Sander's supporters: What would you do if Bernie ultimately asks you to vote for Hillary?

[CajunBlazer]

If Bernie ultimately drops out of the race and/or loses the nomination (and I am not predicting he will), what will you do if he asks you support and vote for Hillary? I ask because if Bernie doesn't win there is every reason to expect him to support Clinton.

[aidbo]

1. If he isn't the nominee, of course he would endorse her. I think most Sanders supporters know this.

And most Bernie supporters would vote for her, just like most Hillary supporters will vote for Bernie when he's the nominee.

[Autumn]

2. I will do what I have to do. What will you do if Hillary asks you to vote for Bernie or Webb

or Chaffee or O'Malley?

[CajunBlazer]

15. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee of course. (n/t)

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. I'm not giving up on O'Malley; but, ...

I will vote for Bernie ... Now Webb or Chaffee? That would be much tougher. If I voted for Chaffee, I think I could/would ride out the term; should I have to vote for Webb, I'd do so and move to somewhere outside of the U.S.

[Autumn]

47. I wanted to ask if you had seen this. 5 days before he said her name at the debate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251684857

[1StrongBlackMan]

48. Yes I did ...

5 days before the debate Bernie and Sandra Bland's mother (neither knowing the other) were in the same restaurant and the two talked ... and Bernie did what anyone (especially a politician) would do ... express his condolences ... and told her that he would continue saying Sandra's name.

[Autumn]

50. Yeah and you notice that he didn't politicize it? It was personal to him. Just wanted to ask if you

had seen it. Have a nice day.

[1StrongBlackMan]

57. Why would he politicize the meeting? I'm missing something here. n/t

[Chitown Kev]

170. Pointing it out is fine

Then you have to throw it in his face...not cool at all.

[sabrina 1]

150. Yes, and we would never have known from Bernie that when he did mention her name, he was keeping

a promise he made privately to her family. I am sure a lot of people thought it was a political move.

Unlike Politicians, he didn't really care what people thought.

He made a promise privately and he kept it

This is a rare human being. Any other politician would have made sure that that photo was all over the internet before the debates.

Had it not been for her family, who understood as most people who have ever known him have, what a truly unique person he is, no one would ever have known why he mentioned her name.

[artislife]

171. Let it go, Sabrina

Too much has happened on this board for 1Strong to concede a point in regards to Bernie.

And we should respect it.

I think I joined this board long after it started and then it got pretty vile after Net Roots. There just seemed to be a lot of history that kept being implied. There have been a lot of bannishings and I actually saw a list that was posted with names of the outed. I checked out a lot of the posters transperency pages. Some people needed the hides, but I have to admit, 1Strong was not one of them. He got a few hides that were unbelievable and absolutely devoid of anything that could be alert worthy at all.


My feeling is, don't ask anyone to shake off that kind of experience.

I cannot forget the dog whistles of 2008 and H and when someone tries to down play it, or convince me otherwise, I can't. Why? Because it was an experience. I felt a pang go through my heart, especially with Bill. Because I really liked him, and I voted for him twice.

Bernie is a good man. Hopefully, for us, enough people will see it and vote for him in the primaries. We got momentum!

[malokvale77]

68. Best answer...

to another "swear an oath" thread.

[CajunBlazer]

92. BS! That's a cope out answer! No one is asking anyone to swear a loyalty oath.

It is a simple, legitimate question, the answer of which may be important in the general election. If you don't want to reply, don't - pass it by - no one is trying to force anyone to supply an answer. But don't try to weasel out of it by implying that it is a question that is at fault. If you don't want to answer the question, opt out instead of trying to place the blame on the person who asked it. Don't be a whiner.

[malokvale77]

99. Well OK!

CajunBlazer has spoken.

I will answer your Democratic Party loyalty oath request. In the word of Hillary Clinton, no.

