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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:39 PM Oct 2015

It’s something that might have been called neocon ... her supporters are not going to call it that

Events in Iraq Open Door for Interventionist Revival, Historian Says
Robert Kagan Strikes a Nerve With Article on Obama Policy
By JASON HOROWITZ JUNE 15, 2014

A decade after their fierce advocacy for the war in Iraq largely discredited neoconservatives like Paul D. Wolfowitz and Richard N. Perle, who argued most loudly for democracy exportation through military power, Mr. Kagan is hardly apologetic about the current mess. Instead, he believes that the widespread frustration over Mr. Obama’s disengagement despite the resurgence of organized terrorist groups in the region has created the climate to again make the case for interventionism.

His father, Donald Kagan, a historian of ancient Greece, is a patriarch of neoconservatism. His brother, Fred, is a military scholar who helped conceive the American troop increase in Iraq in 2007. His wife and unofficial editor, Victoria Nuland, is an assistant secretary of state and one of the country’s toughest and most experienced diplomats, whose fervor for building democracy in Ukraine recently leaked out in an embarrassing audio clip.

“A very nice family,” said William Kristol, a family friend and the founder of the conservative Weekly Standard, whose father, Irving, is another of neoconservatism’s father figures and one of Robert’s first bosses.

But Exhibit A for what Robert Kagan describes as his “mainstream” view of American force is his relationship with former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who remains the vessel into which many interventionists are pouring their hopes. Mr. Kagan pointed out that he had recently attended a dinner of foreign-policy experts at which Mrs. Clinton was the guest of honor, and that he had served on her bipartisan group of foreign-policy heavy hitters at the State Department, where his wife worked as her spokeswoman.

“I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Mr. Kagan said, adding that the next step after Mr. Obama’s more realist approach “could theoretically be whatever Hillary brings to the table” if elected president. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” he added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”


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It’s something that might have been called neocon ... her supporters are not going to call it that (Original Post) portlander23 Oct 2015 OP
What say you to this, Hillaristas? cpompilo Oct 2015 #1
they may need the last 2 paragraphs pulled out for them... magical thyme Oct 2015 #2
I won't be voting for any more conservatives, ever Doctor_J Oct 2015 #3
You and millions of other Americans Doctor J. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #7
I'm old and won't be around in fifteen years. I'm now voting for my grandchildren's Doctor_J Oct 2015 #10
We now have 2 more imploding ME countries, 2 proxy wars with Russia cprise Oct 2015 #4
I call it neocon, but I'm not a supporter. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #5
Now stop demagogueing like that! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #8
Demagogueing? in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #11
Seems that way. Not for us Bernie supporters of course!! The new word doesn't sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #12
They're throwing spaghetti at tbe wall in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #13
No, no, she's a progressive peacenik. Read it right here on DU. Scuba Oct 2015 #6
I would love to hear from some Hillary supporters Oilwellian Oct 2015 #9
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
2. they may need the last 2 paragraphs pulled out for them...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:48 PM
Oct 2015

But Exhibit A for what Robert Kagan describes as his “mainstream” view of American force is his relationship with former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who remains the vessel into which many interventionists are pouring their hopes. Mr. Kagan pointed out that he had recently attended a dinner of foreign-policy experts at which Mrs. Clinton was the guest of honor, and that he had served on her bipartisan group of foreign-policy heavy hitters at the State Department, where his wife worked as her spokeswoman.

“I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Mr. Kagan said, adding that the next step after Mr. Obama’s more realist approach “could theoretically be whatever Hillary brings to the table” if elected president. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” he added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
10. I'm old and won't be around in fifteen years. I'm now voting for my grandchildren's
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:46 PM
Oct 2015

future. Putting Hillary in the white house is not the best move for them.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
4. We now have 2 more imploding ME countries, 2 proxy wars with Russia
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:37 AM
Oct 2015

And they're backstabbing Obama, saying he made a mess. Well, it was his fault for consulting and employing neocons.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Now stop demagogueing like that!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
Oct 2015

Lol! That's the NEW word for telling the truth about her Iraq War vote.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Seems that way. Not for us Bernie supporters of course!! The new word doesn't
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:19 PM
Oct 2015

seem to be gaining any more traction than all the others they've tried.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
13. They're throwing spaghetti at tbe wall
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:47 PM
Oct 2015

just trying to get something to stick. Poor things. It's so hard to attack someone who is correct on every issue and has been correct on issues for 40 years. I love typing that.

His ethics cannot be questioned. How many politicians can we say that about? ONE - Bernie.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
9. I would love to hear from some Hillary supporters
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:07 PM
Oct 2015

In particular about Kagan believing...

former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who remains the vessel into which many interventionists are pouring their hopes.


Do Hillary supporters agree we should send troops back into the Middle East?
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