Insiders to Clinton: Lay off Sanders

[KoKo]

Will She or Won't She? Should She?

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The POLITICO Caucus
Insiders to Clinton: Lay off Sanders

By Katie Glueck--10/09/15 05:09 AM EDT
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Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders will appear onstage together at the first Democratic debate next week, but don't expect fireworks: Leading Democrats say it would be a mistake for Clinton to attack Sanders.

That's the assessment of this week's POLITICO Caucus, our bipartisan survey of the top activists, operatives and strategists in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. (Names of the Insiders Polled at Link)

Majorities of Democrats in the first three states warned that Clinton should not play offense against Sanders, while Nevada Democrats were evenly divided. Sanders has gained on Clinton in the early state polls, and according to some surveys, leads her in New Hampshire. Those who said Clinton should hold back on attacking argued that she needed to be careful to not alienate his supporters.

"As much as it would be personally satisfying to see her eat his lunch, it's not necessary or helpful," a New Hampshire Democrat said, a view that was shared by 56 percent of Democrats in that state. "She needs to keep her eyes on the prize and make sure she does not alienate his voters for the general election."

"Directly attacking Bernie would only increase acrimony from elements of the base she will need later on -- this is why there are Super PACs," advised a Nevada Democrat, who like all participants was granted anonymity in order to speak freely.

Ultimately, several insiders noted, Clinton is still considered the likely Democratic nominee, and any jabs at Sanders in Las Vegas next week will only elevate him.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/insiders-to-clinton-lay-off-sanders-214594

[jfern]

1. You mean she shouldn't have her supporters insinuate that Bernie's

supporters all have race issues?

[mylye2222]

5. Or that they are all RWers disguised as lefties?

[Motown_Johnny]

6. Or maybe that he is hard to work with, or a pacifist...

or whatever the current lie is at the time.

[Hortensis]

2. I doubt HRC and her campaign need advice any of us

could have given her ourselves. Her job is to come across as presidential among a flock of wannabees.

FWIW, Bernistas shouldn't mistake any statements of disagreement for flying knives, which we all know they are very prone to doing.

[Fumesucker]

8. Indeed, keeping things on a loftier plane is good and we have great examples to follow

How can one really know what she believes or intends to do about anything? The only things Hillary's experience seems to be good for is perfecting how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, engaging in the politics of personal destruction and other aspects of her ruthless pursuit of power that remind one of what a Karl Rove might do. That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee. -Steven Leser v 2.0.08

[Hortensis]

10. You're quoting a slimy right-wing hit man about HRC, but

note -- you DON'T have to follow that path. Your choice.

[Maedhros]

14. The HRC Group will not like you for calling their buddy

"a slimy right-wing hit man."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110720713

[Fumesucker]

21. Please

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026276064

The manufactured outrage that purports to be legitimate criticism of Hillary is pathetic
Speaking fees? Her charity received donations from folks whose checks were drawn froma massive bank that had issues in a totally different area. This is supposed to be why we ought to be "concerned" about Hillary's impending candidacy?!

If that's all her detractors have got, I'm more confident than ever that she is the right candidate.
-Steven Leser v 2.0.15

[Hortensis]

53. Sorry, Fumesucker. I associate this guy with Fox and trust him hardly

more than I trust the integrity of David Brock or Ariana Huffington. Oh, well. Again, sorry for hitting you myself. I can't blame you for picking out a paragraph that's uncomplimentary to someone you don't want for president.

[Fumesucker]

55. Steven is very popular in the HRC group, indeed they are standing up for him here in GD-P right now

I don't blame you for not thinking his integrity is high, that's an opinion I hold also. What would have shocked me a few years ago are the other Hillary supporters who are defending him, now I rather expect that sort of behavior from a certain quarter.

There was a thread or two a few days ago about some pro-Palestinian protesters being thrown out of a Bernie rally, every Bernie supporter who posted said they did not agree with that action. They said not good enough Bernie.

If Hillary would pick one set of principles and stick to them she would be a lot easier candidate to trust, as it is she's all over the map from pleading guilty to being kinda moderate and center one moment and the next thing you know she's doing a Vulcan mind meld with Bernie Sanders.