[CajunBlazer]

101. It is again not a loyalty oath question - but see, that didn't hurt, did it?

[malokvale77]

104. Not a bit. nt

[djean111]

3. This really is not the time for the Pledge-y Thing. Again.

I dislike so many of Hillary's stances on issues - Wall Street, war, H-1B visas, fracking, TPP (she has zippo believe-ability on that and any other "evolving&quot that I find her candidacy unacceptable to me.

Asking this question now is like saying that the issues do not mean squat. They do mean everything.
I don't think I can vote for another DINO.

[cascadiance]

14. Yep, endorsing her now is saying that we will excuse her not changing on those issues...

... and that we would vote for her anyway, without her changing them or being more definitive in her policies to clarify where we might be able to support her on her less defined viewpoints on issues like this over the course of the primary season.

It's way too early to say she's "ok" for us. We need to be demanding of change in the areas that need change before the primary season is upon us.

[randys1]

54. Pledge-y? You need to stop saying that, all of you do, this has NOTHING to do with

pledging loyalty of a vote to a Democrat

it is pledging a vote to prevent rightwing terrorists from destroying human life

It is called the big picture...

[djean111]

64. No, what needs to stop - is asking this question, time and time again.

There is absolutely no reason to keep asking. None.

And you can keep the blackmail, it does not work. Especially since Hillary is so polarizing that I do not think she can win the GE. Which - would be handing the country to those rightwing terrorists.

[randys1]

67. She really cant win if Bernie supporters stay home

[malokvale77]

71. Well duh.

Maybe, just maybe, she is not the candidate we need at this point in time.

[djean111]

74. Oh, I thought we were just an insignificant little bunch of "Hillary-haters".

She cannot win with her stances on the issues, and her lack of believe-ability. She has the same problems she had last time she ran.

Looks to me like someone is trying to set up a scapegoat - Bernie's supporters - for a loss.

I am a committed Sanders supporter. BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES. Voting for someone with whom I disagree on so many issues is not something I am contemplating. And the constant whine about voting for Hillary is getting ridiculous.

[peacebird]

78. Exactly. We don't matter, she'll win without us. That's what has been said all along. What changed?

Oooh, maybe Bernie getting over $3mil since the debate? Bernie winning the social media battle?
Or just the fear that Bernie will Obama her?

[Capt. Obvious]

85. Oh bullshit

The loyalty oath hasn't been posted for days.

[artislife]

172. 2 OPs from the same poster...shrug

[CajunBlazer]

98. No one is asking you to pledge a thing. It is a simple legitimate question....

which can be answered with a simple "yes" or "no". If you don't want to answer the question - opt out - pass it by. But don't blame the question if you don't want to answer it.

[reddread]

114. makin a list and checking it twice

[azurnoir]

173. ^^^^^Thread winner^^^^^

[brewens]

4. I figured I'd do that all along. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. I'd thank him for his opinion and say "no".

[MissDeeds]

32. +1

I will be voting for Bernie in the primary and the general election, even if it means I have to write in his name.

[peacebird]

76. Me too

[redstateblues]

127. Maybe Nader will get in the race

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

163. EEEEK!! NADER!!!

[Lizzie Poppet]

6. Express my disappointment, of course.

Obviously, I'd rather have Hillary than whoever ends up at the wheel of the Republican clown car...but I don't have to vote for her: my state's electoral votes aren't remotely in play. I can follow my conscience and simply skip that part of the ballot.

Or between now and next November, she could change my mind about what kind of president I think she'd make. As it stands, I'm seeing a business-as-usual corporatist. If I start seeing a progressive, that'd call for a reassessment.

[Kelvin Mace]

7. Respectfully decline

Some lines cannot be crossed.

[jeff47]

8. If Clinton is the nominee, my state will go to the Republican.

So if Clinton's the nominee, I will have the "luxury" of a meaningless vote at the top of the ticket.

[Bernblu]

9. What will Hillary supporter's do when Hillary endorses Bernie?

Answer that one and I'll answer yours.

