Looks like a winning ticket to me.

[riversedge]

Adam Smith ‏@AdamSmith_USA 12h12 hours ago

Looks like a winning ticket to me.






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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. No Sale.

[riversedge]

3. Hillary is having a --Move over boys moment.....

[daleanime]

16. Sponsored by Wall Street.....

no sale.

[zentrum]

26. Ugh.

As a woman I have to say this image is exactly what actual feminism is not..

A woman who treats people in the same way the patriarchy always has, in its path towards domination, is just a patriarch in lipstick. The make up changes but the deep structure stays the same.

[retrowire]

30. exactly, feminism is equality not misandry god dammit. ugh n/t

[ms liberty]

35. Well said, and I agree...n/t

[BooScout]

119. As a woman and feminist....

I say I disagree with you and the cartoon is spot on! #Morewomen !

[zentrum]

120. Really?

That's kind of sad, because this image of feminism, with women walking over men, and banging them against the wall (figuratively speaking of course), is exactly the view of feminism that made us lose two generations of young women (X-ers and Millennials) who said they were not feminists, "because feminists hate men." They didn't identify with it. Images like this toon are why.

A broadly inclusive, smart feminism is and always will be a fight for equality and not for one sex lording it over another.

[workinclasszero]

2. Winning in a democratic landslide!

[Scuba]

4. She could very well win the Democratic primary, but would almost certainly lose in the GE.

Only Bernie is going to attract the voters needed for Democrats to win the GE. If Hillary is the nominee, Democratic turnout will be average, at best, while Republican turnout would hit an all-time high.

[brooklynite]

5. First he has to attract the voters needed to win the Primary...still a ways to go.

(I'll acknowledge that Facebook polls might show something different)

[Dawgs]

8. Regardless, Hillary will still lose in General.

Get used to saying President Bush again.

[daleanime]

18. At that point they will blame us...

for having been right.

[ronnykmarshall]

56. Don't break your arm

patting yourself on the back

[daleanime]

57. Knowing that we will be used as scrape-goats, again....

is indulging in self congratulating? Doesn't hurt to contort yourself so much? And don't worry, I know I'm not getting a sincere answer.

Have a lovely evening.

[ronnykmarshall]

58. You too ....

Is that sincere enough for ya?

[daleanime]

59. It will have to be....

it's more then I thought I would get.

[ronnykmarshall]

61. TGIF !!!

Smooches back at ya!

[brooklynite]

20. All you have to do is show me hard data that Sanders is a better GE candidate and I'll switch...

...like I did in 2008.

[Persondem]

23. Oh sure an old, white New England Socialist who is on record for wanting to raise taxes

and was a conscientious objector (i.e. which for GOP = draft dodger) with little appeal to minorities ....

Has exactly ZERO chance to win a GE in the USA.

[Dawgs]

25. Okay, but I was talking about Hillary.

She has less of a chance to win than whoever the guy is that you are describing.

[thesquanderer]

32. Either HRC or BS would almost certainly win the general

The electoral college pretty much guarantees it. There are too many states they can't lose. No way either of them loses New York, for example. Here's a good video about it:

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[ronnykmarshall]

54. Bush???

Oh please, Jebby is about ready drop out.

Try some other scare tactic.

[GummyBearz]

118. The possibility of uttering the words "president clinton" again is nearly as scary

as "president bush". Am I stuck in a fucking twilight zone episode? I already went through clinton vs bush once. We need new ideas instead of the same old shit...

[brush]

126. Come on you guys, your dislike for Hillary is clouding your judgment

The repugs can no longer win a national election with the way they dissed Latino Americans.

This country's demographics are browning as we speak. Thousands of 17-year-old Latinos are turning 18 — voting age — everyday. And they ain't gonna vote for a republican.

The Obama coalition also includes AAs who vote 90% plus for dems, gays, women, Asians and progressive whites and they aren't voting for the crazy party either so stop with the misinformation.

President Bush again?

Hah! Only in Jeb's dreams, dumb dreams at that as he has proven to be dumber than W.

Give this "Bush again" crappola a rest, it ain't happening.

It'll be whoever wins the Dem nomination.

[Cal33]

108. There is still more than a year before November, 2016. That's a lot of time for

Bernie at the rate he is going to get better known, in spite of the Republicans
trying their best to keep him out of the news altogether.

[Dawgs]

7. Amazing how many people don't see it.

Democrats are nominating someone that will lose against a Rubio or Bush, and we should no better.

[Chakaconcarne]

11. Sorry... I don't believe that is true at all

Whomever is the dem candidate in the GE will prevail and you (and I) can help make that happen if we choose to do so.

[Dawgs]

19. Nothing you or I do will help Hillary with her inability to excite people. Sorry. n/t

[okasha]

71. A candidate doesn't have to get a voter

to dance into the voting booth ready to pop a blood vessel with the adrenaline rush.

All she has to do is persuade J.Q. Citizen to walk calmly in, mark the ballot for her,
and walk out to make room for the next voter.
That's it. No car chases, no bang-bang, no band blaring at 120 decibels.

[brooklynite]

116. Definitely won't ve a lot of "excitement" for whomever the Republicans put up.

[brush]

128. Sorry but you are dead wrong

The repugs can't win a national election anymore with the changing demographics of the country.

How you can be so misinformed and be on this site is a wonder to me.

The next president will be whoever wins the Dem nomination — either Hillary or Bernie.

[still_one]

104. Here are some numbers of Bernie verses some republican candidates and Hillary verses the leading

republican candidates in Pennsylvania:

Carson verses Sanders: Carson +8
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_carson_vs_sanders-5712.html

Carson verses Clinton: Carson +4
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_carson_vs_clinton-5303.html

Trump verses Sanders: Trump +4
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_sanders-5648.html

Trump verses Clinton: Trump +2
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_clinton-5633.html

Pennsylvania: Fiorina vs. Sanders: Fiorina +2
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_fiorina_vs_sanders-5711.html

Fiorina vs. Clinton: Fiorina +1
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_fiorina_vs_clinton-5708.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want and spew whatever they want here. The facts are that it will be tough for any Democratic candidate, and to naively believe it doesn't apply to "their" candidate is ignoring the facts

[Scuba]

106. Many (most?) polls are designed to influence opinion, not measure it.

[brush]

129. Sorry, your scare tactic is not working

RealClear Politics is a right wing pollster.

