2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary pandering in spanish - big fail
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-makes-spanish-language-gaffe-history-presidential-candidates-embarrassing-2142880I was just making dinner with the TV on, when Hillary in San Antonio said to the audience. I'm not la Hillary, I'm tu, yo es toy on chito. WTF
and seeing that I posted: USHCC Presidential Candidate Q&A Series: Governor Martin O'Malley
in June, and O'Malley's proposals re: immigration, mentioned by Hayes tonight.
Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/
Hayes tonight mentioned O'Malley's proposals re: immigration as the only ones among candidates, after Hayes showed HRC's meeting at USHCC (Hispanic Chamber of Commerce) that occurred this week.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)In your link, she was redundant by using yo. Something many non spanishspeaking people do. It's actually not some big error.
Link to the error you are talking about?
If you read the article you linked to don't you think the Obama one was funny as could be.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Funny as hell. We had to replay it three times before we figured out what she was trying to say. It was not just being redundant. It was bad.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)"Yo quiero Taco Bell" is emphatic ... just "Quiero Taco Bell" is enough.
The OP probably doesn't speak spanish fluidly nor does the reporter.
Some examples:
Mi vecino sacó la basura, pero yo me olvidé de hacerlo.
Yo soy Pepa, ella es María.
¿Sabes quién ha llamado? Yo no lo sé, a lo mejor lo sabe él!
It is the same as "I will return" vs "I shall return" .. the "shall" is used for emphasis.
The duplicity of the opposing crowd is incredible. On one hand they say that every word Hillary speaks is measured and run through focus groups. But she makes gaffes like this despite the focus groups?
MADem
(135,425 posts)The gripe in the article is that she used the "redundant" word for "I" (yo) in a tweet. Frankly, that is NOT the crime of the century, and this article trying to pass it off as though it is sounds a bit like a whack to me.
She will never be as fluent as Jeb, but she doesn't need to be, even in broken Spanish she makes more sense than he ever could--her policies are entirely fluent, and her VP will be able to express himself elegantly in two languages.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Hillary with broken English but good policies. No thanks, this latina is going to vote for Bernie, and if he never said a word is spanish, it would be fine by me.
MADem
(135,425 posts)English. She then went on to Yale, where she got her J.D. It's kind of hard to practice law if you speak "broken English."
Her Spanish could use some work, but at least she tries. I do not disparage ANYONE who speaks a language poorly--I admire them for having the guts to try. More Americans should make the effort to speak a 2nd or 3rd or even 4th language. It's good for the brain.
You are welcome, of course, to vote for whosoever you choose. No one is suggesting that you aren't "allowed" to cast a vote for anyone--you can even vote for yourself, if you'd like.
But I think that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee for my party, and Jeb or Kasich for the other team.
azmom
(5,208 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
procon
(15,805 posts)A majority of Hispanic voters also seem to be lined up in her column, so (like most of us gringos) even if she isn't fluent in Spanish, they don't seem to see her Spanglish as a problem.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Information Spanglish does not mean a gringo speaking Spanish badly.
ˈspaNGɡliSH/
nouninformal
a hybrid language combining words and idioms from both Spanish and English, especially Spanish speech that uses many English words and expressions.
procon
(15,805 posts)They weren't critical of her well intentioned efforts.
Why is this teeny bit of unimportant trivia lodged in your craw?
azmom
(5,208 posts)At the same time.
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azmom
(5,208 posts)Germany, whose nickname is Chito. We laughed so hard. It was funny as hell.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)My god. That was insulting. She told her mom, see they are just like us. WTF, what did she think we were like?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)that was just plain creepy.
TexasTowelie
(112,134 posts)Hillary was involved with voter registration drives in South Texas in the early 70s. Has Bernie done any type of outreach to Hispanic voters before he started this campaign?
azmom
(5,208 posts)Practice a few times. Look like you made an effort.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #10)
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riversedge
(70,197 posts)when he courts them??
azmom
(5,208 posts)Joey Joe Joe
(50 posts)Or was it Telemundo?
moobu2
(4,822 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Wished she practiced a little. It was two lines.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to people in the south when she slips into her fake drawl?
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/06/02/3664725/shouldnt-make-fun-hillary-clintons-southern-accent-according-linguist/
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Hillary is a very thoughtful progressive who works hard for every vote.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)dsc
(52,157 posts)are we all big fakers for saying some southern stuff. I have been here since 2004 and that is still nearly a decade less than she spent in Arkansas.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but not during the formative years when her accent would've been adopted. I guess I just don't like blatant pandering.
dsc
(52,157 posts)guess I am a big fat faker too as are many NC people who have done the same, exact, precise thing.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)that is natural to pick those up. but do you actually speak with a southern drawl? and even if you do, you actually still live there....big difference between that and turning it on when its convenient imo.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)to Tennessee in her 20s and sounds like she was born there now.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)hillary has not lived in arkansas for quite some time. this is not an acquired accent that she speaks with all the time. This is something she turns on and off when it's politically convenient. Big difference.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)And notice he "speak" also seems to change in deference to the crowd he is speaking to. It's not a big deal.
I don't speak with a US accent, but when around a lotmof southers, for any length of time, I find a slight drawl creeping into my speech pattern...weird and strange, but it's a reflection meant without insult.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but i often read the texts of his remarks not listening to them.
its too bad, I would love to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt and say that she's just talking in a way that reflects what she's hearing around her, but she's such a smart and calculating politician that it is equally plausible she's doing it intentionally for effect. I just don't know which it is.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Every single campaigner is dressing with a certain message in mind, locating meeting and rallies at certain significant locations, brushing their teeth, using the right words, wearing deodorant, mannerisms, tone and inflections....all for avoiding offending a portential voter and gaining votes. In the big scheme of things hailing back to her Arkansan roots with any accent is just one in a medley of special effects used by every single candidate on the campaign trail. It just don't see the big deal. I remember thinking how Romney was a never a roll up you sleeves and forego the tie, type of person, yet there he was.