[CajunBlazer]

18. I would vote for Bernie.

I am in Alabama and since the state will go Republican regardless of how I vote, like others, I have some latitude. However, I always vote and it dang sure won't be for one of the Republicans or some totally meaningless third party candidate who will get less votes than Mickey Mouse.

[Bernblu]

25. I will probably vote for Hillary

but knowing that she will do a 180 and many of her progressive positions once she gets in office. But like in your case my vote will not matter because I live in a state that she will win.

[enid602]

28. Bernie

I would definitely vote for Bernie, confident that his 'revolution' is hopefully better than the one the other folks have in store for us. If you know what I mean.

[musicblind]

166. I would absolutely vote for Bernie if he got the nomination.

Even if Hillary DIDN'T endorse Bernie I would vote for him if he got the nomination.

I prefer Hillary because I think she has a better chance of winning the general election. I've seen what happens when we try and elect too far to one side before. I don't want to see that happen again.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't love a Bernie presidency.

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. I'm voting for the nominee. It should be Sanders. n/t

[Fearless]

11. I think disenchanted voters would likely stay home

Or rather... those that don't vote... Some 35% of this country!... They won't be inspired to turn out.

That's what will happen.

[artislife]

30. We have absentee ballots here

So I will get to sit with my vote for a while and really think about every single name and ballot measure.

[ibegurpard]

12. I will choose to vote for someone on my own

Thank you very much!
This idea that support is automatically transferable is more than a little insulting.

[malokvale77]

77. ^^^ this ^^^

No way my support for Bernie could be transferred to Hillary. They are worlds apart.

[840high]

97. ....x10+

[CajunBlazer]

103. To ask if people will vote in their self interest is not insulting....

...however to hear them answer that they will not is somewhat odd.

[ibegurpard]

139. Who said I wouldn't?

But I'm not going to do it because Bernie asks me to. I'm more than capable of making my own decisions and your premise IS insulting.

[CajunBlazer]

143. Sorry you are so easily insulted.

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I meant no offense, but I can't control your reactions. Generally people are not insulted if the candidate they have been supporting loses or drops out and asks his/her supporters to vote for one of the remaining candidates.

[ibegurpard]

146. I wouldn't be insulted if he did that

I'm insulted that you would think I'd follow him like a fucking sheep.

[CajunBlazer]

155. I think you need to read my original post again.....

I asked a simple question. I made no presumptions about how you would react. If you decide to be insulted, that is definitely on you, not me.

[Dem2]

13. Of course I'd vote for Hillary

And if Hillary drops out and asks me to vote for Bernie, I'd be more than happy to do that as well.

They're both good candidates.

[demwing]

27. Then don't wait

Hillary is inevitable, and doesn't need your primary support. Give it to Bernie.

[Dem2]

31. I may indeed to that

I haven't yet decided who to vote for in the primary.

[JRLeft]

16. She's horrible but I would vote for her.

[TheKentuckian]

17. My support isn't tranferrable. Any other candidates will be evaluated individually.

[mike_c]

19. Senator Clinton is not fit for office, IMO....

Would we vote for Donald Trump if Senator Sanders requested it? Of course not. He isn't fit for high public office. Neither is Senator Clinton, IMO. Senator Sander's recommendation would have to first convince me that she is not the same person who supported so many of the worst decisions American politicians made during the last 25 years. But mainly he'd have to convince me that the war of aggression against Iraq was not a crime against humanity.

I think this is just one more version of the straw man that I call the "nazis at the door" argument directed against pacifists. Would you take up arms and fight if there were nazis at your door? No? How about if they were raping your daughters? No? How about if they were torturing your grandmother? And so on, to further absurdity. First, let's wait until there are nazis at the door.

[floriduck]

20. I'll write-in

Bernie Sanders. He is the only one I will support because I don't trust anyone else.

[AgingAmerican]

21. If there is no cheating by her campaign, or on her behalf then yes

Otherwise no.

[Gregorian]

22. I'll write-in Sanders.

[Howler]

23. No.

I wil not vote 3rd way ever again.

