatives saying one thing to one audience at one time and a completely opposite thing to another audience at a different time.

Once people really come to grips with how common the practice of political doublespeak is then politics is going to have to change. When every major policy statement a politician or pundit has made is subject to instant video review of their own words in many different settings it seems to me that being both correct and consistent become major political advantages.

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Reply For Presidential politics at least, social media is in the process of slaughtering the old school (Original post)
Fumesucker Oct 2015 OP
in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #1
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #13
in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #20
retrowire Oct 2015 #2
MasonDreams Oct 2015 #10
musiclawyer Oct 2015 #15
retrowire Oct 2015 #18
Hortensis Oct 2015 #3
Fumesucker Oct 2015 #5
Hortensis Oct 2015 #21
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #12
haikugal Oct 2015 #26
MasonDreams Oct 2015 #4
DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #6
Fumesucker Oct 2015 #7
Fawke Em Oct 2015 #9
Fumesucker Oct 2015 #11
Fawke Em Oct 2015 #8
DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #14
hifiguy Oct 2015 #23
DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #25
artislife Oct 2015 #16
sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #17
restorefreedom Oct 2015 #19
hifiguy Oct 2015 #22
Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #24
orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #27

Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:53 AM

1. Exactly. It's THE game changer.

Old school just hasn't figured that out yet. Look at what our corrupt MSM spews on a daily basis. They don't realize social media is out here countering every lie, fabrication, spin and half-truth they spew. Then they are SHOCKED!!! to see Bernie doing so well in polls and at his rallies.

Social media really is the game changer for politics. They can't blatantly lie anymore.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:50 PM

13. That's why Chuck Todd is so 'puzzled' by the Sanders surge. Here he is doing his job

for the Corps, and he can't figure out why it no longer works! Being a shill for the Corporations was what he willing to do to get his job working for them, but he's failing and he doesn't know why. Lol!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 04:31 PM

20. It really is comical.

All this well prepared propaganda used to work so well! What happened to our magic touch?

Bernie and the internet happened - while they were ignoring him! I absolutely love it!

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:39 PM

2. KnR

the hive mind of the internet is an amalgamation of all of our brains, constantly fact checking and observing, 24/7.

we are truly united because of this tool. they can use it to collect data on us, sure. but they can't figure out how to control the output of that data.

its too fast, we're too volatile an entity to ever be kept down because of it.

the internet is the greatest, socialist commodity ever introduced to humanity and we should remember that.

we should do everything in our power to keep it because of this fact.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:42 PM

10. Very good, and very Important. Thank you!

The Internet hive mind will not be controlled. Especially by fear, cooler heads will prevail.

Thomas Jefferson said " I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man"

Extreme emotion supersedes rational thought. "We are truly united because of this tool", and therefore, unafraid of those who

will sow fear and hate to provoke irrational violence.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:58 PM

15. Can I quote that and given you credit on my FB page.

Fabulous language

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Response to musiclawyer (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 04:02 PM

18. sure thing! thanks for asking! :) n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:47 PM

3. Actually, the first of these, the TP, was a creation of

the tobacco industry and the Koch brothers, employing social media. Those on the left with extremist tendencies that make them vulnerable to being swept up in similarly irresponsible reactionary winds should view them as a cautionary example. If possible.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:59 PM

5. A tsunami is all but imperceptible out at sea, you probably won't even notice it

It's only when the wave gets close to shore that it builds up into a wall of water...

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:21 PM

21. True, but sadly many don't even understand it happened after

it's hit and destroyed. They just jump to blame someone or some direction they didn't like in the first place.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:43 PM

12. You mean like 'those extremists on the Left' who used it so well to elect our current President?

Airc, Obama's campaign was the first to use this amazing tool, the new Public Square, magnified of course, to help get him elected. I know, I used it then the same way I am using it now to get another great candidate elected.

All those 'extreme lefties' were lauded at the time, for recognizing the power of the New Media.

The printing press was used similarly of course when it first appeared by Ben Franklin among others and received the same kind of reaction from those who had yet to catch up with the progress being made regarding how people communicate.

More technological progress followed and was again used by savvy forward thinking individuals to promote their candidates and candidacies, Radio, TV.

People are always scared of new ideas and one day there will be more progress in communications and the Internet will replace TV as the 'old media'.