Try something else.

[still_one]

132. There is no scare tactic, and the poll numbers were not done by real clear politics. These were

independent pollesters. They just reprinted the results. If you believe that PPP, Quinipac, Granite, and the other pollesters are part of some right wing conspirisy, than you have quite an imagination going on.

and if you believe the current crop of republican candidates do not present a real threat, then you are not paying attention to what has been happening

[brush]

134. I'd say you're the one not paying attention

The demographics of our country is browning as I write. Thousands of 17-year-old Latino/a Americans turn 18 everyday voting age, and they aren't voting for repugs whose party has dissed them constantly. And neither are their parents.

Repugs can no longer win a national election. They are fast becoming a regional party and have not won the presidency legitimately since 1988 with GHWB (they stole both 2000 and 2004).

And African Americans, Asian Americans, gays, women, progressive whites — the Obama Coalition, which outnumbers the rapidly aging-out repugs, are not voting republican either.

Open your eyes. Why don't you know this? The Electoral College break down clearly shows this. We outnumber them and we turn out in presidential election years.

Whether it's Hillary or Bernie we Dems are going to win the presidency — even if some sour, disgruntled Bernie supporters pull a "Puma", a la '08.

[still_one]

142. I hope you are right, but obviously you are not aware of the Southern strategy. In addition,

because of Gerrymandering the House will not change hands until at least the next census.

That the Senate and House are controlled by republicans should tell you that despite the demographics, the republicans still won enough to control Congress in the midterms.

While the demographics of the country has changed, that is no guarantee.

What happened to Wendy Davis is a perfect example

[brush]

146. We're talking about the presidential race in 2016 . . .

not the mid-terms, right? At least that's what my post was about.

The repugs can't win the White House again in the foreseeable future. One big reason being how they've dissed the Latino community time and time again, Trump and his "rapist, criminal" remarks being only the lastest, most prominent example.

Dems turn out heavily in the presidential election years and the rest of the Obama Coalition — blacks, gays, women, Asian Americans. white progressives, who outnumber republicans, will certainly not be voting repug.

[still_one]

148. I hope you are right, but I won't take anything for granted, and neither should you

[brush]

150. Of course we have to work hard to get out the vote

As always.

[still_one]

151. ok, good. At least we are in agreement on that

[NorthCarolina]

6. If Hillary wins the primary, whether by hook or by crook,

she will likely not prevail in the GE. She has zero crossover appeal, and the she does nothing to inspire Independents. The establishment WILL win either way though, and the people, as usual, will lose. But if that's what you want to fight for, the establishment, then so be it.

[Dawgs]

9. Don't forget that she called Republicans 'the enemy' the other night.

Supreme court will likely end up being 6 conservatives and 3 liberals before Bush's first term is over.

[SheilaT]

42. That's what I keep saying.

Her supporters just don't understand how very hated she is outside a relatively small circle. They complain bitterly about how she is treated here, but don't get that all of DU is a love fest for her compared to how she's perceived in the outside world.

And while I, as a woman myself, understand how great it would be to have a woman President in my lifetime, I honestly don't think it will be Hillary Clinton. There will be virtually no crossover of Republican women to vote for her. Imagine Carly Fiorina as the Republican nominee, and one of the men as the Democratic nominee. Would any of the Clinton supporters switch and vote for Fiorina because they are so yearning for a woman, any woman, as President? I sincerely doubt it.

In the same way, very few Republican women, least of all the most conservative of them, will vote for Hillary. Indeed, I suspect that a lot of the men will make sure to vote against her, as will all of their wives.

On the other hand, if we actually do wind up with Fiorina vs Clinton, it will be something to see.

[NanceGreggs]

127. Could you kindly explain ...

... how, if HRC is "hated outside a relatively small circle", she is the front-runner in all polls? Are all of the various and sundry polling organizations limiting their surveys to only those within that small circle? Or are those surveyed determined to vote for someone who is "very hated" - and if so, for what reason?

The reason Hillary is treated badly on DU is because 85% of those posting here are (allegedly) BS supporters, while only 10% are HRC supporters (the remaining 5% are still undecideds). In the "outside world" to which you refer, BS has nowhere near 85% support, which would lead any thinking person to know how NOT reflective of the "outside world" DU has become.

As for your assertion that "DU is a love fest compared to how (HRC) is perceived in the outside world", again I would point you to the polls - and again ask you to explain where those numbers come from, if not from the "outside world" you seem to be completely unfamiliar with.

I continue to be flummoxed by BS supporters - who have access to the same polling results as everyone else - continuing to insist that HRC can't win the general and is hated by everyone outside of a "small circle", when she is still in the lead nationally and her numbers continue to rise.

You might want to venture out into that "outside world" once in a while and see what's going on out here - instead of living in the DU bubble, where ignoring reality has become not only necessary, but mandatory.

[SheilaT]

153. I spend most of my time in the "outside world"

and that outside world is not very Hillary Clinton friendly. I maintain that the Hillary supporters are the ones who live in a bubble. They are a closed circle, reinforcing their belief that Hillary is The Anointed One, that she is the woman all women will vote for because they are so longing for a woman as President. In reality, while it would be really very nice to have a woman President, even those of us in the Democratic Party enclave, do not buy into the Hillary the Inevitable paradigm. And those outside that circle REALLY don't buy into that paradigm. And I'm not even considering mainstream Republicans. Shall we start discussing conservatives? Or the tea party?

Do you really think that there is such a vast longing out there for a woman President that vast numbers of nominal Republicans will cross party lines and voter for Hillary? Then why don't we have Senator Alison Lundgren Grimes from Tennessee? Or Governor Wendy Davis in Texas?

