2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary. Stop. This (AS YOU WELL KNOW) is what happens to Whistleblowers:
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Adrian Schoolcraft (born 1976) is a former New York City Police Department (NYPD) officer who secretly recorded police conversations from 2008 to 2009. He brought these tapes to NYPD investigators in October 2009 as evidence of corruption and wrongdoing within the department. He used the tapes as evidence that arrest quotas were leading to police abuses such as wrongful arrests, while the emphasis on fighting crime sometimes resulted in underreporting of crimes to keep the numbers down.
After voicing his concerns, Schoolcraft was reportedly harassed and reassigned to a desk job. After he left work early one day, an ESU unit illegally entered his apartment, physically abducted him and forcibly admitted him to a psychiatric facility, where he was held against his will for six days.[1] In 2010, he released the audio recordings to The Village Voice, leading to the reporting of a multi-part series titled The NYPD Tapes. That same year he filed a lawsuit against the NYPD and Jamaica Hospital. In 2012 The Village Voice reported that a 2010 unpublished report of an internal NYPD investigation found the 81st precinct had evidence of quotas and underreporting.>>>>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft
So: Leave Snowden alone.
And, BTW: you represented NYS in the US Senate in the period 2001-2009 in which the culture above was being established and became INGRAINED. No?
And you did WHAT about it, exactly? You said WHAT about it, exactly?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)So: Leave Snowden alone?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)weird subject change lol
shenmue
(38,506 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)TBF
(32,051 posts)I don't agree Snowden should face trial but at least Bernie has a little more respect for privacy than Clinton does.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that snowden's service (my word) in uncovering The abuses of the government needed to be taken into account when dealing with him.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)without going back to the video, but it suggested that since snowden had uncovered abuses of our government in terms of privacy and spying on its own citizens, and I don't know that he use the word spy, that that action needed to be considered in his adjudication, and again I don't know that he use the word adjudication. This is big-time paraphrasing but I'm trying to convey the gist of what he said.
I would be curious if he would consider Snowden a whistleblower and subject to whistleblower protection's, but I don't know if anyone's asking that question. Why do you ask?
kjones
(1,053 posts)also... "La La La La I Can't Hear You La La La La!"
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden should be spared a long prison sentence or "permanent exile" for leaking classified material, independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont said Monday.
"The information disclosed by Edward Snowden has been extremely important in allowing Congress and the American people to understand the degree to which the NSA has abused its authority and violated our constitutional rights," Sanders said in a statement. "On the other hand, there is no debate that Mr. Snowden violated an oath and committed a crime.
"In my view," Sanders continued, "the interests of justice would be best served if our government granted him some form of clemency or a plea agreement that would spare him a long prison sentence or permanent exile from the country whose freedoms he cared enough about to risk his own freedom."
Sanders' call for leniency for Snowden, who is in exile in Russia, follows editorials in the New York Times and elsewhere saying Snowden deserves clemency for breaking the law by disclosing the scope and extent of government snooping. On Sunday, Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, a possible 2016 presidential contender, said Snowden doesn't deserve the death penalty or life in prison.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Hillary's impassioned rant about imaginary whistleblower laws, and her supporters come back with: Bernie said Snowden should face the music, too.
Hillary supporters can't figure this one out. It's a character flaw people, and it's why people don't like her.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)A US Senator can just bypass the governor, city council, mayor and the police chief to take direct action.
Hillary is to blame for everything wrong in New York from 2000-2009 because she didn't forcefully use the dictatorial powers empowered to her as a US Senator.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts). . . The point was to illustrate how meaningless the so-called "whistleblower protections" to which Hillary referred really are.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)One case incontrovertibly proves that all whistleblowers are treated exactly like that. Why didn't I draw the same conclusion?
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts). . . to rehash the cases of:
Leibowitz, a former-FBI Hebrew translator, pleaded guilty to leaking classified information to Richard Silverstein who blogs at Tikun Olam, reported AlterNet. The translator passed 200 pages of transcribed conversations recorded by FBI wiretaps of the Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C. Leibowitz was sentenced to up to 20 months in prison, according to The Washington Post.
2. Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, 2010
Kim was a nuclear proliferation expert working on a contract basis for the U.S. State Department when he was accused of leaking information about North Korea to Fox News.
The Justice Department claimed that Kim was the source behind Fox News journalist James Rosens 2009 report suggesting that the North would likely test another nuclear bomb in reaction to a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning its tests, reported AlterNet.
Kim pleaded not guilty to the charges. A Federal Grand Jury indicted him but the case has not gone to trial, according to The New York Times.
3. Thomas Drake, 2010
Drake worked as a senior executive at the National Security Agency when he was charged with willful retention of classified documents under the Espionage Act. He leaked information about government waste on digital data gathering technology to The Baltimore Sun, according to AlterNet.
At one point Drake faced up to 35 years in prison for several charges. Eventually, most of the charges were dropped and he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for exceeding authorized use of a computer. He was sentenced to one-year probation and community service.
4. Pfc. Bradley Manning, 2010
Probably the best known of the six under indictment, Manning was the source behind the WikiLeaks and CableGate information dumps. Critics accuse the government of dragging its feet and aggressively redacting requests for public information about the trial. One journalist opined that the Guantanamo military tribunals were more transparent.
Manning faces a court martial and a harsher sentence that could include life in prison without parole, reported The New York Times. AlterNet pointed out, however, that prosecutors would have to prove Manning released the documents with the intention of harming the U.S. to win those harsher charges, something Manning denies. His trial is set for next month, June 3.
5. Jeffery Sterling, 2010
Sterling, a former-CIA official, pleaded not guilty to leaking information to New York Times journalist James Risen regarding a failed U.S. attempt to sabotage Irans nuclear program. The information in question was published in Risens book State of War.
Risen successfully fought several subpoenas from the federal government to reveal his sources during Sterlings trial, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. The Justice Department announced in the summer of 2012 that it has effectively terminated the case, according to the Times.
6. John C. Kiriakou, 2012
One of the few prosecuted under the Espionage act to serve jail time, Kiriakou was sentenced to 30 months in prison on Jan. 25, 2013, for leaking classified information to the media. Kiriakou pleaded not guilty to releasing the name of an undercover CIA agent to a reporter and information about the intelligence agencys use of waterboarding, a controversial interrogation technique.
Kiriakou is the first person successfully prosecuted under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act in 27 years, according to the Times. The reporter the ex-CIA official spoke to did not publish the undercover agents name, although the Times pointed out that the agents identity appeared in a sealed legal filing and on an obscure website.
See https://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-13889-obama-administration-has-aggressively-prosecuted-leaks-and-whistleblowers-who-are-they
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)... Clinton KNOWS this --- even as her luv-struck admirers remain forever clueless .
It's a shame ( and a missed opportunity, imo) that Sanders ( or someone else) doesn't pick up on this as an issue: strengthening Whistleblower protections at the federal level immediately.... and bully-pulpiting it at the local and state levels.
What we have now is an incoherent patchwork of pseudo-protections ( you're protected if you tell THIS official but not THAT official) that effectively renders actual whistleblowing a fool's errand.
And.... needless to say... that's the way our masters want it.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)gotten a job with the CIA so he could steal classified information from the NSA and run off to the USA's biggest adversary and give those stolen secrets to our enemies?