As a Progressive I love progress especially before it is taken over and controlled by Corps, and for a while, provides a voice for the PEOPLE.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:51 PM

26. Yes! Well said Sabrina 1....

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:49 PM

4. Power to the people!!! John Lennon

We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore!!!
Game Changer!! MSM lost in space, people see what's happening.
$$$ buying lies, deception, and more lies. FEEL The BERN!!!

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:02 PM

6. I consider that to be one of the biggest (and unheralded) stories of this election cycle.

 

Social media has been talked about for the last few election cycles, but this time around, it's mature, and it's making a real difference.

Look at Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, and others. People KNOW the media is lying to them, about this, that and the other. People know that the media pushes their preferred angle, whatever that happens to be. And people know that old school media outlets don't have any real value to offer them. And it's not just young people who intrinsically understand this. They're the biggest group, yes, but millions of us in our 40's still feel young and still avail ourselves of the latest technologies.

Incidentally, this is why I think TV spots for candidates are becoming less and less useful for the candidates who air them. And I think they're starting to get that, which is why a lot of spots are aimed at older voters.

With social media, the only thing we need to develop our own opinions and begin discussing/arguing amongst ourselves, are "just the facts". In practice, since the media is not trustworthy, this means getting a few different sources to ensure to the extent possible that we're getting the facts of a given story. And we've got it from there, thanks.

I'm glad you posted this.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:08 PM

7. My youngest grandchild starts driving next year

I had a youngster ask me recently what the third pedal in my car was for.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:32 PM

9. LOL. I still drive a manual transmission, too.

I have a sports car.

I think it should be illegal for sports cars to be sold with automatic transmissions. LOL!!

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:42 PM

11. Well...

Sports cars with intermittent combustion engines anyway..

“What the hell did you do to my Porsche? I just spent a quarter of a million dollars on this thing, and it sucks now!“


http://www.democraticunderground.com/112762709

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:31 PM

8. I'm the content director at the IT security company I work for.

Not only do I write about how to stay safe using these platforms, I use these platforms to get my company's message out.

And, I got my start in writing as a newspaper reporter. It's shocking to me to see how bad the media has become in the 13 years I've been away from it. It's absolutely horrible.

I'm in my 40s, as well, but, in a twist, I was the Mom teaching my son and his school friends about social media when they were in middle school (but I also got to tell them how to stay safer online, too). He's in high school, now, but I've got a daughter who'll start using social media soon so I get to do it all over again.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 01:57 PM

14. I listened to a few minutes of NPR yesterday afternoon.

 

The in-studio host was talking with a reporter about the circus events surrounding the selection of the next Speaker. I'd characterize their conversation as colloquial-but-stupid. Paraphrased, based on what I remember:

InStudio: So, will this have an effect on the Republicans' chances of getting a budget bill passed? (major uptalk at the end of the question)

Reporter: So, you know, I asked Republican leadership about this, and they were like...

The entire conversation was conducted like that. So's and uh's and likes. And in the end, almost nothing was actually said. I wish I could remember more of it.

Good luck with round 2 of safe social media training.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:29 PM

23. Exactly. 5,000 people didn't show up to hear Bernie

 

in Minneapolis because of ad buys. It was old-fashioned word-of-mouth using the new media platforms, and that was very early on in his candidacy.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:32 PM

25. Exactly. And while I said it wasn't just just the younger demographic participating...

 

...they obviously are a large percentage. And they need to turn out to vote. But that's for another thread.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:08 PM

16. Frankly, I think a lot of money is being wasted on Ads

 

But it is keeping food on people's tables and that is no small thing.

But social media is carrying the message further.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:26 PM

17. There are always pros and cons about

any kind of media. I detest social media when it allows
some isolated nuts to get together and become indoctrinated
hate machines.

Politically it may cause a problem too. Since everything
anyone has said can be resurrected in a moment, candidates
will hardly speak about anything of substance unless they
are sure of their message. There is also the loss of any
privacy, which is a sad fact.

However,social media are playing a major role now, which
can and will show up positively or negatively.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:27 PM

22. And people can see ONE candidate who

 

always says the same things, no matter who he may be speaking to.

That is called honesty and integrity, something people haven't seen for quite a while, but they seem to like if for some reason.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:31 PM

24. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, FumeSucker.

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Response to Fumesucker (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:54 PM

27. MSM supports the " I'd like to say this about that " aspect of politics, that's why Chuck Toad is

 

so surprised people don't let circus barkers like himself interpret the world .

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