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JTShroyer

(246 posts)
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:21 AM Oct 2015

Bill and Hillary Clinton: The Greatest Political Couple of a Lifetime



The greatest political couple of my lifetime, and certainly the greatest in United States political history since Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt and before then since John and Abigail Adams.

Both are brilliant and ever dedicated to public service, and neither was “to the manner born” as were political families like the Adamses, the Roosevelts, the Kennedys and the Bushes. Nor was either a product of a cheering media, such as was the made-by-the-Right grade-B Hollywood actor Ronald Reagan.

And Bill got to the White House detested by the press and pundit classes–in short, he got there in spite of them, rather than because of them. And nobody ever could handle a political crowd or any individual more effortlessly than him–he was, and remains, the platinum politician of my lifetime.

When the Clinton Global Initiative and its attending Foundation became forces on an international scale with greater significance than even the Nobel Foundation and the United Nations, the press and pundit classes became spit jealous–because none of their anointed darlings, such as members of the Bush family–could ever have had such lasting achievements. With the 24/7 anti-Clinton invective of the press and pundit classes, accusing the Clintons of anything and everything, through silly impeachment charges through influence peddling and premeditated murder–both Bill and Hillary remain survivors of it all.

When Hillary declared formally this past April, everyone who was anyone in the Democratic Party knew that she was going to be the heavy favorite for the nomination. She had more than PAID HER DUES. She was the runner-up for the Democratic nomination in 2008, and lost by just a scant less than 42,000 votes (with her tallies in Michigan and Florida not being counted)–with now Vice President Biden being nowhere near that finish line. Then she brought her forces to work on behalf of electing as President her chief rival Barack Obama, who then offered her the highest of all possible cabinet positions (much higher than the role of a Vice President, whose function is essentially a seat-filler, which is why very few have gone on to win independently of the President they represent) as Secretary of State.

In that role, she performed brilliantly–through restoring diplomacy tarnished almost irreparably after the Bush years, to the capture of Bin Laden under Obama’s aegis–and through it all, even through the tragedy at Benghazi, she held very high marks with the consensus of the American People. No one then cared anything about how she handled her E-mails.

She came to this campaign as the only game in town. The GOP Congress, the press and pundit classes knew they had to destroy her, otherwise no member of the GOP Clown car could succeed. They knew they would need to stir up her left flank, and so the “feel the Bern” movement was born, by way of Republican operatives working through progressive websites such as this one (this is not in reference to the Democratic Underground). Thus, with Senator Sanders now leading in New Hampshire and closing in in Iowa, and with their 24/7 attacks on her from congressional committees with unlimited government money at their disposal, inventing an “E-mail scandal” when there isn’t any, these forces feel certain that they have already destroyed Hillary.

But little do they know the Clinton resolve. She, like her husband before her, will be there “after the last dog dies.” If I had to bet against any pollster, and press or pundit class member, or even, if they are so foolish, New Hampshire and Iowa early voters in the Sanders camp, I would still take my odds with the Clintons. Bill Clinton didn’t need either Iowa or New Hampshire to become United States President. And neither will Hillary.

I’m betting that the state that first says yes to Hillary and no to Sanders will be the state that first gets it right. Because I have no doubt, in spite of the press and pundits and pollsters and websites like this one [this is not in reference to the Democratic Underground] largely spitting on Hillary every day, that it is she who will be the Democratic nominee, and she who will became our first woman President.

And like her husband before her, IN SPITE OF THE PRESS AND PUNDIT CLASSES, and maybe also in spite of early primary and caucus results, because she has the unique Clinton determination.

Because unlike the press and pundit classes and congressional committees and wildly bizarre Sanders supporters cheering on her demise, she really will be there–like 2008–“until the last dog dies.” But unlike 2008, with no rival like the spectacular now President Obama, this time she will emerge victorious.

I’m just waiting for the first state to get to report that it was the first to appear in her column–giving rise to the first woman President of the United States. And whether that is neither New Hampshire nor even Iowa doesn’t matter. The state that first calls it for her will be the state that got it right.