Think about it. If those women could do as badly as they did, what makes you think Hillary Clinton would do that much better. Really?

I am flummoxed by the Hillary supporters who live inside a bubble in which her Iraq war vote somehow doesn't matter, in which her bellicose support of war in general is somehow good, in which her connection to Wall Street is subordinate to current economics. In which her support of the TPP, until she turned against it, was a good thing. In short, I cannot begin to fathom how in the hell you can overlook her previous positions and her current expedient positions somehow cancel each other out. She is a politician who sways with the breezes, who says what she thinks people want to hear. I see almost no evidence of any conviction to any core of beliefs. In short, there is no there there.

I do spend most of my life outside the DU bubble. I have even run for office myself, so I will hold myself up against anyone who tries to say I'm not engaged in the real world of politics.

Have you run for office? Have you gone door-to-door for a candidate? Have you made phone calls for a candidate? I have done all of those. I've run for office, and I've made the phone calls and gone door-to-door for others. So put up your bona fides. I have them in spades.

[NanceGreggs]

169. I don't know why you're on about ...

... HRC being a woman, and that all women will vote for her because they are longing for a woman president? Where does such nonsense originate? Who told you that anyone believes that "vast numbers of Republicans will cross party lines and vote for Hillary"?

The "Hillary is inevitable" meme was started by the MSM during the 2008 primaries, NOT by Democrats. It was part of the horserace mentality the media always engages in to keep asses on the couch. It was when Obama started surpassing her in the polls that the MSM started the "looks like she's not so inevitable after all" bullshit. If you want to buy into the media's bullshit, that's your prerogative.

But getting back to the question I posed - which you obviously are trying to dodge - if "Hillary supporters are the ones who live in a bubble, if they are a closed circle", how do you explain her poll numbers? Are you saying that the vast majority of Democrats are living in that bubble, and/or are in a closed circle - because if so, that's a damned big circle, isn't it?

Again, how can you look at HRC's numbers across the board, which show solid support from the majority of Democrats polled, and say it's just a closed circle? Given BS's numbers, it would seem that if there is a "closed circle" of people living in a bubble, it would be Bernie's supporters. THEY are in the minority, not the HRC supporters.

So you ran for office, did you? If so, you should be more than familiar with the fact that if the vast majority of voters were supporting the other candidate, that meant your supporters were in the minority. And yet here you are insisting the exact opposite - that the majority is a "small circle", while the minority somehow isn't.

This isn't rocket science - it's just common sense.

As for HRC supporters "living in a bubble where her Iraq War vote doesn't matter," etc., apparently it doesn't. I know you WANT it to matter, but obviously it doesn't to most voters. Again, look at the poll numbers. If her vote DID matter, she wouldn't have come as close as she did to winning the nomination in 2008 - when that vote was still very fresh in everyone's mind. And again, she has the MAJORITY of Dems backing her now, so obviously that vote wasn't the deal-breaker you'd hoped it would be.

Look, when BS supporters put credence in an on-line "poll" that declares that BS will win all 50 states - given that his current numbers are stagnating in the 20s with no sign of going any higher - you've got to figure they are just NOT looking at reality at all. They are living in the DU bubble, where their fellow Bernistas are constantly telling them that polls don't matter, that scientific polls are the same as on-line polls, and any other bullshit that can be conjured up to deflect from real-world facts.

[uponit7771]

45. Same could be said for Obama in 12 right? Gain more of the Obama coolition

[RBInMaine]

46. Bernie is a great guy but would get CRUSHED in the general with "Socialist Socialist Socialist....."

[DCBob]

94. She will win.

Almost any Democrat would win.. the map favors us fortunately. Plus the Republicans are in disarray and will probably nominate a flawed candidate. Democrats especially women and minorities wiill be inspired to vote. We will see President Hillary Clinton.

[Cha]

10. Awesome pic, riveredge!

[paleotn]

12. I'm sure Lloyd Blankfein is thrilled. (nt)

[shenmue]

13. Yes!

[Rose Siding]

14. That would be my choice, too.

[JRLeft]

15. Wall Street owned you couldn't find 2 better Third Way candidates.

[paleotn]

17. Precisely. (nt)

[azmom]

28. +1000000

[Maineman]

21. No

[SoLeftIAmRight]

22. Who are the winners

???

[okasha]

24. And to me.

I'm tired of all the pouty little "She can't win without precious me!" snits.

[MADem]

60. Lotta sour grapes in the vicinity, I notice...~!

The guy standing with Hillary in the picture?

When HE was a mayor, he had responsibility for more souls than live in the ENTIRE state of Vermont.

That's a good leadership package, right there.


Population of VT. 630K

Population of San Antonio: 1.4 million

More rally pics:

[Gamecock Lefty]

27. RAISE HILL 2016!

Sometimes the best man for a job is a woman.

Great pic.

And don't worry about all the BernieBots saying she'll lose the general election, that she has no crossover appeal, that she is not exciting. Bah humbug!

Remember the excitement and crowds for Howard Dean in 2004 vs John Kerry? What happened with that nomination???

Go get 'em, Hill!!!

[Fawke Em]

29. Ugh

[ronnykmarshall]

53. Oh looky

more shitting on a Hillary thread by Bernie supporters. What a shocker!

[MADem]

62. I have to say, I've never seen so many snitty and half-baked remarks in response to a RALLY thread.

It's a rally and an endorsement--not a major policy speech.

It's bitter and mean-spirited, these "crap on the thread" remarks. The anger, the nitpicking!

"How DARE she enjoy support from a community she has supported all her adult life! How DARE she get an endorsement from an influential former mayor/cabinet official! WAAAAH!!!! She can't win, she's not a 'feminist,; Get ready for (hahahahaha) Bush....the Sky. Is. FALLING, I tell you...FALLING!!!!!"

This thread is worth bookmarking--just for the carping comments. I sometimes wonder if people realize how petty this kind of thing is?

