2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFirst Dem Debate: Time to Start Printing the Clinton/O'Malley '16 Bumper Stickers?
Did the first debate stick a fork in Joe Biden's dreams of running? Back up the Bernie bid? Lift O'Malley to the VP short list? What do you think? And have a read:
http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2015/10/the-first-democratic-debate-start.html
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)There's no good reason for him to get it other than he was good in the debates. The VP pick will be chosen based on voters he/she can bring on board and O'Malley doesn't have the coat tails needed.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)Who has coattails these days? The Dems have no bench. The Castro's are might young....
LonePirate
(13,407 posts)O'Malley is probably headed for a cabinet position like Attorney General.
monmouth4
(9,685 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Maybe we could wait until a vote or two is cast and at least pretend that we still have a Democracy.
brooklynite
(94,302 posts)This is a political blog; we're allowed to talk about what we think will happen in the future. If it makes you feel better, what gets discussed here has no impact on the real world...
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)tgards79
(1,415 posts)Since when do we have to pretend we live in a democracy?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)when the will of the American voters was thwarted by the Supreme Court, and the man who actually received the most votes from the People was not allowed to take his place in the White House.
brooklynite
(94,302 posts)tgards79
(1,415 posts)What other names?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)eom
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)a hindrance re: police vs. minorities.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)...he did a very effective job of defending his record in the debate....
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)tgards79
(1,415 posts)You've got a long slog ahead of you. Don't you know that the GOP will do anything to crush Hillary and most of the junk you think you know about her is simply over-hyped nonsense, from Whitewater to the emails? Why do Democrats fall victim to what the GOP wants us to believe about her?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)tgards79
(1,415 posts)If it is Hillary versus any GOP candidate in the general, who do you vote for?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)My ballot comes with candidates other than Republican and Democratic ones. And, it has a handy-dandy write in option.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)...WINNING. Too much is at stake for a vote on principle. Tea Party votes on principle. Democrats vote to WIN! If we don't elect a Democrat, a tremendous number of Americans, including the young, the old, the poor and minorities of all kinds, are going to be hurt. We can be smug and votes with our "hearts" for some candidate who will get less than 1% of the vote, but if we lose by 1%, it is on you.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)My single vote won't decide the outcome of the election.
I'm not longer willing to settle for the "Not as bad" candidates and perpetuate the corrupt system of two party politics.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)If your single vote doesn't matter, does anyone's vote matter? And while we are on the subject, ever hear about the 2000 presidential election? But if you want to vote for Ralph Nader -- who's votes prevented Al Gore from winning in 2000, thus leading us directly into Iraq under Bush -- or someone like him, so be it.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Bush's brother and campaign co-chair scrubbed tens of thousands of voters from voter registration rolls for no reason at all. And Bush's campaign co-chair, who also happened to be in charge of counting the votes in the state, set arbitrary deadlines for vote counting and never got a final tally, as she cut off the counting when her guy was ahead. The Florida State Supreme Court ordered a recount, but Dick Cheney's hunting buddy on the US Supreme Court, Antonin Scalia, who also happened to have been appointed to the Court when the George Bush's father was Vice President, was able to persuade 4 other "justices" that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment somehow pertained to the election and that the plaintiff should win, even though the defendent got no "equal protection".
And that's not counting all the other roadblocks that were thrown in Al Gore's way in Florida.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Gothmog
(144,890 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)The actions of DWS and the like are severely hurting the party.
jfern
(5,204 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)I don't think 'inevitability' means what you think it means.
Hillary is 44, Hillary is 45.