Hillary is still the Democrat for war: Her bellicosity toward Iran sounded very dangerous

[portlander23]

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Hillary is still the Democrat for war: Her bellicosity toward Iran sounded very dangerous
Ben Norton
Slate

Hillary Clinton did not just support the Iraq War. She also previously defended torture; said she would consider dropping nuclear bombs on militants in South Asia; applauded the bombing of Libya, famously remarking “We came, we saw, he died” after Qadhafi was killed; and oversaw the U.S. drone war, in which targets are assassinated without charge or trial. Understandably then, she has quite a reputation for being a war hawk.

Like most Republicans, Clinton said she wants the U.S. to “take more of a leadership position” in the world militarily. Sanders, on the other hand, explicitly opposed unilateral U.S. military action and called for working with regional coalitions in conflict-ridden areas.

Clinton’s right-leaning tendencies were most evident in her discussion of Iran. She reserved particular ire for the country — which was mentioned 14 times in the debate.

In the most egregious moment, when she was asked “which enemy are you most proud of,” Clinton buoyantly replied “the Iranians.”

In short, the first presidential debate showed how Clinton represents the right wing of the Democratic Party, which tends to support U.S. military involvement in every conflict. Sanders, on the other hand — although a longtime independent — represents the left wing of the party, which opposes war in most, yet not all, cases.

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[uponit7771]

1. Hillary will also tie bunny rabbit toes together !!!!

cause people just need to make up more demonizing shit about her :rolleyes:

[TheKentuckian]

4. Telling the truth is not demonizing. She is an interventionist hawk not so far off from a Rumsfeld

in worldview and role of the United States.

People love touting Clinton's supposed experience and knowledge on foreign policy but is meaningless as her positions are foolish and often dangerous. Her "evolutions" coming after the genie has long exited the bottle.

[uponit7771]

9. most of this crap is wingerish hate

[Art_from_Ark]

14. "Wingerish hate"?

Who knew Mother Jones was a "wingerish hater"?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-world-order

[portlander23]

15. Critiquing Mrs. Clinton from the left

Critiquing Mrs. Clinton from the left is the most right wing thing you could possibly do.

[sabrina 1]

21. Ugh! You couldn't pay me to be in the same room with Kissinger, wanted to answer for his role

in war crimes. There are places he can't travel to without the risk of arrest.

[Art_from_Ark]

22. I actually had a high opinion of Henry Kissinger at one time

When he and Le Duc Tho negotiated an end to American involvement in the Vietnam War, I was greatly relieved, because that meant that no one in my family was going to be sent over there. But what I learned about him after that... especially from a professor who was in Chile in September 1973... just boggled my mind-- and not in a good way.

[TheKentuckian]

18. The wingers are the folks she sides with in these matters more often than not.

[Bread and Circus]

2. I am really tired of war... what good has the last 20 years of military adventurism got us?

[dsc]

3. I checked out one link of the salon piece

and it was a flat out, gold carat lie, plain and simple. It is the one about the nukes. She said nothing like what the author said she had. Not even close. Please don't bring liars to DU.

[TheKentuckian]

5. The Say Anything Gang is camped out on DU 24/7 carrying dirty water for the establishment

odd to get picky now especially since most of the charges can be supported with video.

[portlander23]

6. Clinton Demurs On Obama's Nuclear Stance

Clinton Demurs On Obama's Nuclear Stance
By Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 3, 2007

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton drew another distinction between herself and Sen. Barack Obama yesterday, refusing to rule out the use of nuclear weapons against Osama bin Laden or other terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Clinton's comments came in response to Obama's remarks earlier in the day that nuclear weapons are "not on the table" in dealing with ungoverned territories in the two countries, and they continued a steady tug of war among the Democratic presidential candidates over foreign policy.

"I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance" in Afghanistan or Pakistan, Obama said. He then added that he would not use such weapons in situations "involving civilians."

"Let me scratch that," he said. "There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table."

By the afternoon, Clinton (N.Y.) had responded with an implicit rebuke. "Presidents should be careful at all times in discussing the use and nonuse of nuclear weapons," she said, adding that she would not answer hypothetical questions about the use of nuclear force.

"Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrents to keep the peace, and I don't believe any president should make blanket statements with the regard to use or nonuse," Clinton said.

At a debate last week in South Carolina, Clinton directly criticized Obama for saying he would meet with leaders traditionally hostile to the United States. Obama responded, and the sniping went on most of the week.

[dsc]

7. that isn't considering nuking south east Asia

it is saying we shouldn't premptively say we won't ever, under any circumstances, nuke South East Asia. Those are radically different things. The author of the piece is a lying liar and not to be trusted.

[portlander23]

8. We're going to have to disagree on this one

You and I read the quotes and come to very different conclusions.

[stonecutter357]

10. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton....

[onehandle]

11. Iran was named to silence criticism from warhawk Republicans.

Bot you know that.

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[portlander23]

12. Mayhap

How many republican voters did she win over in a Democratic debate? Or is it just reflective of her long standing record?

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Funny cat meme.

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Cute cat meme.

Feel the bern hashtag.

[TheKentuckian]

20. For what and for why? Just another example of her supposed experience being fucking worthless

or worse nothing but more toxic nonsense.

[trumad]

13. Yawn

[TM99]

16. I had a membership but rarely posted

on DU during the Bush years.

How do I know that the neo-con neoliberal New Dems have taken over?

I see individuals who claim to be 'liberal', 'progressive' Democrats completely unconcerned by Hillary Clinton's hawkish votes, rhetoric, and actions.

If fact, now they hippie punch, call you 'right wingers', and dismiss with so much condescension I feel like I did around the Bushbots in my MBA program during the run up to the Iraq War.

[Nitram]

17. Considering the rhetoric coming from Iran's leaders...

...Iran definitely considers us an enemy. Can't blame Clinton for being realistic. Oh, I guess if you're a Bernista you can blame her for anything.

[sabrina 1]

19. This is the main reason WHY she lost this debate!