[ronnykmarshall]

66. It's close to classics like:

Goodbye Daddy

IT'S A TRAP

and the various

Call Congress RIGHT FUCKING NOW

[uponit7771]

99. Hate progress much? tia

[SheilaT]

31. I will confess that I simply do not

recognize the man in the first picture. Perhaps I should, but I don't.

[cannabis_flower]

38. Julian Castro

He was mayor of San Antonio before he became Secretary of Housing and Urban Development in Obama's administration

[SheilaT]

43. Thank you.

It just shows that he's not exactly a widely known public figure. Probably slightly better known here on DU than anywhere other than San Antonio, but still not a national presence.

[DesertRat]

33. I like it!

[ProgressiveJarhead]

34. Seriously?

Take money from prison lobbyists who represent those who make money by locking up women and kids? I used to think that only republican base voters voted against their own interests. If and when she damages this country as POTUS, remember that all of her glossy eyed, drooling supporters will own it.

[cannabis_flower]

36. Yes, but..

It seems that either Hillary or Bernie, or even Martin at the head of the ticket will probably be a winning ticket. And Castro would be a very good choice no matter which of them might choose him.

[Laser102]

41. I like Castro. Good solid Democrat. Why not have him on the ticket? Win, win!

It's a good move for her and for Castro. Then it's his turn after her. See how great that would be? By the way, for those who wish to stay home and not vote if their candidate doesn't win, I'm okay with that.

[BlueStater]

37. Yeah, put the guy on the ticket because he's brown!

And not because, you know, he's actually qualified or anything. That won't backfire on Hillary whatsoever!

[riversedge]

47. Why do you think he is not qualified

[BlueStater]

50. Mayor and HUD Secretary? Really?

You honestly believe that's enough experience to be first in line to the presidency? Because it isn't. Castro is a political novice and has no place on a national ticket.

He would be a horrendously unqualified pick and would give Republicans plenty of ammo for attacking Clinton's judgment. And they'd be right.

[MADem]

68. Go get a map. Look where San Antonio is located. Then look up the population of the city.

Compare it with, say, the population of Burlington, VT.

No...WAIT.....compare it with, say, the populaton of the ENTIRE STATE of VT.

Guess which one is bigger? By more than twice the size?

San Antonio is the SEVENTH LARGEST CITY in the USA, with a population of 1,409,019 (only ten thousand fewer people than Hawaii) and has a larger population than some states. Which states?
[center]
Maine 1,330,089
New Hampshire 1,326,813
Rhode Island 1,055,173
Montana 1,023,579
Delaware 935,614
South Dakota 853,175
North Dakota 739,482
Alaska 736,732
Vermont 626,562
Wyoming 584,153

[/center]

I don't remember you complaining that Linc Chaffee didn't have enough experience to be running for POTUS--after all, he was governor of a state of only a million, fifty five thousand people.

Who's got more experience dealing with leading a large, complex, diverse border city? There aren't many mayors who have to work governmental issues on an international level, but the Mayor of San Antonio is one of those.

The truth is this--Mr. Castro has more leadership experience as the former mayor of SA than Senator Sanders, as former Mayor of Burlington, (population today, 42K--it was less when he was in charge) has. In many states, the city of Burlington would be a medium sized TOWN.

So let's just dispense with this "experience" nonsense, shall we?



The Democratic Party didn't pick Castro as our keynoter at the 2012 convention because they thought he didn't have any leadership skills. They--unlike you--were already completely familiar with his experience level.

You know who else gave a keynote speech? Barack Obama. Bill Clinton gave one too.

As HUD Secretary, his reach extends to every single state AND territory under control of the USA.

Just because YOU don't know this guy's resume doesn't mean he is unqualified. All we've learned is that you are unqualified to talk about him, because you plainly know nothing about the man.

smh.

[BlueStater]

72. Good lord, what an obnoxiously condescending, smug post.

They picked him to give the speech because of his oratory talents, obviously. How the fuck does being a good public speaker make him qualified to be Vice President? It's all just a bunch of superficial bullshit and should not be a reason why we promote people to the highest office in the land.

Comparing him to Obama and Bill Clinton is a joke. I didn't support Obama in 2008 precisely because I didn't think he was qualified enough but he was at least a senator with some experience dealing in national and foreign affairs. And Clinton was the longtime governor of Arkansas so he was way above Castro and his five years as mayor.

I already addressed this in my other post but the mayor of San Antonio is a mostly a figurehead position and the real power lies with the city manager. And, good grief, you're really arguing that HUD Secretary is enough experience to prepare for the Vice Presidency? The only HUD Secretary who ever ran on a national ticket was Jack Kemp and he was, you know, a former congressman with nearly 20 years experience who had already ran for President once before.

Is anyone constantly mentioning that Lincoln Chafee should be President or the VP nominee? What a non-sequitur.

You haven't proven that he has enough experience at all. All you've done is talk down to me. You also put way too much faith in what politicians think is right. If people like you think Castro being VP is a good idea, then I know I'm right for opposing him.

[MADem]

79. Yes, because FACTS are SMUG.

As for your "smug and condescending" figurehead assessment (anything to minimize/denigrate), you're welcome to your opinion, which is not shared by most. I doubt you'd last two days as the Mayor of San Antonio. Council-style governments force a mayor to be persuasive and diplomatic, as opposed to being an order-barking blowhard.

And as for this:

Is anyone constantly mentioning that Lincoln Chafee should be President or the VP nominee? What a non-sequitur.

my point was this--you can complain about a possible, undeclared, VP candidate's experience level, but you didn't say a single word about this declared POTUS candidate's experience? Pfffft! And of COURSE you don't have an agenda....!

I hope my candidate does pick "the figurehead" for her VP. That's an unbeatable ticket.

[BlueStater]

80. I didn't see any "facts" in your gasbag of a post.

A lot of empty puffing up of Julian and a lot of talking down to me, but no facts.

