2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Bernie Sanders is going to be President, in two words
HE RULES!!!!!!!!!!
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(And there is nothing anyone can do to undermine how awesome he is!!!)
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:10 PM - Edit history (2)
It's actually an attack against Bernie which was picked up from a right wing website.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=672129
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Cheers!!!
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)The image is RW "parody" of Sanders' stance against wealth inequality and your OTT championing of the image is not fooling anyone with two working brain cells to rub together.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,466 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)The truth stands, that we must help the poor before we eliminate poverty!!!!! It's fucking common sense!
George II
(67,782 posts)FSogol
(45,355 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)
For those who didn't get it.
http://christophercantwell.com/2015/06/07/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-dangerous-man-in-america/
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Ma'am in the past. I have not. You are trying to discredit my OP now, by tying it to RW sites.
Shame on you.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)The graphic came from a RW wing site. It doesn't agree with Sanders thoughts on poverty.
I have not attacked you, but you are mistaken about the word subsidize. Your graphic bashes Sanders, a candidate you claim to support. Don't you see the problem with it?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)And what about your personal attack???give proof i have called you "Ma'am" before, or delete your post accusing me I have said that in the past!!!
FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I haven't talked to you I years, and your profile never said your gender back then. You have been on ignore until the a few months back when I took everyone off.
Maybe you should mention your gender in your profile if you want others notbto guess!!!
FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)At least.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)Post all my "attacks."
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I had nothing but nasty posts from you , hence you were on ignore.
Now post proof I have called you Ma'am before. I have not.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Post proof or delete!!
FSogol
(45,355 posts)Try reading before responding.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)if I ever refered to you in a wrong gender. I remember clearly though, I have never called you Ma'am before, so you should retract that.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)You called me "she" once and "ma'am" once. That is two times using the wrong gender. 1 time (she) + 1 time (ma'am) is 2 times calling me the wrong gender. That's why I said twice.
1+1 = 2. You apologized in this thread and I accepted that apology.
You keep calling me out for supposed attacks which never happened. Will you apologize?
You also posted an anti-Bernie graphic. If you are really a Sanders supporter you should change the graphic.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Summon Skinner to vouch for that. I always look at posters profiles before addressing them.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)profiles first because you got my wrong twice.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Ask Skinner when was last time you updated yours.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)you seem to have been suckered as dark angel said.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)to not care about the poor? And we should let that go unchallenged?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)We haven't got the money, we haven't got the money
daleanime
(17,796 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Because the poor are making the rich wealthy.
and the rich get wealthy thanks to subsidies especially for gas and oil.
So I do want to "subsidize" that is share some of our wealth with the poor.
I'm all for that.
Conservatives think that helping (or subsidizing if you will) the poor is a bad thing. They think it makes people lazy.
Well I think that too much wealth makes people wealthy.
I'm for helping the poor.
Beaverhausen
(24,466 posts)I think some here are being fooled by a RW meme. read it again. closely.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,466 posts)my god. this is nuts.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Wow..OK. So I guess you are against subsidising the needy??
Gore1FL
(21,027 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)We need to help the poor, before they help themselves.
Rich assholes and wall Streeters hate it, obviously.
Sanders is only speaking the truth. We need to help our own people first and foremost.
Subsiding them, means only helping them until they can help themselves. And it has nada to do with the joke welfare system present today.
Gore1FL
(21,027 posts)Let's especially not send such slurs to the greatest page.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)RWs can make any meme anytime. This is not one of them .
Do you not support "subsidising the poor"?? Till they get back on their feet??? I'm trying to understand what is the problem.
Gore1FL
(21,027 posts)The presentation in a way that makes the truth look like a lie is what I have a problem with.
If you can't see how the phrasing spins it negatively, there is really nothing further I can add.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Disgusting..
FSogol
(45,355 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)What the hell does that mean?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)But thanks for the only slightly condescending welcome.
(And no, I didn't change my name because I was banned or some such nonsense. I had an unrelated privacy issue)
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Bernie's goals have been vastly discussed here for quite a while now.
Welcome back!
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)I don't think so. I think he'd prefer to eliminate it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the sentiment.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)To subsidize something is to support it's continuation.
Subsidize affordable housing? Yes.
Subsidize fuel assistance? Yes
Subsidize transportation infrastructure? Yes.
Subsidize poverty? Uh, no thanks. I'd rather do away with it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)intent. Do you agree with the intent of the OP?
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)I feel no sense of awe when I contemplate Bernie Sanders.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Of course, that would be the opposite of "subsidizing poverty".
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The intent of the op is patently false with respect to Sanders beliefs. He isn't a trickle downer. He wants to end poverty.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Too bad they fail so quickly
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)and saying he wants to eliminate poverty is a distraction? This place keeps getting better and better. Someone brings a very poorly worded graphic here, I correct them and let them know that Sanders wants to eliminate poverty, not subsidize it; and you call it a distraction.
