Not so fast! Clinton Now Re-Opens Door to Supporting Obama Trade Deal

[ram2008]

Here she goes again! Squandering all that good will from the debates already...

"I'm against it now," Clinton said, reiterating her new position. "But we'll see whether there is any kind of significant changes."

Clinton continued, "I mean look, if the Congress adopted my entire work and wage agenda, I'd be pretty excited about that. But that'll have to wait until I'm actually there as president."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/clinton-now-re-opens-door-supporting-obama-trade-deal_1046015.html

It's been a great 48 hours, but now back to reality.

[Stallion]

1. That's Pretty much What She Said Last Week

she said there were parts of the Deal should could not support and wanted to see changes. Sounds like she positioning her self to push for specific changes. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing is black and white

[starroute]

35. But Fast Track means there can be no changes at this point

Up-or-down vote and all that.

So what kind of game is she playing?

[JaneyVee]

48. You know that there will be more future trade deals, right?

TPP is a renegotiation of NAFTA.

[elehhhhna]

63. No it isn't. Not at all.

[Fearless]

71. What are you talking about???

NAFTA is the NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT.

It has nothing to do with China. Nothing. It also has nothing to do with legislative sovereignty, net neutrality, copyright law, fair use, or any of the dozens of other TERRIBLE items in the TPP.

NAFTA was wrong. The only way it's similar is that it's WORSE.

You're not even close.

Mars is closer.

[Cosmic Kitten]

2. She ignores the ISDS and talks work and wage

Hillary is ignoring the most problematic
part of trade agreements, ISDS

She's all for corporate control of government

[Eric J in MN]

23. Exactly. Until Hillary Clinton says that ISDS needs to be dropped

...it's the same garbage we got from NAFTA.

Bernie Sanders has criticized ISDS (Investor State Dispute Settlement): arbitration panels available to corporations and not to the rest of us (individuals, unions, environmental groups.)

So has Elizabeth Warren (D-MA).

So have the co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Reps. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-AZ) and Keith Ellison (D-MN):
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/press-releases/progressive-caucus-cochairs-on-transpacific-partnership-agreement/

[cascadiance]

32. Like she worries about "work and wage" with her stances on H-1B?

If she were consistent in her stances against things that hurt Americans work availability and wages, then she should have long ago come strongly AGAINST the H-1B instead of just a STRONG supporting stance of it that we have to look back to the 2008 election to get.

Bottom line is she's playing us, and she isn't worried about such things in reality!

[Scuba]

80. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

[Armstead]

3. Waffler in Chief

[pinebox]

4. How can anybody support her?

Seriously? She rocks back and forth on issues more than Ron Jeremy in a movie.

[FlatBaroque]

9. she has girl parts nt

[winter is coming]

10. I like her hat with a flower on it. n/t

[Blus4u]

11. But she told the Wall Street guys to cut it out!

Peace

[FlatBaroque]

18. ...and surprisingly, they did not cut it out. nt

[Plucketeer]

46. Yeah........

don't they know who she is???

[hifiguy]

25. And they patted her on the head

and gave her more bags of money.

[elehhhhna]

64. They paid her 600k to talk and then didn't cut it out?

The nerve!

[JRLeft]

14. For some of her supporters it's about the glass ceiling; which I can understand, but she is

fucking reprehensible.

[antigop]

41. some people actually benefit from the status quo nt

[jfern]

90. They don't give a fuck about issues

[aquart]

102. Are you having a lot of success demonizing Democrats who disagree with you?

Hillary doesn't do that.
BERNIE doesn't do that.

Why are you doing that?

[Angry Dragon]

5. there can be no changes -- it is an up or down vote if I remember correctly

[WillyT]

6. K & R !!!

[jkbRN]

7. All bullshit before the debate,

probably b/c she didn't want to face the ppl with a failed answer

[jfern]

8. Of course she's not really against it

Such a dishonest panderer.

[artislife]

12. There she is. The woman we all know is there. nt

[Vinca]

13. Today she's against, tomorrow she's for, the next day she's against . . .

Did she get a new scriptwriter?