[bowens43]

24. Same thing I would do if he asked me to vote for trump......

I won't cast a vote for president.

[cantbeserious]

26. Not Vote - That Is An Option For All Citizens

eom

[BillZBubb]

29. I'll vote for the party's nominee no matter who it is.

I much prefer Bernie's position on a majority of issues, but I still believe Hillary is the more "electable". Either is infinitely better than any republican.

[winter is coming]

34. Bernie is not the keeper of my conscience.

Kinda odd that you think I'd blindly follow anything he suggested.

[OilemFirchen]

35. I'd vote for Clinton, then start a petition to have her impeached.

I kid, of course, but thought I'd throw that out for the Puritopians.

[restorefreedom]

36. bernie respects people's freedom too much to ever tell us who to vote for

thats what makes him different than the status quo

my guess would be that he loathes loyalty oaths

[Cali_Democrat]

37. The people saying they won't vote for Hillary even if Bernie endorses her...

....are obviously not Bernie supporters.

[winter is coming]

45. Consider the possibility that it's possible to support a candidate

without letting them micromanage your life. Voting and campaigning for someone is not the same thing as swearing an oath of fealty.

[malokvale77]

79. Bit of a stretch.

Hope you didn't hurt yourself with that one.

[senz]

88. Or it could be just a blatant attempt

at emotional manipulation.

[malokvale77]

94. I know, right?

Although, I did get a little emotional when I read the thread about Bernie and Sandra Bland's mother chance encounter.

Otherwise my emotions aren't that easily manipulated.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

113. So...you're not trained in logic?

[winter is coming]

177. You owe me a new keyboard! n/t

[Doctor_J]

123. Well, since am a Sanders supporter, and won't be voting for Hillary,

you're wrong.

[Cali_Democrat]

124. You claim to be a Bernie supporter. That's about it. nt

[JoePhilly]

128. For that particular subgroup ...

... their support for Sanders is more convenient then real.

[ibegurpard]

140. Back the fuck up!

My decision to vote for Hillary has nothing to do with anyone else's endorsement. The only people whose endorsement carries any weight with me are people that I know and respect personally. I am happily supporting Bernie because he is highlighting the issues I think are critical at this point in time. I don't believe Hillary will act on them and if she's the nominee she will have my unenthusiastic vote because she's not an insane teabagger.

[LondonReign2]

181. .

[Android3.14]

38. Just like I do every election

I'll vote for the person who best represents my positive vision for the future of this country.

[retrowire]

39. I'm in the middle of reading his autobiography "Outsider in the White House"

And the most important thing to him is that people VOTE.

Even he himself said that he really DID NOT AGREE with Bill Clinton, and DID NOT WANT TO VOTE for him, but he did it because it was the lesser of two evils to him.

So, applying that knowledge to today, I'd agree, we'll have to vote for whomever the democratic nominee is. If it's Hillary though, I won't be very happy about it... More of the same shit to look forward to. Slow progress, same old same old...

[NCTraveler]

86. How is the book so far?

I imagine he would have an amazing autobiography. Really interesting life.

[retrowire]

93. It's great!!!

Very well written. It's written with his emotion, and you can hear his voice as you read it. So far, it's a bit more political than personal. It's more about his years in the political spectrum than it is about his personal life.

There are still sprinkles of personality and such throughout, so you stay glued to that, but you also get his opinions and ALL the details about everything else political throughout his career.

So far, I've only gotten to page 40 out of this 300-ish page book. So that's the best review I can give thus far!

[ram2008]

40. I'd vote for her

So long as the nomination process was fair and there were no underhanded tactics at work.

[BuelahWitch]

43. THAT is the elephant (or should I say donkey?) in the room!

I remember what happened to Dean in '04, and he didn't have DWS to contend with!

[BuelahWitch]

41. I will likely hold my nose and vote for her,

if I am well enough to get out to vote. Would more happily vote for O'Malley as a second choice, Chaffee third. Webb seemed very off and angry the other night, I hope he drops out early.