[Hortensis]

57. You guys should be patting yourself on the backs for clearing a path

to the left. Your badly warped, and IMO very irresponsibly self indulgent, view of what and who mainstream Democrats are leads you to completely misinterpret what is happening. Like the TPers, you're focused on attacking and destroying your own instead of achieving your goals.

Historians will explain it with extensive research interpreted with the wisdom of hindsight later on, but it would be terrible for you and our nation as a whole if lack of understanding now lead to a very poor ending to our story.

[Fumesucker]

58. We know a head fake when we see it

I'm guessing about a 25% chance Bernie can make it, someone like him will never get another chance, the nomination process will be hermetically sealed by the establishment now if he doesn't get to the general. Better odds than I would have given us even six months ago.

You think we don't understand the people we live, love, work and play among every day, our family members, our friends, our acquaintances, our co workers? Really?

I can't think of anyone I know who isn't economically stretched tight, a lot of them are trying to pretend they're not but I know the signs. The family member for instance who needs my help getting their AC repaired in the middle of the summer because they can't afford the commercial service despite the fact they have two professional incomes.

In any case here's my philosophy..

[Hortensis]

59. 1950s female passivity? Really? I don't think you meant that.

As for liberalism being all about poor people saying, "I need more," liberal principals are magnificent and far, far larger than that.

But regarding that issue, for a very long time now liberals have believed that a living wage is intrinsic to the principle that all men are entitled to the rights to life, liberty, and happiness. Our constitution is meant to be used by us to secure the blessings of liberty and equality for ourselves.

Conservatives do not believe people should be paid any more than employers are willing to, and they do not believe in the founders' intent in the constitution. That's a big part of why they're so busy trying to reinterpret the constitution, which is a liberal document that does not serve their philosophy.

Que sera, all right. Just see how you do if you get yet another conservative president and Senate elected. The GOP treats every election as an opportunity to ignore the wishes of the people and dismantle more and more of the liberal and progressive structure that they are literally unable to understand made this country great.

[Fumesucker]

60. Setting up to blame anything but Hillary and pragmatic moderate centrism for the loss

The future's not ours to see but that move is getting telegraphed all the way to more than year before the election.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

[Hortensis]

61. You misunderstand. I'm setting up to blame YOU with the GOP

if we lose the presidency, the Senate, and various governorships we may be able to win. When I said I believed irresponsible self indulgence was behind much of the immoderate hostility toward other Democrats, I meant it.

[Fumesucker]

62. Immoderate hostility such as comparing Hillary to Karl Rove?

We really can't help it if Leser is more eloquent than we are, he is a professional wordsmith and it shows, his words from 2008 resonated with me.

Remember when you point the finger there are three others pointing back at you.

This also happened in 2008...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/25/obama.clinton.debt/index.html?iref=newssearch

June 25 , 2008

(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama has asked top contributors to help former rival Sen. Hillary Clinton retire the debt from her failed presidential campaign, an Obama campaign source said.

Obama and Clinton ran a protracted race for the Democratic presidential nomination that left Clinton with a campaign debt of more than $22 million when she bowed out this month.

About $12 million of that amount is money the senator from New York loaned to the campaign herself.

Obama asked members of his National Finance Committee to contribute to Clinton's campaign if they were so inclined, but he did not direct them to do so, the Obama campaign source said Tuesday.

[Motown_Johnny]

9. Short memory.

[Hortensis]

11. Very different situation, misleading video. They went after each other

each other multiple times in this debate because they were now much farther into a seriously competitive campaign and both were using everything they had. This was not the first debate, when Obama was a relative unknown. Oh, and misleading video because it cut out the attack she was initially responding to.

This reminds me of the sausage-making analogy. I'm not the kind of person campaigns descend into the swamps to grab attention from, but I do understand why candidates behave this way and sympathize with and respect them anyway. In this case, I voted for Hillary in the primary, feeling Obama would run again in the years ahead, and then felt glad, and fortunate, that the candidate Hillary lost to was him.

It is not only not necessary to regard primary opponents with hostility, but it's very foolish when they are themselves viable candidates.

