Biden is going to run...

[berni_mccoy]

I suspect he knows that something is going to come out of the Clinton email issue. MSNBC is speculating it has to deal with the fact that a CIA operative's cover was blown as the result of the emails. If this is the case, it may be that Biden knows the FBI has something that will criminally indict Clinton and he is going to announce now before it becomes public so it doesn't look like he got in the race after the issue broke.

[BootinUp]

1. You are behind the news cycle friend.

CIA has already debunked that nonsense.

[CajunBlazer]

3. Yep Big Time, a Republican Representative chastizing another for putting out BS

I'll see if I can locate the letter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Here it is

[peacebird]

24. Wow. Repubs manufacturing evidence, somehow this isn't illegal?? There should be charges filed

Against him for this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. It's also a violation of the law or at least its spirit

It's also a violation of the law or at least its spirit to have ex parte interviews with witnesses but that hasn't stopped the Republicans on the Benghazi Committee from doing just that...

It's partisan malfeasance.

[brush]

20. Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the Benghazi committee has also . . .

exposed Gowdy's underhanded redacting of emails to make it seem SOS Clinton outed a covert operative.

If anything is going to come of this it's Gowdy being in big trouble.

[Cal33]

42. Does "Freedom of Speech" really allow deliberate lies told to harm and damage another person for

whatever reason? I don't think our Constitution and its Amendments would allow any such thing.

The Justice Department should really follow up on this case -- and prosecute. This Republican
B.S. has got to be stopped -- once and for all. Their proven deliberate and pathological liars must
be prosecuted!

[CajunBlazer]

52. Yea, but libel and slander are civil offenses, and

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if you are "public figure" like Hillary, when those offenses are committed against you, they are more difficult to prove - you have to prove "malice". That might be possible here, but rarely are lies in politics contested in court, except in the court of public opinion. Nothing of a legal nature will result here.

[Cal33]

57. Thanks for the info.

[brooklynite]

2. You lost me with the conspiracy theory in the first sentence...

...and no, he's not going to run.

[berni_mccoy]

8. If it's a conspiracy theory, then it's one the MSM is reporting.

This was reported on MSNBC this morning.

[leftofcool]

4. No, he probably will not.

But, he is welcome if he decides to.

[Agschmid]

5. He is going to run...

But you should edit out the disproven conspiracy theory because that isn't the reason.

[berni_mccoy]

6. This was reported on MSNBC.

[Agschmid]

9. Yes as false.

Try google.

[berni_mccoy]

12. They called it a Republican "claim". And an open dispute between Gowdy and the Administration

but they didn't call it a conspiracy theory...

[Agschmid]

13. And do you believe every republican claim?

If so I suggest you don't...

And to think some people think the media is in the bag for Hillary Clinton, clearly it's not.

[berni_mccoy]

14. Of course not. I suspect it is bunk as many here say. But that is what was reported.

And it was reported that Biden isn't going to wait to announce any longer since the hearing is on Thursday. Otherwise he'd look like he was calculating his run based on the scandal. Which is ironic since that's what they are now reporting lol.

[Agschmid]

15. I also think I Biden will run...

But give stuff a google before you post it, just to check.

[berni_mccoy]

17. This has nothing to do with what I think about the situation or any candidate...

You are simply angry at the messenger.

[Agschmid]

18. Nope I'm not angry.

[brush]

21. Well if the messenger posts bogus info . . .

[NCTraveler]

41. When the messenger is promoting false Gowdy claims over that of a progressive.....

on what should be a progressive board. Yeah. It gets under the skin a little.

[NCTraveler]

39. I love that you are holding out hope for Gowdy.

It would be pretty funny if you were attempting sarcasm or irony. Frightening that you are seriously laying this out as you are.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. You're right...it is a false claim and unfair to pin that on Hillary. Us Bernie supporters should not reinforce false stories...

There's plenty of positive reasons to promote Bernie for President.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. When all you have is a hammer the whole world looks like a nail.

eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. That calumny has been debunked

MSNBC is speculating it has to deal with the fact that a CIA operative's cover was blown as the result of the emails.