[Armstead]

42. A bullshit new version of the threat that's been dangled for 25 years

Answer. Yes hold nose and support Hillary, even if Bernie doesn't ask.

Awful is better than awfuler.

[Motown_Johnny]

44. I will vote for her if she is the nominee, he does not need to ask.

What will Clinton supporters do if Bernie wins?

PUMA it up again?

[Ino]

46. I'll let Hillary know if she can count on my vote...

after the election. Until then, she has to earn it.

[DinahMoeHum]

51. If she turns out to be the nominee, I WILL vote for her. . .

. . .with or without Bernie asking me to.

Either one would be a thousand times better than any GOoPer.

[hrmjustin]

52. Shame so many Sanders supporters in this thread are going to pull a puma.

[hrmjustin]

62. You have the right to your decision but i don't respect anyone not voting for the nominee on this

site.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

111. Party loyalty seems like a meaningless concept to me anymore.

And no, I don't care what anyone may think about that. I can't control what others think, and others can't control what I opt to do.

[hrmjustin]

116. Well that is your choice but if she is thr nominee I am glad we have rules about trashing the

nominee.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

119. Yes, yes, you want to see me banned. I knew that before I answered.

Still, it's hard for me to give a flying fuck what you think about me. You post at a hate site--I don't seek the approval of people who do things like that.

[hrmjustin]

120. Lol you never stop.

no i don't want you banned and I don't think bad of you, but i am getting sick of this hate site bullshit meme you push.

[malokvale77]

81. I don't think you understand.

PUMA = Hillary supporters

Has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders.

[hrmjustin]

84. That is bull. You could try to whitewash what they are doing but if you guys don't vote

for her if she is the nominee you guys are the new puma.

[malokvale77]

90. Bull you say.

You could try to whitewash what they are doing but if you guys don't vote for her if she is the nominee you guys are the new puma."

Who is "they"? Who is "you guys"?

Don't ever put the shame of Hillary pumas on Bernie Sanders supporters.

Pumas only cared about electing a woman. Bernie Sanders supporters care about the future of this nation.

[hrmjustin]

91. Oh yes you are all ice cream and pure thoughts.

Try convincing someone else because i don't buy it.

[malokvale77]

95. You sound a little bitter.

I hope that is not the case. Bitterness eats at the soul.

[hrmjustin]

96. I am sick of the double standards here.

[malokvale77]

100. "I am sick of the double standards here."

Then you should tell your fellow HRC supporters to stop.

[hrmjustin]

102. I am sick of people who excuse Sander supporters who will not vote for Hillary as the nominee

but complain about the pumas of 2008.

Hypocrisy at its highest.

[malokvale77]

105. Links please. nt

[hrmjustin]

110. Look for your own links. And look toward your own reaction.

[malokvale77]

126. Don't claim what you can't prove. nt

[hrmjustin]

129. Your own reaction is proof enough.

[malokvale77]

136. Go with that. Lame as it is. nt

[hrmjustin]

138. True it is.

[malokvale77]

141. LOL

As much fun (not) as it has been interacting with you, I'm bored and going to bed.

Goodnight.

[hrmjustin]

142. Did not ask you to but rest well.

[SwampG8r]

164. This must be that respect you were so proud of up thread on display here

[restorefreedom]

132. shame that the party elites

want to rig the nom process to shove a prowar corporatist down our throats and then complain when people don't want to vote for a rigged candidate that does not represent progressive views.

[hrmjustin]

133. Do you approve of pumas?

[restorefreedom]

134. i believe we should all vote

and vote our conscience

i also believe that a party is not entitled to expect or demand my vote, especially if they rig the process for one candidate over others.

if hillary gets the nom, she will have about three months to convince me that she represents me enough to cast a vote for her. if she fails, i will vote for someone else without hesitation. and since i don't vote for hawks, she has a very high bar, one that may be impossible to reach.

this is not about "party unity." identity politcs and party loyalty are over. this election is about sending a message to the oligarchy and changing the direction of our country and i take my responsibility seriously.