[Motown_Johnny]

12. You do understand that the attack was pure Bull Shit.. Right?

She needs advice.

Lots of advice, and even that won't be enough.

[Hortensis]

13. Technically, my guy Obama did work for a slumlord. Yes, it was bullshit

anyway, but she wasn't the only one slinging it.

Speaking of, isn't it more than a bit hypocritical for the pack of two-fisted mudslingers on this forum to complain about that? I get that we expect our leaders to be better than us (or at least really need them to be), but THAT much better?

Come on.

[CentralMass]

27. I recall reading this Boston Globe article at the time

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/

[Hortensis]

52. Good article, but programs like this require continued commitment

to an ideal and adequate funding. Abandonment of purpose and refusal to fund will kill them, and many on the right have been dedicated to destroying them, not just there but everywhere.

This is without even considering the dreadful effects of "Reaganomics" on the working and lower classes. If many of us here are making less than we did in 1970, just consider the problems of those who once were barely able to sustain working full time but now look back on those "glory days" with longing and despair.

[CentralMass]

63. There was much more goīng on there then lack of commitment.

[arcane1]

3. Seems like she's adopting the "imitate Sanders" strategy instead. n/t

[hrmjustin]

4. All of them shouod refrain from attacking each other.

Pointing out differences is good but do it politely.

[bvf]

15. Yes, pointing out differences is legit.

Like differences in Hillary's positions from last month or last year, from her positions today.

Absolutely legit. I agree.

[PoliticAverse]

7. Considering her lead in the polls why should she attack any of the other candidates?

She should just push her proposed policies and argue why her's are better than the others'.

[99Forever]

17. What policies?

The ones from today? Or yesterday? Or last week? Or last month? Or 9 years ago? Or tomorrow?

[99Forever]

16. Bwahahahahahaha.

Good luck with that.

Bernie is gonna clean her clock and NEVER have to go negative or break a sweat.

Why the fuck do you think Debbie Downer put so many blockages to the debates? Hillary is in BIG trouble.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Bernie is gonna clean her clock and NEVER have to go negative or break a sweat.

Bernie is gonna clean her clock and NEVER have to go negative or break a sweat.

I must respectfully demur from your assessment . Your candidate will unfortunately be the gentleman in the gray trunks:






That being said your bravado makes me and I would be remiss in not giving you a big and hoping you have a happy weekend.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. With a hug

Please keep your hands to yourself, virtual and otherwise.

-99 Forever

With all due respect here is my post in its entirety:

"Bernie is gonna clean her clock* and NEVER have to go negative or break a sweat."

-99 Forever


I must respectfully demur from your assessment . Your candidate will unfortunately be the gentleman in the gray trunks:




That being said your bravado makes me and I would be remiss in not giving you a big and hoping you have a happy weekend.

I don's see any inference, suggestion, implication, allusion, what have you, that I want to put my hands on anybody and that is an interesting allegation from a gentleman who posted this:

"Bernie is going to clean her clock."

-99 Forever



Despite your calumny against me I still feel it is incumbent upon me to give you the warmest of internet and hope you have a nice weekend.

P.S. If wanting to give the world a big hug is tantamount to "wanting to put my hands on somebody" then I am not an innocent man.

With love and hugs,
DSB



*clean someone's clock-


clean someone's clock
to strike and punish someone
I am about ready to clean someone's clock.

clobber bust someone's ass clean the floor with clean up on clout fix someone's wagon hand someone their head idioms kick someone's butt knock someone for a loop make mincemeat out of military mop the floor with politics religion sports students trounce whoop someone's ass wipe the floor with





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[99Forever]

25. Frankly dear...

... I don't give a damn.

Bless your heart.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I am just relieved you don't want to "clean my clock" which is what you suggest Bernie do to a woman

25. Frankly dear...
... I don't give a damn.
...

-99 Forever

I am just relieved you don't want to "clean my clock" which is what you suggest Bernie do to a woman

"Bernie is gonna clean her clock..."

-99 Forever

clean someone's clock
to strike and punish someone
I am about ready to clean someone's clock.