SOURCE



Caption: Bill and Hillary Clinton in Chicago celebrating a big win in the March 17, 1992 Illinois primary. Bill, then the governor of Arkansas, won Hillary’s home state with 51.65 percent of the vote. The same day, he won the Michigan primary with 50.73 percent of the vote.

I LOVE HILLARY'S FACE IN THIS PHOTO.
#HILLARY2016 #TEAMCLINTON

Don't believe what you just read? Well, with the focus on New Hampshire right now, let's do a little flashback 2008:
Hillary Rodham Clinton Upsets Barack Obama in New Hampshire











All 3 Clintons [Bill, Hillary, Chelsea] spent 7 days [1 week exactly] criss-crossing New Hampshire to pull off a huge upset against surging Barack Obama:

Donald Trump and Sarah Palin are pure stagecraft. But they aren’t smart. They just aren’t. But the Clintons. Man. Now THEY are both stagecraft *AND* smart. Brilliant people. Really. And they play to win.

And finally, they can now adopt all the progressive positions needed to steer the United States through the 21st Century. And if we’ve learned anything from the Clintons in the last 30 years, it’s that you want them fighting for you.

Hillary’s plans are the most comprehensive and progressive of any 2016 candidate to date.

But what I love about the Clintons is…

They are STAGECRAFT AT ITS FINEST. The whole package. Hillary’s New Hampshire victory speech proves it. If let back in the White House, the Clintons will finally dismantle the GOP.

Get ready to rumble, Bernie!!



Hillary Rodham Clinton:
“I come tonight with a very, very full heart. And I want especially to thank New Hampshire. Over the last week, I listened to you and, in the process, I found my own voice.”

(APPLAUSE, WHISTLING, CHANTING)

“I felt like we all spoke from our hearts, and I am so gratified that you responded. Now, together, let’s give America the kind of comeback that New Hampshire has just given me!!!”

(APPLAUSE, WHISTLING, CHANTING)