[hrmjustin]

137. Did you derided the pumas of 2008?

[restorefreedom]

144. i don't think i was around here at that time

i was hit or miss on du for years. but regarding the issue, if ideological differences caused them to vote for another candidate, then they should follow their conscience. voting for mccain just to screw obama out of the presidency was pretty crappy, but still their right.

[TheKentuckian]

165. The PUMAS had nary a policy, ideological, principle, value, or worldview

concern.

They were 110% personality cultists, many who flipped right the fuck to McShame especially when he picked up Phailin whole some others reluctantly came home upon command from the queen once she showed she wasn't just absolutely going through the motions.

There were also quite a few nasty racists.

[DianeK]

53. this is the primary process....

we are not even close to the general election process..i could turn that question around to you..what would YOU do if Hillary asked you to support Bernie?

I will support whomever becomes the Democratic nominee...for now..all of my support, all of the money I can spare goes to Bernie

by the way..those two little girls in my avatar? my granddaughters with Bernie on the Spirit of Ethan Allen for his birthday several years ago

[senz]

115. Those girls are cuties

and someday they'll be happy to have that photo of themselves with a great man.

And I'm with you on giving all I can to Bernie. If he loses the primary to you know who, I'll have shot my wad and start saving again.

[Binkie The Clown]

55. I will vote for whichever DEM is nominated.

If that means "holding my nose®" and voting for Hillary, then so be it. I'll do my duty.

[daleanime]

56. What would you do if Hillary ultimately asks to to vote for Bernie?

[CajunBlazer]

109. I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee without hesitation

That's an easy question, ask me something hard.

I will not give the Republican nominee the advantage of not voting, or voting for a meaningless third party candidate, or playing Mr. "I Have a Conscious" and writing Hillary's name in. I don't vote against my selfish self interests - that would be extremely dumb!

[daleanime]

147. Kind of doesn't need to be asked....

right?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

162. Mr. "I Have a Conscious"?

Seriously, if you're going to taunt, get it right.

[tularetom]

59. With all respect to Bernie Sanders, and I have a lot of it

Nobody can tell me who to vote for.

Well, that really isn't true. He can tell me, but who I actually vote for is my business alone.

Even my wife doesn't know who I vote for, despite what she might think.

[Cal33]

60. If Hillary should win the primaries, I would automatically support her even without Bernie's

asking. She is better than any Republican. That's for sure.

[Blue_In_AK]

61. If Hillary is the nominee,

of course I'll vote for her, but she's not my first choice. Have you asked the same of Hillary's supporters?

[hrmjustin]

63. It is asked of HRC supporters every week.

It is about time it is asked of Snders supporters.

[Blue_In_AK]

66. I assume you mean "time"?

It's asked of Bernie's supporters continually. You know that.

[hrmjustin]

69. Not as often as we are asked.

[malokvale77]

87. Hah. nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

70. ...

[peacebird]

72. I will vote, but not for Hillary.

[frylock]

73. I like turtles.

[WillyT]

75. Throw Up...

[elehhhhna]

80. The only living politician I would listen to AT ALL on that topic is Jimmy Carter.

Ill vote for hil if JC says. But not in the primary.

[NCTraveler]

82. No one would have to ask me to vote Sanders in the general.

Anyone not voting for the dem in the general will be standing in direct opposition to the betterment of every single person in this country.

[TDale313]

83. I'm sure he'd endorse her if he drops out.

I genuinely don't know what I'll do if she's the nominee, but honestly, I'm in California. If my vote for President actually matters in the general, we've already lost. So a protest vote wouldn't hurt.

[senz]

89. Has it occurred to you that Sanders supporters might be getting just a little

sick and tired of this oft-repeated, manipulative question?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

107. + One googool!