[Cassiopeia]

60. A bouquet of daisies maybe.

[Art_from_Ark]

92. LOL

"I'm for it, I'm for it not. I'm for it, I'm for it not. I'm for it..."

[azmom]

15. You can't trust anything she says. N/t

[askew]

16. She came out against it to help her win union endorsments in case Biden jumped in.

Now that Biden is likely not going to run, she can back it again and still get the union nods.

I can't even wrap my head around the idea of supporting someone who is basically a compulsive liar with no moral center who will say anything to get elected.

[hifiguy]

20. How goddam stupid is the leadership of the unions endorsing her?

Bubba and Obama both got union endorsements and as soon as the Oath of Office was over there went the unions, right under the train.

Damn idjits.

[stillwaiting]

29. I don't think they're stupid. They are corrupt. Bought off and eager to please the money makers. nt

[catnhatnh]

17. She achieved her goal...

...in the first debate no one learned she would support TPP...

[hifiguy]

19. The weathervane is spinning

faster and faster in the hurricane of bullshit.

Everyone who is surprised by this stand on your head.......

[Cheese Sandwich]

21. I'll tell you when I'm president ;)

[demwing]

22. Welcome Back, Clinton!

[Capt. Obvious]

24. Weekly Standard?

Really?

[starroute]

38. The video is ABC News

Does it matter that the OP uses a right-wing source for the transcript? Hillary said what she said.

[Capt. Obvious]

59. Of course it does

Last edited Thu Oct 15, 2015, 08:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Surely that's not the only source for a transcript

[starroute]

67. It looks like so far only right-wing sources have pounced on it

And I don't expect you'd be any happier with The Blaze or Twitchy.

But it only happened a few hours ago. Give it time.

[sabrina 1]

26. She's for it, she's against it, she's for it. This is why she is going to LOSE this election.

[NCjack]

27. On critical issues like TPP, I don't like surprise packages. /nt

[JaneyVee]

28. She never said she's against it. Only that it didn't meet her high bar.

[DirtyHippyBastard]

30. DERP

[JaneyVee]

31. And Bernie will create jobs by smashing Wall Street and opposing US trade.

Derp.

[JackInGreen]

42. No

Through rebuilding our infrastructure and creating green jobs through reworking the grid, but he said that, can't expect everyone to listen though.

[JaneyVee]

44. Temporary construction jobs are important, but...

Capital investment creates long term jobs, businesses, and start ups.

[JackInGreen]

47. Our infrastructure not being considered an investment

Is why it's in the state it's in, but I'm sure capital investment has the job well in hand.

Would you like to see this lovely bridge I have to sell you?

[JaneyVee]

50. What part didn't you understand?

I'm 110% for infrastructure upgrades.

[Aerows]

53. *I* have an even better bridge to sell you

than that guy! It's going cheap, real cheap! You could call it the JaneyVee for Hillary bridge.

If you act now, I'll include a free toll booth for your bridge, and a Haz Mat team to help you in the long term!

[Scuba]

81. Are you aware that the Golden Gate Bridge is constantly being repainted?

[sulphurdunn]

54. The last time financial speculation

accounted for so much of the GDP was 1929. I think the Sanders plan is more along the lines of leashing Wall Street rather than smashing it.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

95. Right Wing hyperbole.

Show me anywhere Bernie suggested "smashing" Wall Street. He is suggesting breaking up big banks so that they are not too big to fail in an emergency. That's traditional American capitalism, not the casino capitalism of this Age of Reagan. We cannot promote small business, engender real competition and address wealth inequality without rolling back the concentration of capital rampant for the last 34 years.

Bernie doesn't want to smash Wall Street, he wants it competitive and serving the interests of the people, neither of which is true now.

[Joe Turner]

103. Bernie will create jobs by regulating Wall Street

which any unbiased observer knows need regulating and reforming trade deals that result in massive job losses that any unbiased observer knows needs reforming. Crafting trade laws that works toward domestic job creation is something most countries do except the U.S. It's called good government.

[Android3.14]

34. Oct. 8 "As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it." - Hillary Flipflop

The saddest thing that our education system has spawned is people who are willfully ignorant.