That calumny has been debunked:


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/18/1434647/-Rep-Cummings-Gowdy-altered-documents-in-order-to-make-false-allegations-against-Clinton


and I would elaborate on my contempt for those who continue to spread it but my detractors on this board would use the jury system to hide it and quiet me.

[Mike Nelson]

16. MSNBC is now as good as FOX in...

...the creation of fake stories.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. I gave up on MSNBC a long time ago.

[NCTraveler]

19. You are promoting a right wing conspiracy.

You aren't even discussing it in the manner it was on MSNBC. You are carrying the water for Gowdy and his crazy crew. You have been educated on this by duets from both camps. Really really shady shit you are doing here.

[fadedrose]

22. I hope he does

or we're sunk...

The Republicans have been suspiciously kind to Hillary and I think it's because they WANT her to be the nominee. The "email whistleblowers" was a ploy to clear H's name in the Benghazi disaster.

She has a lot of baggage, White Water, Foster, FBI investigations during Bill's first term, and there's Bill's lady friends (check Google, they list at least 10, some phoney, some not), Glasso--Steagall, Nafta, and who knows what else their investigators have found, probably something to do with fund raising.

They will go through all the baggage, and though I don't know which charges are real, there are some real and when you mix them will lies, it's going to be a tough battle.

They want her to be the nominee and that's why they're telling us how she'll beat Trump, etc. When they're done with her and Bill, they won't have a chance.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Yet the polls, history, the betting markets, and the predictions market show she is excellent shape.

http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016president


http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner


I will be the first person to concede that the cumulative weight of the head to head polls, who voters think will win, the betting and predictions markets are not dispositive, but do they do carry more weight than the opinion of this person or that person, who is consciously or unconsciously laboring under their own biases and prejudices.

[fadedrose]

33. The polls now don't count

They count after the General Election. And that's when the Reps will spend millions and they will play dirty.

It's not me that has anything they could use - it's Yahoo, Google, DuckduckGo, and every other search engine and their snoopers.

You're suspicious of my prejudices or biases, but they are nothing compared to the republicans...they broke Kerry - swiftboaters, Dukakis, - let a criminal out of jail; made Mondale cry; almost got Obama because of his preacher, a mortgage,his birthplace, and all of these matters are really nothing to have kept them out of office.

Can't think of the Rep. campaign guy who did Bush's bloody work, some blond guy, Texas, I think...he is nasty, short, kind of chunky, and last time I saw him on TV he was somewhere dancing, much nastier than me. (Larry something?, maybe not)

Thank you for your diplomatic response. I can always count on you for your polite, reasoned well-thought out comments.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. You are welcome...You might be in a minority when you suggest I am polite though.

Have a terrific week!!!

[fadedrose]

37. I don't know why

but I love you, it must be your nick.

[Tipperary]

25. I just do not believe all this CIA nonsense, but I do think he is going to run.

I guess we will see soon enough.

[bowens43]

27. the clinton email issue is just one small piece of dirty laundry

from an over flowing hamper....the republicans have been preparing for hillary for decades. Hillary is one of the least trustworthy politicians this country has ever seen and the shit will hit the fan, let's just hope it is before the general election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. It is sad but not unexpected that some people would foist a calumny

the clinton email issue is just one small piece of dirty laundryfrom an over flowing hamper....the republicans have been preparing for hillary for decades. Hillary is one of the least trustworthy politicians this country has ever seen and the shit will hit the fan, let's just hope it is before the general election.

It is sad but not unexpected that some people would foist a calumny against a public servant with a forty plus year commitment to progressive values.

[fadedrose]

35. And they are saving it up

till she captures the nomination....I bet they can't wait.

Every bag of garbage will be emptied

They are nasty, but not dumb.

[brush]

45. They must be really scared of her because this whole email "scandal" is just the kind of . . .

opposition research you save for the campaign.

It's pretty evident they don't want Hillary to even get to the GE campaign.

[fadedrose]

48. Two republicans came out and said

that the committee is a plan to attack Clinton.