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

106. Good grief, this whiny boo hoo bullshit again?

[Yupy]

108. No, why? Is ideas and the character of the candidate who I am voting for, sorry.

Is not the party but the ideas and the character of the candidate, sorry.

[Kalidurga]

112. I will do what I have always done...

make up my own mind who to vote for.

[quickesst]

117. Here is what will happen...

Most will respect Bernie's opinion, and take it to heart. Those who do not will prove one thing. Their (cough cough) disapproval of Hillary outweighs any support or loyalty to Senator Sanders. Undeniable.

[Yupy]

121. Is dissapproval for Wallstreet, war etc.

[quickesst]

151. Your post...

...is not even a coherent rebuttal of my statement. In fact, it only reinforces my opinion that there are those who value Senator Sanders for what he can contribute to the cause in bringing about the downfall of Hillary Clinton, and not as a valuable asset in the quest for a better life for all.

[Yupy]

174. Likewise ..is not even a coherent rebuttal of my statement.

[quickesst]

176. Ok....

....nice talk.

[Live and Learn]

149. Yep, our disapproval of Clinton's vote for the Iraq War and her pro-banking policies.

You got that right!

[quickesst]

152. So, one can only assume....

...that if Hillary is the nominee, and Bernie supports her, there will be a place for him under the already crowded bus. Hillary's supporters will of course welcome him with open hearts, and arms.

[Live and Learn]

154. You know what happens when one assumes? nt

[quickesst]

175. Yeah I know...

... but I thought this one might be a pretty easy slam dunk. I base that on past, and current consistency. I always go with the odds

[DirtyHippyBastard]

118. Loyalty oaths have no fucking business on a Democratic forum

Are you a republican? Anyone who asks for a loyalty oath must be a conservative wannabe or a plant. Kiss my hippy ass and see what kind of party before policy answer that gives you.

[CajunBlazer]

158. Anyone who carefully reads my original post and interperates it as a request.....

... for a loyalty oath has serious reading comprehension problems.

It was a simple question, but how the majority of people answer it could have an important impact in the general election. If you don't like the question you could have easily ignored it, but to complain that it should not have been asked is a cop out.

[DirtyHippyBastard]

161. I comprehend just fine, thanks

If your hypothetical "if Bernie asks" should not be interpreted as asking for a pledge of loyalty at this stage in the game, I would apologize, but I don't understand how it is not.
This same question has been asked many times in the past few months in many cleverly worded ways on these forums, from both directions.
You are asking if I will vote for the other candidate if my guy/gal loses the primary, but it's not asking about my loyalty to the party? hmmm...
sorry, I guess.

[Chan790]

122. He can ask...but I won't do it. n/t

[Doctor_J]

125. Why worry? According to the new hate site, and its members who are also DUers,

Bernie's entire support consists of about 100 people (all at DU). So what can it matter?

[Eric J in MN]

130. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee.

If the nominee is Sanders, I'll be voting FOR him.

If the nominee is Clinton, then I'll be voting AGAINST the Republican nominee (by voting for Clinton.)

[in_cog_ni_to]

131. Bernie's free to vote for whomever he chooses. So am I and it won't be The Hillary

if the election is stolen for her. And that's exactly what they're setting up. We aren't as stupid as DWS likes to think we are.

I'm writing in Bernie.

[wundermaus]

135. Listen to the chorus....

[CajunBlazer]

145. I guess I can't hear the crickets ....

for all of the noise made by the other 134 replies on this thread.

[wundermaus]

153. When I first read your response...

I thought i read "Reptiles", not replies!
My retort was going to be "They aren't reptiles, they are only DINOs".

And that my friend is why we are doomed to swirl down the drain of history.
We continue to elect the best marketed candidate money can buy instead of who represents our best interests.

The game is rigged. The game is corrupt. The stage was a place for actors. Bernie was not playing along.

So appropriate the show (debate) was in Las Vegas; where the gamblers play and the house (corporations) always, ultimately wins. Even the commercial breaks gave it away: We were watching entertainment, not democracy. Only Bernie was live, everything else was canned.