Since Lincoln Chafee has no chance of being on the ticket next year, it's totally irrelevant what I think of his qualifications. Funny how you don't mention that he was also a senator, though, and, unlike your beloved Hillary, had the foresight to see what a clusterfuck the Iraq War would be.

You sure seem to be taking this personally. Did Julian save you from a burning building or something?

[MADem]

82. Gee, whiz--you didn't see any FACTS? You didn't look very hard, did you?

Your take away, at a minimum, should have been a knowledge of which states in the USA have a smaller population than the city of San Antonio.

Speaking of taking things personally, check your mirror--you are the one who started in with the characterizing comments (and you continue the 'fine tradition' with remarks about what I 'seem' to be doing/feeling). Guess the "personal shot" is the Go-To with you?

I didn't bring the "smug" word into this discussion--YOU did. You immediately started talking about ME instead of the topic. Pull the string. Or don't. You've already showed your cards.

That kind of deflection/distraction away from the topic is what makes DU suck.

[BlueStater]

84. Let's see here.

In your initial response, you told me to get a map so I could see where San Antonio was and then told me I was unqualified to have an opinion on a political figure. Yeah, that's not personal at all.

I've said plenty about Castro and his experience but I guess you've just been conveniently ignoring that so you can treat me like a five year old some more.

When you resort to mentioning Julian speaking at the Democratic convention as an argument for his qualifications, your "facts" are in short supply. And claiming that I, an average citizen, couldn't handle being Mayor of San Antonio as if that's somehow supposed to make Julian look better is just totally weak. There's not really a whole lot to refute there.

His qualifications are totally laughable. He'd have the thinnest resume of any VP nominee in decades with maybe the exception of Palin. Yeah, even Dan Quayle was more experienced than Julian Castro. Personally, I'll leave the pandering upstart picks to the Republicans. Youth, skin color, and speechifying don't mean shit to me when it comes to the person a heartbeat away from the presidency.

[MADem]

86. Yeah, let's see, indeed--you were the one who opened the volley with a racist comment.

Yeah, put the guy on the ticket because he's brown!

And not because, you know, he's actually qualified or anything. That won't backfire on Hillary whatsoever!

You may have found that "cute" or "pithy" -- but that was a racist comment.

Castro has a political career (youngest city councilman in the history of the city) that predates his elections ("only" three terms) to the mayoral position of the 7th largest US city -- and postdates that as a federal cabinet official -- yet you reduce and diminish him down to being "brown."

He's 41 years old--I'd say he's done a LOT in the fifteen years he has been in public life. More than sitting on his ass in a legislature and enjoying more recess than a kindergarten class.

There's something "laughable" going on here, all right. This is not a "liberal" or "progressive" message board when shit like that flies through the air.

smh.

[BlueStater]

87. His skin color is the only reason he's being considered.

Sorry that the truth stings so much. His credentials are impressive for a regular person but certainly not for the second most important job in US government and there is absolutely no way somebody with a resume as weak as him would be vetted if not for what he is. Just like the only reason Palin was picked was because of her gender, the only reason Castro might be picked is because he happens to share the same race as the fastest growing minority in the country.

Picking him would be a totally shallow move that would make Hillary look bad. The GOP has their own Hispanic politicians they can put on their tickets like Governors Brian Sandoval and Susana Martinez (who, of course, also happens to be a woman) who have much more executive experience than Castro and would make him look like a lightweight by comparison. He would be a disaster.

You should be shaking your head at your own posts.

[MADem]

88. Yes, President Obama loved his "brown-ness" so much he tossed him up on the convention stage.

And then he handed him a Cabinet post....

Just because of his lovely brown hue!

Listen to you. Incredible. You double down, like you're proud of your hate-filled words.

Picking him would be a smart move--he's young, he's a go-getter, he's achieved more by his 41st birthday than any other candidate running for the TOP spot (Bernie was Castro's age now when he was elected to his first term running a town of thirty some odd thousand people), and he is The FUTURE--and I know that drives some people nuts, and to that I say lo siento pero no puedo llorar.

BlueStater
87. His skin color is the only reason he's being considered.
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Sorry that the truth stings so much. His credentials are impressive for a regular person but certainly not for the second most important job in US government and there is absolutely no way somebody with a resume as weak as him would be vetted if not for what he is. Just like the only reason Palin was picked was because of her gender, the only reason Castro might be picked is because he happens to share the same race as the fastest growing minority in the country.

Picking him would be a totally shallow move that would make Hillary look bad. The GOP has their own Hispanic politicians they can put on their tickets like Governors Brian Sandoval and Susana Martinez (who, of course, also happens to be a woman) who have much more executive experience than Castro and would make him look like a lightweight by comparison. He would be a disaster.

You should be shaking your head at your own posts.

[BlueStater]

89. You're a broken record.

All you ever do is puff up Castro and never give anyone any real reason why he should be Vice President. He's young and "the future"? Really? How in the fuck are those qualifications for VP? That just gives weight to my argument that he's only being considered for superficial reasons and not because he's actually ready. Speaking at a convention and being HUD Secretary are a long way off from being second in line to the presidency behind a 69 year old woman with some health problems. What a joke.

And you're accusing me of being "hate-filled" and "racist" because you have zero case to speak of.

[MADem]

90. You're the broken one, here.

I'm not calling a guy who has more experience at his age than any of the POTUS candidates did at the same point in their lives a token.

Sitting in a legislature, sleeping and farting, and spending more time at 'recess' than doing the work of the people is hardly a recommendation, either.

BlueStater
89. You're a broken record.
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All you ever do is puff up Castro and never give anyone any real reason why he should be Vice President. He's young and "the future"? Really? How in the fuck are those qualifications for VP? That just gives weight to my argument that he's only being considered for superficial reasons and not because he's actually ready. Speaking at a convention and being HUD Secretary are a long way off from being second in line to the presidency behind a 69 year old woman with some health problems. What a joke.

And you're accusing me of being "hate-filled" and "racist" because you have zero case to speak of.