Have it your way. I will change my tune to agree with you. Sanders wants to continue to subsidize poverty in this country to ensure we have a whole group without a voice. I personally don't believe that but you seem to want to argue for exactly that.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)disagree with. There are two sides to this class war and it looks like you aren't on the side that wants the wealth gap to be reduced. 16,000,000 American children live in poverty and another 16,000,000 live in low income homes. Goldman-Sachs and the billionaires are ok with that. Sen Sanders is not.
randome
(34,845 posts)'Subsidize poverty'. Good God.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Facts are facts, no matter how much you twist them.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)status quo of the wealth gap growing even wider. I think those here that disparage Sen Sanders' message think the 1% were given their wealth by God to take care of the rest of us.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The graphic you brought here is patently false. As I have said, Sanders has brought a lot of new people into the process. They can even put graphics together. They should just understand a candidates position before they do. The graphic you brought here is patently false with respect to Sanders position.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)He is referring to taxing the rich and going after Wall Street.
Nice try though.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)This meme, less so.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Of all posts you could point to I wouldn't point to that one. lol.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Your profile reads "Member since: Fri Oct 9, 2015, 05:32 PM"... that's probably the reason for the reaction.
Kinda odd behavior for Dems if you ask me. We're supposed to be the inclusive group (trolls aside of course).
Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)sloppy language.
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)The language is sloppy -- and the condescending welcome was unfriendly.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)In lieu of the poster recommending better wording, asking the question appears to be aimed at disparaging the message.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)They ought to hire some professionals to help with that.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)I have no idea what is genuine, what is parody, or what is intentionally subversive.
That meme screams parody. There is no other way that my brain can process it. It's almost like a parody of a parody -- that is, a DU parody of what a right-wing parody of Bernie Sanders might look like.
If the language was merely "sloppy", then they coincidentally nailed it, and by "nailed it" I mean they coincidentally captured in one word every right-wing or conservative's cartoonish conception of Bernie Sanders the "socialist".
We "subsidize" the things we want to encourage. There isn't any other way to use the word.
I'm truly stumped.
randome
(34,845 posts)They are rife with triple and quadruple agents! Trust no one!!!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)You are thinking in the current state of mind. Which is much different from what Bernie stands for.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It is a failed proposition and not one Sanders believes in. Might want to change the graphic.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Do you not believe that universal healthcare belongs to that??? And Increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour, to fight poverty?? We are going to subsidize it by taxing the rich what they deserve go be taxed, and giving a break to the working poor, so they may see a light on the end of the tunnel. We are not going to start unnecessary wars. We are not going to invest what we don't need in the military. We are going to invest it into OUR OWN PEOPLE!! A concept so strange to so many other presidential aspirants.
That, NC.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That is not subsidizing poverty. Subsidizing poverty is what we do today and Sanders doesn't support todays economy. He wants to eliminate poverty. Not sure why you are making his position sound like trickle down. It isn't and the graphic is very poorly worded at best. Really it's just flat out wrong.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)We are not subsidizing poverty today. How much money does a family get in food stamps?? They most likely go to bed hungry, since that is not nearly enough! And don't even get me started on healthcare and housing!!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm glad Sanders doesn't agree with that. He is a little ahead of the curve on that one and wants to eliminate poverty, not subsidize it.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)How the fuck is anyone going to get out of the hole without help first????
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Helping people out of poverty is, by no definition of the term "subsidizing poverty."
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the wealthy and eliminating poverty. Goldman-Sachs would be a good choice for your candidate.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Very strange. I guess we disagree. I think Sanders wants to eliminate poverty. You keep calling that a distraction. I think the poorly put together graphic showing Sanders in a dishonest light is the distraction.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Really good points there.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Not "subsidize poverty". Holy cow!
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)do you have pom poms to wave, too?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)Grownups acting like 12 year old girls at a Justin Bieber concert?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)eliminate poverty, and you are critical of the OP, do you believe in supply side economics?
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)See my post above if you want to see my point.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)is more than 2 words.
But it sounds adorable.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Which side are you on?
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)FSogol
(45,355 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)How will he do it?
FSogol
(45,355 posts)the poster might have missed its true meaning.
It would be better to delete it than to argue that subsidizing poverty is something Sanders talks about.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Wow!!
Good luck to your candor in the debate, she's gonna need it!
FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I'm trying to understand your repetitive attacks. I have already explained you that they are not RW meme. So are you called us RW?? Why are you repeating the same thing over and over again????
Beaverhausen
(24,466 posts)WTF?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)No one can do that. Right back at you re "WTF"!
Beaverhausen
(24,466 posts)What was posted is a RW meme meant to criticize Sanders. Why can't you figure that out?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Those who are seeing /imagining that first, before understanding that is WHAT WE NEED IN THIS COUNTRY, fail miserably!