Hilary instead of Bernie? Who turned this into a sitcom? I'm not laughing.

[CajunBlazer]

156. I am not surprised that you originally misread my response.....

there are a lot of people on this thread who apparently see the world distorted through the prisms of their biases. I suspect that they are folks who are reacting to events with emotion rather than logic. It is a natural thing to do when someone disagrees with our deeply held opinions, but we have to be smart enough and self aware enough to know how to not fall into that trap.

Have a good night.

[wundermaus]

160. You have a good night as well.

Been politically engaged since 1968 so my bias runs deep.
I try to see both side of an issue but must admit, over the years my patience has run out.
The clincher for me last night was was the question ..."the most pressing issues facing our country right now, some of the biggest issues right now"...

Bernie Sanders - "The scientific community is telling us if we do not address the global crisis of climate change, transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to sustainable energy, the planet that we're going to be leaving our kids and our grandchildren may well not be habitable," Sanders said. "That is a major crisis."

His answer nailed it for me. Everything else vanishes by comparison. Our generation will die off naturally as they should. However... Future generations will be extinct by what we fail to do now.

[CajunBlazer]

179. I too have a huge concern about global warming.....

which is why I don't want to see a Republican in the White House for the next 4 to 8 years, especially if they control both the Senate and the House, which I believe is quite possible if a Republican wins the Presidency.

I think that you might enjoy a article I wrote for my blog entitled "Global Warming Deniers" at http://www.cajunscomments.com/global-warming-deniers/ In it I try to illustrate how down through history conservatives have fought new scientific discoveries which conflicted with their beliefs and threatened their power structure.

If you check out that article on my blog, you might also want to search the phase "global warming" and you will see the other articles I have written on the subject over time.

If read the article, please send me a DU email and tell me what you think - I could use some constructive criticism.

I have enjoyed chatting with you. It proves that though we may disagree on some subjects, we can still have a meaningful discussion.

[Live and Learn]

148. In that horrible and unlikely scenario, I'd probably vote for her BUT

I can assure you that I will hold her feet to the fire by protesting every wrong move she makes with a vengeance and an 'I told you so' to those that supporter her nomination.

[bkkyosemite]

157. Question is apples and oranges

Bernie Sanders is the opposite of Hillary Clinton in the issues that mean most to those who support Bernie. He is not in bed with Super Pacs, Wall Street, Monsanto, and other elite-ness. I will be voting for Senator Sanders because of what he stands for (Hillary does not) and what he displays in his morals, values and the amount of caring for those poor and the lowering middle class. Hillary is all about winning all about pleasing her donators. She was so rooster like on that stage knowing the fix was in. Hillary supporters I feel you really can't see the truth (the forest for the trees) about the Oligarchy running for President.

[F4lconF16]

159. Shake my head in sad recognition that we are fucked

And that most of my friends on the radical left were right about the whole thing.

Then I'd vote for whoever the heck I wanted to.

And then I'd get back to movement building, this time remembering to stay far, far away from the Democratic Party.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

[PowerToThePeople]

167. I'll join you

That is, if I even stay in the states. Already beginning to prep for leaving the country quickly. Get out, turn in my passport, and be done with third way fascist hell.

I do not want it to come to that.

[artislife]

168. How many times are you going to ask the same question?

What ---is there nothing else about this election or perhaps the state of the nation or the fragility of the planet that interests you?

[Warren DeMontague]

169. It depends on whether Hillary plans to use her executive power to treat apostrophe abuse like the

Serious societal scourge that it is.

[MADem]

178. If Sanders pushes forward an active, campaigning endorsement of Clinton, his supporters would be

cutting off their noses to spite their faces if they didn't vote for her--because a vote for her would be a vote for him.

I could see him in the Secretary of Labor slot. It's definitely his wheelhouse.

Of course, Jeb! ain't gonna put him there.

[Romulox]

180. Clean the house that day. Oops! nt