Source: http://hillaryisaboss.tumblr.com
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Bill and Hillary Clinton: The Greatest Political Couple of a Lifetime (Original Post) JTShroyer Oct 2015 OP
"Republican operatives working through progressive websites such as this one"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1
It was posted on a different site as a comment JTShroyer Oct 2015 #2
You brought it here and cited it as fact, you need to back it up. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #3
I'm trying to edit my post JTShroyer Oct 2015 #4
Good enough. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #6
I like going into the fire JTShroyer Oct 2015 #7
Welcome to Hell's Kitchen then! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #8
Thanks!! JTShroyer Oct 2015 #9
Ignore people who think they can order you around by barking demands. boston bean Oct 2015 #5
haha JTShroyer Oct 2015 #10
Feel free to share this JTShroyer Oct 2015 #11
Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Bupkis FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #12
Yes, 25 Million jobs and the longest stretch of peace time. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #13
EXACTLY JaneyVee!! JTShroyer Oct 2015 #31
Yes, the Bill Clinton administration was good years in many areas, just think what could have been Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #14
Exactly JTShroyer Oct 2015 #16
Except, what, you were under the age of 10 TM99 Oct 2015 #52
Hillary never liked NAFTA -- Incomes rose at all levels in the 1990s JTShroyer Oct 2015 #62
Let's not forget GATT, NAFTA, MFN for China leftupnorth Oct 2015 #15
Let's not forget Commodities Futures Modernization Act which played a big part in the finanical Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #17
Yes! How foolish is it to trust these people? leftupnorth Oct 2015 #18
Clinton had the strongest post-war economy JTShroyer Oct 2015 #20
Temporarily while the slats sere being knocked out below the surface Armstead Oct 2015 #24
Nope JTShroyer Oct 2015 #43
What was the secret of success? Armstead Oct 2015 #49
They pretend like Bill had nothing to with 2007-2008 economic collapse. JRLeft Oct 2015 #51
In terms of a spouse following the other spouse's political successes, they are unmatched. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #19
This perfect describes your comment: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #44
Bill didn't even get 50% of the vote in 1992. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #21
If you look at exit polling, Ross Perot's vote was split 50% between Clinton and Bush JTShroyer Oct 2015 #25
I've always thought that FDR and Eleanor were tops. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #22
Ditto. n/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #33
Hillary talks about Eleanor in this quote here: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #57
This post FAR exceeds a copyright violation. 99Forever Oct 2015 #23
So now we're PROUD of being the consummate insiders?! **shakes head** reformist2 Oct 2015 #26
Hillary knows it takes $$$ to beat $$$ & has fought for unions & a higher minimum wage as NY Senator JTShroyer Oct 2015 #35
I disagree completely azmom Oct 2015 #27
Haters have been hating since the 1990s JTShroyer Oct 2015 #30
Don't fall into the trap of loving them, just because your enemies hate them. reformist2 Oct 2015 #37
Hey! Two can play at the pic game -- The Repubs hate the Clintons because they WIN JTShroyer Oct 2015 #40
OMG...LMAO!!!!! n/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #34
I dunno, I think Frank and Claire Underwood Ron Green Oct 2015 #28
Hyperbolic PR rubbish ibegurpard Oct 2015 #29
Look at Hillary's 2008 New Hampshire comeback if you want proof this isn't hyperbolic JTShroyer Oct 2015 #32
Not sure if that's a good thing... Maedhros Oct 2015 #36
Bernie is a cult of personality more than the Clintons IMO JTShroyer Oct 2015 #60
Bernie's support comes from the fact that he is directly addressing issues of great importance Maedhros Oct 2015 #61
Hillary has more total plans than Bernie and hers are more comprehensive JTShroyer Oct 2015 #63
Someone may have a problem with this pinebox Oct 2015 #38
But just think how remarkable of a story it will be if Hillary Clinton becomes President in 2016: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #41
C'mon, what you've written is ridiculous. nsd Oct 2015 #67
Right. But what other couple will ever be this close to getting to the top twice? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #68
Get ready to rumble, Bernie!! riversedge Oct 2015 #39
I love it, too!! JTShroyer Oct 2015 #42
I call Bill Clinton the Greatest Capitulator He did everything the Republicans wanted him to do and Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #45
Uh oh -- the same people that gave us Bush by voting Nader JTShroyer Oct 2015 #48
The people who gave us Bush Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #53
Wouldn't have even gotten to that point JTShroyer Oct 2015 #54
We will never know who actually won Florida Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #55
Right JTShroyer Oct 2015 #56
I stopped reading at “to the manner born." (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #46
You should always be open to new thoughts/ideas/perspectives: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #64
I honestly expected this to be from the onion, LOL, nt Logical Oct 2015 #47
Luckily, JTShroyer Oct 2015 #58
Wow WillyT Oct 2015 #50
What's that face about? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #59
probably can't believe ibegurpard Oct 2015 #65
"That hurts my feelings. But I'll try to go on." -Hillary Rodham Clinton JTShroyer Oct 2015 #66

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
1. "Republican operatives working through progressive websites such as this one"?
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:26 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie supporters here are paid by Republicans?

Where's your proof?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. You brought it here and cited it as fact, you need to back it up.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:29 AM
Oct 2015

Mindlessly copying and pasting crap from kos diaries isn't proof.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
4. I'm trying to edit my post
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:32 AM
Oct 2015

That comment was not in reference to the Democratic Underground and I'm trying to edit my post to make that clear.

I listed a SOURCE for this post because it is NOT in direct reference to the Democratic Underground. Please stop misrepresenting my post after I have clarified it to you. THANK YOU.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. Good enough.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:36 AM
Oct 2015

Conspiracy theories like that don't go over well in GDP.

You might want to try posting in the HRC group if you don't want to hear from people who disagree with your opinions.

boston bean

(36,217 posts)
5. Ignore people who think they can order you around by barking demands.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:33 AM
Oct 2015

Your post was great! Derailment is what it's called. Take one thing out of context and then harp on it and bang those drums until the point of the OP is lost.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
10. haha
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:41 AM
Oct 2015

Thanks for your support. That comment was not in reference to the Democratic Underground. Hope all is clarified!

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
12. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Bupkis
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:21 AM
Oct 2015

in regards to actual policy and the devestation that the Clinton brand of Neoliberalism has wrought upon the country and the planet.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
14. Yes, the Bill Clinton administration was good years in many areas, just think what could have been
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:46 AM
Oct 2015

Accomplished with a real working congress.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
16. Exactly
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015

Incomes rose at all levels during the 1990s. I have no doubt that Hillary will help American families as President in 2016.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
52. Except, what, you were under the age of 10
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:40 AM
Oct 2015

at the time?