[BlueStater]

92. Again, the truth hurts.

You just can't accept that Castro has extremely weak qualifications for Vice President and that he's only being considered for shallow reasons. That's why you're resorting to posting irrelevant nonsense like claiming he's "the future" and how he's accomplished more at his age than any of the leading presidential contenders have when they were his, WHICH STILL DOESN'T MAKE HIM QUALIFIED.

Oh, and I can copy your posts too. See?

"San Antonio is a nice town, but it provides insufficient experience to someone seeking the second most important executive position in the land.

Lyin' Ryan, who served in the House, was regarded as insufficiently experienced. Even Obama had to overcome the accusation as a Senator--his inexperience was, to no small degree, mitigated by the presence of Biden on the ticket.

If Castro wants national office, he needs to come at it from the national legislature or a governorship." - MADem, January 17, 2013

I guess HUD Secretary since July 2014 was apparently the "sufficient experience" Castro needed.

[MADem]

95. 8k employees and a budget of 46 BILLION--that's weak to you?

Let's compare that with the charge of the CURRENT mayor of Burlington (which is a two-horse, as opposed to a one-horse town....which it was back in the early eighties)....he's got a couple of hundred employees and a budget of 180 million.

So yeah, let's talk about "weak qualifications."

It takes no small degree of executive ability to manage a cabinet position that spans every state and territory. And that's not a podunk budget. The biggest budget your candidate ever managed was much smaller--a veritable PITTANCE--compared to even Castro's mayoral budget--which was a tiny fraction (last year's was 2.4 BILLION) compared to his current responsibilities.

You haven't come up with any "truth" here. What does hurt is that ugly "brown" language coming from you, though.

BlueStater
92. Again, the truth hurts.
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You just can't accept that Castro has extremely weak qualifications for Vice President and that he's only being considered for shallow reasons. That's why you're resorting to posting irrelevant nonsense like claiming he's "the future" and how he's accomplished more at his age than any of the leading presidential contenders have when they were his, WHICH STILL DOESN'T MAKE HIM QUALIFIED.

Oh, and I can copy your posts too. See?

"San Antonio is a nice town, but it provides insufficient experience to someone seeking the second most important executive position in the land.

Lyin' Ryan, who served in the House, was regarded as insufficiently experienced. Even Obama had to overcome the accusation as a Senator--his inexperience was, to no small degree, mitigated by the presence of Biden on the ticket.

If Castro wants national office, he needs to come at it from the national legislature or a governorship." - MADem, January 17, 2013

I guess HUD Secretary since July 2014 was apparently the "sufficient experience" Castro needed.

[treestar]

113. Smacks of right winger meme of getting too much

because he is brown. Complaining that someone is getting ahead too fast because of being from a minority. Oh the poor poor white people suffer much from this!

[BlueStater]

138. You want a qualified Hispanic man on a national ticket?

Support Bill Richardson then. Former Governor of New Mexico and former ambassador to the UN. He's somebody I would be totally comfortable with being President. I certainly can't say the same for Julian Castro.

[treestar]

156. That is a good idea.

I always thought he was qualified.

[MADem]

161. Naaah. He's got way too much baggage.

Scandal, cheating, cover-ups (see 159, below).

Also, he screwed Clinton in 08 (traded his endorsement for what he thought would be the SECSTATE gig...and then, he ended up getting the shaft, too) --why would she trust him now?

He'd make a great special envoy on North Korean issues, but that's about as far as he could be trusted.

[MADem]

159. Please. He's got "cheater" problems. And money problems. He also

shafted Clinton in 08 in a rather visible and vigorous way--he traded his endorsement for what he thought would be a SECSTATE gig, then had to settle for COMMERCE, then got tossed out on his ass after he came under the "money scandal" gun. That was followed in short order by affair, sexual harassment, and "not the crime but the cover-up" allegations.

Forget about him--his day has passed. That is such an uninformed choice--a horrible, sure-to-lose pick.

Good grief, how soon people forget!!!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/03/12/the-man-obama-double-crossed.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/politics/22richardson.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2009/02/bill-richardson-tarnished-by-scandal-018741

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/us/ex-governor-bill-richardson-is-said-to-be-under-investigation.html?_r=0

[uponit7771]

101. whoa!!?!? Castro empirically has a lot of experience you're ignoring

[MADem]

122. It's hilarious, isn't it?

Castro had more budgetary oversight as SA Mayor than all of the PRESIDENTIAL candidates, save Clinton and Webb (State and Defense portfolios are 'big money'). As HUD SEC, his budgetary authority was forty six BILLION. And we know, since he was on the job well ahead of the start of the last FY, that he's gone through two budget cycles at HUD now--and that, in and of itself, is a right royal pain in the ass.

Castro has more leadership/diplomacy skills than some of the POTUS candidates, too.

[riversedge]

83. MaDem presented a valid argument with facts-and you have problems comprehening them.

[BlueStater]

85. Why didn't you respond to what I wrote earlier when replying to you?

I see you have absolutely no problem chiming in again when it's to take a shot at me. How fascinating.

[riversedge]

98. Well, I read

responses from MaDem -she actually did much better in responding with valid points. Why reinvent the wheel. Castro is very qualified. Have a good day.

[brush]

130. Here's a fact: He's Latino American

Another fact — thousands of 17-year-old Latino/a Americans turn 18 everyday, and they aren't voting for no fu_king repug whose party has dissed them constantly — especially when someone young from their own community who they can relate to is on the ticket.

And yet another fact — Latino Americans are a large part of the Democratic party constituency so for you to suggest that Castro might be picked only because of his skin color despite 15 years of public service is, frankly, racist. What, Latinos are only supposed to shut up, show up and vote Dem but not be part of leadership?

And African Americans, Asian Americans, gays, women, progressive whites — the Obama Coalition, are not voting fu_king repug either.

Open your eyes. Dems outnumber repugs and our advantage grows more and more daily with the browning-as-we-speak demographic of the country.