That just took the punch out of the committee, and even Bernie said forget the damn emails. Hillary supporters are not worried about the emails.

The heavy ammunition will not be used unless she gets the nomination.

And for what harm those cockroaches will do, I wonder if it's worth it for her to run...

I remember what they did to Kerry..

[workinclasszero]

40. Sure lets not support Hillary because republicans don't like her

Do you see anything wrong with that? SMH

You think the teahaddists don't have any ammo ready and waiting for Bernie!? OMG!

[brush]

49. Yep! You know they do.

And did you see that story this morning that some repug is already talking about impeaching Hillary on her first day if she wins the presidency?

It'll be just like that disgusting group of repugs that hatched their plot to obstruct Obama on the very day of his inauguration.

If Bernie wins they'll have plans to obstruct his every step too, and try to impeach him as well for some reason they'll cook up.

It's become standard operating procedure for repugs when there is a dem president — starting with how the Reagan camp committed actual treason by negotiating with the Iranians to hold off on releasing the hostages until Reagan was in office. If the hostages had been released before the election, Carter most likely would have won a second term.

And we know how Whitewater, after many months and millions spent and nothing found morphed into the "Lewinsky" scandal against the Big Dawg.

[still_one]

31. He probably will, but not for the reason you gave, which have been refuted as lies of the

republicans by the FBI and other members on that Kangaroo Court.

I think that Biden's thought process in "should I or shouldn't I run", is flawed. In fact to me it highlights just at how unPresidential he is.

If it is taking him this long to decide, then he isn't in there to win, and just in there to allow his advisors to continue to receive their salaries on his campaign for as long as they can keep this gig going.

It doesn't take a crystal ball to see regardless of what Biden does, the Democratic primary is between Hillary and Bernie, and Biden brings NOTHING to the party. Biden, the person who thought we shouldn't go into Pakistan after bin Laden without working with the Pakistan government, who has been giving sanctuary to bin Laden all these years

[shockey80]

32. biden

I'm starting to believe he will not run. I think he knows it will be tough to beat hillary.

[workinclasszero]

36. This republican BS has already been debunked

You might want to delete your post now

[berni_mccoy]

53. Why would I do that?

[fadedrose]

38. Nothing will come out

They want Hillary to win the nomination. They can't wait.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. He's sees an opening. Hillary is a weak centrist candidate.

He could be a stronger centrist candidate with less baggage.

[Tarc]

44. The "CIA operative's cover was blown as the result of the emails" lie, still?

The credibility of the Republican-led Benghazi committee came under fresh attack Sunday after the CIA informed the panel that it does not view a 2011 email forwarded by then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as including any classified information. The committee chairman, Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., had cited Clinton’s handling of the March 18, 2011, email as a prime example of her misusing her private email server to receive and send highly classified information.

- https://www.yahoo.com/politics/cia-shrugs-off-clinton-s-1281399243022390.html

[cwydro]

46. I think he's going to run.

He just needs to stop playing coy.

I'm still on the fence, and I like Biden - so I hope he does.

But this dancing around is becoming boring.

[Romulox]

47. I think he is going to run, too. The fear from Camp Clinton is palpable. nt

[CajunBlazer]

55. I fear that if he runs, he is going to lose...... yet again

He's a good man and I don't want to see him go out that way.

But he is going to lose if he gets in the race and when he does he will back Hillary, count on it.

[olddots]

50. does ge have running shoes and proper running attire ?

[CrispyQ]

51. "...a CIA operative's cover was blown as the result of ..."

Not saying this story about HRC is true, but gee, where have I heard this before? "...a CIA operative's cover was blown as the result of ..." Why does the Bush admin get a pass but Clinton does not? Oh yeah, that's right, IOKIYR.

[RBInMaine]

54. Will this irrational nonsense ever end? Clinton indicted? Please, come down to the planet Earth.

[Kang Colby]

56. I respect Joe.

But considering Obama has all but stopped letting Joe speak in public as of about 2009 or 2010, that should tell you something about his odds against HRC. He doesn't need that kind of embarrassment ruining his political legacy.