No, sorry, you don't really know what was going on. For those at the top, yes, it was glorious just like the Reagan years were for those at the top. It is very similar to how it is now for those at the top under the Obama 'recovery'.

But the reality is NAFTA, an increase in the drug war and mass incarceration, welfare reform, horrid banking reform, the allowance of monopolization of the media, and so much more neoliberal bullshit that we are now 30 years later seeing the negative consequences thereof.

leftupnorth

(886 posts)
15. Let's not forget GATT, NAFTA, MFN for China
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:01 AM
Oct 2015

Kicking open the door for the destruction of the middle class by legalizing economic treason.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Let's not forget Commodities Futures Modernization Act which played a big part in the finanical
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:53 PM
Oct 2015

Crisis.

leftupnorth

(886 posts)
18. Yes! How foolish is it to trust these people?
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:08 PM
Oct 2015

To me, trust is earned and once broken, never to be given again.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
20. Clinton had the strongest post-war economy
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:49 PM
Oct 2015

During the 1990s incomes rose at all levels under the Clintons.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
24. Temporarily while the slats sere being knocked out below the surface
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:59 PM
Oct 2015

It was an irrational boom fueled by the emergence of New Technology.

But look at the cumulative damage that was being done, and the lies that were being sold back then (No more recessions ever in the New Economy. Call Centers will replace factory jobs. etc.).....It was an economic cocaine rush, and Bill Clinton was one of the pushers.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
43. Nope
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:06 PM
Oct 2015

The Clintons gave lots more support to American families during the 1990s, which helped our economy flourish. To simply say the Clintons success in the 1990s is solely because of the dot.com boom is simplistic. Yes, it was part of the reason, but it was far from all of the reason.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
49. What was the secret of success?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:27 AM
Oct 2015

Free Trade? Deregulation? Privatization? Welfare deform? Alan Greenspan?

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
51. They pretend like Bill had nothing to with 2007-2008 economic collapse.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:33 AM
Oct 2015

Bill, Ronald, HW, and Dubya all played a role in the collapse.

aikoaiko

(34,154 posts)
19. In terms of a spouse following the other spouse's political successes, they are unmatched.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:11 PM
Oct 2015

And their ability to help one another achieve those successes -- they are a very impressive couple.

It will be interesting to see if Michelle will get the bug after 2016.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
21. Bill didn't even get 50% of the vote in 1992.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:52 PM
Oct 2015

It seems like everyone here keeps forgetting about Ross Perot.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
25. If you look at exit polling, Ross Perot's vote was split 50% between Clinton and Bush
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 05:24 PM
Oct 2015

Check yo facts! Rachel Maddow did an entire segment on this!

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
57. Hillary talks about Eleanor in this quote here:
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:05 PM
Oct 2015

“I’m not going to mislead anybody. Politics is really hard. And it is harder for women. There’s a double standard, and you can’t complain about it. You just have to accept it, and be smart enough to navigate it. And you have to have a pretty tough skin. To paraphrase a favorite quote from Eleanor Roosevelt: If a woman wants to be in politics, she has to have the skin of a rhinoceros. So occasionally I’ll be sitting somewhere and I’ll be listening to someone perhaps not saying the kindest things about me. And I’ll look down at my hand and I’ll sort of pinch my skin to make sure it still has the requisite thickness I know Eleanor Roosevelt expects me to have.”
–Hillary Rodham Clinton

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
35. Hillary knows it takes $$$ to beat $$$ & has fought for unions & a higher minimum wage as NY Senator
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 06:03 PM
Oct 2015

She represented Wall St. as NY Senator and they know the economy does better at ALL levels when the Clintons are in power. Incomes rose at ALL levels during the 1990s.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
61. Bernie's support comes from the fact that he is directly addressing issues of great importance
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:56 PM
Oct 2015

to liberals and progressives, who have been waiting literally DECADES for a Presidential candidate to talk about them.

Hillary's support is all about identity politics.