[JaneyVee]

45. The fuck are you talking about?

Are you saying I'm ignorant and uneducated? I have 3 college degrees.

[JackInGreen]

49. And Ben Carson a surgeon

And you're both setting a stellar example of your educations (here and now...he's an asshole, you I don't know IRL).

[JaneyVee]

52. And your posts say a lot about who you are IRL.

[grahamhgreen]

69. Zingo

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Evolution doesn't have a direction. Up/down, Left/Right, Forward/Backward.

[merrily]

36. She never closed that door in the first place. Headlines were misleading because msm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128059879

[Thinkingabout]

37. Hum, so if minimum wages are increased and workers protections are put in place, guess some here are

Against these issues.

[grahamhgreen]

72. That's just the start of it. TPP will allow her contributors to overturn US law in corporate courts.

[Thinkingabout]

79. Got it, to hell with the American workers.

[Rilgin]

96. Nice deflection

I am going to give you a poison shot. But do not worry, I will use a clean needle and make sure your arm is sterile. Oh you object and think poison is bad.

"Got it, to hell with good medical procedures."

Now for a more true life example. Capital Punishment.

They give people medical care before they kill them. For some of us an argument for capital punishment is not based on the fact that before they kill them, they may take care of their medical issues. And particularly, your response to someone saying capital punishment is bad, sure looks like but first look they gave the prisoner medical care. I respond, but its capital punishment. Your response, "Got it, to hell with medical care for prisoners"

[Thinkingabout]

98. Speaking of deflection, not buying your deflection, try it on someone who buys your deflection.

[grahamhgreen]

97. That's right. The TPP will be Hell for American workers.

[Thinkingabout]

100. Are you saying not increasing the minimum wage is good for the American workers?

Sounds like this talking point is straight out of RW talking point. The TPP will provide a few jobs, increasing the minimum wage will help lots of Americans, yep, throw the low wage earners to the wolves, stay on TPP, as a low wage earner I dont appreciate your concern.

[grahamhgreen]

104. Minimum wage should be $22/hr. The TPP will do nothing to increase it, nor is it necessary in order

raise it.

We can increase the minimum wage with a one line bill.

[Old Crow]

39. High bar, high bar, high bar.

WTF is a "high bar"? Anyone? Those words sound nice on a casual listen, but they mean nothing and do little but project a self-serving image ("I'm so demanding! I have such high standards!&quot . Obfuscation, distraction, bob-and-weave.

Just plainly state exactly what you like and dislike about the TPP, Hillary. Since you helped craft it, you sure as heck ought to know. Communicate clearly and honestly. You know: Like Bernie Sanders does.

I won't be holding my breath.

[JackInGreen]

40. Was waiting for this

Am not disappoint.

[Geronimoe]

43. She was never against TTP

it was just campaign rhetoric. She has spent her entire life being a corporate tool.

[Plucketeer]

51. I need to send her a free pair of gloves

Gloves suited to holding a picket sign without getting slivers in her delicate hands. Gotta keep those hands in shape for processing corporate checks!

[tokenlib]

55. Hillary!! Be true to your Third Way self. You know you want to....

Let's make the contrast clear. Hillary is so full of shit on TPP...

[winter is coming]

56. What a weasel. n/t

[JDPriestly]

57. Corporate weasel.

About weasels:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/64193/7-fierce-facts-about-weasels

[Hell Hath No Fury]

58. Of couse she does! :D

From a thread talking about Hillary's original recent statement on the TPP:

Response to restorefreedom (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 03:44 PM
Hell Hath No Fury (15,549 posts)

63. LOTS of wiggle room in that statement.

On purpose.

What's the saying for Dem candidates, "tack left in the primary and tack right in the general"?

I suspect that as of ANOTHER day in the not-too-distant-future, she might be inclined to support it. Again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How well do I know Hillary Clinton? THAT well. I promise you hard money that she supports trade deals JUST like the TPP. She may quibble around the edges, but she believes in the kind of trade that does well for business but is bad for American workers.

[Sunlei]

61. She hasn't seen the finished work, only the leadership Admin. can read the finished treaty.

We "NON- Admin Leadership", including Mrs. Clinton get to see and read the entire thing for 30- days, after the leadership read it for 60 days. After ALL that, President Obama may sign it.