So get outta here with the scare tactics, whether it's Hillary or Bernie we Dems are going to win the presidency — even if some sour, disgruntled Bernie supporters pull a "Puma".

[cosmicone]

102. Are you sad that Bernie is not being considered? Lo siento. n/t

[treestar]

111. You are talked down to by presentation of facts?

Incredibly sensitive people should avoid GDP.

So mayor is now a figurehead position? Prove that it also regarding the mayoralty or Burlington.

[BlueStater]

135. It's still 1989?

Because that's the last time Bernie was mayor according to Wikipedia. All this time I thought he was a sitting United States senator who had been in congress for 24 years! You learn something new everyday.

[brush]

139. Wrong again. Sanders was a Congressman for 16 years. He's only been in the Senate since 2006

[BlueStater]

141. Last time I checked, the Senate WAS Congress.

16 years as a Representative + 8 years as a senator = 24 years.

[brush]

147. Be clear then, your post implied that he had been a sitting senator for 24 years.

[BlueStater]

163. Or maybe you just misunderstood it?

I said he was a sitting senator who had been in Congress for 24 years. I never said he spent all those years as a senator.

[brush]

167. And you call that being clear?

[treestar]

157. But what about mayor being a figurehead position?

Is that true of only San Antonio? Generally true? Prove mayor of Burlington was more than a figurehead then. Are you saying because it was 1989 it was not? When did mayor become a figurehead position?

[treestar]

110. Excellent information

Thanks for introducing that.

[TexasBushwhacker]

123. I don't have an issue with his qualifications

and I think he might help get more Latinos registered and get them to the polls. That's good. But Hillary is already popular with Latinos. So the question is, could the HRC/Castro combo secure swing states like Florida, New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado? Maybe, but Hispanics are not monolithic. Most Florida Latinos are Cuban, and just like Marco Rubio, are conservative.

California is already solidly blue but Texas is still really red. Maybe they could pick up Arizona.

Good numbers here:

http://www.pewhispanic.org/states/

[MADem]

124. I think he could turn some red states blue.

Do not underestimate (as opposed to the Bush "mis-underestimate&quot the ability of PRIDE to motivate a bloc of voters. Conservative latinos will put their biases aside to see a team member within striking distance of The Prize.

Who doesn't want to be associated, not just by citizenship, but also by culture and heritage, with a guy who, if all goes well, might someday soon be the leader of the Free World? "He's one of US, that means WE can do that TOO." It's a powerful image and concept for the children--and it will move votes.

[ibegurpard]

160. It's located in Texas

A solid red state that will not be voting for a Democrat any time in the near future.

[MADem]

162. We. Shall. See!

Here's what ELSE Texas is--it's a MONEY PIT.

If the GOP are forced to spend money in TX to keep their place, that's money they aren't spending elsewhere.

[Codeine]

48. Julian Castro isn't qualified?!

Pray tell?

[MADem]

63. Population of the entire state of VT: 630K. Population of San Antonio: 1.4 MILLION.

Yeah, he's not "actually qualified" or anything.

[BlueStater]

65. That's right. He isn't.

Being mayor should not be a stepping stone to the presidency. If it was, Rudy Giuliani was more than qualified in 2008. The mayor of San Antonio is mostly a figurehead position anyway and the real power lies with the city manager.

Gee, you know, two years ago you called Castro "insufficiently experienced" to be VP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022209342#post2

So, tell me, what experience has Castro gained since then that now makes him "sufficiently experienced" in your eyes?

[BlueStater]

81. Nothing to say here?

Why did you think Castro was unqualified back in 2013 yet are now "RAH RAH CASTRO" today? What has he done in the past two years that made you take a complete 180 on your assessment of his experience?

[MADem]

91. He's been in the cabinet since then--hello?

You yourself typed the words "two years ago." Read your own posts, do.

He didn't stay in the mayoral job--he moved UP.

[BlueStater]

93. HUD Sercretary for 14 months?

That's the point where he went from "unqualified" to "qualified" to you? Good grief.

[MADem]

96. To go from a budget of 2.5 billion to a budget of 46 Billion is significant.

It's way more money than Sanders has had to manage, ever. And he's running for the top spot, with his only executive experience being the mayor of a one horse town which today only has forty some odd thousand residents.

Now that's "insufficient experience" if you ask me.

[brush]

131. You need to back off on this argument. You're clearly losing and starting to sound racist

[BlueStater]

133. Um, how about "no"?

He's not fucking experienced enough to be Vice President and no matter of pulling the race card at me will get me to stop saying so.

[brush]

136. That's your opinion only. Many others don't agree.

[brush]

137. Ahhh . . . you sound just like Sarah Palin did in '08 smearing Pres. Obama for having been . . .

a community organizer.

But go for it.

That's some company to be associated with, though.

[BlueStater]

140. Except that Obama was a senator.

A senator with little experience, mind you, but a senator none the less. So he wasn't just a community organizer. Calling Castro a mayor and a HUD Secretary, on the hand, is an accurate statement because it's the only relevant qualifications he's had when it comes to the Vice Presidency.

Citing his years as a councilman as experience to be Vice President is fucking ridiculous. So it's okay to mock Sarah Palin's 20 months as Governor of Alaska as being laughable qualifications for VP, but claiming it's also absurd to cite Julian Castro's 8 or so years as a councilman as relevant experience is "racist". Looks like Republicans aren't the only ones with hypocrisy and double standards.

[brush]

149. You're really digging that hole.

Castro has as much experience as many veep nominees in the past.

Don't know why you're beating this dead horse. It's all about the numbers. Besides having 15 years of executive/public service, he is Latino American, a plus in my book, apparently not yours though, but he represents a huge voting block, a big part of the Democratic constituency, and he is young and attractive.

The Democratic Party is a majority/minority party now with the shifted demographics of the country.

We can't just run an all-white ticket. Those days are past.

Better get on board or get left behind.

[BlueStater]

165. "he is Latino America", "young and attractive"

Yes, those certainly are some substantial reasons on why someone should be first in line to the presidency.