Oh and listening to Obama during his first terms speaking to a gospel group....he spoke very differently than when he was on the Senate floor.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)is romney with his "costco t shirts"
bwahahahahahaha!
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)And Hillary's successful day in San Antonio must be a fail because a Bernie supporter says so! And we all know how in touch with the real world they are!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Welfare Reform... Queen Latifa...
And she apparently has the LBGTQ vote...
Even though she and her husband screwed them...
DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell...
Hell... she probably has the Veteran's Vote...
Nuff said.
LuvLoogie
(6,995 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)And given the specific critiques in this thread, that is DOUBLE-hilarious!!!!!!!
bigtree
(85,989 posts)...pandering? How is her longtime support of Latino issues and concerns translate into pandering for highlighting that and making an overt appeal to the community of voters?
Kennedy was obviously 'pandering' to Berliners when he made his iconic identification with residents there, even though he mangled the translation. This is desperation politics to criticize Hillary for her cadence. I can just imagine Bernie's Spanish accent.
azmom
(5,208 posts)You know anyone like that? Puerto Rico accent, maybe?
BlueMTexpat
(15,367 posts)translates to "I am a jelly donut,"
But he got the benefit of the doubt ... and so will Hillary with the people who count - and who remember her long track record.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And +1 to your comment!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Southern accent in 2007, I cringed.
She has flat vowels, like most people from the mid-west and there's nothing wrong with that! But she shouldn't use her accent to try and sound Southern. It falls, well, flat.
My daughter thinks Bernie "speaks funny," too, but he is who he is. He tried to say, "Y'all" in North Carolina and it came out like, "Yowl," but he laughed and said, "I know it's one word, but I can't say it."
Admitting you can't be everything to everyone is fine. Trying to pass it off as though you know what you're doing when you don't is another thing.
One really shouldn't speak a language they don't know well - whether it's a foreign one or colloquial. It never works.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Hillary spent many years in the South. But maybe you are the official Bernie Sander's accent police!
Also, every Spanish speaking person I know is usually happy and helpful when I try my limited Spanish. But if it makes you feel better complaining about someone being polite enough to try to communicate with everyone the best they can, then it's no wonder the latest polls reflect your candidates inability to do so or even try.
Oh, by the way, I lived in Kentucky for 5 years almost 30 years ago and I revert to ya'lls when I go back to visit. My friends in KY love it and say it shows I'll always have a little bit of the South in my heart.
You probably don't get that but some people care.
msongs
(67,395 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)manglers be speaking to?
MADem
(135,425 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,367 posts)but she has actually walked the walk with Hispanic voters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-courts-latinos-with-julian-castros-backing.html
She worked in South Texas in 1972 to register Hispanic voters for McGovern.
She also picked up a BIG endorsement in San Antonio..
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)So Sanders marching for Civil Rights in 1963 is old history that shouldn't influence AA voters today, but Clinton working with Hispanic voters in 1972 shows she has solid credentials with that community?
Bit of a dual standard being applied here now?
BlueMTexpat
(15,367 posts)or ANY of my DU posts, for that matter - dissed Bernie's record on civil rights?
I was merely pointing out that Hillary has solid creds from awhile back, which is undeniably true.
You really need to look at yourself. There seems to be some transference going on here.
riversedge
(70,197 posts)LuvLoogie
(6,995 posts)that you really don't like Hillary. Almost.
Are you convinced, yet?
randome
(34,845 posts)When a Democrat speaks Spanish, it's called "communication".
I understand your confusion.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)It's on her podium, too. "I am with you" is a pretty good translation. Did she pronounce it poorly? Probably. Did it matter to the audience? Probably not.
Do you speak Spanish? I do. When I do, my friends tell me I have an accent, but that they understand me. I sometimes make grammar and even vocabulary errors, of course. It's not my native language. I understand them, too, whether they speak Spanish or not such grammatical English. That you misheard what she said, even though it was right there on the podium, is odd.
She's doing quite well with Hispanic voters, though. Perhaps that bothers you. That won't change, by the way. Not a chance.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Who cares.
randome
(34,845 posts)Muscles respond to stress and outrage responds to unpleasant news.
Just look at the graph, man! LOOK. AT. IT.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And I thought yesterday's, "OMG there are copyright laws" thing was bizarre.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)pet·ty
ˈpedē/
adjective
1.
of little importance; trivial.
"the petty divisions of party politics"
synonyms: trivial, trifling, minor, small, unimportant, insignificant, inconsequential, inconsiderable, negligible, paltry, footling, pettifogging; More
2.
of secondary or lesser importance, rank, or scale; minor.
"a petty official"
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)"Yo quiero Taco Bell" is emphatic ... just "Quiero Taco Bell" is enough. (Surely Pepsico, which owned Taco Bell then, could afford native speaking copywriters)
The OP probably doesn't speak spanish fluidly (or fluently) nor does the reporter.
Some examples:
Mi vecino sacó la basura, pero yo me olvidé de hacerlo.
Yo soy Pepa, ella es María.
¿Sabes quién ha llamado? Yo no lo sé, a lo mejor lo sabe él!
It is the same as "I will return" vs "I shall return" .. the "shall" is used for emphasis.