Sorry I'm not worshipping Hillary.
Beaverhausen
(24,466 posts)I'm guessing they won't like it.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)No kidding.
Response to darkangel218 (Original post)
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darkangel218
(13,985 posts)So people can get a chance to get off the ground and shine again!! Go look at Bernie's agenda!!! You will find your answers.
And please refrain from unwarranted attacks. It's childish.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Keep your personal attacks to yourself, Ma'am.Sorry your candidate is losing.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Out of respect
Please post any other time I have addressed you as Ma"am.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I have not. You should delete your flamefest.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)female (once as ma'am and once as she). You said out of respect which also makes no sense.
As for the flamefest, you are the one posting RW anti-Bernie graphics, not me. Several people tried to explain your misunderstanding of the word subsidize, but you ignored them. You should delete the anti-Sanders crap.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)As far as the "subsidies", I do not care for Hillary propaganda. If she has the magical wand and make the poverty disappear without subsiding for it first, then so be it. Let's hear her magical plan tonite.
(Don't hold your breath, obviously).
FSogol
(45,355 posts)Good luck, I guess.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)And same to you.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)The reason you tax wealth is to distribute that wealth more fairly and compassionately. That goal is to reduce and finally eliminate poverty. You are championing a moronic wingnut attempt at lampooning Sanders' platform on wealth inequality. If you cannot see that, I'd advise you to look up the word "subsidize" in the dictionary and consider who would want to apply that verb to anything he or she desperately wants to eliminate.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)The welfare system is a joke, at this point and time. The federal minimum wage is a joke. Sanders is asking for major changes in the tax system and in minimum wage ( he proposes $15 minimum federally)
One cannot get out if the whole when one has no food to eat.
I know it, because I've been there. I dont need a book to teach me what it means.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Catch!
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)to lift them out of poverty?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Subsidize them first, and give them a chance. Not the joke that the welfare and minimum wage is today.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I am still waiting to see your response to the accusations that I "keep calling you Ma'am'. You must have me confused with another poster.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)it is in Denmark? Other places,can't remember right now.What do they call that?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)You don't subsidize poverty, you eliminate it.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)I'm flabbergasted you think this is a good graphic. Childish & silly.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Do you think we can use magical powers and eliminate poverty without HELPING the poor first???
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)That's the two words I use.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Truth, honesty, having a heart, wishing the best for the people, hating wars, loving peace, feeling compassion
This is why HE RULES!!!!!
beaglelover
(3,435 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Cheers!
beaglelover
(3,435 posts)Response to darkangel218 (Original post)
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darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)Not sure if this has to be reworded...I can see the wrong side taking on that and running with it...
Correct me if I am wrong, but you don't "subsidize poverty" you "eliminate", subsidizing sounds like perpetuating...
zappaman
(20,605 posts)FSogol
(45,355 posts)zappaman
(20,605 posts)who needs detractors?
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Yay, Bernie!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Sad..
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I wonder why do you find it hilarious...
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)But I'm going to wonder if it's OK to post such while presumably using extreme irony. Lines blur and the term "false flag" comes to mind. It's distracting, in other words.
That's my 2 cents, YMMV. As a graphic for deriding the Sanders campaign, it's OK of its sort and doesn't offend me. I suppose it's interesting to see what will be used against Senator Sanders as our nominee so I'm OK with seeing it at Democratic Underground.
But like I imply, the graphic is what it is and it's a bit disruptive to deny how it is used.
Cheers!
Edit: If that graphic was originally posted as being pro-Sanders, and not to mock his campaign, I was wrong in assuming otherwise, obviously. And following from that I would withdraw my issue with it here. Though even then it's controversial approach to sending its message should be recognized.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)The Wall Street lovers find it unsettling nevertheless.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Have a good night, I'm getting ready for the debate.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Cheers!!!!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Go Bernie!!!!!!!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)zappaman
(20,605 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I assume you won't have a problem with that.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Take your time...
Stop, please stop....
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)advocating for taxing the rich in order to subsidize poverty, that is just rightwing nonsense. What I believe in is everyone paying their fair share so that everyone advances equally in society and certainly not gaming the system so it only helps those who are very wealthy. If you give the poor a fair wage and a fair shot at a good job then that in itself would end poverty.
Kali
(54,990 posts)Why Bernie Sanders is going to be President, in two words
HE RULES!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(And there is nothing anyone can do to undermine how awesome he is!!!)
and in case your image or post dissapears, one can find it here on this nutty blog blog - http://christophercantwell.com/2015/06/07/bernie-sanders-is-the-most-dangerous-man-in-america/
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)If he is really running, he will learn to smile. If he does not start smiling, he is not really running. If he wants to win, he will hire a coach to teach him how to criticize while smiling. He can not win if he is channeling Mike Gravel.