Sorry, but you have to go to the ignore list now.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
41. But just think how remarkable of a story it will be if Hillary Clinton becomes President in 2016:
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:14 PM
Oct 2015

Two people who both had the right combination of what it takes to be President of the United States found and married each other. Just think about that for a moment.

What are the odds? What are the chances? Has it ever happened before in human history? Will it ever happen again?

Both Bill and Hillary were not born into financially well-off families, nor politically connected families. Together, they built the Clinton name from scratch using only their natural given talent, intelligence, and determination.

This is already the most remarkable story of any couple in history. In 2016, let’s make it that much more remarkable.



#teamCLINTON

nsd

(2,406 posts)
67. C'mon, what you've written is ridiculous.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:05 AM
Oct 2015

There is not any gene that makes someone presidential material.

Personal qualities are important, to be sure, but so are money, connections, work, and chance. Especially chance. Obama is president today, but given a slightly different hand, he'd be an Illinois state senator or a University of Chicago professor. Similarly, it's easy to imagine that Hillary Clinton would today be a partner at a law firm in Little Rock, Arkansas. Or, if she hadn't met Bill, maybe it would be New Haven, CT.

They are not special people. And this is not f**king North Korea. We do not worship politicians.



JTShroyer

(246 posts)
68. Right. But what other couple will ever be this close to getting to the top twice?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:39 AM
Oct 2015

Will it ever happen again in human history?

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
45. I call Bill Clinton the Greatest Capitulator He did everything the Republicans wanted him to do and
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:56 PM
Oct 2015

nothing the people wanted, Hilliary will double down on the capitulating.

That is what happens when you support the Capitulating Clintons.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
48. Uh oh -- the same people that gave us Bush by voting Nader
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:11 AM
Oct 2015

are going to weaken us against whichever GOP candidate is in the general election.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
53. The people who gave us Bush
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:00 AM
Oct 2015

were Bush's governor brother, Bush's campaign co-chair who was also in charge of counting the votes in Florida, the disruption of vote-counting in Miami-Dade and elsewhere by Republican operatives, the delay tactics by a Florida judge who ordered truckloads of ballots sent to Tallahassee but who had no intention of examining them, and last, but certainly not least---

The 5 Supreme Court "justices" who voted in favor of Bush, including Cheney's duck-hunting buddy Antonin Scalia (who had been appointed to the Court when Bush's father was Vice President), and Sandra Day O'Connor, who could not hide her displeasure at the thought of a Gore victory.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
54. Wouldn't have even gotten to that point
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:31 AM
Oct 2015

if the left hadn't been riding the 1990s Clinton high and thought it OK to turn their backs on them for Nader because they thought there was no way Gore would lose to idiot Bush. Well guess what happened.

If only a fraction of the Nader supporters had gone for Gore in Florida, it would have been a clear Gore victory.

But please, left-wing, keep making Hillary weaker for the general election. It's what the Repubs want (again)!

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
55. We will never know who actually won Florida
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:08 AM
Oct 2015

because Bush's campaign co-chair stopped the vote counting when her guy was ahead, and the US Supreme Court upheld that action.

It was obvious that the fix was in. You are trying to deflect the blame from where it actually lies-- the coordinated actions of numerous players to ensure that Gore did not win Florida.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
56. Right
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 03:04 PM
Oct 2015

But if even a fraction of voters Nader voters had gone for Gore in Florida, it wouldn't have been a toss-up to begin with. That's the point. The left-wing blew it by turning their backs on the Clintons (Bill's VP Al Gore) and voting for Nader instead. Thanks to the left-wing liberals, we had Bush in there after 9/11. Oh, and just think how much further along we would be on global warming if Gore had been in the White House since 2000. Our country would be in amazing shape right now. But NOOO. We had to thumb our noses at the Clintons.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
64. You should always be open to new thoughts/ideas/perspectives:
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:58 PM
Oct 2015

Bill and Hillary aren't 100% evil. Y'all act like they are Republicans. Jesus.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
65. probably can't believe
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:02 PM
Oct 2015

You take us all for the same kind of ignorant rubes that lap up People Magazine Online. You're not swimming in the kiddie pool comrade..

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