[brush]

166. You left out the 15 years of executive experience in public service. Why?

[uponit7771]

100. wow, folk are getting awefully racial here lately no?!

[BlueStater]

125. I agree.

Hillary considering this guy for his skin color and despite his lack of experience is pretty racist and pandering, not to mention dangerous and irresponsible.

[McCamy Taylor]

144. Are you really a "blue stater"? How can you not know about the Castros?

They are THE up and coming Texas Democratic political family. They are the Kennedys of the 21st century. Anyone who does not recognize them and their potential does not understand the Democratic Party.

It is easy to call oneself "BlueStater." But when you start dismissing a brilliant young politician as affirmative action---you make me wonder.

[BlueStater]

164. Right. Anyone who doesn't see the greatness of Julian Castro is a right-wing troll.

My 3000-something posts since June 20, 2005 have just been trolling you guys. I can't believe how long I've been able to fool you.

[Not Sure]

39. Sorry

I would sooner stay home than vote for another weathervane. If she is to win, it will be without my vote. Won't get fooled again.

[William769]

40. Ain't that the truth!

[Starry Messenger]

44. k&r

[NCTraveler]

49. Would be beautiful to have such an opportunity on Election Day. Nt

[MADem]

51. KICK-n-REC!!!!

iSí, se puede!

[okasha]

75. ¡Juntos podemos!

¡Viva nuestra Hillary!

¡Viva el partido democrata!

[MADem]

76. ++++++++++++++1!!!!! nt

[ronnykmarshall]

52. Me too!

I love it!

[enid602]

55. holder

I'm all in for a Clinton Castro ticket, but still harbor some hope for a Clinton Holder ticket. Hope against hope.

[stranger81]

64. Hillary is not my favorite choice, but

that is a stunning picture of her at the bottom of the OP. Beautiful!

[WillyT]

67. Would Be Perfect... For Dancing With The Stars...

[ronnykmarshall]

69. Oh that's so cute .....

I love how you keep adding the pile up of childish Hillary bashers.

You might get a gold star for spewing the best of the week.

[WillyT]

70. Looking Forward To It... Thanks For Highlighting The Post !!!

[99Forever]

73. ...

[oasis]

74. Estoy Contigo

[Laffy Kat]

77. I'm all about Bernie for the Primary..

But would sooooo support this ticket, too. I'm easy.

[ucrdem]

78. I'd like to see Bill up there but this is definitely a winning ticket.

[MADem]

97. Bill will be up there, soon enough!

First Big Dawg!

[ucrdem]

152. First Dawg, lol.

I think it would help. Veep is out, but Julian looks young enough to be their son and every boy needs a dad LOL. I kid but perception counts and I think having Bill along would make the ticket sit right with more voters. After Nov. 8 is another question but I think AG would be perfect for Bill if he's up for it.

[MADem]

158. Or "First Ladies' Man!"

Bill does have an eye for the ladies, and they enjoy flirting with him too--his wife has said he was a hard dawg to keep on the porch, but they've made peace with all that. I think he's slowed down in his old age, and is probably living on memories and reputation, but he still has tremendous capacity to charm. I think he will be an incredible asset to the WH in that "traditional" role as First Spouse, because he has the experience of having been lead dog previously. He can take the whole "Special Envoy" aura to a new level, because of his past experience--his effectiveness will be unsurpassed.

Bill doesn't have a law license anymore, I don't think--and the AG, once named, is "divorced" from the POTUS--the POTUS can't tell the AG how to interpret the law. The WH has their own attorneys for this reason, who serve as advocates for the executive branch. I don't think Bill should have a more formal role than First Fellow, and he may want to continue to do some foundation work, too (which, given his nature and his enjoyment of long workdays, wouldn't be surprising).

Obama looked like a little kid in his dad's suit when he was running in '08! People were still willing to take a chance on him--and that's a good thing.

[cosmicone]

103. Estoy con ellos

La experiencia, inteligencia , competencia y carisma.

Vivan Hillary y Julian !!!!!!!!!!!

[DCBob]

109. Mi tambien!

[Vattel]

105. Ella no esta conmigo y tampoco esta con mis hermanos y hermanas de Latinoamerica.

(Sorry, my keyboard is not set up for accent marks.

[cosmicone]

112. Impresionante!!

Es asombroso que puede representar a todos los latinos aquí . Usted debe ser un hombre poderoso o simplemente una persona agria.

[Vattel]

114. What makes you think I tried to represent all Latinos?

My claim was that Clinton isn't with Latinos. That is my own opinion. I wasn't speaking for others.

[cosmicone]

115. Si, pero...

usted ha hablado de sus hermanos y hermanas de América Latina .. el texto significa "hombres y mujeres" de América Latina .

[Vattel]

117. Speaking about them is not the same as speaking for them. Geez.

[DCBob]

107. They look great together!

No doubt in my mind they are going to win this thing!

[McCamy Taylor]

145. They are unbeatable in the general. That's why the RNC is so desperate to knock them out in the

primary. But it ain't happening. Sure lots of anonymous folks with names like Dem4Ever and Liberal4Ever and Blue4Ever keep trying to tell us that we are DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED....

...but how many party leaders and union leaders and people in the know do you see paying attention to all these clamoring self described Liberal Dems? That's right. None of them. If you don't believe me, go ask Al Franken why he still supports Clinton. Go ask Dean. Go ask Sheila Jackson Lee.

Or, you could just pretend that these are "third wayers."

[riversedge]

155. I so tire of the

phase '3rd way" Hillary is her own woman--strong and intelligent.

[Motown_Johnny]

121. Castro isn't even running, and Hillary would add nothing to his ticket anyways.

[McCamy Taylor]

143. All my hearts belong to Hillary and Julian

[PowerToThePeople]

154. Please use terms that my autotrash filters will pick up on

Most terms/names related to Clinton will do.

Thank you.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

168. Looks like a ticket on the 3rd Way NeoLib Express with an overloaded baggage car.