20 WORDS RELATED TO CLEAN SOMEONE'S CLOCK
clobber bust someone's ass clean the floor with clean up on clout fix someone's wagon hand someone their head idioms kick someone's butt knock someone for a loop make mincemeat out of military mop the floor with politics religion sports students trounce whoop someone's ass wipe the floor with


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clean+someone%27s+clock


Here's a big internet . When you think about cleaning someone's clock , think about giving them a instead.


With hugs:
DSB

[99Forever]

29. ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. The world needs less of this:

The world needs less of this:

"Bernie is gonna clean her clock..."

-99 Forever

clean someone's clock -
to strike and punish someone
I am about ready to clean someone's clock.

and more of this:

Next time you want to "clean someone's clock" you can watch that youtube.


With love,
DSB

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Thank you, sir.

Should you ever feel the need to "clean someone's clock" I will be there for you to give you a and make you feel better.


Hugs,
DSB

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Thank you...

I you too!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. And a blessing for you as well

P.S. I am glad you are offering to bless me and not "clean my clock."

With blessings,
DSB

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. I feel very blessed

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. And bless you as well. I hope you have too many blessing to count, that they are infinite

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Thank you. Did you enjoy our tete a tete as much as I did?

[left-of-center2012]

18. Each should just state their policies

Let the voters choose.
But I assume the morning after the debates SUPERPACS will go all out war.

[roguevalley]

19. he will do fine. Name an issue and Bernie was on the right side of it

from day one.

[left-of-center2012]

20. Hillary switched

One of the cable news shows last night, I think on CNN,
said Hillary recently switched most of her positions recently to match Bernie,
hoping to not be attacked on them during the debates,
but leaving her open to being attacked for flip flopping.

[LondonReign2]

33. Running as a liberal in the primaries and then governing as a

1980's economic Republican? I've see this one before, didn't care for it.

[magical thyme]

28. oh please, by all means 'eat his lunch'

Please proceed, Hillary

[riversedge]

35. I think Hillary will stick to contrasting her policies with others.

[ucrdem]

41. I think that's what's worrying them.

[riversedge]

46. uh -who is them? I think Politico did this focus group to manufacture

more crap on the Hillary camp. And the title is stupid and misleading. Where did the the the idea that Hillary might lay into Sanders offensively come from if not from the msm!! It is obvious by many of the comments above, the Sander fans would love to have Hillary hit on him but my guess is that she will stick to policy issues--which she has rolled out over the summer and fall and is eager to have the debate nationally.

[ucrdem]

48. Yes it seems that way.

Basically this sounds like a pre-emptive attempt from Team Bernie to save his bacon: they realize Hillary has positioned herself to to deliver the coup de grâce so to speak and they're trying to shame her into pulling her punches. In other words they're worried.

p.s. there's a long list of "caucus" members at the end of the article but they're not identified beyond state and various disclaimers make it clear that the writer is pulling quotes to fit a narrative.

[ucrdem]

39. Sounds like these unnamed "insiders" are worried.

I don't blame them. Clinton has closed off Bernie's best lines of attack, whereas he's a sitting duck on Democratic party membership, immigration, foreign policy experience, and gun control. So good luck telling Hilary to let herself lose.

[DCBob]

49. There is no reason to attack Bernie.

She doesnt need to... she is still the front runner. Bernie the candidate is not her problem.. its the GOP and media and desperate Bernie supporters tag teaming her on the bogus email scandal.

[riversedge]

50. And who is attaching Bernie? Seems to be a made up issue from the media.

Why even do such a divisive survey?? Of course we know the msm wants a horse race.

[MineralMan]

51. I doubt very much that she was planning to do otherwise.

She's not going to attack Sanders. She's going to do her best to present answers to debate questions that will help convince people to support her. I'm sure all of the candidates will be doing the same. This is a Democratic debate, not a Republican free-for-all.

We'll see, of course.

[LittleBlue]

54. Bernie is being underestimated. He is very eloquent on his feet

Hillary is notoriously bad in front of the cameras.

[Fumesucker]

56. Sandbagging can be fun and profitable

Or maybe we should call it Sandersbagging?