Mrs. Clinton said the same thing most of you say, "FROM WHAT I HAVE READ ABOUT IT, I'M AGAINST IT"

But then she probably thought about it more, thought about the billions in trade revenue our American economy will lose out on if we don't trade with 1/3 of the world. Just turn that USA trade business over to the other TPP countries.

China is not a TPP signer country but they would love to keep the screws on their tiny Asian-pacific neighbor countries for another thousand years.

[jeff47]

74. Problem with your story is she changed her mind without seeing it.

First, it was the gold standard. Months after the latest leak, it suddenly wasn't good enough because of currency manipulation. First, no leak for months mean there was no new information. Second, currency manipulation has never been part of the TPP.

Now she's saying it's mostly OK. Nothing about currency manipulation. And no new information to cause this change in position.

[840high]

83. So she lied again. Imagine that.

[arcane1]

62. I'm glad I was sitting down for this shockingly unexpected news n/t

[pnwmom]

65. Everybody hates that she's a prudent person who wants to see the final paper

before making a final decision.

Typical.

[Historic NY]

68. I know everyone else claims to knows whats in it....

they already firmly decided.

[jeff47]

75. Problem with that story is she claimed she didn't support it because of currency manipulation.

Currency manipulation has never been part of the TPP. Including back when she was Secretary of State. So it wasn't a change in the agreement, but she acted as if it was.

It kinda demonstrates she isn't just being prudent.

[Bernblu]

87. She didn't want to go into the debate supporting TPP

She knew she couldn't defend TPP. All other explanations are nonsense.

[Faux pas]

66. WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding, par for the course.

[Babel_17]

70. I wondered if she might have to work both ends

If Secretary Clinton were to try to match Senator Sanders efforts to defeat the TPP then some in the administration are likely to feel very aggrieved. By their lights, they've made it even more to the standards of Progressives since Secretary Clinton deemed the TPP representing a gold standard for trade deals.

Voting could be getting pushed back, but if Sanders makes inroads in the cause to defeat it, and the Clinton campaign acquiesces to pressure to match his rhetoric, those in the administration who see the TPP as their baby, their legacy, might start thinking dark thoughts.

[NYCButterfinger]

73. She is playing both ways

Decide damnit
Do you support TPP or not?

[mhatrw]

76. Left, Right, Left, Right nt

[Binkie The Clown]

77. Every once in a while, in a moment of clarity, I realize

that none of this matters because climate change will kill us all soon enough. Everything else is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[merrily]

101. Seth MacFarlane said that Sanders won the debate when he was the only one to answer

"climate change" to the question "What is the biggest national security challenge facing the US today?"

[restorefreedom]

78. well that did not take long

she wiggled out of her nondisapproval in record time

nice to see you again, madame secretary

[GoneFishin]

82. She just did not want to answer for her support of TPP during the debate. Exactly the weasel

tactics that make it impossible for me to vote for her.

[ucrdem]

84. She never closed it.

She's been pretty consistent all along if you get down what she's actually said, and not what people have heard her say. Don't forget that she's married to a master word chef and she's no slouch at communications cuisine herself.

[Bread and Circus]

85. oh good grief...

[Bernblu]

86. Is she going for the flip-flop record held by Mitt Romney???

I am frankly angry about this. She is insulting our intelligence as voters. I thought she would at least wait until at least she had the nomination in hand. I guess that now that the corporate media has declared her the "winner" she can go back to her true colors. Anyone who votes for Hillary seriously believing that she is going to be a progressive president is naive or ill informed.

[jfern]

89. Mitt Romney was a straight shooter compared to her

[Catherina]

88. Rec'd. "Will flip flop for votes" n/t

[CharlotteVale]

91. "Significant" = weasel word.

[Samantha]

93. I was for it before I was against it

Seems like I have heard this before....

Sam

[kath]

94. Flip. Flop. Flip.

It's what HRC is ALL about.

Disgusting.

[ancianita]

99. This is the vacillating, ambivalent lingo of a corporate sellout. Not cool. At all. nt